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Rainbow Decks / Re: GAEM: Giant Amphibi'EM v2.0
« on: March 04, 2011, 06:22:32 pm »
Head-to-head comparison after 100 games of 3-heal version vs. 4-heal version of GAEMs.

4 Heal GAEM:

Games: 100
Wins: 95
Win %: 95%
EMs: 65
EM %: 65%
TTW: 7.4632
TSE: 1195.916 score/hr (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21923.msg300098#msg300098)
3 Heal GAEM:

Games: 100
Wins: 93
Win %: 93%
EMs: 55
EM %: 55%
TTW: 7.2151
TSE: 1088.248 score/hr (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21923.msg300098#msg300098)

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Rainbow Decks / Re: TADA Blue - Total Domination Returns! - AI3 EM Farmer
« on: March 04, 2011, 05:34:37 pm »
Quote from: wavedash on March 04, 2011, 05:27:44 pm
To be honest, I don't really like this deck. Abyss Crawlers don't have the Momentum that make Chargers so powerful against the AI's Procrastination and Wings. Crawlers aren't even that good in terms of damage per quantum.
Crawlers work a bit better than Chargers because they don't compete with the black holes for quanta in the original TADA.  It also frees up an extra spot for an additional damage dealer.  The extra black hole is missed a bit, as is the ability to play the BH on demand, but I think the additional damage makes up for this deficiency.

In actuality, Crawlers have a better damage per quanta than Chargers and the idea is that momentum is not needed because the domination should help to prevent any nasty perms in most cases.

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Rainbow Decks / TADA Blue - Total Domination Returns! - AI3 EM Farmer
« on: March 04, 2011, 05:20:02 pm »
For those that took issues with the original TADA (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21706.msg296927#msg296927) due to quanta distribution issues/need for more consistent damage....

I present... TADA Blue:
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6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u5 6u5 6u5 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 74f 74f 77g 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ds 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7jr 80g 8pp


1.27 stats:

200 games:
Wins: 194
Win Pct: 97%
TTW: 7.5619
EMs: 144
EM Rate: 72%
TSE: 1318.9958 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21923.msg300098#msg300098)
Enjoy!

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General Discussion / Re: AI3 EM True Efficiency Study ver. 2.0 (1.27)
« on: March 03, 2011, 07:29:42 am »
Some people had expressed a desire to help out, so I will link the spreadsheet I use to googledocs.

TSE Document (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Am2NpVDyToyBdDlCRnFjcFZKTXpIUnJZajNNM19xMHc&hl=en&authkey=CIPAiLsO#)

It calculates TSE automatically for you.

50 games of each deck and posting would be a great place to start.

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General Discussion / Re: AI3 EM True Efficiency Study ver. 2.0 (1.27)
« on: March 01, 2011, 06:24:58 pm »
Upgraded Deck Efficiency



-TADAbow (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,22518.msg304907#msg304907): TSE: 1387.192/hr, Games: 200, Score Change: +6294, Electrum Change: +8089, Total Time:  242.2333 mins, Deck by - kirchj33
5 Quantum Tower, 6 Supernova, 3 Discord, 1 Flesh Recluse, 3 Black Hole, 2 Elite Graboid, 4 Improved Heal, 1 Lava Destroyer, 2 Abyss Crawler, 1 Elite Pegasus, 1 Gargoyle, 1 Phase Recluse, Entropy Mark.
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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u5 6u5 6u5 713 74f 74f 74f 77g 77g 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7dq 7gm 7gm 7jr 7tf 80g
RawRate
Games200
Win19798.5%
EM16984.5%
Avg. TTW7.6294
Avg. Time72.67 secs
Total Time4.0372 hrs
Total Score6294
IG Score Eff1558.993/hr
True Score Eff.1387.192/hr
TTW
41
56
651
757
838
918
106
1110
125
133
141
151
160
170
180
190
200

-USEM (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10563.0.html): TSE: 1386.2083/hr, Games: 200, Score Change: +5824, Electrum Change: +7559, Total Time:  222.083 mins, Deck by - jmdt
5 Emerald Tower, 5 Life Pendulum, 2 Long Sword, 6 Giant Frog, 6 Elite Cockatrice, 6 Improved Heal, Life Mark.
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6rk 6rk 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu
RawRate
Games200
Win19396.5%
EM15175.5%
Avg. TTW7.0777
Avg. Time66.625 secs
Total Time3.7014 hrs
Total Score5824
IG Score Eff1573.4634/hr
True Score Eff.1386.2083/hr
TTW
40
522
673
740
825
915
107
114
123
133
141
150
160
170
180
190
200

