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Graviton Salvager | Graviton Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1025004#msg1025004
« on: December 23, 2012, 02:57:29 pm »


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« Last Edit: January 06, 2013, 02:41:57 am by Xenocidius »
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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1026229#msg1026229
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 01:38:05 am »
Salvage is interesting, but I believe this card will be a niche/fun card like reflective shield. The main problem I see is that the most powerful permanents are all slow. Having yet another slow card to protect your slow permanents is going to make you even more delicious to rushes. The other side of this coin is that this card is useless to rushes which often have no permanents, or don't rely on their permanents.

If salvagers had middling attack then they might get used in rainbows, but I don't think their utility is enough to justify 0 attack.

I personally think these cards would be much more interesting with a middling to strong attack in addition to their niche ability -- somewhere between mind flayers and spiders.

But maybe we will see one salvager in a deck that countains 3-4 permanents and a large number of creatures. The idea would be that the enemy will have more important targets for CC than the salvager, which will allow the salvager to keep the permanents in play. Without the salvager, those permanents would get eaten by the enemy's typical 3 PC.

I guess this salvager might be pretty nice in combo with cloak (except vs. steal :( ).
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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1026328#msg1026328
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 09:05:15 am »
Salvager + Phase shield = infinite phase shield?, an quintesence here isn't unexpected either.

Steal your own permanent + salvage to duplicate them?

Sun dial?


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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1026329#msg1026329
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 09:08:41 am »
Salvager + Phase shield = infinite phase shield?, an quintesence here isn't unexpected either.

Steal your own permanent + salvage to duplicate them?

Sun dial?


Can be fun  ;)

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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1026372#msg1026372
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 05:30:44 pm »
I see this card becoming a staple in Catatitans. ;)
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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1026445#msg1026445
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 10:40:52 pm »
Salvager + Phase shield = infinite phase shield?, an quintesence here isn't unexpected either.

Steal your own permanent + salvage to duplicate them?

Sun dial?


Can be fun  ;)

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What if for some strange reason, they destroyed their own permanent?
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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1026481#msg1026481
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 12:44:59 am »

What if for some strange reason, they destroyed their own permanent?

Possibly Shard of Patience???

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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1026491#msg1026491
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 01:26:48 am »

What if for some strange reason, they destroyed their own permanent?

Possibly Shard of Patience???

Good example, but still the puzzle persists.

How long until we get to test these things in the trainer?
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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1028165#msg1028165
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2013, 11:10:29 pm »
Previous Stats:
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0 | 5
 :gravity : Salvage to field.

Current Stats:
1 :gravity | 1 :gravity
1 | 5 / 2 | 5
Salvage to hand


This one probably went in the exact opposite direction of its Phase Counterpart - protecting permanents isn't bad when the creature is also a high-HP weenie that can be used for things like Immolation or Acceleration. It might not have enough carrying power to win a game alone with Accel, but its more preferable than the Mercenary in permanent-heavy decks or ones that need cheap rainbow fodder from :gravity . (This may compete with an upgraded mercenary for the same cost slot though.)

Looks promising for CataTitans as mesa suggested, though I think Gravity needs more than this to catch up to some of the better elements mono-wise.
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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1028167#msg1028167
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2013, 11:12:16 pm »
When will the Merc get a buff, anyway? :( )

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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1028191#msg1028191
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 12:21:21 am »
Cloak is also affected by Salvage when AoE is played.

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Re: Graviton salvager | Graviton salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45357.msg1028407#msg1028407
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2013, 04:07:28 pm »
Here's some feedback to both of the salvagers:
In the current state (salvage triggers upon permanent destruction IF the creature is on the field) the gravity one is OP and the aether one is, well, UP. ( :gravity is continuous card advantage while  :aether doesn't really do anything)
Suggestion: Change the ability to ETB. That way both cards would have uses.
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