Deck Ideas for Vault - Brainstorm

[wizelsnarf]

WaveDash's spreadsheet: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Arni5UFjy-CEdFlfVW9GT0RkS2NERU9hZHVVMEo3S3c&hl=en&authkey=CP2Usnc

Enemy decks to test against here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14666.0.html
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Below is a list of ideas we think are good and someone should test for a while in trainer until they get a good deck. Add any you want to the list

- mitosis chargers
- deflags + dragons + CC?
- thorn carapace + earthquake + stoneskin + heal + scorpions? stall deck
- - Graboid Lifebow - graboids, novas, adren
- - FFQ deck, FFQ, bonds, hope?
- - our go to deck against entropy - sanctuary + anything life
- mitosis ghost?
- - adren dejavu + turtle shield + reverse time
- pestosis, mitosis + pests
  - poison stall, scorpions, poison, thorn carapace, heal, staff or arsenic


Add more as they come to you I will update this first post. If you can, make the deck in trainer and post so others can double test it.

[PlayerOa]

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This can work as a mono life.

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You can finetune number of pendulums, this is just an idea.

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Same as above, Cockatrices and not Frogs for reability (spelled right? )

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A potential Life-Earth bow

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Only for wizel, with 6 upped Animate Weapons.

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[wavedash]

Mitosis doesn't target Flying weapons. Shame we can't use Shards of readiness.

Life / Water stall with Forest Spectres and Congeals. Forest Scorpion deck NEEDS Adrenaline. Definitely liking the Hope deck. Phase Shield stall works with pretty much every element. Firefly Queen deck, maybe with Hope. Thorn Carapace / Heal can fit in almost any stall deck.

[edunavas]

Wize, I think stoneskin is not a good idea, need lot of quanta to make difference, and quanta is a thing we don´t have much.

Here are some ideas...not ideal...just the essence.

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I liked the hope deck too. Dunno if don´t lack on quanta
Another thing, mitosis on high cost creatures make the deck very very slow...like the first I posted. 5 quanta on armagios are too high, but on devours are very cool.

[wizelsnarf]

check out trials for some deck ideas. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21108.0.html


Edunavas,

The first deck is slow because the quanta production is not correct. Too much  - not enough to spend it on. Too little  and that is what you need. The solution is to add some life creatures in to use mitosis on as well. Also, 1 thorn carapace in any deck is useless. It is a slow shield and you need it early to be effective, that usually means putting 3 thorn carapace in a 30 card deck if you want to use them.

I like your darkness deck idea. Putting an black dragon is smart because you build up a lot of  from the devourers. I think it needs some tweaking and further testing though. Deck stability is important. Eclipse might be helpful too.

Here is my version (not tested so don't trust it!) not very good at EMing either but it is powerful once started.

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Also, didn't test your earthquake deck but it looks good. I would just take out the hematite golem because they aren't that great unupped and just 1 in the vault is kind of a dead card. Better to take more life creatures OR graboids




One last thought. Single cards in a deck are very unlikely to be drawn when you need them. It works in rainbows sometimes but not much in monos and duos. Basically, in a 30 card deck you should probably have the card twice at least. Certain exception apply like the black dragon above because even if you get it last you should in theory still be alright. 2 black dragons might be better though i haven't tested.

Another exception is druidic staff - it basically functions as a shard of gratitude. Getting one late isn't that bad if you aren't counting on it for attack or heal. In other words 4 heals +1 druidic staff is fine. 1 druidic staff and no other healing - not a good idea (damn me i did that above)


Testing the deck in the trainer is the final word though, theories be damned.

[wizelsnarf]

PS, with the new ability to fight custom decks in the trainer, you should choose decks that were played against life during war #2 for testing.

Those can be found here:

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14666.0.html

[wavedash]

Six Earthquakes is always redundant.

[edunavas]

Hi people

Wize, thank for your avaliation, and as I said when posted, these decks are ideas, not ideal. I just tested sometimes to see if workm but maybe quanta is not avaiable. These are some ideas for the deck vault. If you liked the catapult idea, put catapults in the vault.
I think steals on the darkness deck are essencials to steal their sheilds. With only one dragon like you did, don´t expect lots of devourers doing 1 damage when the shields can block it. That´s why emerald dragons are important.

But the thing now is just to know what cards will be on and will be not on vault. not exacly the quantity. During the war we will have to adapt these decks cause probably we will lost some cards and salvage others. The decks will be really created and tested several times during the War.

[wavedash]

Is there any reason to use a Pendulum that isn't Life?

[wizelsnarf]

You make a good point about the devourers. Ideally you would quanta lock them and they would never get a shield though. The other option is to turn it in to a stall - try to make it 36 cards or something and hope for deckout.


Wavedash, nonlife pillars/pends might be useful in very specific cases (perhaps for a firebolt deck) but because of the 50% rule they have limited value. We can always convert them later if need be.

[edunavas]

I think other pendulums than the own element is not necessary...I didn´t see any team playing on War 2. Unlesse you wanna make a trio....

Wize, but you don´t know if you will quanta lock. The strategie is it, but who knows? I don´t think it´s necessary to make now a deck with 36 cards. If you liked the idea, put devours on vault, later we make a better deck. We don´t need the exacly deck for now....are you in chat?