Elements PvP Tournament - Suggestions and Feedback

[n00b]

Gave dd and n00b this idea too but I though of posting this to get feedback on it.
Basically I think that postponed tourneys that are running at that moment should become a mini-event during the week instead of basically postponing it.
I think this should be fair for those that won a match and will allow tourneys to go on their normal route.

I agree with this.
Because of that players with victories should also go straight to 2-nd round,to make fair for them.
Canceled Tournament should be at tuesday-wednesday.

One of the problems with this is that we have lives... all three of us have class/work that we need to deal with, and a lot of the times the tourneys are not at times that we'd normally be home. Another solution could be for us to schedule it for a time we know we'd be home, but then, because of our time zones, it'd always either be at an appealing Western time or Asian time. Besides, most of the time I'm on, I'm busy doing schoolwork, save weekends, which is when tourneys are.

-n00b

[Dm]

Tournaments should NOT be cancelled, over-all... it's what I think, at least.

If we need to get some kind of rule that cancelled tournaments "will be ran later at...", it means that it is common enough to be given a rule, and that's kind of a problem right there.

[whatifidogetcaught?]

Well, I understand the need for a TO to be there...but maybe the honor system could be in effect? Maybe the results wouldn't be 100% up to date all the time, but I'm sure free wins wouldn't just happen without your watch.

[Jen-i]

I enjoyed the concept for the last tourney "We're Only Human - Feb 16".

A few comments have been made regarding the legality of decks played in that tourney - I think part of the problem was some inconsistency in the way the rules were written.

In the OP of the tourney thread this rule is stated:
Each deck must contain at least four copies of male humanoids and four copies of female humanoids (8 cards total)

However in the FAQ the rule is modified to
The idea is that you have an equal amount of male and female creatures, so everyone (except dd) has a date on Valentine's Day :3

That is a small by significant difference - and because it wasn't stated clearly in the OP it can easily be missed in the FAQ (I know I did - I happened to see someone comment on it in chat that cause me to mod 2 of my decks which it affected).

In the OP of the tourney thread these three rules are stated:
1) The only creatures allowed are humanoid
2) All shields are banned
3) Rain of Fire, Ice Bolt, Fire Bolt, Poison, Drain Life, and their upgraded variants are banned

The FAQ then lists the banned cards - but only cards from rules #2 & #3 are listed - it was possible to miss the first rule in the OP (some players are more visual and use the card images as a comprehensive ban list)

Some of these inconsistencies have happened before - indeed Poison was originally missed from the ban list in this tourney (but was included in the banned card images) if a little more consistency could be brought to these details I think we'd see less of this sort of illegal deck play.

On the whole I'd like to thank our T.O.'s for the great job they do - I enjoyed the tourney. I was initially a little worried about a nymph heavy metagame (which I thought would preclude many newer players from joining), but was pleasantly surprised when deck building with the number of effective non-nymph decks that were available. Well done!

[Onizuka]

A ruling that awards a person who used an illegal deck the entire tourney with the reward for second place is just laughable.

-Strip reward of blarp, maybe original second place
-Force checking of decks from semifinals+
-Removal of rewards for people who don't notice an illegal deck, maybe a warning that leads to a future week ban if they keep not figuring it out.

[Marsu]

I agree with Oni, what happened today was ridicoulus. I don't see how it could struck anyones mind that blarp could be not fully disqualified.

I wrote this in the other thread already, it's like taking away the gold medal from Lance Armstrong for doping and then giving him the silver medal.

I still want to use this opportunity to thank Vineroz, he really spent much time trying to find a fair decision, and was even available for pm-discussion to explain his thoughts, something which not a lot "higher-ups" do, but is needed for the sake of this community.

[Dm]

A ruling that awards a person who used an illegal deck the entire tourney with the reward for second place is just laughable.

-Strip reward of blarp, maybe original second place
-Force checking of decks from semifinals+
-Removal of rewards for people who don't notice an illegal deck, maybe a warning that leads to a future week ban if they keep not figuring it out.

I agree with everything besides the lower one. Those that don't notice an illegal deck don't have anything to do with it. It's extremely easy to hide your illegal deck.
I do find it odd he still received his award, though.

[Calindu]

A ruling that awards a person who used an illegal deck the entire tourney with the reward for second place is just laughable.

-Strip reward of blarp, maybe original second place
-Force checking of decks from semifinals+
-Removal of rewards for people who don't notice an illegal deck, maybe a warning that leads to a future week ban if they keep not figuring it out.

Fully agree with Oni, winning a mark/nymph using only illegal decks is ridiculous, I still don't get how nobody noticed that blarp's deck was illegal.

[DANIEELA]

A ruling that awards a person who used an illegal deck the entire tourney with the reward for second place is just laughable.

-Strip reward of blarp, maybe original second place
-Force checking of decks from semifinals+
-Removal of rewards for people who don't notice an illegal deck, maybe a warning that leads to a future week ban if they keep not figuring it out.

Fully agree with Oni, winning a mark/nymph using only illegal decks is ridiculous, I still don't get how nobody noticed that blarp's deck was illegal.

I agree with all.TO should not give reward code earned with illegal decks.Why are rules then?For all or only for honourable players?

[ARTHANASIOS]

A ruling that awards a person who used an illegal deck the entire tourney with the reward for second place is just laughable.

-Strip reward of blarp, maybe original second place
-Force checking of decks from semifinals+
-Removal of rewards for people who don't notice an illegal deck, maybe a warning that leads to a future week ban if they keep not figuring it out.

I agree with Oni, what happened today was ridicoulus. I don't see how it could struck anyones mind that blarp could be not fully disqualified.

I wrote this in the other thread already, it's like taking away the gold medal from Lance Armstrong for doping and then giving him the silver medal.

I still want to use this opportunity to thank Vineroz, he really spent much time trying to find a fair decision, and was even available for pm-discussion to explain his thoughts, something which not a lot "higher-ups" do, but is needed for the sake of this community.

This two posts sum it up very well imo.

[rob77dp]

It seems to me that if I was not allowed *edit* the first place */edit* code in October 20, 2012 tourney (never lost a match, i.e. - made Final) for having to leave when the tourney went LONG and I had prior life obligations to attend, then illegal decks should be at least similarly stiff 'penalties'.  Refer here and view Challonge bracket at start of topic for making Finals (2-1 win in Semi's) yet receiving just the 4th place code...

[Zso_Zso]

The problem of illegal decks keeps popping up even though I do not think it is ever the case of intentional cheating, merely honest mistakes. The suggested solution of requirement to submit decks to TOs would put extra burden on the TOs to check those decks.

How about a different solution: adding a tool such as the deck image tool and Xeno's simulator to the forum that would check the validity of a given deck code against the current tournament rules ? Of course, the tool would need to be updated weekly for the actual rules/restrictions.

This way it would still be the responsibility of the players to play fair and check their decks, but mistakes could be easily avoided, plus then everyone could ask their opponent prior to battle: "did you verify your deck's validity with the tool?" just to remind them.

Such tool would still allow speed-building and tweaks between matches of a battle you just need to quickly re-submit the deck which would not take more than a few seconds.

We are all human and make mistakes, let the computer verify our decks for validity!