A few details about T500

[Jappert]

-I really hope there won't be a couple killer decks in Platinum league. FGs are nerfed, but now players have no intention of doing it, so really really strong decks can be created. What I hope is that not all players will copy the same handful of decks, which are the most successful.....

That's what the oracles cards are for: diversity in deck building!

[YoungSot]

Plus if a powerful deck or couple decks get extremely popular, we can always just bring direct counters.

[Newbiecake]

Based on my understanding, the deck you submit must use your own cards (that includes possessing the upgraded cards) right? If not, I think we should be given a "vault" of all the cards, upgraded and non upgraded, because some players may be restricted on what decks they can make with the oracle card because of the cards they may or may not have.

Thank you Zanz for yet another great update! My slowly fading craze for Elements has been renewed!

[UTAlan]

I love the skill point system. Multiple people can submit identical decks which perform very differently based on which attributes they choose. Adds more variety and strategy. Can't wait!

[Acsabi44]

Dang you zanz, another pill for my addiction...
(I'm incredibly looking forward to this )

I'm currently a the top of the Gold League, 1500 points away from the Platinum.
Now, if I get that 1500 socore, do I risk that I may end up left out from the whole show, cause my score is not enough for the 500th place in Platinum, but it is too much for Gold?

All submitted decks will start out in the middle of their league. (I'm not certain whether there are 500 or 500/4=125 players in each league, I guess the latter) So when you submit your deck it will be ranked in the middle (250 or 63) and it will be moved based on how well it performs against players and not based on your score. So with just barely making it to the platinum level you can (theoretically) get to the top stop of the T500. However score is important for improving your deck, how many extras (higher HP, extra draws, number of upgrades, etc) will depend on your level and on your score. So being on the bottom of your league will have some disadvantage, since others can pack more upgrades and better decks, but you will not be out because of the score.

After thinking:
-It'll be interesting how trainer will be adjusted, since you have no score there.
-I really hope there won't be a couple killer decks in Platinum league. FGs are nerfed, but now players have no intention of doing it, so really really strong decks can be created. What I hope is that not all players will copy the same handful of decks, which are the most successful.....

-There's 500 players for each league

- Yes every deck starts out in the middle, but still, the 500 players who get to submit a deck is the 500 players with most score for every league. That makes a huge gap between levels in every league. Consider, for example, Silver league, where the score range is 4160(LVL 20)-17850(LVL 39). Now, I think that we will see only LVL 38 and 39 decks in that league, as there are way more than 500 players with scores around 17k. I think the same is true for every league.
I have a score that is enough for the last level of the Gold League(LVL 59), and with the current system, I have no intention of gaining score to reach LVL 60, cause I think that the Platinum League will be filled with decks ~LVL64-10men. The same is true for the top players of every league. Consider Bronze League... 0-3750... I guarantee that with the current system, we will see nothing but LVL19 decks there.

[zanzarino]

Can a player with a high score (e.g. lvl 40) generate decks for lower leagues (e.g. Bronze)?

This is something I am actually thinking about:

Letting high level player submit decks in low level leagues might cause a flattening in variety (bronze league have mostly lvl19, silver lvl39, etc.).
However, higher level leagues will yield more coins per win, giving players a reason to move to a higher league.

Not letting high level players in low level leagues might cause certain leagues to overcrowd over time. Right now the score limits are set to divide the entire game population in 4 fractions that are about 25% each; my guess is that the gold league will overcrowd over time.

The discussion about this particular issue is open.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Can a player with a high score (e.g. lvl 40) generate decks for lower leagues (e.g. Bronze)?

This is something I am actually thinking about:

Letting high level player submit decks in low level leagues might cause a flattening in variety (bronze league have mostly lvl19, silver lvl39, etc.).
However, higher level leagues will yield more coins per win, giving players a reason to move to a higher league.

Not letting high level players in low level leagues might cause certain leagues to overcrowd over time. Right now the score limits are set to divide the entire game population in 4 fractions that are about 25% each; my guess is that the gold league will overcrowd over time.

The discussion about this particular issue is open.

Even if higher level leagues yield more coins per win people might still consider going into a lower league if it's played more, thus getting more wins and netting more coins. Personally I'm in favor of allowing people to get any level below their actual level, since players are otherwise somewhat punished for having a high score and would have to deliberately lose matches to get into the league they want.

[Astrocyte]

I'm pretty certain that you choose one of the four different leagues after selecting the T500 and then are matched up against a deck from that league. Decks are in different leagues depending on their level.

Edit: Found the thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17265.0.html) with all the T500 information.

Ahhh thanks Wizardcat! All is explained.

[zanzarino]

Updated wisdom scale to reflect the fact that having 30 upgraded cards or 60 upgraded cards does not make a big difference.

New scale: 0,5,10,20,30,60

[The_Mormegil]

How much electrum will the different leagues be worth?

[majofa]

I'm still wondering about the amount of score needed for each level.

Someone, for instance, my brother (not Jaymanfu) who doesn't play very much is almost in the Platinum level. That doesn't seem to give him much to work for when he almost at the highest level.

I'm guessing you have the data for average scores and all that stuff, but most people can get to the 50k level pretty quickly. Then they can everything maxed out except the HP increases.

There's probably still more tweaking to be done, but maybe shift the scores a little so levels don't come so incredibly fast at the beginning and then almost non-existently at the end?

(That being said, I'm looking forward to T500 )

[Genuinous]

Dang you zanz, another pill for my addiction...
(I'm incredibly looking forward to this )

I'm currently a the top of the Gold League, 1500 points away from the Platinum.
Now, if I get that 1500 socore, do I risk that I may end up left out from the whole show, cause my score is not enough for the 500th place in Platinum, but it is too much for Gold?

All submitted decks will start out in the middle of their league. (I'm not certain whether there are 500 or 500/4=125 players in each league, I guess the latter) So when you submit your deck it will be ranked in the middle (250 or 63) and it will be moved based on how well it performs against players and not based on your score. So with just barely making it to the platinum level you can (theoretically) get to the top stop of the T500. However score is important for improving your deck, how many extras (higher HP, extra draws, number of upgrades, etc) will depend on your level and on your score. So being on the bottom of your league will have some disadvantage, since others can pack more upgrades and better decks, but you will not be out because of the score.

After thinking:
-It'll be interesting how trainer will be adjusted, since you have no score there.
-I really hope there won't be a couple killer decks in Platinum league. FGs are nerfed, but now players have no intention of doing it, so really really strong decks can be created. What I hope is that not all players will copy the same handful of decks, which are the most successful.....

-There's 500 players for each league

- Yes every deck starts out in the middle, but still, the 500 players who get to submit a deck is the 500 players with most score for every league. That makes a huge gap between levels in every league. Consider, for example, Silver league, where the score range is 4160(LVL 20)-17850(LVL 39). Now, I think that we will see only LVL 38 and 39 decks in that league, as there are way more than 500 players with scores around 17k. I think the same is true for every league.
I have a score that is enough for the last level of the Gold League(LVL 59), and with the current system, I have no intention of gaining score to reach LVL 60, cause I think that the Platinum League will be filled with decks ~LVL64-10men. The same is true for the top players of every league. Consider Bronze League... 0-3750... I guarantee that with the current system, we will see nothing but LVL19 decks there.

Actually you can have maximum upgrades by level 64 as it currently shows (I guess it will be changed).
4*1+5*4+2*10+1*20=4+20+20+20=64
So anything above level 64 won't get additional bonus.
If you make platinum league with level 60, you can make a FG powered 30 card deck. (After level 64 (135800 score) no backdraws at all)