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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Gravity} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1011306#msg1011306
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2012, 06:59:06 pm »
Article for Graviton Fire Eater is now up!
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Thoughts: Eeech. This card is pretty UP and  UU. Everything it does is outshadowed by something else. Charger does better damage. Golem grows faster. Armagio is able to use its hp better. There doesn't really have anything ot fire eater that makes it stand out besides it's 1 :gravity summoning cost. I can see why so many people overlook it. I had a pretty hard time finding a good deck that used more than 2 of these, and one that I found I decided not to include since it used lots of SoFo.

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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Earth} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1011328#msg1011328
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2012, 07:41:26 pm »
You bring up comparison. That's good.

Fireeater is 2 :gravity for 0|5 and :fire ablaze
Fire spirit is 2 :fire for 0|2 and :fire ablaze
Forest spirit is 2 :life for 1|1 and :water growth
Lava golem is 5 :fire for 5|1 and :earth growth
Sapphire charger is 5 :gravity for 4|5 and momentum

When compared to fire spirit, it requires a duo cost for only 3 extra hp. 5hp does make a difference, but lightning is the most common CC card in PvP, so it's not that large of a difference. Does it really justify the duo cost?

When compared to forest spirit, both of them require duo cost growing, but growth is better than ablaze, and forest spirit starts out with 1 extra attack (and in 2 turns will be just as sturdy).

Lava golem is 5 instant attack for 5 :fire, along with the ability to grow. It's also able to come out much easier with immolation and much faster than fire eater.

Sapphire charger costs 2.5 times, but it would take a fire eater at least 5-6 turns along with constant :fire (so costs balance out along with turns) to deal the same damage the charger did, and charger ignores shields.

Good points, but consider the following:
Life's creatures cost -1 :underworld in general (look at Horned Frog or Cockatrice as examples here), so Fire Spirit's "true" cost is 3 :underworld and not 2 :underworld.
About Ablaze, it is indeed somewhat worse than Growth (since it increases only attack and not health), however let's take a look at both Fire Spirit and Fire Eater:
* Fire Spirit hits early the field, but it doesn't deal damage and it has fragile health, so how are we going to cover these two disadvantages? The answer here lies to Blessing IMO. Blessing gives a boost to both its attack and defense, making to strike right away when it hits the field and grants it greater CC protection. Soon, it will grow strong. This combo is not so difficult to balance if you consider the vast amount of  :fire/ :light synergies, starting from Seraph's Divine Shield and Ragepotted Archangels to the well-feared FireStall, let alone the fact Blessing can be combined well with other :fire creatures too.
* Graviton's upped RagePot combo can be fullfilled unupped too with the following way: Graviton Fire Eater + Momentum + Rage Potion. I know what you probably think, "3-card comboes are bad, really bad!!!", however consider the following once more:
1) Momentum is :gravity and Rage Potion is :fire, so they are both in-element with Graviton Fire Eater.
2) Momentum combines well with every creature, so FireEater + Momentum is not a forced combo.
3) Rage Potion can also be used as CC, so FireEater + RagePot is not a forced combo either.
4) When it works, this combo grants an 6|1 attacker who can bypass shields and who can still grow for more damage.

These are just examples; there may be even better comboes out there...
« Last Edit: October 28, 2012, 08:22:24 pm by ARTHANASIOS »
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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Earth} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1011364#msg1011364
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2012, 10:48:03 pm »
@laxadarap true, but you don't have a separate thread for it.

@Art

I question if life really has a -1 cost to its creatures. As of now, I am going by the model of atk-1 as cost, with hp >4 being another +1 cost.

Nobody uses blessing+fire spirit.

Regardless of what you say, the fact that its use is so low and that I've yet to see one good deck making use of them is evidence to how UP and UU they are. I welcome you to try and create a deck with at least 5 of them that can do really well.

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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Earth} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1011461#msg1011461
« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2012, 10:30:53 am »
I welcome you to try and create a deck with at least 5 of them that can do really well.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,44389.new.html#new
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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Earth} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1011536#msg1011536
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2012, 03:40:27 pm »
Fire Eater is UU, but it's definitely not UP. The problem is that Fire Eater doesn't mesh well in most fire decks because fire already has growers that are better in most cases. However, Fire Eater is used when a slightly more resilient creature is wanted, and the deck allows enough time for fire eaters to grow to a decent size.
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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Earth} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1011725#msg1011725
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2012, 01:09:15 am »
I welcome you to try and create a deck with at least 5 of them that can do really well.
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Added to the wiki :D Although I think there are much better choices to use.

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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Earth} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1011754#msg1011754
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2012, 02:11:56 am »
Stone Skin / Miracle / SoD / 500HP EM Deck, AWAAYYYYY!
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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Earth} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1012655#msg1012655
« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2012, 06:05:25 am »
Aaaand Stone Skin article is done earlier than it should be. For that, the poll will probably last longer, but again, I usually write up these articles either friday/saturday/sunday/monday around that time. Yeah.
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Thoughts: I actually had to take some time and try and make this different from the Shard of Divinity article I wrote a long time ago. In many aspects, SoD is much better than SS, but SS allows for interesting combos like gnomes and titanium. Not really much to say, writing this felt very much like deja vu. Didn't find any actual deck threads for SoD, so I feared that it would be similar for SS, I was mostly right. I couldn't find one good unupped SS deck, so I had to go with the good upped SS decks I could find (and dragon made two out of those three Don't worry annele, I added your deck there, no need for you to sneak that onto the SoV article =P) And yeah, that's that. I really wanted to see some other card win since SS is pretty bland and I've already written about SoD, but the masses get the final vote.

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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Life} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1012661#msg1012661
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2012, 07:47:32 am »
According to my avatar's signature, Cockatrices ftw! However, Forest Scorpions also need some love...
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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Life} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1012669#msg1012669
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2012, 08:37:58 am »
Scorpions and Staves both need a bit of love. Go for one of them.
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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Life} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1012678#msg1012678
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2012, 11:25:08 am »
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Re: Weekly featured cards poll - {Life} https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43980.msg1012682#msg1012682
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2012, 12:06:47 pm »
Heal needs some love. Go Heal.
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