-Disc' EM (DEM) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23307.msg316979#msg316979): TSE: 1386.09/hr, Games: 200, Score Change: +6001, Electrum Change: +7821, Total Time:  229.7667 mins, Deck by - kirchj33
5 Amethyst Tower, 6 Supernova, 1 Amethyst Dragon, 2 Werewolf, 3 Discord, 1 Flesh Recluse, 2 Black Hole, 1 Elite Graboid, 3 Improved Heal, 1 Minor Phoenix, 1 Abyss Crawler, 1 Elite Pegasus, 1 Phase Recluse, Entropy Mark.
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4ve 4ve 6ts 6ts 6ts 6ts 6ts 6tv 6u1 6u1 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u5 6u5 6u5 713 74f 74f 77g 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ds 7gm 7jr 80g
RawRate
Games200
Win19698%
EM15175.5%
Avg. TTW7.62245
Avg. Time68.93 secs
Total Time3.8294 hrs
Total Score6001
IG Score Eff1567.068/hr
True Score Eff.1386.09/hr
TTW
40
513
638
752
854
916
1011
113
125
130
142
152
160
170
180
190
200

-TADA Blue (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,22147.msg302391#msg302391): TSE: 1318.9958/hr, Games: 200, Score Change: +5823, Electrum Change: +7603, Total Time:  234.8833 mins, Deck by - kirchj33
6 Supernova, 3 Discord, 6 Entropy Pendulum, 1 Flesh Recluse, 2 Black Hole, 1 Graboid, 3 Improved Heal, 1 Minor Phoenix, 5 Abyss Crawler, 1 Elite Pegasus, 1 Phase Recluse, Water Mark.
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6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u5 6u5 6u5 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 74f 74f 77g 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ds 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7jr 80g
RawRate
Games200
Win19497%
EM14472%
Avg. TTW7.5619
Avg. Time70.465 secs
Total Time234.8833 hrs
Total Score5823
IG Score Eff1487.4619/hr
True Score Eff.1318.9958/hr
TTW
40
513
642
743
855
921
109
118
121
130
141
150
161
170
180
190
200

-Aerial Smooshing (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21643.msg295915#msg295915): TSE: 1234.7089/hr, Games: 200, Score Change: +5502, Electrum Change: +7232, Total Time: 237.3667 mins, Deck by - kirchj33
10 Wind Tower, 6 Damselfly, 6 Azure Dragon, 2 Long Sword, 6 Improved Heal, Life Mark.
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6rk 6rk 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ms 7ms 7ms 7ms 7ms 7ms 7ms 7ms 7ms 7ms 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mv 7mv 7mv 7mv 7mv 7mv
RawRate
Games200
Win18994.5%
EM13467%
Avg. TTW7.6455
Avg. Time71.21 secs
Total Time3.9561 hrs
Total Score5502
IG Score Eff1390.7597/hr
True Score Eff.1234.7089/hr
TTW
40
56
644
760
836
914
1016
117
122
132
141
150
161
170
180
190
200

-GAEM: Giant Amphibi'EM (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21620.msg295673#msg295673): TSE: 1168.041/hr, Games: 200, Score Change: +5470, Electrum Change: +6985, Total Time: 250.9833 mins, Deck by - jmdt
6 Supernova, 6 Entropy Pendulum, 3 Chaos Power, 1 Flesh Recluse, 1 Elite Graboid, 4 Giant Frogs, 4 Improved Heal, 1 Minor Phoenix, 1 Abyss Crawler, 1 Elite Pegasus, 2 Vampire Dagger, 1 Phase Recluse, Life Mark.
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6u2 6u2 6u2 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 77g 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ds 7gm 7jr 7tb 7tb 80g
RawRate
Games200
Win19296%
EM12964.5%
Avg. TTW7.6094
Avg. Time75.295 secs
Total Time4.1831 hrs
Total Score5470
IG Score Eff1307.657/hr
True Score Eff.1168.041/hr
TTW
48
524
650
728
823
926
1010
1110
122
133
143
152
161
172
180
190
200

