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Should Vampire Stiletto be nerfed?

Yes, Its overpowered
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I think it should be nerfed.
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No, it should stay the way it is.
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Its perfectly balanced.
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Voting closed: July 06, 2012, 11:35:57 pm

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[Official] Vampire Stiletto | Vampire Dagger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513626#msg513626
« on: June 21, 2012, 11:35:57 pm »


I really think Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger should be nerfed to 2/3 | 3/4. It only costs 1 darkness quanta and is better then Druidic Staff in many ways. It heals 4 HP, it also deals 4 HP, and it only costs 1 darkness quanta. While Druidic Staff only deals 2 HP and heals 1 - 5 HP. It also costs 2 life quanta. Can someone help me post a picture of the Vampire Stiletto? I don't know how.
 
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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513627#msg513627
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2012, 11:39:23 pm »
Vampire stiletto
1 :darkness 4 damage, 4 healing

Vampire dagger
2 :darkness 6 damage, 6 healing

Druidic staff
2 :life 2 damage, 5 healing

Jade staff
2 :life 4 damage, 5 healing

Vampire dagger is better than jade staff. Stiletto may or may not be better than druidic staff.

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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513628#msg513628
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2012, 11:41:48 pm »
In addition, Druidic Staff heals it's full 5 HP whether it is blocked or not. Vampire Dagger's damage/healing will be reduced if a shield is put up.

Also, I would strongly advise against having your first post be in this section (or its counterpart, "Buff this card!") as Higurashi stated below. Game balance is a tricky thing, and having some experience with how the cards work is almost mandatory. I would however recommend heading over to the Card Ideas and Art section if you have interested in learning about balance though and read articles such as this one (which is by far the best balance guide we currently have on this forum.)
« Last Edit: June 22, 2012, 05:07:16 am by Zblader »

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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513629#msg513629
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 11:42:08 pm »
Neither are unbalanced. Weapons are supposed to be cost-effective, and if you want to focus on vampiric damage when unupped you'll usually go Dragons+LS. If upped, you just go Vampires since they're 6 just like the Dagger with Eclipse out, and the option of Animate Weapon+Daggers is there.
Stiletto is usually used in tandem with Dusk Mantle in a balanced monodarkness because they make for a strong combo, or in immorushes, but they're always only a support item. Never a card that makes a strategy and causes it to be OP.

Staff is somewhat weak, but is balanced thanks to Flying Weapon+Adrenaline.

As a sidenote, Stiletto used to do 2|4 damage long ago, iirc. It was justly buffed, as it was almost useless.

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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513631#msg513631
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 11:43:03 pm »
Oh, thanks. I thought it healed 1 - 5 hp. Sorry.

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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513634#msg513634
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 11:51:08 pm »
Er, why are there two options for "don't nerf it"? :P

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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513635#msg513635
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 11:52:16 pm »
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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513689#msg513689
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 04:25:18 am »
I believe Druidic/Jade staves are UP, but that does not mean Vamipre stilleto/dagger should be nerfed.
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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513749#msg513749
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 08:55:13 am »
Certainly not a gamebreaking card neither upper or unupped, just a very strong one. Jade staff will indeed heal even if it's blocked like Higurashi mentioned so it has it's advantages.

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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg513753#msg513753
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2012, 09:04:32 am »
they both have advantages despite i belive druidic staff should cost just 1 :life
just my opinion... just cause i rarely see jade staffs and comonly see vampire dagger
however the difrence is not very harmfull


ps- i shall once again refere the cards that are realy OP are mostly FoF , SOsa and steam machine

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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg522917#msg522917
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 01:53:02 am »
I personally love the vampire stiletto. It embodies darkness in a way that most weapons do not. I think that its function of returning healing is great. It is meant to "sneak up" on the opponent and draw damamge, but is blocked by shields. It is not for sure it will deal 4 healing- it may only return 3 or against titanium 2.

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Re: Vampire Stiletto / Vampire Dagger ( First Post ) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41438.msg533494#msg533494
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2012, 07:58:19 pm »
This weapon is perfectly balanced for me.
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