Round 1 - Salvages / Discards / 12 extra cards from propaganda

[GG]

NOTE : Only PF and I can touch the vault. @PF : organize the vault once this thread is complete.

We will mostly discard pillars. We have tons of gravity pillars put in, mostly because we didn't think we would be using this many pendulums. Besides, we can convert 12 every round anyway.

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576 576 576 5l8 5l8 5la 5la 5li 5li 5li 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rs 5rsSalvage 9 (Napalm Grenade 2 - 0 suxerz)
3x Gravity Pendulum, 2 eternity, 4 reverse time

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5bu 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c5 5c6 5c6 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61q 61q 622 622 622 622 622 622Salvage 9 (PhantomFox 2 - 0 suxerz)
6x Fractal, 2x Lightning, 1x Druidic Staff

We didn't pack Fractal, and they just dropped from the sky. o_o

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55m 55m 55t 55t 55t 55t 55u 55u 55u 55u 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fcDiscard 6 (Memorystick 0 - 2 QuantumT)
4x fire eaters, 2x armagio[/b]

A rather hard to figure out what to discard. We want to keep pendulums, so keep them. I'm currently up for discarding . Opinions?

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Discard 6 (GirlsGeneration 0 - 2 kevkev60614)
4x Gravity pillar, 2x armagio

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55n 55n 55s 55s 55v 55v 576 576 576 576 5og 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5ooDiscard 6 (smiley56 1 - 2 Skydaemon)
4x Gravity Pillar, 2x Graviton Mercenary[/b]

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55n 55n 55v 55v 576 576 61o 61o 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61tDiscard 6 (Indrejue 0 - 2 xdude)
2x Gravity Pillar, 2x black hole, 2x Graviton Mercenary[/b]

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55q 55q 55q 55r 55r 55r 55s 55s 55v 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lcDiscard 6 (cebra 0 - 2 plastiqe)
2x Gravity Pillar, 3x Otyugh, 1 Black Hole[/b]

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55n 55n 55n 55q 55q 55q 55q 55r 55r 55r 55s 55s 55s 55t 55t 5i7 5i7 5i7 5ia 5ia 5iaDiscard 6 (cebra 0 - 2 plastiqe)
2 Momentum, 2 Titan, 2 Otyugh[/b]

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55n 55n 55n 55q 55q 55s 55s 55s 55t 55t 5i7 5i7 5i7 5ia 5ia 5ia 74b 74b 74bDiscard 6 (Jumbalumba 0 - 2 Shantu)
2x Gravity pull, 1x titan, 2 Graviton Merc, 1 otyugh



And extra 12 cards from propaganda...

current choice : 3 ice shield, 2 Rain of Fire, 4 blessing, 3 steal





Total Salvaging/Discarding

-12 gravity pillar
+3 Gravity pendulum
-4 fireeaters
-4 armagio
-6 graviton mercenary
-3 black hole
-6 otyugh
-2 momentum
-3 titan
-2 gravity pull


+2 eternity
+4 reverse time


+6 fractal
+2 lightning


+1 druidic staff

[~Napalm]

Well... seeing as we're salvaging 3 pendulums, we could get rid of 3 to save better cards. But we might need all the pendulums we can get... just a thought. Also... Pharaoh + Dune Scorps doesn't work... I tried it. Either a) You've won by the time the scarabs can eat anything or b) You use all pendulums and don't have enough gravity quanta. I like the fractals "dropping from the sky"

[Indrejue]

some of the names in the list are wrong in match ups

[~Napalm]

Napalms Win:

3x Gravity Pendulums - We would not be hurt by having a few more of these
3x Miracle - We can use these eventually, possibly vs darkness if we pair them with holy light.
3x ???

The last 3 are hard We could grab 3 Light Pendulums to act as pillars to help run Miracle.
Otherwise, we have to pick 2 and 1. (How useful will more reverse times really be?)
One possibility is grabbing both of the Eternity and spam reverse times against somebody.
Another Possibility is grabbing both Pharaoh.
Or we could grab both sundials and use them in a partially upgraded Miracle Stall.
All 3 options leave 1 extra that can really be anything. We could possibly only take 2 pendulums or Miracles to allow us to avoid the 1 filler salvage option.

Of these I'm actually leaning towards the Eternity.

Discards are looking fine to me, as is phantoms win.

[PhantomFox]

I think we had another loss, so we're now at 2-4. 
I would take 3 grav pends, the three Miracles, 2 Pharoahs (if we can't use them now, we can use them later once we salvage more cards), and an Eternity

From my win, I agree with GG.  Possibly consider taking some Feral Bonds, but unless we start building a swarm deck, they're not that important.

[Memorystick]

According to this thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14512.0.html), I'm the one who's supposed to start this I was waiting for all our duels to finish first.