-Smokey Bear- "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires" (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21375.msg291949#msg291949): TSE: 1132.644/hr, Games: 200, Score Change: +5510, Electrum Change: +7163, Total Time: 261.8833 mins, Deck by - kirchj33
2 Crimson Dragon, 2 Phoenix, 1 Long Sword, 2 Giant Frog, 6 Improved Heal, 6 Cremation, 4 Minor Phoenix, 6 Damselfly, Earth Mark.
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5f2 5f2 5fc 5fc 6rk 7ae 7ae 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt
RawRate
Games200
Win18994.5%
EM13668%
Avg. TTW7.3757
Avg. Time78.565 secs
Total Time4.3647 hrs
Total Score5510
IG Score Eff1262.394/hr
True Score Eff.1132.644/hr
TTW
49
528
652
730
827
913
106
115
1210
134
143
150
161
170
181
190
200

-SCEM (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18665.0.html): TSE: 1124.916/hr, Games: 200, Score Change: +5014, Electrum Change: +6509, Total Time: 237.4333 mins, Deck by - jmdt
6 Entropy Pendulum, 6 Supernova, 3 Chaos Power, 4 Elite Charger, 1 Flesh Recluse, 1 Elite Graboid, 3 Improved Heal, 1 Minor Phoenix, 1 Abyss Crawler, 1 Elite Pegasus, 2 Vampire Dagger, 1 Phase Recluse, Gravity Mark.
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6u2 6u2 6u2 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 745 745 745 745 77g 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ds 7gm 7jr 7tb 7tb 80g
RawRate
Games200
Win18994.5%
EM10954.5%
Avg. TTW7.1376
Avg. Time71.23 secs
Total Time3.9572 hrs
Total Score5014
IG Score Eff1267.05/hr
True Score Eff.1124.916/hr
TTW
45
529
643
746
829
919
105
118
123
131
141
150
160
170
180
190
200

*All time statistics include those from losses (except TTW of course)
** Decks posted in order of efficiency, top to bottom.
***Some decks that were less efficient from AI3 True Efficiency Study ver. 1.0 (1.26) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21530.msg294197#msg294197) were removed with the interest of only including the top AI3 score farmers.

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General Discussion / AI3 EM True Efficiency Study ver. 2.0 (1.27)
« on: March 01, 2011, 06:23:55 pm »
While TTW data is a useful statistic, it only tells part of the story for score gain. Hence, data tracking should evolve towards efficiency.

If anyone has any suggestions as to how the entire community could get involved this time, please post below.

One idea I had was that I could list each deck (it will probably be around 10) that will be tested for efficiency and each person that wants to participate can do 50 games. If data is taken in equal proportions, time based data should be normalized. The only problem I forsee with this is how new v. 1.27 EM decks would be tested for efficiency when added.

Similar to the Fgei (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) used to calculate efficiency in false god farming, what needs to be calculated are the following:
A=Score Change
B=Total Time

The equations used would both be simple as a result:

Score/Time=A/B

*Note that time for losses should also be recorded for this to work.




As an example, I played USEM (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10563.0.html) for 50 games:
A=+1482
B=3972 secs/60/60=1.1033 hrs

Score/Time=1343.2430 score/hr       (1)

We will call this measure In-Game Score Efficiency (1)


You may say, however,  this is not the true efficiency!

You would be correct, as this number does not calculate time between games.  So let's take this one step further (all numbers from here are hypothetical, as I did not calculate actual time played when doing some statistical analysis of USEM way back when).  For this we need total time played.

To calculate this, you would write down the time you began playing, and the time you stopped to determine a total time played.  Let's say you were uber accurate and calculated this, down to the exact second.  (Taking the data I used above and adding a hypothetical 9 seconds between games(end game screen + spins + selecting level 3 at menu)):

*Important Note*- I believe this is better as an estimate, as when you are recording data opposed to farming, you will need time not included in the study to record data.  9 seconds between games should be used to standardize all data.

C=Total Time=4422 secs or 1.2283 hrs

We then have the following:
A/C=1206.5456 score/hr      (2)

The would represent our True Score Efficiency (2).  This latter "True" efficiency calculation helps normalize data for those decks which farm for speed and for those which are focused on speed + EM's.

