30-Card Anti-FG Rainbow with Otyugh and Butterfly, v1.22

[Wushu]

The 30 Card Deck

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Statistics- v1.22

30 Card Build: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=429842528 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=429842528)

Reference Decks

Scaredgirl's (almost) NON-UPGRADED False God Rainbow- http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html)
PuppyChow's FG Rainbow- http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html)
Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21)- http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4212.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4212.0.html)

These decks help define my own play style and were immensely helpful in understanding how and when to play against False Gods.  I highly recommend reading the information contained in these threads (and others in the Anti-False Gods section) in speeding up the learning curve for Elements.

Why this post on 30 Cards?
I wanted to document my own progression as an Elements player and have focused more on smaller decks to shorten the overall cycle time between each false god.

Deck strategy
This 30-card deck is built around stalling in order to setup for a protected ("quinted") Elite Otyugh.
Stalls: 3 SOGs, 1 Improved Antimatter, 1 Bone Wall, 1 Permafrost Shield, and 1 Fire Storm.
Protected creature control: 1 Elite Otyugh w/devour
Protected permanent control: 1 Elite Otyugh w/butterfly effect, or 1 Elite Skeleton from Graveyard w/butterfly effect
Protected damage output: 1 Elite Queen to generate Elite Fireflies in the end game
Protected permanent: 1 Eternity to prevent decking out
Quanta flow: removed 1 Quantum tower, and added 1  Gravity Tower

This deck either looks to use Supernovas to get an early Elite Otyugh or an Electrum Hourglass out.  The Eternity is used to prevent from decking out; but keep an eye on your  .  The deck is pretty small and you are Entropy marked, so  quanta management will critical in the endgame. 

Card strategy
Shard of Gratitude:  used to stall and heal yourself.  A guideline is to roll an SOG out around 10 damage a round.  If you are trying to build up quanta for a specific card like a permafrost shield, be careful when you play an SOG, because you might inadvertently steal quanta from that element.
Improved Antimatter: used to stall a single big creature and heal yourself.  I personally pick the largest non-growable attack creature (like a dragon) that has more than 3 health.  Otherwise your Fire Storm might wipe out the healing effect.
Shields: used to stall or protect yourself from damage.  Only 2 to work with so be prudent.
Fire Storm: used to clear creatures during a stall, or, save for use on big (>5 health) creatures to allow Elite Otyugh to devour right away


Thanks for looking...

[thekillergame]

The Deck

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Statistics- v1.22

Original Build: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2779773879 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2779773879)

Reference Decks

Scaredgirl's (almost) NON-UPGRADED False God Rainbow- http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html)
PuppyChow's FG Rainbow- http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html)
Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21)- http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4212.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4212.0.html)

These decks help define my own playstyle and were immensely helpful in understanding how and when to play against False Gods.  I highly recommend reading the information contained in these threads (and others in the Anti-False Gods section) in speeding up the learning curve for Elements.

Why the name Triple EQ?

The deck is based around 3 Elite Otyughs and 3 Quintessence; plus, it was the simplest name for me to remember.

Deck strategy

Like most rainbow decks, this 33-card deck is built around stalling in order to setup for a protected ("quinted") Elite Otyugh.
Stalls: 3 SOGs, 1 Improved Antimatter, 1 Bone Wall, 1 Permafrost Shield, and (potentially) 1 Fire Storm.
Protected creatures: 1 Elite Otyugh w/devour, 1 Elite Otyugh (or 1 Elite Skeleton) w/butterfly effect, 1 Elite Queen
Protected permanent: 1 Eternity (or sometimes 1 Permafrost Shield)
Damage: Elite Skeletons and Elite Fireflies in the end game

In general, the 1st "quinted" Elite Otyugh is for creature control.  The 2nd Elite Otyugh (or Elite Skeleton) should be hit with the Butterfly Effect and is for permanent control.  The Elite Queen generates Elite Fireflies for damage output. 

The Eternity is used to prevent from decking out; but keep an eye on your Time quanta.  The deck is pretty small and you are Entropy marked, so Time quanta management will critical in the endgame.  One example of Time quanta management is to NOT draw more cards from the Hourglass than you need, especially at the beginning of the game.

Thanks for looking...

i really like you're deck and I think that it would be nice if there were stats and BTW in elements EQ=earthquake.

[Wushu]

i really like you're deck and I think that it would be nice if there were stats and BTW in elements EQ=earthquake.

Stats are recorded here --> http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2779773879 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2779773879)
I only have about 30 games so far, but ~50% win/loss ratio.  What's strange about this small sample size is that I have beaten Rainbow twice and lost to Fire Queen twice.

Changed EQ to E+Q to avoid confusion with earthquake.

[thekillergame]

i really like you're deck and I think that it would be nice if there were stats and BTW in elements EQ=earthquake.

Stats are recorded here --> http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2779773879 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2779773879)
I only have about 30 games so far, but ~50% win/loss ratio.  What's strange about small sample size is that I have beaten Rainbow twice and lost to Fire Queen twice.

Changed EQ to E+Q to avoid confusion with earthquake.

OK

[finkel]

EDIT: There are quite a few gods that I just can't seem to win against with this deck. Dark matter, octane, and seism, just to name a few. It takes a while for this deck to get going (especially with only 2 otyughs and 1 ffq), and often-times the quanta is a bit short. I've yet to upgrade a few key cards such as the shield and bone wall, but still :\


Time pillar is working much better for me than gravity pillar, since I really can't stand decking out after getting total board control.

