Origin of Creation

[Furby]

Well...not necessarily.

Example: You accelerate a car to 100mph. From-->

T1-T2, car moves from 0 to 5mph.

T2-T3, car moves from 5-15mph

T3-T4, car moves from 15-50mph...by T5 you are at 100mph.

Now, what if some 'thing,' say God, gave a boost?

Another example: let's take the christian perspective at true for a moment. Maybe we are all changing as evolution teaches still, but God just made all animals and Humans same time?

[OldTrees]

@Furby
There is no valid usage of the word "evolution" that is related to the origin of life much less the origin of creation. Just like I can't say "Red Oranged the the Grt va." Evolution describes a model for how existing things can change. Hence existing things must already exist for the word evolution to be valid. It does not make any sense to talk about evolution in a discussion about the origin of creation/life.

[Bloodshadow]

Something can "come from nothing", you know, via quantum fluctuations. It's not impossible that the whole universe just randomly, spontaneously popped into existence, out of nothing.

Read The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking. The book may not necessarily be correct, but it should at least give you some ideas.

[OldTrees]

Something can "come from nothing", you know, via quantum fluctuations. It's not impossible that the whole universe just randomly, spontaneously popped into existence, out of nothing.

Read The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking. The book may not necessarily be correct, but it should at least give you some ideas.

I am not sure if Quantum_fluctuations are
a) something from nothing
b) discovering empty space is not nothing
c) updating the definition of the word nothing like they did with time
So Quantum_fluctuations might not be something from nothing the way the phrase is meant.

[Furby]

Something can "come from nothing", you know, via quantum fluctuations. It's not impossible that the whole universe just randomly, spontaneously popped into existence, out of nothing.

Read The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking. The book may not necessarily be correct, but it should at least give you some ideas.

I am not sure if Quantum_fluctuations are
a) something from nothing
b) discovering empty space is not nothing
c) updating the definition of the word nothing like they did with time
So Quantum_fluctuations might not be something from nothing the way the phrase is meant.

Correct

@ trees: I don't agree with the evolution statement...

God makes creation, say 6000 years ago. Let's it run as if he didn't exist. You would would still get the same result, assuming we don't argue over things like the flood.

[OldTrees]

@ trees: I don't agree with the evolution statement...

God makes creation, say 6000 years ago. Let's it run as if he didn't exist. You would would still get the same result, assuming we don't argue over things like the flood.

What part of the statement do you disagree with?
"Evolution is a process describing one way existing things can change. Since it requires existing things, it cannot happen until after the origin."

[Furby]

Must have misread...I am sorry. Now I see what you were trying to say.

[cometbah]

Something can "come from nothing", you know, via quantum fluctuations. It's not impossible that the whole universe just randomly, spontaneously popped into existence, out of nothing.

Read The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking. The book may not necessarily be correct, but it should at least give you some ideas.

There are two different things described by the word 'Universe'.
The first - more frequently used by mathematicians than natural scientists, as far as I know - means, roughly, 'all that can be', including things that, for instance, are not considered within 'existence' (which is a proper subset of the Universe) at some specific point in time, but can exist, given a particular set of variables.
The second, sometimes called the 'observable universe', is the collection of everything that can be said to exist for a particular set of coordinates in the various dimensions.

Things may 'randomly, spontaneously pop into existence out of nothing' in the second sort of universe, but not the first.

[Furby]

Correct and from what we can see so far, it appears nothing is just popping into existence, but rather being created from other materials that already existed.

[Bloodshadow]

There are two different things described by the word 'Universe'.
The first - more frequently used by mathematicians than natural scientists, as far as I know - means, roughly, 'all that can be', including things that, for instance, are not considered within 'existence' (which is a proper subset of the Universe) at some specific point in time, but can exist, given a particular set of variables.
The second, sometimes called the 'observable universe', is the collection of everything that can be said to exist for a particular set of coordinates in the various dimensions.

Things may 'randomly, spontaneously pop into existence out of nothing' in the second sort of universe, but not the first.

I am talking about the physical universe, not some abstract concept. Also, be careful when you say "observable universe", because the observable universe is a subset of the entire universe. It is the part of the universe, with Earth at its center, that we're capable of observing, due to the limitation that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. See this if my explanation makes no sense.

Correct and from what we can see so far, it appears nothing is just popping into existence, but rather being created from other materials that already existed.

There's this thing called the Casimir effect. I don't know too much about it, but I think it's basically a force that arises, out of nothing, between two neutral electrically conductive plates in vacuum. In vacuum, "virtual" photons do in fact randomly pop in and out of existence due to quantum fluctuations. The virtual photons between the plates are quantized due to them being in a confined space, while the virtual photons everywhere else are not. In a sense, there are "more" virtual photons outside the plates than inside, so the plates are pushed toward each other. If my explanation makes no sense, watch this video. Yes, this thing has been experimentally verified.

My point is that things do actually pop into existence out of nothing. True, you don't see them in everyday life, but that doesn't mean they're not there. Because of this, I'm not denying the possibility that the whole universe just randomly popped into existence out of nothing. If God created the universe, then where did God come from? Saying that God is beyond the concept of beginnings and ends is unfalsifiable, so I won't even bother with it.

[Furby]

I think you should re focus your view. You need the existence of the plates for this to even take place. Also, quantum fluctuations is not the creation of new existing material. We, as humans, can only see so far. So when something from farther than that comes into view, it is not a 'new existence' but rather something that already existed that we can now see.

[Bloodshadow]

You need the existence of the plates for this to even take place.

No you don't. Virtual photons can come and go regardless of the existence of any plates.

Also, quantum fluctuations is not the creation of new existing material.

Yes it is. The virtual particles arising from quantum fluctuations really is arising out of nothing. The energy doesn't come from any pre-existing place; the Wikipedia article even says that the conservation of energy can appear to be violated.

I think you should make sure you know physics better than me before trying to lecture me and telling me that I should "refocus my view".

Also, read this. That should explain things far better than I can.