Is It Possible to Beat This Deck?

[RavingRabbid]

The black holes won't hurt this deck one bit. With 100 starting quanta, it will still have enough quanta to play all the dragons.

I wish there is someway to test this is pvp though...

They're there for healing. Obviously deck is not ready.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Silurian Dragon, Ruby Dragon, Arctic Dragon, they all ignore Gravity shield, I'd just go for Phase Shields all the way, Immortals and Phase Dragons Phase Recluses to deal some damage (doesn't have CC anyway). Assuming I get the time to get the Phase Shields up (which is where Dials come in handy)

[Daytripper]

Gravity Shield won't block Silurian Dragons. (13|4)

Funny funny, The Devonian dragon with 5 HP gets 4 HP... So in fact it is evolving backwards. The silurian era is older... Interesting how the upgrades give up HP for attack... I always thought attack is worth a bit more than defence. When you get to a certain point, it barely matters how much defence you have. The elite otys are a problem for these dragons. But, I doubt you would eat them fast enough. You are looking at a handful of dragons at turn one. You need luck. Antimatter, gravity/phase shield can help a bit. I can't think of a full deck though.

[Higurashi]

Gravity Shield, some Eagle's Eyes and SoG's.

Gravity Shield won't block Silurian Dragons. (13|4)

Won't block Ruby or Arctic either. Still a good bet with CC and healing.

[Ifailgood]

Gravity Shield, some Eagle's Eyes and SoG's.

Gravity Shield won't block Silurian Dragons. (13|4)

Won't block Ruby or Arctic either. Still a good bet with CC and healing.

You gotta kill more than 2 dragon each turn, as every dragon drawn can be played immediately.

[Acsabi44]

If you go first, then it is always possible with a theoretical "dream" hand and and draws:

(mark of aether)

Starting hand: sundial, phase shield, 4X aether Tower, 2xRoL
1 turn: Sundial, 3xAether Tower, RoL, RoL
(quanta: 2 , 7 )
2 turn: , 2x card drawing (regular and via sundial: RoL, Hope), play Phase Shield, RoL, play RoL
(quanta: 3 , 5 , PS:3)
3 turn: card drawing: RoL, play it
(quanta: 7 , 9 , PS:2)
4 turn: card drawing: Fractal, play it, play 6 RoL's
(quanta: 16 , 4 , PS:1)
5 turn: card drawing: Sundial, play it
(quanta: 25 , 8 PS:over)
6 turn: sundial/PS
7 turn: Hope
8 turn: Fractal
...

To play it, the deck should look something like this:
4 x sundials
6 RoL
4 Fractal
5 PS
4 Hope
~8 Aehter Tower.

If you go second, it's possible to beat it if the opponent doesn't have 100 worth of damage in hand (i.e. 7x Ruby Dragons, costs 84 fire quanta and deals 105 damage)

[teffy]

RoL-Hope is too slow.
Antimatter is too slow.

Reasons:

If you begin the game, your opponent plays 8 dragons in his first turn and you will probably (>99%) not get a second turn, if you played nothing good in your first turn. ( you can only get a second turn, if your opponent has 5 (or more)  Silurian Dragons in the starting hand, (5*12+3*13=99))

If you don´t begin, your opponent plays 7 dragons. You are dead after your first turn, too (if you do nothing).
Attack - Turn - Attack - Death

The only chance is your first turn.
I only see Dimensional Shield /Mono Aether as a good deck. Use upgraded spiders for damage (low quanta usage with good damage).
Without healing, and with upgraded Sundials. Sundials give you the time you need to draw cards. Healing is useless, you can´t survive a single turn without protection.

Edit:
The Best deck in my opinion:

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[Ifailgood]

If you go first, then it is always possible with a theoretical "dream" hand and and draws:

(mark of aether)

Starting hand: sundial, phase shield, 4X aether Tower, 2xRoL
1 turn: Sundial, 3xAether Tower, RoL, RoL
(quanta: 2 , 7 )
2 turn: , 2x card drawing (regular and via sundial: RoL, Hope), play Phase Shield, RoL, play RoL
(quanta: 3 , 5 , PS:3)
3 turn: card drawing: RoL, play it
(quanta: 7 , 9 , PS:2)
4 turn: card drawing: Fractal, play it, play 6 RoL's
(quanta: 16 , 4 , PS:1)
5 turn: card drawing: Sundial, play it
(quanta: 25 , 8 PS:over)
6 turn: sundial/PS
7 turn: Hope
8 turn: Fractal
...

To play it, the deck should look something like this:
4 x sundials
6 RoL
4 Fractal
5 PS
4 Hope
~8 Aehter Tower.

If you go second, it's possible to beat it if the opponent doesn't have 100 worth of damage in hand (i.e. 7x Ruby Dragons, costs 84 fire quanta and deals 105 damage)

But on average, this deck will be able to deal over 100 damage. so the win rate against this deck is already like halved due to the coin flip. lol

[Mastermind79]

But on average, this deck will be able to deal over 100 damage. so the win rate against this deck is already like halved due to the coin flip. lol

On average?! c'mon. 5 Ruby Dragons, like he said, does 105 damage. Any other dragon will take off 2, if it's there, 3, if it's . 3 other dragons = not FTK. 2 dragons= not first turn kill. I'm pretty sure you need four ruby dragons to OHKO, What are the odds of that?

[OldTrees]

The dragon deck is not a 1st turn kill usally. But it is really close.


Types of Dragons

Atk	Types
15	1
14	0
13	3
12	4
11	1
10	2
9	0
8	1

Here is a more dangerous deck to beat.

(http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?mark=4so&deck=z67diz67gtz67mvz67q6z680b) (http://imageplay.net/)
7di 7di 7di 7di 7di 7di 7gt 7gt 7gt 7gt 7gt 7gt 7mv 7mv 7mv 7mv 7mv 7mv 7q6 7q6 7q6 7q6 7q6 7q6 80b 80b 80b 80b 80b 80b
This deck will at least get 7 13 atk dragons if 1st and 8 if 2nd
91 Damage if it goes 1st
104 Damage if it goes 2nd

for this deck to get a 1st turn kill it needs 1 Ruby Dragon + 4 (either Ruby Dragon or Twin Universe) + 2 Cards
[6/30]*[11/29]*[10/28]*[9/27]*[8/26]*[5!]=40% (I think I did the math right)

So it has an automatic 20% win rate due to coin flip.

The deck is even more vicious if you add firebolts, icebolts, drain lifes and a couple fractals

[zse]

Teffy has pretty nice solution for the problem. The simplicity on that is pretty on it's own way, but that kind of lacks the "mind-blowing effect".
Maybe this, Voodoo Panic by linkfung, could also be tweaked to do the job; and do it with a truly "shocking" way.

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Originally in http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12308.0.html

Obviously you'd have to use upped Sundials, and get enough of those early. Then you'll buff Voodoo Doll big enough, Gravity Force it and let the Dragons beat the doll. If you wouldn't get the Doll boosted enough, you could Twin Universe it before dragons attack it. That way you'd be able to Gravity Force the 2nd one next turn, and get enough damage dealt with that one.

I think that could work with perfectly stacked deck, but the changes for getting it randomly are gonna be pretty slim. What you think? Is there any way to tweak the deck better for it?

[twinsbuster]

6x upped sundial
6x phase shield

first turn upped sundial, sundial chain, then phase shield chain
win!