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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1101585#msg1101585
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 04:43:55 pm »
just out of curiosity, you say there's SoB/SoFree based bronze grinders. Where the heck are they? If they're even faster than this and also have a high winrate, I wanna see/test them.

The things I was talking about are in the arena stats thread, and that thread's most recent update included adding special spins per hour so you should be able to see the various things pretty easily. Nothing else has had this win rate (though I still don't think it'll remain at 99% after more tests), but a couple (shard-reliant) things had a higher SSPH due to being faster.

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105560#msg1105560
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2013, 06:34:22 pm »
can someone unfamiliar with this deck do a few test runs on it before I pay for it? Looks like exactly what I need and I'm about halfway there. :)

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105567#msg1105567
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2013, 07:09:56 pm »
can someone unfamiliar with this deck do a few test runs on it before I pay for it? Looks like exactly what I need and I'm about halfway there. :)

First time trying FEVER out today - it worked well.  MA is beatable and it can get past most everything.  I did lose to a mono-death spamming x5 Bonewall so if you encounter lots of poison one day, sub a Purify in somewhere.  Also, be ready to lose some early on as you get accustomed to a skill-required deck such as this rainbow.
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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105570#msg1105570
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2013, 07:31:56 pm »
Also, be ready to lose some early on as you get accustomed to a skill-required deck such as this rainbow.

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105613#msg1105613
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2013, 11:05:09 pm »
but the deck works like magic: SPAM LE CREATURES AND KILL BIG CREATURES AND KILL SHIELDS KILL THEM ALL!!

ahem. there isn't much to this deck, strategy-wise? or am I wrong?

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105614#msg1105614
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2013, 11:13:31 pm »
Did you not read "Some random notes on the deck"? It may work to play greedilly, but don't expect to get a 95+% winrate playing like that

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105618#msg1105618
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2013, 11:20:04 pm »
The control is very limited (much moreso than most popular arena rainbows) and is very frequently a deciding factor in the match. I certainly don't personally consider this deck the most complicated thing ever, but I could very easily see poor control use causing a ~10% shift in win rate. It's not like the OTK gimmicks where playing the deck wrong is going to mean you lose basically every game, but playing this deck by just dumping every card you draw as soon as you draw it is going to cost you a lot of matches.

For example, blowing your thunderbolt on an early abomination instead of holding it in case they draw a maxwell's demon means you probably just lost, as does blowing your shockwave on an early toadfish instead of waiting for a squid. Deciding when you should play a discord overwriting your pulvy (or vice versa) or when you should blow your very limited amounts of PC popping early pillars are also concerns. Appropriately baiting mass-CC when you suspect it is definitely a win-or-lose trick (since RoF is a field clearer most of the time - do you want to lose everything or do you want to lose half a ulthiarid plus a giant frog), as is appropriately holding out for burst damage when their CC-on-a-stick makes it past your bolt/shockwave. On top of it all, a lot of these concerns are decisions you have to make in the first turn or two with little to no observation of what's actually in their deck, so knowing what sorts of things reach what level in bronze (and therefore being able to make an educated guess about how much control/defense/offense/etc you're facing before seeing much of the deck) is quite useful.

I am pretty confident that basically anyone at basically any skill level can maintain probably a ~90% win rate with this deck by just spamming every card as soon as they can play them, because it's still quite a strong deck (against bronze) more or less regardless of how it's played. However, playing mindlessly probably isn't going to get you into the ~95+% win rate range.

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105621#msg1105621
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2013, 11:25:15 pm »
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What CG stated is my intent from prior post.  Thanks for explaining it CG!
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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105628#msg1105628
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2013, 11:54:57 pm »
eh ok. I hold onto them spiders if I suspect if there's RoF, and I use pulvy if there's dim shield spam. The only decks that I've lost to were a couple of miracle decks and a firestall. :-[

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105717#msg1105717
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2013, 03:14:15 pm »
Thanks for all the replies.  I seem to have found a half-upped deck that's working well in silver and getting EMs at a decent rate so, I should be rocking FEVER soon :)

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105775#msg1105775
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2013, 09:38:54 pm »
Starting from about half upped, including 6 supernovas, what should be upped first? Creatures for more damage? Pillars for faster lays? It seems kind of pointless upgrading fogs, cc's and ulitharid, since the quanta isn't being drained from any source. Anyway, great deck, I've already gotten two shards!

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Re: FEVER - Farm Endless Very Easy Rares [Bronze][Upped][Shardless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51399.msg1105783#msg1105783
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2013, 10:25:07 pm »
Starting from about half upped, including 6 supernovas, what should be upped first? Creatures for more damage? Pillars for faster lays? It seems kind of pointless upgrading fogs, cc's and ulitharid, since the quanta isn't being drained from any source. Anyway, great deck, I've already gotten two shards!

Things I consider basically vital:
-QTs
-SNovas
-Hourglasses
-Charger
-Pulvy
-Most of the recluses/frogs (i.e. enough to actually still rush at a reasonable rate)

Things you can probably do without:
-Discord
-Explosion
-Lava Destroyer
-Ulitharid
-Crusader
-Fog Shields
-Shockwave
-Steal
-Thunderbolt

Recluses and frogs (and charger for that matter) should not be used unupped because they no longer have the same sort of rush potential. If you attempt the deck without those upped, substitute mummy for flesh recluse and psion for phase recluse. Frogs may want to be swapped to forest spectres, not really sure honestly.

Having ulitharid upped is actually extremely helpful in order to give it more survivability and the ability to soak CC, but it isn't vital. The support stuff that only improves in quanta cost by upgrading can work unupped, but speed is pretty much the key to this deck, so having to wait an extra turn to play things can be a game-changer. Mono dark with devourer spam is quite common in bronze as well, so being shorter on quanta is probably going to cost you some games.

Keep that being not fully upped is going to handicap your speed and overall profitability. It'll still definitely work (and undoubtedly spit out a lot of rares) as long as you have the basics upped, but you won't get the same results.

For other people who don't have anything upped and are looking for a totally unupped version of this deck, I recommend Antabow.

 

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