*Author

Offline EvaRiaTopic starter

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3143
  • Country: ca
  • Reputation Power: 45
  • EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.EvaRia is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.
  • I~am~Eva, ~Chillwind~ I~am~Ria, ~Searwind~
  • Awards: War #5 Winner - Team Aether
[Official] Graboid | Elite Graboid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg522678#msg522678
« on: July 17, 2012, 03:49:04 am »


Proposed tweak makes it around as fast as it was before, but in return makes the burrowing shenanigans easier to deal with and harder to pull of OTK.

The speed isn't actually an issue with a bit of control, but the 2 ATK immortals and OTK potential/advantage with burrowing makes it too difficult to deal with.




« Last Edit: May 06, 2015, 12:38:05 am by Treldon »

Offline Joseph7

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 321
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 4
  • Joseph7 is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • New to Elements
  • Awards: Weekly Tournament Winner
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg522914#msg522914
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2012, 01:45:12 am »
I personally like this nerf. It makes the graboid's burrowing ability less useful, because it would only attack 3, 4 if upped. Good nerf.

Offline Cheesy111

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1517
  • Reputation Power: 19
  • Cheesy111 is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.Cheesy111 is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.Cheesy111 is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.
  • New to Elements
  • Awards: Battle League 2/2014 1st PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeBattle League 3/2012 2nd PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerBeginners League 2/2012 2nd Place
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg522940#msg522940
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2012, 03:15:38 am »
I really like this nerf.  It's not a huge detriment to shrieker rush or earth shrieker decks but it effectively hurts the potential of graboids to wear down an opponent in a battle of attrition.  Great idea.

Offline dragonsdemesne

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5283
  • Country: aq
  • Reputation Power: 63
  • dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!dragonsdemesne shines with the light of the Morning Glory!
  • Leeeeeeeeeeroyyyyyyyyy....
  • Awards: Weekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerBattle League 1/2014 2nd PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerBattle League 3/2013 2nd PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerBattle League 2/2013 WinnerBattle League 1/2013 2nd PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerChampionship League 3/2012 2nd PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerChampionship League 2/2012 3rd Place
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg522946#msg522946
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 03:42:04 am »
I don't like the fact that the unupped one would cost only 2 :earth under your proposal.  That would arguably make graboid rush even faster, not slower.  If the unupped graboid cost 3, I'd agree with your other changes.  It makes the burrowing/unburrowing more costly, and it helps differentiate shrieker (the actual shrieker, not graboid) from just being an undercosted earth dragon, since the attack values are different.

Offline OldTrees

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 10297
  • Reputation Power: 114
  • OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • I was available for questions.
  • Awards: Brawl #2 Winner - Team FireTeam Card Design Winner
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg523022#msg523022
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2012, 09:01:09 am »
I think 2 :earth + 1 card + 1 turn (burrowed) + 1 :time < 7 :earth + 1 card
I think that inequality is a problem.
"It is common sense to listen to the wisdom of the wise. The wise are marked by their readiness to listen to the wisdom of the fool."
"Nothing exists that cannot be countered." -OldTrees on indirect counters
Ask the Idea Guru: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32272.0.htm

Offline ZephyrPhantom

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7675
  • Country: aq
  • Reputation Power: 101
  • ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeFlavour Text Revival Competition - WinnerSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday Cake
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg523047#msg523047
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 12:23:34 pm »
I'm a bit concerned about the unupped's increased potential in Speedbows, especially when you can fire off two Novas a turn.

Will -1 damage really slow down a Grabbow enough to compensate for a cheaper Grabboid?

