Elements 1.4

[BluePriest]

I dont think people understood maths point. It wasnt so much "We dont want any new cards" it was "Before you make new cards, first fix the existing card pool so that the cards are used a lot more evenly." This wouldnt technically raise the card pool, but it would increase the amount of viable decks, and in a way, increase the card pool.

Ill say what I have always said when it comes to new cards though. Special cards are fun, but vanilla cards can be added in more mass, and also make decks more "fun". For example, a  I would build and play with a deck that is all fire dragons. Some would be cheap, some would be expensive (no more expensive than the current dragon) and most of them could be vanilla. It may not be the most effecient deck, but Id have the ability to role play a bit and be a dragon tamer in elements, and to me, that is more enjoyable than getting the strongest deck and rushing through the ai.

30 card deck minimum, we will say a generic 10 pillars. That leaves 20 slots, so 5 crimson dragons, 5 fire drakes (5/2 vanilla dragon) 3 dragon eggs (hatches into a random fire dragon 0/5), 4 dragon riders (7/2) and 3 Dragons of the East (3/9). Only 1 of the new cards I mentioned actually has an effect, the names suck cause im no good at them, but the deck itself would allow me to actually have some fun. Right now, even if Im not playing seriously, and want to have some fun with my deck, it is very hard to make a single theme for any 1 element due to all new cards having a special effect, and therefor taking longer to develop and being harder to balance. I love making a 3 scorpion deck and palying with it even though its not the best deck ever because its fun. Its almost impossible to make a deck like that though, and it be at all serious due to the randomness of needing over 3 quanta sources (momentum, or other buff for 0 attack scorpion)

[Blacksmith]

the "Random Card Pool Deckbuilding" that mathemathistic said in the page before this one sounds fun too

I would absolutely love some sort of "sealed deck"-style mode added to the actual game.

From a story standpoint for PvE, it could be yet another coliseum/arena type of thing where you pay X electrum to enter the arena/coliseum (as an entrance fee, mostly to discourage people from rerolling the sealed deck until they were dealt ghostmare or whatever) and then face a number of opponents in some kind of AI-controlled "tournament". The entrance fee would essentially be the loss fees for all matches, so if you quit out right away due to not liking your sealed deck, you'd pay the full amount, but if you stuck it out, you'd make back all of the money (and then some) making it a similar level of net profit to just playing a similar number of games against random NPCs.

Alternately, the rerolling problem could be solved by just tying it to oracle spins such that your "sealed deck" is generated when you visit the oracle, which would make it able to be used outside of just one structure (i.e. usable in PvP/community tournaments/general PvE). If it were a generally-available thing, perhaps bonus rewards in PvE for using your "sealed deck" and possibly a new PvP mode that only allowed use of sealed decks.

That would be glorious.

This remidns me of Zanz idea TRIALS.

I'd like to have more cards like lychantrope and sundial, play cost from 1 and activation from another.

[majofa]

Anybody who's done PvP Events and Weekly Tournaments knows that we've come at the limited card pool from every different angle. For most elements, War hasn't changed in 3-4 Wars. The Nymph buff helped some teams a bit, which there should be more card changes to existing cards.

Spoiler for possible card changes:

Make a relatively useless card worth playing?
This would allow Air to fly the opponent's weapon, then kill it with Air's CC.
(Heavy) which doesn't allow RT'ing, can make combos more fun!
Cockatrices wanna be cool too... with protection from weapons also?? Sounds good.
Trio ability with Light/Life?

More info here.

A lot of these 'slight' changes would do a lot.
New areas and challenges would do a lot.
BUT... the only way to keep people from leaving is to add new cards. (Otherwise it's like putting the CD you've listened to 1000 times on shuffle... it's still the same songs.....)

[Keolino]

Anybody who's done PvP Events and Weekly Tournaments knows that we've come at the limited card pool from every different angle. For most elements, War hasn't changed in 3-4 Wars. The Nymph buff helped some teams a bit, which there should be more card changes to existing cards.

Spoiler for possible card changes:

Make a relatively useless card worth playing?
This would allow Air to fly the opponent's weapon, then kill it with Air's CC.
(Heavy) which doesn't allow RT'ing, can make combos more fun!
Cockatrices wanna be cool too... with protection from weapons also?? Sounds good.
Trio ability with Light/Life?

More info here.

A lot of these 'slight' changes would do a lot.
New areas and challenges would do a lot.
BUT... the only way to keep people from leaving is to add new cards. (Otherwise it's like putting the CD you've listened to 1000 times on shuffle... it's still the same songs.....)

I have looked through most of your suggested card changes. And well, I really would dislike it if elements would change that much. There are a lot new possibilities with your suggested changes, but as much strategies would become weaker/useless. You are even overpowering some cards which are quite strong already...

And your unupped Bone Dragon is 14/6, while your unupped fire dragon is 12/3 ????? The balance between your cards is completely off.



