1.29 Newbie Tutorial: Becoming Rich the Fun Way

[Aves]

Err... regen2k9's mono-dark is unupped, so I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. It would probably work better upped, true, but the 84% stat is for unupped. (The meta has changed and always will change, though, so be careful with trusting those statistics)

[Mahligros2]

Err... regen2k9's mono-dark is unupped, so I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. It would probably work better upped, true, but the 84% stat is for unupped. (The meta has changed and always will change, though, so be careful with trusting those statistics)

Ah right, it's just that they were improved on the link you sent me. Improved steal, those kind of things. Thanks again though.

[KingBohica]

Thanks for all the advice! Should have come to the forums much sooner! =]

[Ilias22]

Really good article...From here i learn enough things when i was guest.

[kev]

Epilogue:
I decided to put it to the test and find out how time intensive it really is to start from scratch and get a fully upped FG grinder.  Once you have a fully upped FG grinder, I reasoned, it'd be relatively easy to grind up electrum and upped decks.  I think a lot of vets would point to having a fully upped FG grinder as sort of a coming of age.

Here was my plan:
Day 1: Start up an alt and change it to a mono-death AI3 grinder ASAP.  Grind until I have enough electrum to buy The Essential Halfblood Farmer and then grind until I can afford my RoL/Hope with 6 upped RoLs.  (Note: after grinding AI4 with Essential I can say it's definitely more efficient than the standard advice to grind AI3 for 9k electrum.  Slower games and lower winrates, but winning an upped card is worth 1150 and it happens more often than I'd thought.)
Day 2: If I didn't find a 2nd lobo against AI3 and AI4 yesterday, find 1-2 in bronze.
Day 3: Use my mostly unupped RoL/Hope to grind FGs, upping itself in the process.

Here's how it worked out:
Day 1: I created an account at ~9am on a weekday and by ~4pm I had a RoL/Hope with 6 upped RoLs and one lobo.  Yay.
Day 2: Where all the lobos at?  I grinded bronze a good chunk of the day and never found one.
Day 3: Until I found more lobos, there's really no point in grinding FGs.  My winrate would be worse, but more importantly I set out to get a fully upped RoL/Hope and that includes the lobos.  Here's how it would work out, in theory:

• I'd need to win about 30 cards (sell value of ~1150 each enough to up ~24 cards I need)
• I'd win about 0.5 upped cards per FG I beat, so I'd need to beat about 60 FGs.
• Starting unupped, a winrate of ~30% is prolly an okay assumption.  That means I'd need to play about 200 games.

Conclusion:
I'm told Limitless Speed (an FG grinder utilizing 0 rares) has a good winrate.  If that's true, I'm pretty confident getting a fully upped FG grinder on a brand new account could be done in less than 24 hours.  That's the advice I'd give new players.

The real problem facing new players is that many of the community's tried-and-true decks use rares.  And finding the rares you need, with one exception, is 100% due to circumstance.  Kami recently asked what kinds of quests and rewards zanz should add, and I think this post answers the question.  Grinding for electrum isn't tough if you have the rares.

[kev]

Day 2: Where all the lobos at?  I grinded bronze a good chunk of the day and never found one.
Day 3: Until I found more lobos, there's really no point in grinding FGs.  My winrate would be worse, but more importantly I set out to get a fully upped RoL/Hope and that includes the lobos.  Here's how it would work out, in theory:

Have you tired this?
TL;DR: IT is a beginner deck geared specificially towards beating the  elder. If you don't care about score, then you can skip every other AI3, so you can play lots of games in littlie time. Result: fast lobo. (I agree, it is luck dependent, but it should't take more than a day)

Did you mean to link something?

The possibility of winning a lobo from the mono-aether elder is one of the reasons AI3 grinding is the standard recommendation by vets.  But when you beat the mono-aether AI3 there's about a 1% chance you win a lobo per spin (3% chance over three spins).  That means you'll win a lobo once every ~430 AI3 matches (on average) but there's a huge amount of variance so it could just as easily be the first AI3 game as it could be the 850th.  New players can't afford 4000 electrum to autoquit 400 matches even if they were willing to take the hits on electrum, score, and pride.  And I haven't mentioned that most RoL/Hope builds require three lobos, not two.


At any rate this has been a learning experience for me.  I'd always thought the goal in starting a new account should be to get a partially upped FG grinder, have it up itself, and from that point gaining electrum is relatively easy.  I'd also though AI3 was more lucrative than AI4.

If a friend started the game today I'd tell him to start with the Aether element, morph his deck into Essential by the time he reaches 150 score, and then grind AI4 for ups until he could afford an arena grinder.  Which is a pretty huge departure.  From there he could grind rares and electrum and the game wouldn't get stale as easily.

[whatifidogetcaught?]

Interesting. I took the wacky route of having 7 different accounts until I just decided on my main. From there I grinded Level 3s until I could get a semi-unupped Limitless Speed (Dragon and Elixirs only.) I didn't farm bronze until way after I got Limitless Speed. Heck, I grinded Gold with it before I made a Mono-Dark. This is obviously not the best way to go about things, but if AI4 is in fact as lucrative as suggested, then that would be best.

[UTTERDARK]

thanks for a helpful tip sir......

[TribalTrouble]

Can you update this Xeno? Especially the first pic.

[Chapuz]

As I made Firecell Scavengers, 100% unupped and rareless FG grinder with a decent win rate, I think it wouldn't be bad to add it as fast electrum maker for newies. It can also be the path to Limitless Speed, as they share most of the cards.

[has99]

thanks it's good