Offline Ilias22

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 328
  • Reputation Power: 5
  • Ilias22 is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • Ice dragon
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg534066#msg534066
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 08:28:27 am »
I like this card as it is .i dont thik it needs nerf...But i am a bit confused ?_?....This nerf you say is like a buff for me.
:water :water :water

Offline Vangelios

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2931
  • Country: br
  • Reputation Power: 36
  • Vangelios is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Vangelios is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Vangelios is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Vangelios is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Vangelios is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Vangelios is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Vangelios is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.
  • War Hardcore Player
  • Awards: War #11 Winner - Team LifeWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerBattle League 3/2015 2nd PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerBattle League 1/2015 3rd PlaceForum Brawl #4 WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament Winner8th Trials - Master of FireBattle League 3/2013 WinnerBattle League 2/2013 Second PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerBattle League 1/2013 3rd PlaceBattle League 3/2012 Winner
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg535135#msg535135
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 06:22:16 pm »
Greetings Evaria, the idea of ​​changing the graboid is good, I think he should be revised.
 but this suggestion makes he more powerful, have become lycanthropes with more damage and  gain the ability of Shrieker, so much more powerful than lycanthrope, also the detail that he enter into play invulnerable.
  with the cost of 2 :earth it is very advantageous for speeddeck and rainbow. would be good reduce the attack and maintain their original price.
Brawl - 4 :fire Red Stars
The luck is much Greater, when there effort and patience.

Offline justaburd

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 638
  • Reputation Power: 12
  • justaburd is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.justaburd is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.
  • Chirp!
  • Awards: Gold DonorSlice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday Cake7th Trials - Master of AirSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg535138#msg535138
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 06:30:11 pm »
I feel that if you keep the new stats, but the old cost, that would be a nerf. As it is right now, most of the time you're not using graboid damage, and 7 cost means it's easier to replay after an RT. -1 damage doesn't really offset that. Maybe -2 damage on shrieker would do it.
Chirp? *looks around*

Offline majofa

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • *
  • Posts: 6050
  • Reputation Power: 90
  • majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.majofa is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • Awards: Forum Brawl #5 Winner - Abyss BrawlersWar #8 - Sportsmanship AwardForum Brawl #4 WinnerROCK-PAPER-SCISSORS-LIZARD-SPOCK Bazinger2012 - PvP World ChampionSapphire Shard of PvP Events6th Trials - Master of WaterCard Idea Decks - Space CreaturesBrawl #1 Winner - Team Nyan SharksWinner of 12 Lives - PvP Event #2Weekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerPvP Player of the Year - 2011Weekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWinner of Raise the Stakes PvP Event #14th Trials - Master of LightWeekly Tournament WinnerWar #3 Winner - Team FireWeekly Tournament WinnerVictor of the 1st Card Design War24 Club - Most Expensive Players during War AuctionWinner of Team PvP #3Weekly Tournament WinnerWinner of 12 Lives PvP Event #1Weekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg535148#msg535148
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2012, 07:11:05 pm »
Something I came up with a while back. Slows the speed of Grabbow overall, while giving it more flexibility. Also, making it less like Stone Dragon.




Offline Acsabi44

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1954
  • Country: hu
  • Reputation Power: 28
  • Acsabi44 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.Acsabi44 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.Acsabi44 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.Acsabi44 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.Acsabi44 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • Coming to get ya.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeBronze DonorWeekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament Winner14 Club - Most Expensive players during War AuctionWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg535703#msg535703
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 07:37:45 pm »
Something I came up with a while back. Slows the speed of Grabbow overall, while giving it more flexibility. Also, making it less like Stone Dragon.



With all due respect, I think this is a bad idea.
While 6|3 or 8|3 after evolving is still pretty agressive, evolved you also give them the ability to deal with the control player's remaining life after he stabilized behind a shield.
[17:04:00] Dragon6: ‹@Acsabi44› You are Rage Potion, Phase Dragon and Momentum all in one
Interested in game strategy,  theory and other kinds of advice? Clicky clicky!

Offline OldTrees

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 10297
  • Reputation Power: 114
  • OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • I was available for questions.
  • Awards: Brawl #2 Winner - Team FireTeam Card Design Winner
Re: Graboid | Elite Graboid (Shrieker | Shrieker) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42062.msg535723#msg535723
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 08:52:45 pm »
@majofa
Dirt Dragon should have 3 atk.
I think the buff to burrow might be slightly too much but I agree that mere burrow might not be sufficient.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2012, 08:56:15 pm by OldTrees »
"It is common sense to listen to the wisdom of the wise. The wise are marked by their readiness to listen to the wisdom of the fool."
"Nothing exists that cannot be countered." -OldTrees on indirect counters
Ask the Idea Guru: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32272.0.htm

 

anything
blarg: