supernova

[badivan1]

That is quite a stupid question to ask.  If a deck uses precogs or sundials, or both, the percentage of getting it is increased.  But now answer this, why in 40 card decks do people use 1 or 2 copies of a card (CCYB for example) what is the point of that?  People play ONE copy of a card for that chance of drawing it, not because its a make or break card.

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You don't consider the single or double copies in this prototypical CCYB "make or break cards" ?  You don't consider the 2 Lava Destroyers or the single Elite Firefly Queen "make or break" cards ?  Are you assuming that people included these just "for the chance of drawing it" ?  Your reasoning is lacking.

Besides, if Unstable Gas is not a "make or break" card, then why would I want to draw something I neither want or need ?  In fact, Speedbows don't need Unstable Gas.

if your main portion of your deck is anything but air, then you have spare air quanta, and an extra 20 dmg is nice, plus it draws away explosions from other things in your deck youd like to keep

The inclusion of Unstable Gas is not an extra 20 damage.  If I draw an Unstable Gas instead of another damage dealing card, the 20 damage is not added to the damage that I would have dealt if I have drawn the other said damage dealing card instead.  Also, to state that spending 5 Air quanta in a Speedbow is "cheap" makes you look silly.

[bucky1andonly]

in a speedbow, ug > wyrm, and better than having 2 phase recluse, since they each cost 4, which means 4 supernovas, 2 death is better,

and you did miss what i said

many ccyb variants,

VARIANTS, never did i say the original unedited ccyb

please dont argue if you dont take the time to read what i write

[willng3]

in a speedbow, ug > wyrm

That's relative depending on what else you're using in your deck.  In the event that it's a Buff Speedbow, Wyrm exceeds UG.

[badivan1]

in a speedbow, ug > wyrm, and better than having 2 phase recluse, since they each cost 4, which means 4 supernovas, 2 death is better,

and you did miss what i said

many ccyb variants,

VARIANTS, never did i say the original unedited ccyb

please dont argue if you dont take the time to read what i write

You're assuming that in a Speedbow I would consistently draw 2 Phase Recluses.  I'm pretty sure most of times, I would draw ONE copy, which needs TWO Supernovas.  On the other hand, Unstable Gas can't be cast with only two Supernovas.  Therefore, your example does not show that Unstable Gas is better.

Also, you propose to include Unstable Gas in CCYB variants.  I'm pretty sure CCYB is originally designed for grinding False Gods ; because they have 200 hp, the inclusion of Unstable Gas for the sake of damage is unnecessary.

ive made and remade many decks, and have found that a set of decks work particularly well in pvp and ai3, but supernovas in a deck usually mean rainbow, if not youre weird, and UG is only one card which can easily replace quite a few redundant cards in many ccyb variants, and i say redundant, because there is only 1 copy of the card in the deck anyway, and UG is a better choice usually when dealing with ccyb decks, but in general, 6 supernovas in a deck, throw in a UG and test it out for a week, then decide whether or not it is worth using. 

The statement "a set of decks work particularly well in pvp and ai3" doesn't mean anything.  To add Unstable Gas just because it "can easily replace quite a few redundant cards" is a terrible justification for such a swap of cards.

Please don't argue if you don't know what you're saying.

[TheForbiddenOracle]

If I understood what he was trying to say I would give advice to him...

[bucky1andonly]

so me making many rainbow decks, using 6 supernovas, and using a lot of the speedbow variants found on the forum, and doing some extensive testing, i came up with the FACT that UG > wyrm, and UG is a great card to throw into just about every deck that uses 6 supernovas, I DID TESTS, if you have not done any tests to counter what im saying or to back up anything youre saying, just stop saying anything

[badivan1]

so me making many rainbow decks, using 6 supernovas, and using a lot of the speedbow variants found on the forum, and doing some extensive testing, i came up with the FACT that UG > wyrm, and UG is a great card to throw into just about every deck that uses 6 supernovas, I DID TESTS, if you have not done any tests to counter what im saying or to back up anything youre saying, just stop saying anything

Saying "I DID TESTS" justifies nothing.  To say that UG > wyrm is not a "fact", but merely a conclusion, however biased are your testing methods.

Since you've supposedly done your homework, why don't you show us actual results (e.g. screenshots and detailed scenarios) ?  All along, you've said you have "facts" to support your conclusions.  So far, you've shown nothing.  Besides, it would be beneficial for both of us if other people than you can actually validate your "tests".

[bucky1andonly]

simple suggestion for anyone

thats from the opening post in the thread, notice the big word.  this was only meant to be a suggestion, therefore, details about my tests dont matter.  but the fact remains, i did testing, you did not, so chances are i am right.

[Acsabi44]

UG costs too much air quanta.
Nightmare is too situational.
2 card slots are a lot.

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[killybob]

UG is only really useful for VERY minor CC and for finishing off your opponent. wyrm far exceeds UG as in a minimum of 2 turns (unbuffed) it will do the same amount of damage as UG and any more turns of attack than that and wyrm is by far the better choice. besides it takes 2 turns to operate UG (one to play the next to use) whereas wyrm will start immediately. i've (as i have said) also done testing for some PvP decks of my own and i find it far inferior. plus JMTD and Willing3 say the same. now if those two experienced veterans say no then i find that conclusive and final. or are you far more experienced than both of them together?

[bucky1andonly]

upgraded wyrm has 3 hp.  shockwave, lightning, rage elixir, firestorm, fire lance, then drain life and ice bolt only require 10 quanta for enough dmg, 2 turn alfatoxin, 3 turn infection, iridium or basilisk, all shields but wings affect wyrm.

UG does not need to be upgraded, 3 snovas either way is enough quanta.  butterfly effect, steal, explosion, reflect and jade shield

it also takes a wyrm 3 turns to do 25 dmg, where it only takes 2 for a ug to do 20.  now unless youre playing a deck that produces a lot of air, chances are after you play the wyrm, it might even take up to 4 turns to do that 25 dmg seeing how it costs 2 air to activate.

ug is a better finisher compared to a wyrm - yes
there are less cards to counter or remove ug - yes
ug does more damage over time - no

i think the problem lies in the fact people are not thinking beyond the norm.  1 ug can make a difference in a couple ways, 1- fodder, if you have other more important perms, play the ug to draw out the steal or explosion from enemy
2- finisher, 20 dmg is a lot coming from 1 card

nightmare, plain and simple, if you use it on one of your creatures that the opponent cant play, not only can it dmg them up to 16 dmg, AND heal you for 16 life, they also dont get to draw a card on their next turn (unless they can play something and have another way to draw cards), and it costs 1 dark.  this card would do well in lava destroyer deck, most likely giving you more 4 turn wins than without.

[johannhowitzer]

Why doesn't someone just challenge this guy to a series of duels?