The Ultimate Speed EM Deck

[willng3]

And in any case, comments regarding the unupped version being too slow are completely off topic.  If you wish to discuss the lack of speed in the unupped version, then by all means go and find that thread and post there.  However, discussion here is only for the upped version as it is the only version posted.

[grindpower]

This seems really efficient. I am working towards this deck.

[Polari]

I just built the deck with -1 Sword -1 Pendulum +1 Staff +1 Epinephrine as both cards had supporters in the thread and they let me get to business with two less upgrades. Epinephrine was horrible and I replaced it as soon as I got up to 1500. Staff seemed ok - sometimes better, sometimes worse than a Sword. Probably a little worse overall and I'll soon get that second Sword too, but I'd say that Staves are viable if you have them and want to get away with fewer upgrades.

edit - I'm talking about upped staves, in case you've got them from FGs. Looks like that bit got lost while editing.

[jmdt]

I just built the deck with -1 Sword -1 Pendulum +1 Staff +1 Epinephrine as both cards had supporters in the thread and they let me get to business with two less upgrades. Epinephrine was horrible and I replaced it as soon as I got up to 1500. Staff seemed ok - sometimes better, sometimes worse than a Sword. Probably a little worse overall and I'll soon get that second Sword too, but I'd say that Staves are viable if you have them and want to get away with fewer upgrades.

Yep, without upgrades, the staff will be much better than the sword if you need a weapon although I'd use the pillar until I can updrade a sword.

Generally the sword if faster, but the staff gives a bit better EM rate.

[Polari]

Yep, without upgrades, the staff will be much better than the sword if you need a weapon although I'd use the pillar until I can updrade a sword.

Generally the sword if faster, but the staff gives a bit better EM rate.

I meant upgraded versions, as I had a bunch of upped staves lying around from not selling my FG drops. The only uses you're ever going to have for an upped sword are a handful of rush decks so I see some value in skipping that specific one. Maybe it's just me though.

[Acsabi44]

I wonder how much faster this is with the new AI hi-speed option.

[jmdt]

I haven't tested, but it will definately increase score/electrum per hour.

Zanz is so great.

[Acsabi44]

I haven't tested, but it will definately increase score/electrum per hour.

Zanz is so great.

It's about 10 seconds faster for me on average.

[The_Mormegil]

Anybody tried Mitosis in this?

[willng3]

Anybody tried Mitosis in this?

girlsgeneration posted a "Neo-USEM" quite some time ago which replaces 1 Long Sword for a Tower and the Cockatrice for Mitosis.  There have been good reports on it thus far, but I have my doubts about the consistency; with Mitosis finally being available in the bazaar I plan to see for myself.

[jmdt]

With the expensie of Mitosis, I would have to shink it would slow the deck.  Also, frogs only have 3 hp, so a mitofrog is very easily killable.

[Higurashi]

Mm.. let's see.. Neo-USEM has no CC bait, so Frogs will be CC'd when they're played right off the bat. I don't think 6 copies of Mitosis are necessary or optimal. Another downside is costing 4 when upped.. this'd be an auxiliary card in USEM much like a Dragon would be.

Something with 3 Cocks and 3 Mitosis would be smarter against these Elders if you only consider winrate, or even 4 Cocks/2 Mitosis. It doesn't make much of an impact though, because the two main problems are these:

Shield lockdown with Wings, Dim Shield and Hope.
Excessive CC, such as Pandemonium, Maxwell's Demon, Shockwave, Lightning and Rage Potion/Red Nymph (AI is too dumb with Oty).

Adding Mitosis solves neither and slows the deck down. With less speed, you'll be -even- more likely to let the Elders get set up. Conclusion: with 4 cost, it's not practical for speed at all.

Upsides: late-game when you often have tons of , a Mitosis will be more useful than yet another cockatrice. Often you'll find you're doing enough damage to finish in two or three turns, at which point adding more doesn't help. With Mitosis, you could ramp that damage up faster and maybe shave a turn off in some cases.