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ARTHANASIOS · « **on:** April 16, 2015, 07:47:39 pm »

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Description:
Most likely the fastest fully unupped Monogravity deck, Colossal rush is a fairly good CC-resistant (including RT due to tons of

quanta produced but excluding Mutation), PC-resistant (4 copies of Titan allows you to replace a stolen/destroyed one with ease, tons of pillars/pends help against EQ) rush and a good stallbreaker.
With the best possible hand, it can beat AI3 in 7 turns; with an average hand in 8 turns; with a so-so or bad hand in 9 or more turns.

Possible card replacements: -1 pillar/pend or -1 Titan, +1 Chimera (you will almost always have enough quanta to play it and it helps at unfreezing/undelaying your dragons, delaying your demise for a turn or gaining more shield bypass) or +1 BHole (it can help against rainbow rushes).

Xeno's Game Sim

Spoiler for Xeno's Game Sim results against AI3 on Chrome:

omegareaper7 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 17, 2015, 04:59:52 am »

I ran one similar with 6 chargers in place of the titans and 2 pillars that I think is a bit faster on average. However, a cross between the two would be best. 2 pillars 2 titans for chargers. Provides more offense, and still gives a good chance at the weapon.

ARTHANASIOS · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2015, 07:47:15 am »

Quote from: omegareaper7 on April 17, 2015, 04:59:52 am

I ran one similar with 6 chargers in place of the titans and 2 pillars that I think is a bit faster on average. However, a cross between the two would be best. 2 pillars 2 titans for chargers. Provides more offense, and still gives a good chance at the weapon.

I followed your advice and I tested a new mixed version (-1 pillar, -1 pend, -1 Titan, +3 Chargers). It seems a few Chargers help quite a bit. The results are quite phenomenal against AI3.

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After simulating 10,000 games against AI3, I got this:

Player
Wins: 9418
Winrate: 94.18 %
Average TTW: 8.449352304098534
EMs: 1004
EM rate: 10.66043746018263 %

Computer
Wins: 582
Winrate: 5.82 %
Average TTW: 9.785223367697595
EMs: 0
EM rate: 0 %

Physsion · « **Reply #3 on:** April 17, 2015, 08:07:25 am »

These results are absolutely awesome for a completely unupped mono.

I simulated 10000 games against AI3 with the mono gravity deck suggested in Chapuz' Deckbuilding 101 thread.

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The difference is staggering. My simulation of your modified deck against AI level 3 only showed around an 83% winrate, though?

ARTHANASIOS · « **Reply #4 on:** April 17, 2015, 09:19:25 am »

R u sure it was against AI3 and it was up to 10,000 simulations? The 83% winrate result looks closer to the one I got with the 2nd version of Colossal Rush against AI4:

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Btw, I ran more pairs of 10,000 simulations with Xeno's Game Sim (with the aid of the 'cumulative' feature) with the 2nd version of Colossal Rush, yet I didn't manage to see a winrate as low as 84%:

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Physsion · « **Reply #5 on:** April 17, 2015, 01:54:20 pm »

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Any ideas? I'm getting around a 94% winrate against AI2 with it on my end.

Higurashi · « **Reply #6 on:** April 17, 2015, 02:03:08 pm »

Quote from: Physsion on April 17, 2015, 08:07:25 am

These results are absolutely awesome for a completely unupped mono.

I simulated 10000 games against AI3 with the mono gravity deck suggested in Chapuz' Deckbuilding 101 thread.

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Player
Wins: 5161
Winrate: 51.61 %
Average TTW: 12.6950203448944
EMs: 142
EM rate: 2.7514047665181165 %

Computer
Wins: 4839
Winrate: 48.39 %
Average TTW: 12.99297375490804
EMs: 131
EM rate: 2.7071709030791484 %

The difference is staggering. My simulation of your modified deck against AI level 3 only showed around an 83% winrate, though?

AI's not so great with buffs. Since Oty is cheaper, it's gonna be Accelerating the Otys in a lot of games.

I suggested Mercs in chat. Chargers being 4 attack for 5 quanta but being more total offence in the end can be debated I suppose. Additionally, along with Titan, you get pretty decent momentum damage.

Physsion · « **Reply #7 on:** April 17, 2015, 02:42:46 pm »

Quote from: Higurashi on April 17, 2015, 02:03:08 pm

AI's not so great with buffs. Since Oty is cheaper, it's gonna be Accelerating the Otys in a lot of games.

Fair call. Didn't consider the AI using Acceleration on Otys.

willng3 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 17, 2015, 03:32:43 pm »

Quote from: Higurashi on April 17, 2015, 02:03:08 pm

I suggested Mercs in chat. Chargers being 4 attack for 5 quanta but being more total offence in the end can be debated I suppose. Additionally, along with Titan, you get pretty decent momentum damage.

Yeah I'd expect Mercs to have faster TTW overall if it weren't for random games with the Mono Aether Elder and Fog/Duck Mantle/Gravity Pull throwing abnormally long outliers from time to time.

ARTHANASIOS · « **Reply #9 on:** April 17, 2015, 05:00:39 pm »

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What browser do you use? I used the simulator at Internet Explorer and got mine (94%). I used it at Chrome and got yours (83%). Wtf!?!?!?

omegareaper7 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 17, 2015, 05:08:58 pm »

Quote from: ARTHANASIOS on April 17, 2015, 07:47:15 am

Quote from: omegareaper7 on April 17, 2015, 04:59:52 am
I ran one similar with 6 chargers in place of the titans and 2 pillars that I think is a bit faster on average. However, a cross between the two would be best. 2 pillars 2 titans for chargers. Provides more offense, and still gives a good chance at the weapon.
I followed your advice and I tested a new mixed version (-1 pillar, -1 pend, -1 Titan, +3 Chargers). It seems a few Chargers help quite a bit. The results are quite phenomenal against AI3.

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Glad it worked out so well. The version I had I made to be rareless as well, so thats why it had no titans. But I'm sure 2 or 3 would improve the deck quite a bit.

Another thing to consider, which might be a bad idea but wouldn't know without testing, would be to swap 2 more pillars/pends out for more chargers.

After simulating 10,000 games against AI3, I got this:

Player
Wins: 9418
Winrate: 94.18 %
Average TTW: 8.449352304098534
EMs: 1004
EM rate: 10.66043746018263 %

Computer
Wins: 582
Winrate: 5.82 %
Average TTW: 9.785223367697595
EMs: 0
EM rate: 0 %

andretimpa · « **Reply #11 on:** April 17, 2015, 05:49:08 pm »

In firefox, with the deck in the OP

Player
Wins: 8299
Winrate: 82.99 %
Average TTW: 9.693818532353296
EMs: 1090
EM rate: 13.134112543679962 %

Computer
Wins: 1701
Winrate: 17.01 %
Average TTW: 10.592592592592593
EMs: 3
EM rate: 0.1763668430335097 %

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ARTHANASIOS

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