In summary:

USEM (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10563.0.html) (50 games)
In-Game Score Efficiency1343.243/hr
True Score Efficiency1206.546/hr
I believe 200 games, similar to jmdt's (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3818) TTW Study 3.0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21865.msg299818#msg299818), should be the standard.  I will only be tracking upped decks as those are the only ones that work reliably for EMs.

I will continue to work on the data myself, as it was suggested that time-based efficiency is best performed by one person, as player patience and computer speed can vary quite a bit from person to person.

*I will post Efficiency data in score/hr below as that seems to be the easiest to conceptualize.
**Stats recorded on Fast AI with High Quality

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Rainbow Decks / Re: GAEM: Giant Amphibi'EM v2.0
« on: March 01, 2011, 05:43:20 am »
Added stats for GAEM to the True Efficiency Study (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21530.msg294199#msg294199).  Pretty solid through 50 games.

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Duo-Decks / Froggie Charge'EM (FCEM) - AI3 EM Deck
« on: February 28, 2011, 02:08:19 pm »
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6rl 6rl 744 745 745 745 745 745 745 75m 7ac 7ac 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 8pl


This just makes sense to me to combine the best elder rush creature with the best overall elder creature in a duo.  Frogs for early damage, chargers for late.  Quanta balance works well because early life goes to frogs, late goes to heals.

Early suggestions:

1.  May consider all pendulums.
2.  May consider long sword > gavel regardless of gravity mark.

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Rainbow Decks / Re: Olympic Gold in Diving - AI3 EM Farming
« on: February 28, 2011, 05:26:59 am »
Quote from: Essence on February 27, 2011, 03:33:08 pm
Keep both Pegasai -- remove a Wyrm.  Even with the Air Mark and Pendulums, 4 is massive overkill.
4 is massive overkill, but the idea is to get even one out, then buff the crap out of it, dive, win.  Preferably you will buff a pegasus over a wyrm, but I believe the 4 should remain there to increase your odds of an early draw, not because you will be able to utilize the quanta.  Same reason 2 pegasi are probably superior to 1 + blessing.  In actuality, you prefer to make the pegasus the star, but wyrms are your backup plan.  That being said, its probably not the most efficient PSNbow in the work, but it works quickly when it is.  I will do some testing with it at some point soon.

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Duo-Decks / Re: Black Dagger Brotherhood - Entropy/Darkness AI3 EM Deck
« on: February 28, 2011, 03:12:16 am »
Quote from: jmdt on February 28, 2011, 02:23:14 am
Quote from: kirchj33 on February 28, 2011, 02:15:44 am
Anyways, I wasn't sure if something like this was posted before, so I thought I would throw it out there.
If you do a search with the codes for the 2-3 main cards in the deck you can see what similar decks are posted.
Found one that was similar, but nothing that plays as basic and monkey-like as this, just to credit it:

Jen-i made a FG competition deck called The Nightbringer (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18714.msg258748#msg258748)

This deck  I posted could probably use a couple dusk mantles in order to EM more consistently or something.

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Duo-Decks / Black Dagger Brotherhood - Entropy/Darkness AI3 EM Deck
« on: February 28, 2011, 02:15:44 am »
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6u1 6u1 6u1 6u1 6u1 6u1 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u2 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 7t4 7t4 7tb 7tb 7td 7td 7td 7td 7td 7td 7um 7um 8pt


This is very close to being a great deck.  It's fast, it's got great healing.  It just lacks a final heal. 

Other options are:
1. Holy flash - not really a good heal
2. Siphon Life - Doesn't generate enough quanta for a final heal
3. Luciferin - Not great either
4. Healing - Not really a deck spot for it, and would need to change mark.

Anyways, I wasn't sure if something like this was posted before, so I thought I would throw it out there.

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Rainbow Decks / Vaderbow Saderbow - AI3 EM Deck
« on: February 28, 2011, 01:59:09 am »
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6u2 6u2 6u2 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 77g 7ai 7ai 7dm 7dm 7gm 7k5 7k5 7k5 7k5 7n2 7tb 7tb 80g 8pq


I think this is not better than my vampire deck.  The combo is a bit unreliable to pull off unless you go full on vader sader.

Influences:


Vader Sader (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18038.msg245337#msg245337)

Dracula Attacula (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21720.msg297137#msg297137)

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