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Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg496723#msg496723
« on: May 11, 2012, 08:48:15 am »
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Duels:
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Event Card:





Notes:
- Both Event Cards are in effect this round; there is no need to choose between the two.  Generals (and Generals only) should create a "Round 3 Event Card decision" thread in their secret section and post which cards are being targeted by Telepathic Gambit.
- Full Support matches won can come from attacking OR defending players, so long as a match is actually played.  The exception: taking an undefended Relic counts as a won match.
- Telepathic Gambit details: You don't have to name a card for each matchup.  Pick any number of matchups or ignore the card altogether.  The discard is not random; you'll choose it during next sdcpa.


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Match-ups:      

26:life Lt. killsdazombiesvs:fire Fire4
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29:life Gen. willng3vs:water Water6
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30:light Light2vs:life Salvager Belligerence
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33:life Scout drollyvs:time Gen. 10 men
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34:earth Earth6vs:life Assassin Helston
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Support Team Battles
for Round 2
:fire Selinea attacks :life swishy (three players set to defend)
Note: this match must be completed before the end of the deckbuilding phase
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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg496740#msg496740
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 09:31:50 am »
Doing what I can from my phone while I've got some time to kill, but no computer to do any testing (or proper formatting above).

First up, support battle vs fire. The only fire cards they have access to are Ash Eater, Cromson Dragon, Fire Spirit, Immolation and Fire Shield. This means we can expect fragile creatures coming our way. As such I reckon they're either going to avoid the problem completely by focusing on fire shield somehow or use some sort of creature protection. Or a PUgon, but they've got a pretty limited aether card pool too. If I was fire I'd bring along dragons with cloaks and steals, the steals covering the big deflag-shaped hole we might also exploit.

My only, raw and completely untested ideas are that we run a very simple mono life - dragons/heals - or a fast PUgon of our own, with a lightning or two thrown in.

As for the round proper:

:water shall we go for the same as last round? Unless they've got some more deflags, will should mop 'em up again. Maybe add a lobo or two.

:time - frogtal. Reverse time and the like are our big enemies here.

:earth :fire :light
Was thinking about devtosis, but each of these has a fair chance of sending us a sancstall. Perhaps a fire duo for the CC against :earth, Adrenatitans vs :light and whatever's left (can't remember at this stage) vs :fire?
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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg496863#msg496863
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 04:15:53 pm »
Here is a full list of cards that Fire used last round:
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Based on what they have remaining at their disposal, I fully support going full rush using PUgons.  However, packing a few Lightnings should be mandatory given that the threat of an opposing PUgon (which should outrush us) is very real.
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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497069#msg497069
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2012, 03:35:42 am »
Okay so I've been giving these match-ups a lot of thought today, and here's what I'm thinking at the moment:

:water - Helston's pretty much dead on with this one.  The best I can see them doing is using their Darkness duo against us and packing a butt-load of Steals in case of Dims, but even with all of that our Dragons should just trample all over them.  My one major concern is that they might have a store of Dims hiding somewhere in their vault, but I really don't see why they wouldn't have used them in their Aether duo last Round against Entropy (duh block Discord) if this were the case.  Furthermore, they faced Death during Round 1, won, and suddenly just happen to have 4 Lightnings in Round 2 which also appeared in Death's deck during Round 1.  So I'm going to assume that they salvaged 4 Lightnings from Death's deck and are either hiding 2 Dim Shields or used something else for conversion fodder; that match against Death was their only opportunity to salvage Dim Shields.  Last round the only cards of notice that they managed to salvage were Basilisk Blood (PUgons laughed at Permafrost last round), Momentum, and Druidic Staves + Flying Weapons.  Basilisk Blood would require them to field an Earth duo, meaning we could expect Tridents and BB, but as I demonstrated with AdrenaTitans versus Death last round, non-Earth elements using EQ in any form versus a fast deck like PUgons are going to find themselves at a huge disadvantage.  Momentum and Druidic Staves are both negated by Lobo and Dim Shield, to strengthen Helston's thoughts.  I feel PUgons is a very strong choice here.

