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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443841#msg443841
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2011, 06:06:50 am »
Extremely easy and effective nerf:  replace "a permanent" with "one of your own permanents"   :P
Which completely destroys this card. that would send it from OP to UP in a heartbeat, no one would use it.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443843#msg443843
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2011, 06:22:48 am »
Extremely easy and effective nerf:  replace "a permanent" with "one of your own permanents"   :P
That'd make it one of the worst cards out there. I suppose your idea of nerfing supernova would be to give your opponent 24 quanta and to nerf creatures you'd just invert their attacks.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443844#msg443844
« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2011, 06:29:03 am »
I'm pretty sure that was a joke, guys.  That's what :P usually means. :)
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443869#msg443869
« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2011, 07:53:26 am »
It seems to me that changing the text to "delay permanent or permanent stack for 2 turns, 3 if your mark is  :gravity " will work well enough. Yes I suggest that it work on permanent stacks, but in those it affects similarly to how delay + adrenaline works. If this delays for 3 turns, and is used on a stack of 4 SoG's, then it will only delay 3 of them, and the fourth will heal.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443873#msg443873
« Reply #52 on: December 31, 2011, 08:00:02 am »
This in mono-life with mitosis would just be plain scary.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443887#msg443887
« Reply #53 on: December 31, 2011, 09:03:41 am »
I get the feeling that Mitosis will get a non-shard clause added to accompany its non-weapon clause.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443894#msg443894
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2011, 09:44:09 am »
If everyone thinks this is OP provide nerf suggestions and perhaps we need to vote on what is best.
All depends on how much we can change in this card. A lot of Players think that PC skill for everyone is OP, so changing card cost, ability cost, Attack/Hp do nothing for them. I understand Players, because it is too easy destroy permament today and tomorrow it will be easier. We want some kind of soft PC. Destroy isn't soft, it is a hard type of PC.
Personally I think that this Shard should destroy ONLY shield and/or weapon (and maybe it should be random). It will be still very powerful, but cards like Pillars/Towers, FeralBond, SoulCatcher etc. will be still in game. In original conception it is too big nerf for weaker elements like :light (Sanctuary), :life (Feral Bond). What is more - Sanctuary now will be unuseful against BlackHole and Gravity decks. You can have 6 Sanc in deck and all will be easy destroy by SoF. For me it is too much OP things in this card.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443896#msg443896
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2011, 10:04:06 am »
I get the feeling that Mitosis will get a non-shard clause added to accompany its non-weapon clause.
Nope. Weapons require Flying Weapon to be used along with them to turn them into creatures, and Fractal is useless with them. Shard of Focus is an ordinary creature, so there is no reason why Mitosis shouldn't work with it (especially considering Fractal does).
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443916#msg443916
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2011, 12:35:14 pm »
A nice balancing effect would be
"destroy target permanent and cast a nova for the opponent"
this makes the card very tricky to play (a card that rewards good playing skills is a great card, like RT) since it could backfire. But if you manage to pull it off then the BH reward will be great in the end.

Also it limits the amount of decks  against the SoF is worth playing.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443933#msg443933
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2011, 02:47:44 pm »
-As it's still in development, try not to freak out if you think it's Overpowered.
Yeap. As you said it yourself, its pretty god**** OP.

I feel it's too powerful. It's basically 3 :rainbow for 4 deflags in 4 turns. Any deck can use it and it only makes :rainbows even more powerful by giving it this huge PC advantage and free black holes.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443956#msg443956
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2011, 04:53:40 pm »
Thought of a simple fix:

Allow it to destroy only non-quanta producing permanents. 

You'll be able to have the permanent control you want, but not totally destroy on any pillar using decks if you get it out turn 1.  This will make its use strictly worse than butterfly effect and having this limitation seems balanced to its re-usability.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443969#msg443969
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2011, 06:05:04 pm »
A nice balancing effect would be
"destroy target permanent and cast a nova for the opponent"
this makes the card very tricky to play (a card that rewards good playing skills is a great card, like RT) since it could backfire. But if you manage to pull it off then the BH reward will be great in the end.

Also it limits the amount of decks  against the SoF is worth playing.
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