As was noticed by indrejue, some of the match-ups are incorrect:

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6x Fractal, 2x Lightning, 1x Druidic Staff

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55m 55m 55t 55t 55t 55t 55u 55u 55u 55u 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fcDiscard 6 (Indrejue 0 - 2 QuantumT)
2x immolation, 2x fire eaters, and 2x armagio

First one should be PhantomFox 2 - 0 RatchetSpyro94, second one should be Memorystick 0 - 2 QuantumT (or did I fail so hard I didn't deserve to be named? )

Now, for salvaging:

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576 576 576 5l8 5l8 5la 5la 5li 5li 5li 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rs 5rsSalvage 9 (Napalm Grenade 2 - 0 suxerz)
3x Gravity Pendulum

I'm thinking 3X miracle, 2X pharaoh, 1X eternity, or 2X miracle, 2X pharaoh, 2X eternity

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5bu 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c5 5c6 5c6 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61q 61q 622 622 622 622 622 622Salvage 9 (PhantomFox 2 - 0 RatchetSpyro94)
6x Fractal, 2x Lightning, 1x Druidic Staff

That sounds fine to me.

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55m 55m 55t 55t 55t 55t 55u 55u 55u 55u 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fcDiscard 6 (Memorystick 0 - 2 QuantumT)
2x immolation, 2x fire eaters, and 2x armagio

Perhaps 1X immolation, 1X gravity pull? I don't think it would be a good idea to lose too many immolations- we only have 6 in the vault currently.

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Discard 6 (GirlsGeneration 0 - 2 kevkev60614)
4x Gravity pillar, 2x ? (1x armagio, 1x momentum? 2x armagio?)

We do NOT want to lose momentum- we already had too few and had to change napalm's deck because of it.
I'm thinking 1X poison, 1X either armagio or pendulum.

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55n 55n 55s 55s 55v 55v 576 576 576 576 5og 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5ooDiscard 6 (smiley56 1 - 2 Skydaemon)
4x Gravity Pillar, 2x Graviton Mercenary

Sounds fine to me.

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55n 55n 55v 55v 576 576 61o 61o 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61tDiscard 6 (indrejue 0 - 2 xdude)
??
I'm thinking 1X black hole, 1X graviton mercenary, 1X sapphire charger, 3X pillars


And now for the propaganda bonus...

And extra 12 cards from propaganda...

I personally want Steals. We have devourers and liquid shadow, and steals would be even better additions.

Someone also mentioned that we may want more shields, but the problem is, what shields? Maybe Fire shield or Thorn caparace for some stall?

Discuss.

We need damage-reduction shields, like ice or emerald, or perhaps even procrastination. I feel really uncomfortable with temporary shields, like phase shield, or conditional shields, like our own gravity shield, but no damage-reduction shields to fall back on. Of course, fire shield/thorn carapace have their merits too- making it easier for otyugh to eat enemy creatures, for example. Personally, I'd like to see either A) something cheap (besides fire eaters) to immolate, or B) some novas, but that will depend on how our remaining matches go. Another option would be blessings (how could we have missed that?) to make oty bigger, but again, that depends on how our remaining matches go.

[GG]

Fixed the mistakes.
@Memory no, i just got confused of all these events in general.


Yes.... Ice Shield would be fun.

3x Ice Shield
3x Steal
4x Blessing
2x Fire Shield or Thorn Shield

This for 12 new cards? Discuss again.

[Indrejue]

i would go with fire most battles are not long enough for thorn to really pick up and it is not as stable damage

[~Napalm]

Changing my deck may have been for the better. Of all the match ups this round, only one was a less fortunate match up, Earth/Light Stall vs Discord/Earth Graboid Rush. One thing to keep in mind... GRABOID + NOVA IS EVERYWHERE!!!

*cries* We still lack novas 

[Memorystick]

Fixed the mistakes.
@Memory no, i just got confused of all these events in general.


Yes.... Ice Shield would be fun.

3x Ice Shield
3x Steal
4x Blessing
2x Fire Shield or Thorn Shield

This for 12 new cards? Discuss again.

I was joking about not being named, hence the ""

Again, I feel that we might need something <=1 quanta to immolate, or novas, but again, it depends on how our remaining matches go. As for everything else, if we salvage some steals from team , then we might be able to make room for other stuff, but otherwise it all looks fine to me

i would go with fire most battles are not long enough for thorn to really pick up and it is not as stable damage

I think it's a toss-up between the two- it only takes two hits for thorn carapace to out-damage fire shield, but the 75% chance does make things iffy. If we want growing damage- thorn carapace; if we want definite damage- fire shield.

[~Napalm]

Tentative Totals:

Drop: (-24)	Pick up: (+30)
12x Gravity Pillar 4x Mercenary 4x Armagio 2x Fire Eater 2x Immolation	3x Gravity Pendulum 3x Miracle 2x Pharaoh 1x Eternity 6x Fractal 2x Lighting 1x Druidic Staff 3x Steal 3x Ice Shield 4x Blessing 2x Fire Shield

[Memorystick]

You've still got PF vs suxerz, it was PF vs RatchetSpyro94 >_>