:time - Ghostal lost last Round, but Time could easily discard Pends and Fractals and then replenish Fractals using their salvage from Aether.  They have 2 Ghostmares which is my only hesitation against sending Frogtal against them.  I strongly doubt they'd send any deck against us that can't find a way to deal with Dims our way, given that our duel against Earth last Round showed that losing that Frogtal was not an option for us.  Therefore I'm anticipating either Ghostmare or some kind of Novabow, but I'll need to check their other match-ups before deciding on either of these.  I'm wondering how our Crusaders deck would fare against these decks, although sending it against the Element with a monopoly on RT and Eternity seems crazy, I know.

:light - Alright, I'm sick of losing to these guys round after round.  I say we hit them hard and shut them up once and for all.  From the deck's they used last round I see AdrenaTitans having 0 issues whatsoever.  Viewing the decks they've used so far this War I'd say we're likely to see VaderSaders, The Immortal or they might try another attempt to use our own cards against us like last Round.  However, I should note that they won against Time last Round which means we might face a Crusader deck using Eternities and RT.  I'm going to have to take a look at their current vault situation to decide on whether or not they can afford to use salvages for anything but conversion fodder this round.

:fire - Well.  These guys are just unpredictable.  I thought about using AdrenaTitans in case of stalls, but realistically a rush with Deflags is just as, if not more, likely to be used against us.  And their rushes outrush AdrenaTitans.  This might have to be one of our more chancy match-ups unless someone comes up with a brilliant scheme to use against them.  Although, I'm questioning how a Mono Life rush would do here (though that's a painful discard if it loses).

:earth - Meh.  They used a Shrieker Rush with RTs last round which makes me wonder if they won't expect us to use AdrenaTitans versus their Immortal and then counter with that.  I'd feel pretty safe about using PUgons here, but that's more or less a sure win against Water...

Salvage/discard/conversion situation:
This will need to be focused on later, I feel, but I definitely do not want to deal with this at the last minute like last time.

Support team battle:  I've touched base with swishy, waiting for a response.  Haven't changed my opinion from several hours ago though.
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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497156#msg497156
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2012, 11:08:56 am »
Okay so I've been giving these match-ups a lot of thought today, and here's what I'm thinking at the moment:

:light - Alright, I'm sick of losing to these guys round after round.  I say we hit them hard and shut them up once and for all.  From the deck's they used last round I see AdrenaTitans having 0 issues whatsoever.  Viewing the decks they've used so far this War I'd say we're likely to see VaderSaders, The Immortal or they might try another attempt to use our own cards against us like last Round.  However, I should note that they won against Time last Round which means we might face a Crusader deck using Eternities and RT.  I'm going to have to take a look at their current vault situation to decide on whether or not they can afford to use salvages for anything but conversion fodder this round.


Salvaging those RTs and Eternities looks very unlikely at this stage. They've only won three matches this war, putting them in a tighter situation vault-wise than us. Their two Crusader decks have lost three times between them too, including both times last round with 18-card discard. That said, they might aim to catch us out with something this crazy, but I think they've got bigger problems at this stage. They're dead last in the standings, 13 cards behind us.

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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497161#msg497161
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2012, 12:01:02 pm »
Sorry about my relative inactivity the last day or two. Life is being crazy, I can barely find a few moments to refresh the forums, let alone do any intensive testing or whatever. I expect everything will be settling down later today, and I'll take a look at salvages/discards then and whatnot. I have a feeling that discarding mostly pendulums just won't cut it at this point.

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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497564#msg497564
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2012, 08:14:40 am »
Commenting briefly to say that Sot will expect us to play our support team match tomorrow morning...whenever that time equals for him I guess.  Anyone can sub and we receive no penalty for it so you have my permission to sub for swishy if needed, just be mindful of the support team rules.

Also, in the midst of testing PUgons with Lightnings to use in our support team match I realized that we used Lightnings in our Grabbow, thus making fielding Emerald Dragons, Parallel Universe, and Lightning impossible within the same deck due to deckbuilding restrictions.  Honestly I think we could just use 6 Dragons, 6 PUs, Lobos and Pillars/Pends and turn out fine.  I do not have the time to test that atm, I'm afraid.
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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497579#msg497579
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 09:02:00 am »
Just a quick note, I'll have more time and will be able to read through every post in a few hours ...
thus making fielding Emerald Dragons, Parallel Universe, and Lightning impossible within the same deck due to deckbuilding restrictions.
Don't we already have 3 support team members this round? Or would we have to use 4 cards the main team used to play PUgons?
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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497591#msg497591
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2012, 09:35:57 am »
Yeah, we can definitely use Emerald Dragons/PU/Lightning in a deck together. Heals and Dims weren't exactly on the cards. Also, support teams can't use rare cards, so no Lobos either.

