Human stats?

[furballdn]

What would the stats of a human (regular, like you or me) be in elements? Use art, cards, and gameplay mechanics to balance and find out a human's stats.

[Drake_XIV]

I'm assuming Lycanthropy is referring to change from a Human to a Werewolf.  Therefore a just played Werewolf should be Human.

[bobknows]

Why not this guy?


Yes, without a weapon humans are weak but say you pick up a sword you are suddenly stronger than an angel.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Humans could be made stronger by training or elemental attunement - if we assume the pre-buffed Lycanthrope is your ordinary peasant, then cards like Crusader and Graviton Mercenary make a lot more sense as they're probably professional soldiers. One could even reason than an Immortal is an Ascended human of sorts.

Taking the idea of empowered humans a step further, we have things such as Knights, Sages (Page is slightly broken due to forum porting), and Mages.

Overall :
Average Peasant / Civilian : 1 ATK | 1 HP , No Ability
Professional Soldier : 2-4 ATK | 3-5 HP , may have an accompanying ability with justification.
Attuned Humans/Spellcasters/Typical RPG Adventurer : Varies depending on the ability for balance reasons. As a rule of thumb, these cards would probably not be greater stat wise than a dragon.
Undead : Varies, as we've seen Skeletons with 1 | 1 and Ghosts with 7 | 4. Ability would also vary.

From generally observing how 'humanoid' ideas have been posted on this forum, most 'normal' humans will not be able to outmatch a Dragon, and empowered ones still generally have a disadvantage in terms of RPG-ish 'stats'.

[Captain Scibra]

Why not this guy?


Yes, without a weapon humans are weak but say you pick up a sword you are suddenly stronger than an angel.

Note that the weapons said are of rare value, and also previously mentioned he is a honed warrior without them.

[Iccerus]

I think that it could be a cool concept if the humans have a "rallying" effect. Essentially like fractal/mitosis/boneyard where it creates more of them in a certain way.

[OldTrees]

Crusaders might be magically endowed warriors prior to endowing their blade with magic.

[furballdn]

I'm going to give my views

A photon is 1|1, so let's start there. Lycanthrope is a regular human, probably a peasant, so that's 1|1 as well. Graviton merc is 3|5 but that is probably due to the armor that he has as well as being in the gravity element. A crusader in his art has armor and a sword, being 2|4. If we look at it this way, it seems both these humanoids are wearing armor (armor gives a +3hp boost, merc has innate +1 for being gravity)

So end: human is 1|1 unarmed, perhaps 1|4 with armor, and can probably be 3|4 with enough training and equipment.

But

What if the humans had modern technology?

Like a handgun? Modern day armor? A machine gun?

The english longbow has an initial speed of 172 fps. Assuming that translates to 6 damage (no air mark), let's look at how guns do.
A Glock 9mm has an initial speed of 1230 fps. If we scale this linearly,
172/6=1230/x
x=43. (But I'm probably doing something wrong. Somebody with more experience in the amount of damage handguns do can do a better job than my explanation)

[OldTrees]

D&D:
Longbow: 1d8+Str ~= 7 damage
Gun: 3d6 ~= 10 damage

EtG:
Crusader Sword = 2 damage (less than a +1 from the weapon)
Crusader wielding Elemental grade Longsword = 8 damage (+6 in addition to the previous weapon bonus)


Crusader wielding mundane gun ~= 3 damage (4 if generous)
Crusader wielding an Elemental grade gun ~= 12 damage

[justaburd]

thing is, we're talking about a human without items. Otherwise you'd consider something like a CP being giving the human armor/weapons or upgrading them.
I stick with my original suggestion that a human would be 0|3.

[eaglgenes101]

Ballpark estimate using kinetic energy:

Apparently hurling about 140 kg of stuff (estimated mass of human w/ heavy armor) with a trebuchet does about 7 damage. Estimating that the trebuchet is about 50 meters tall, that's 9.8*50*140 = 69000 J. A gun bullet has a speed about 3700 m/s (glock) and a mass of about 0.1 kg. That's 0.5*0.1*3700^2 = 680000 J. Using proportions, that is equivalent to about 69 damage.

[OldTrees]

I really don't think kinetic energy is a good way to estimate damage. People can survive being shot with either an arrow or a bullet. People can die from being shot with either. Therefore the minimum damage of a bullet is less than the critical damage of an arrow.