After switching gravity pillar out for time, I beat the 3 gods I'd just previously lost to due to decking out (elidnis, gemini, and neptune). It was a pleasant surprise to face the three gods I'd most recently lost to and beat them all with elemental mastery

I find that gravity quantum can be a problem, but time quanta always is if you get to the end of your deck and the opponent is still standing, especially since this deck doesn't have a druid to buff up the creatures (I much prefer it this way, games don't drag on forever, rarely have a board full of creatures, so less lag ^_^).

Lovin' butterfly effect and antimatter, they're both such lifesavers.

[Qohelet]

Decay is much more dangerous when your deck's quantum output is low - supernovas help only awhile. Deck out can be real issue, mid game become end (loss) game very fast. Adding few time towers don't help much against Decay or FG with good permanent control. Shard of Readiness (= broken card if you ask me) can be HUGE help => flying eternity + SoR + Quint, rewind one RoL forever for free. No need for time towers to avoid deck out.

So far 30 card deck is more or less 'oh well' -deck, you see very soon when you have reasonable change for win and when FG is insane good against your limited deck (ok, all deck's are always limited in many ways).

Personally I can't play without Jade Shield (maybe you don't see it in same light). I prefer full six supernovas (=> much less quantum towers) and other things like time towers to speedup deck -> some realiability for hourglasses and also help in later game IF you still have time towers. Rewind card is there for two reasons: if eternity is your last card you lose and when you already have eternity you have one really cheap rewind. Somebody may think why there is Pest, why just don't use another Otyugh? Reason is low  output, and one gravity tower is not that good idea (this means I can eat 5 more creatures).

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[Wushu]

Time pillar is working much better for me than gravity pillar, since I really can't stand decking out after getting total board control.

I find that the gravity tower works for me better -- mostly because I push hard for early creature control.  But I think that's a difference in playstyle; I am much more aggressive because I want to finish (win or lose) quickly with this deck.  I have a 33 card version of this deck which has 1 gravity and 1 time tower and find that it has more flexibility against FGs.

[Wushu]

So far 30 card deck is more or less 'oh well' -deck, you see very soon when you have reasonable change for win and when FG is insane good against your limited deck (ok, all deck's are always limited in many ways).

Actually, it was your stated focus on 30-card decks that led me to experiment with this one.  I wanted to see what would work for my playstyle as a diminished or "limited" rainbow deck.  I am kicking around with the idea of using precogs with more supernovas and less towers.

[finkel]

Wushu: there are many gods that I never win against, nor can I see any possible way of doing so, with your deck. Can you upload a video showing you fighting the harder/est gods and demonstrate the strategies you use? Any of the gods that spam black holes shut this deck down completely, since it often loses to bad draws and lack of quanta anyway, perm destruction is a big problem, and graviton looks to be completely impossible. You can't devour any of his creatures, his otyughs will devour any fireflies you play, all his creatures pretty much have momentum, and way too much health for you to try anything O.o

I've been losing to so many gods on such a regular basis with this deck. Help me out.

Here's the deck I'm using:

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[bigbadbanana]

In my opinion, you should take out the antimatter and put in a pest for butterfly effect. Also, you may want to swap the gravity tower with a time tower, it seems that with a 30 card deck, you may be very short on time quanta. You could possibly add in a steal, those help a whole bunch against FGs.

I haven't seen many thirty card rainbow that are this effective against Fgs in a while. Good Job!

[yaladilae]

Instead of waiting for a skelly to use butterfly on, why not put something in to use butterflly on, this way against eldnis etc will run better

[Wushu]

Wushu: there are many gods that I never win against, nor can I see any possible way of doing so, with your deck. Can you upload a video showing you fighting the harder/est gods and demonstrate the strategies you use? Any of the gods that spam black holes shut this deck down completely, since it often loses to bad draws and lack of quanta anyway, perm destruction is a big problem, and graviton looks to be completely impossible. You can't devour any of his creatures, his otyughs will devour any fireflies you play, all his creatures pretty much have momentum, and way too much health for you to try anything O.o

I've been losing to so many gods on such a regular basis with this deck. Help me out.

Here's the deck I'm using:

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I haven't built a FG by FG breakdown for this deck -- but certain FGs with permanent control or quanta control (like Dark Matter, Graviton, Hermes, and Incarnate) are near impossible to deal with unless you have a great draw AND they have a bad draw.  This deck is too small to recover from bad draws.  Again, this deck is meant to play relatively fast (win or lose).

I will state that you should have a reasonable shot at dealing with any FG with no, or limited, permanent control.  For instance, if you manage to butterfly an Otyugh early against Divine Glory and keep her to zero Fire Towers, you have a shot at defeating her, despite the multiple flying weapons (go, go Permafrost shield).  Moreover, FGs like Miracle, Ferox, Elidnis, or Neptune should give you a better than average chance to win.

As for your deck, unfortunately, I built this deck with fully upgraded cards.  For a 30-card deck against FGs, I think you need every bit of upgrade to help speed up the deck.  In most cases, the upgraded card is usually 1 quanta less in cost to bring out, and that makes a big difference.  Also, other upgraded cards become much more effective as soon as they are played, like an Elite Otyugh vs. a regular Otyugh.

It's been my experience that this (and other) decks tend to be streaky in their wins/losses.  One personal tactic of mine when I get beat too much by FGs is to switch over to an AI5 opponent after every FG loss.  Over ten matches it looks something like this: FG loss, AI5 win, FG win, FG loss, AI5 win, FG loss, AI5 win, FG win, FG loss, and AI5 win.  I have found this deck to be pretty good against AI5s as well.