I'm liking the look of this:

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Works well enough against a straight PUgon.
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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497636#msg497636
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2012, 01:15:14 pm »
Alright, don't mind me... just woke up, and haven't had my coffee yet, so if this comes out unintelligible I'll edit it once I'm awake.

Salvages:

Water: If we somehow save the Fire cards from the Nature's Wrath deck: 2x Deflagration, 4x Pillars (conversion fodder maybe, I might be crazy, but I don't see any use for the Water cards). If we don't save the Fire cards from Nature's Wrath, then 6x Pillars for conversion fodder?

Death: 2x Arsenic, 1x Poison. My thoughts on this are we could possibly make a deck with Scorpions/Arsenics/a single Poison (lol) and maybe a few Heals and/or Mitosis.


Discards:
Grabbow: 5 Nova, 4x Graboid, 1x Momentum, 2x Explosion, 1x Fog Shield, 1x Druid Staff, 2x Forest Spirit, 2x Emerald Pillars. This pretty much removes this deck from our vault, but then again, removing 18x cards from a deck pretty much removes it from the vault anyway...

Nature's Wrath: 2x Fire Bolt, 4 Rage Potion, 5x Phoenix, 7x Pendulums. Guess its about the best we can do with this deck, Life cards are more important than Fire.

Shockwave Dragons: 2x Dragons, 2x Shockwave, 1x Owl's Eye, 13x Pendulums. Not sure about this. Discarding 13x Pendulums is a bit harsh, but if we maintain the "core" cards of the deck (Wings, Dragons, Owl's Eye's) we should be able to just replace the Pendulums and Dragons (Dragons from Natures Wrath maybe?) and use it if the need arises.

Frogtal: 4x Frogs (2x are saved from Grabbow, and it says we have 8 in Vault)), 2x Silence (Vault says we have 6, if we don't have 6, then forget it), 1x DimShield, 8x Pendulum.

I'm not sure about the discards.

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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497653#msg497653
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2012, 02:18:18 pm »
Alright, don't mind me... just woke up, and haven't had my coffee yet, so if this comes out unintelligible I'll edit it once I'm awake.

Salvages:

Water: If we somehow save the Fire cards from the Nature's Wrath deck: 2x Deflagration, 4x Pillars (conversion fodder maybe, I might be crazy, but I don't see any use for the Water cards). If we don't save the Fire cards from Nature's Wrath, then 6x Pillars for conversion fodder?

Death: 2x Arsenic, 1x Poison. My thoughts on this are we could possibly make a deck with Scorpions/Arsenics/a single Poison (lol) and maybe a few Heals and/or Mitosis.


Discards:
Grabbow: 5 Nova, 4x Graboid, 1x Momentum, 2x Explosion, 1x Fog Shield, 1x Druid Staff, 2x Forest Spirit, 2x Emerald Pillars. This pretty much removes this deck from our vault, but then again, removing 18x cards from a deck pretty much removes it from the vault anyway...

Nature's Wrath: Not sure yet. I don't want to just toss out Life cards, since they're kinda important for... team Life... but the Fire cards are also useful... heh.

Shockwave Dragons: 2x Dragons, 2x Shockwave, 1x Owl's Eye, 13x Pendulums. Not sure about this. Discarding 13x Pendulums is a bit harsh, but if we maintain the "core" cards of the deck (Wings, Dragons, Owl's Eye's) we should be able to just replace the Pendulums and Dragons (Dragons from Natures Wrath maybe?) and use it if the need arises.

Frogtal: 4x Frogs (2x are saved from Grabbow, and it says we have 8 in Vault)), 2x Silence (Vault says we have 6, if we don't have 6, then forget it), 1x DimShield, 8x Pendulum.

I'm not sure about the discards.

Since we're discarding 18 cards from Nature's Wrath, I feel like keeping up a firestall would be very hard. Maybe we could just discard the fire cards + 1 staff + 6 pends?

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Re: Round 3 discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40032.msg497662#msg497662
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2012, 02:46:17 pm »
Yeah, that would probably do it, ultimately I guess Life cards are more important than off-element cards.

 

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