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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066427#msg1066427
« Reply #84 on: May 04, 2013, 05:08:42 pm »
Oh...lol.

I wonder if it is okay to argue against that position (for learning purposes only) or if the OP doesn't want us to do that.

@Neuro, may I argue against you position? as I learn quite a lot when I do debates on people.

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066548#msg1066548
« Reply #85 on: May 04, 2013, 09:37:48 pm »
At the moment, I'm only loosely following the conversation. It would take me a while to read up on all the quantum mechanic stuff, which I'll do at a later time. Feel free to continue the current discussion, just try to keep from derailing too much.
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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066606#msg1066606
« Reply #86 on: May 05, 2013, 12:39:30 am »
I truly, honestly believe that the universe was hatched out of a fate egg.

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066628#msg1066628
« Reply #87 on: May 05, 2013, 01:47:18 am »
Ok...moving on

So I win?

While miracles and extraordinary occurrences can't be explained by science merely, they explained science.
How so, while many believes the universe only centered around earth, Bible for example tells us clearly that God created the earth, put the starS in place, later proven to be true. While historians tell us it's impossible for sea to split, how did the evidence of chariots .... found underneath the red sea be explained?

If we can't explain something right now, it doesn't mean we won't be able to explain it in the future. This sort of "God of the gaps" argument is a fallacy, as explained by a quote in the Wikipedia article: "From a scientific viewpoint, God-of-the-gaps is viewed as the fallacy of claiming any gap in our scientific knowledge as evidence of God's action, as opposed to admitting that we do not currently have an answer or anticipating that, should an answer come, it will be a scientific one that leaves no role for God."

Or just look at this page: http://www.dctech.com/physics/notes/old/godofgap.php

I also believe God is Almighty (point 2)

Such a claim is not falsifiable, so it's pointless to debate about it in a scientific context.

I truly, honestly believe that the universe was hatched out of a fate egg.

Evidence?
To be or not to be, I can do both at once. Go learn quantum mechanics, n00b.

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066682#msg1066682
« Reply #88 on: May 05, 2013, 04:22:29 am »
Evidence?

One time, I played a fate egg and it hatched into a fractal, and the fractal said to me, "life is nothing but chemistry processing itself" and from that point on I was an atheist.

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066706#msg1066706
« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2013, 05:25:50 am »
Pics or it didn't happen.
To be or not to be, I can do both at once. Go learn quantum mechanics, n00b.

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066710#msg1066710
« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2013, 05:45:47 am »
Let's pretend the universe came from a fate egg. Where did the egg come from?

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066711#msg1066711
« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2013, 05:50:13 am »
Well I had 1 time quanta so I summoned it

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066712#msg1066712
« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2013, 06:00:04 am »
This is getting off topic lol

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066713#msg1066713
« Reply #93 on: May 05, 2013, 06:01:54 am »
Where did the Time quanta come from? And where did you come from?
To be or not to be, I can do both at once. Go learn quantum mechanics, n00b.

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066716#msg1066716
« Reply #94 on: May 05, 2013, 06:15:49 am »
Well I played a nova, and I came from my parents.

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Re: Origin of Creation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25724.msg1066724#msg1066724
« Reply #95 on: May 05, 2013, 06:43:52 am »
There are two different things described by the word 'Universe'.
The first - more frequently used by mathematicians than natural scientists, as far as I know - means, roughly, 'all that can be', including things that, for instance, are not considered within 'existence' (which is a proper subset of the Universe) at some specific point in time, but can exist, given a particular set of variables.
The second, sometimes called the 'observable universe', is the collection of everything that can be said to exist for a particular set of coordinates in the various dimensions.

Things may 'randomly, spontaneously pop into existence out of nothing' in the second sort of universe, but not the first.

I am talking about the physical universe, not some abstract concept. Also, be careful when you say "observable universe", because the observable universe is a subset of the entire universe. It is the part of the universe, with Earth at its center, that we're capable of observing, due to the limitation that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. See this if my explanation makes no sense.

The observable universe is a proper subset of the 'abstract concept' universe, as you put it. The observable universe cannot be considered a proper subset of the physical universe, but, rather, the entirety of the physical universe (for the corresponding observer), as no information can be conveyed to the observer from beyond the boundary.

I don't see what I need to be careful about, as your definition agrees with mine: the collection of everything that can be said to exist for a particular set of coordinates in the various dimensions (e.g. with observer being on Earth at time x).

Things that exist further down the time axis ('future') are not considered a part of the observable universe for the corresponding observer (i.e. 'does not exist'), but are considered part of what you call the 'abstract concept' universe.
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