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Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1032894#msg1032894
« on: January 17, 2013, 12:53:15 pm »
I do not know whether this is a bug or just my bad luck, so I post it here.

I steal an upgraded Ice shield from my opponent, and in the next two turns, while there is 3 creature in his desk, but all 6 attacks doesn't trigger the frozen effect

Is that only cause by bad luck? :(

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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1032897#msg1032897
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 12:59:32 pm »
Yep I think it is bad luck, at least when I steal them they tend to work just fine.
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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1032901#msg1032901
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 01:28:34 pm »
6 times 50%... that's really not too unlikely...

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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1033357#msg1033357
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 03:29:04 pm »
6 times 50%... that's really not too unlikely...
Yes it is. You have a 0.5^6 .100% chance to do that. That's 1.56%
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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1033362#msg1033362
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 03:35:34 pm »
Yeah I know, EtG's RNG is little.. just not perfect.
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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1033378#msg1033378
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2013, 04:12:06 pm »
Yes it is. You have a 0.5^6 .100% chance to do that. That's 1.56%

No, it is not (unlikely). You have 5000 players playing 50 games a day. (random numbers obv.) If everyone opens a thread when Ice Shield freezes 0/6, Dusk Mantle dodges 0/6, Pandemonium kills 0/x etc. you could shut this part of the forum down.

Yeah I know, EtG's RNG is little.. just not perfect.

The opposite is true It's perfect RNG, because things like this happen.

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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1033384#msg1033384
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2013, 04:50:25 pm »
The Ice shield only has 30% freeze though.
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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1034645#msg1034645
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 06:47:50 am »
RNG trolls you sometimes. Remember that theoretical probabilities only apply on average (large intervals).
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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1034692#msg1034692
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 11:40:12 am »
Also note that the Freeze effect will never proc if the attack is fully blocked by the shield's basic damage reduction effect to begin with (or if the attack is for negative damage, if I recall correctly).
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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1038088#msg1038088
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 06:37:02 am »
I have try again and the stolen shield take effect this time

Maybe I am bad luck again, the chance of freeze is only 20%~25%

You can see the screenshot bellow:
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Steel an ice shield
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2 Attack / 0 Freeze
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3 Attack / 1 Freeze
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3 Attack / 1 Freeze
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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1038166#msg1038166
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 03:32:50 pm »
Again, your sample size was 4. 1/4 = 25%, but it's not a very good statistic. If it was 1000/4000, you'd have a better cause for argument. I know there was once a similar issue with dusk mantle, but zanzarino set up a tester as a proof. Not sure if its still there.
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Re: Stolen Ice shield take no effect? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46054.msg1038206#msg1038206
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 06:04:33 pm »
Law of Large Numbers applies here. That 30% freeze chance will work out in the (very) long run.

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