When looking through it, I start thinking that you are underestimating a lot of cards in this game... (Or you only play with the "best cards" anyway. But guess what? There will always be most used decks and cards, and there will always be some cards at the bottom, and you won´t be able to change that even for a bit, because it´s human psychology to search for the strongest weapon)

[majofa]

When you said my upped Bone Dragon is 14/6, that's when you lost me...

[Drake_XIV]

When you said my upped Bone Dragon is 14/6, that's when you lost me...

Keo said unupped, and was referring to:

Spoiler for Hidden:

As seen in the thread you linked.

[ColorlessGreen]

When you said my upped Bone Dragon is 14/6, that's when you lost me...

Keo said unupped, and was referring to:

Spoiler for Hidden:

As seen in the thread you linked.

Keo said upped and then later edited it to unupped. However, it was pretty clearly and obviously a typo to me.

[Keolino]

When you said my upped Bone Dragon is 14/6, that's when you lost me...

Sorry, my mistake, I meant the unupped. (I changed it now)

But it´s still out of balance, for the Bone Dragon to be stronger than the Fire Dragon, since Fire is and should always be the element with the most brute force.

(And there are some other things too, which I think are just mistakes. For example does your upped Firefly Queen the exact same thing as the unupped, with NO changes. (Both generate the Lightning Bug, which is the unupped version in your thread.)

But I already know that you won´t even listen about what I say, so why am i even writing...

@Drake XIV: I said upped first (by mistake) but changed it after reading my text again...

[Marsu]

Would be cool if we held that discussion in the correct place for it, which is majofa's thread, not this one.

Regarding the initial topic: I see not much need to buff all the underused cards. They don't hurt the game at all, au contraire, actually. I prefer a single new card above an Antlion buff everyday.

[majofa]

When you said my upped Bone Dragon is 14/6, that's when you lost me...

Sorry, my mistake, I meant the unupped. (I changed it now)

But it´s still out of balance, for the Bone Dragon to be stronger than the Fire Dragon, since Fire is and should always be the element with the most brute force.

(And there are some other things too, which I think are just mistakes. For example does your upped Firefly Queen the exact same thing as the unupped, with NO changes. (Both generate the Lightning Bug, which is the unupped version in your thread.)

But I already know that you won´t even listen about what I say, so why am i even writing...

@Drake XIV: I said upped first (by mistake) but changed it after reading my text again...

The change I made to Firefly Queen was before it was made in the game, by over 4 months. In fact, it wasn't even my idea, a lot of the community thought the cost reduction would be good for it.

But, yes, if you hate my ideas so much, post it in the linked thread.

[Chapuz]

the "Random Card Pool Deckbuilding" that mathemathistic said in the page before this one sounds fun too

I would absolutely love some sort of "sealed deck"-style mode added to the actual game.

From a story standpoint for PvE, it could be yet another coliseum/arena type of thing where you pay X electrum to enter the arena/coliseum (as an entrance fee, mostly to discourage people from rerolling the sealed deck until they were dealt ghostmare or whatever) and then face a number of opponents in some kind of AI-controlled "tournament". The entrance fee would essentially be the loss fees for all matches, so if you quit out right away due to not liking your sealed deck, you'd pay the full amount, but if you stuck it out, you'd make back all of the money (and then some) making it a similar level of net profit to just playing a similar number of games against random NPCs.

Alternately, the rerolling problem could be solved by just tying it to oracle spins such that your "sealed deck" is generated when you visit the oracle, which would make it able to be used outside of just one structure (i.e. usable in PvP/community tournaments/general PvE). If it were a generally-available thing, perhaps bonus rewards in PvE for using your "sealed deck" and possibly a new PvP mode that only allowed use of sealed decks.

That would be glorious.

Anybody who's done PvP Events and Weekly Tournaments knows that we've come at the limited card pool from every different angle.

@majofa
I was refering to random pools, not just limited ones. Like speedbuild tournaments but more in an "in-game" feature instead of just a tournament.

[nerd1]

Possibly some vanilla cards get abilities, but you only get that ability randomly- for example, cockatrice gets a 1/10 chance to gain "petrification" whenever it's played, and there are "levels" of upgrades to increase the chances of the creature getting that ability, but paid for with something other than electrum.

For example, for every 25 levels an AI has rounded down, you gain a 50% chance to gain a "token" when you defeat it (so a level 25 AI would give you a 50% chance to get a token, a level 50 AI would give you a token automatically, and a level 75 AI would give you a token and a 50% chance to get a token.) Tokens can be spent giving minor upgrades to individual cards with a level system (1, 2, or 3 tokens to raise a level, depending on the card and level) and the higher the level of a card, the higher the chance of that creature getting an additional effect (for example, paying one electrum to raise cockatrice one level adds a 10% chance for it to gain the petrification ability, for a 1/5 chance of gaining petrification when the card is played.)

Additional effects could be stuff that doesn't take a lot of time to program (like simple attack buffs or chances to evade targeting) but it would give people another reason to keep playing, and if additional effects are restricted to un-activatable effects, the time investment for zanzarino (hopefully) wouldn't be as big a deal.