FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths

[Djhopper :)]

I spent a fortune building the GotP deck and it lives up to it's stats. One modification I'd make would be an extra quint. A major strategy is to lockdown fgs that dont have hourglasses with 2 eternities so immortal flying eternity is very important. This makes it much harder to get the anubis out and immortalised if you only have one quint. Also, not sure you need all the hourglasses.....

I assume you're talking about I've GotP Time. It's a fat deck, and you need HG's as soon as you can get them; With any less than 6, the decks draw-percentage drops MASSIVELY! So dropping HG's is a bad idea.

On quints: In a deck that focuses on drawing though itself before pwning the opponent, why do you need more than one?

[twixy10]

I spent a fortune building the GotP deck and it lives up to it's stats. One modification I'd make would be an extra quint. A major strategy is to lockdown fgs that dont have hourglasses with 2 eternities so immortal flying eternity is very important. This makes it much harder to get the anubis out and immortalised if you only have one quint. Also, not sure you need all the hourglasses.....

I assume you're talking about I've GotP Time. It's a fat deck, and you need HG's as soon as you can get them; With any less than 6, the decks draw-percentage drops MASSIVELY! So dropping HG's is a bad idea.

On quints: In a deck that focuses on drawing though itself before pwning the opponent, why do you need more than one?

when you have that sole quint in the last 10 cards (is too late for the flying eternity combo because you are already dead).

[rosutosefi]

There are two stat tables for HG1&O. I think these stats need to be merged.

One is for a nightmare modded deck, one is for the 3 voodoo variant.

I just noticed after seeing the plan for the cloak variant. 
Why use SoG's in RoL/Hope instead of Sanctuaries? Will a sanctuary variant be viable for testing?

[Djhopper :)]

I spent a fortune building the GotP deck and it lives up to it's stats. One modification I'd make would be an extra quint. A major strategy is to lockdown fgs that dont have hourglasses with 2 eternities so immortal flying eternity is very important. This makes it much harder to get the anubis out and immortalised if you only have one quint. Also, not sure you need all the hourglasses.....

I assume you're talking about I've GotP Time. It's a fat deck, and you need HG's as soon as you can get them; With any less than 6, the decks draw-percentage drops MASSIVELY! So dropping HG's is a bad idea.

On quints: In a deck that focuses on drawing though itself before pwning the opponent, why do you need more than one?

when you have that sole quint in the last 10 cards (is too late for the flying eternity combo because you are already dead).

Then add an extra anubis as well if you need that combo out, coz anubis could be in the last 10 cards too.

[Higurashi]

There are two stat tables for HG1&O. I think these stats need to be merged.

One is for a nightmare modded deck, one is for the 3 voodoo variant.

I just noticed after seeing the plan for the cloak variant. 
Why use SoG's in RoL/Hope instead of Sanctuaries? Will a sanctuary variant be viable for testing?

The denial that Sanc stops is almost inconsequential to RoL/Hope, especially considering the likes of Dream Catcher and Decay will destroy/steal them anyway.
The good thing about SoG is that you can use any type of quanta to pay for it. If you draw lots of , you pay more with than , and vice versa. Locking yourself down to having to pay usually means you can't play Sanc until later, meaning you get much less total healing. This spells doom in slower versions of RoL/Hope.
SoG's also heal more, of course, which is mainly a deciding factor against Poison and Momentum damage.

[rosutosefi]

Hmm. That makes me want to try the SoG version. I did realize that the sanc (I use one in my deck) only helps for some EM's and against DM, and it does not help mush against poison.

I'll try a 1 SoG, 1 Sanc version first.

[twixy10]

I spent a fortune building the GotP deck and it lives up to it's stats. One modification I'd make would be an extra quint. A major strategy is to lockdown fgs that dont have hourglasses with 2 eternities so immortal flying eternity is very important. This makes it much harder to get the anubis out and immortalised if you only have one quint. Also, not sure you need all the hourglasses.....

I assume you're talking about I've GotP Time. It's a fat deck, and you need HG's as soon as you can get them; With any less than 6, the decks draw-percentage drops MASSIVELY! So dropping HG's is a bad idea.

On quints: In a deck that focuses on drawing though itself before pwning the opponent, why do you need more than one?

when you have that sole quint in the last 10 cards (is too late for the flying eternity combo because you are already dead).

Then add an extra anubis as well if you need that combo out, coz anubis could be in the last 10 cards too.

Personnally i don't use anubis, i use package 1: -2 AW, 1 GotP, 1 TU, 2 Quint , 1 Fractal (7 cards) +13 Towers and 9 Pendulums: Might be a bit slower because it has 1 less attacking creature to Fractal, but it is very advantageous compared to the other packages because this one is able to play QT Flying Eternities the fastest. Also, there isn't really a need to QT Fractalled GotPs, because your Eternities and Flying Eternities will get the god down to a good amount of HP to kill him in 1-2 turns after you Fractal the GotPs. There isn't much a god can do about your army of GotPs, even with a few CC spells in his hand.

[Onizuka]

BTW- I'm still up for testing more and I promise to get stuff done : P

[rosutosefi]

Card Drop Rates for FG's - I hope this helps.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31068.msg421555#msg421555
(Under Construction)

[TheManuz]

Hello everyone! I'd like to test a deck, it's a different version of RoL/Hope (by Malignant). I believe this deck can beat a few more FG, thus resulting in better stats.

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[Jangoo]

Ok guys, here is a headsup:

I compiled ALL the data gathered into ONE huge file.

This is your ALL-DECKS-ALL-GAMES-ALL-GODS-statsheet

deck	ALL
players	ALL

version	1.27/28		win-rate	38,62%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	39%
games	6755		Score/h	339
win-loss-(EM)	2609-4146-(907)		Score/h (n)	347
time (h:m:s)	357:34:04		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3159
min/game	03:11		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3190

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
352    54    149    136    887    -81    -84    396    -272    173    557    377    -249    199       -312    780    -44    505    654    483    991    423    254    371    850    -41    -18    245    681	3826    2296    2767    2219    4806    2432    2003    2921    1600    2550    3787    3151    1192    2809       1323    4592    1570    3293    4003    3748    5173    3941    3125    3011    4803    1596    2276    2703    5050	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	81    73    69    67    175     53    50    100    39    70    106    104    43    78    39    144    58    121    144    108    154    91    68    85    176    56    73    80    104	142     196     167     165     76      157     170     125     179     153     120     136     217     157     207     86     183     108     92     114     45     141     143     130     64     183     204     154     99	0    0    0    7    0    14    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    2    0    3    0    0    0    0    2    0    0    0    1    0    2    0	24      19      26      36      85      8      9      36      6      24      57      31      8      15      10      65      9      51      51      22      80      32      28      43      59      12      7      33      21

Now this doesn't really say much, except that it shows the HUGE amount of work we put in.

Here are some more fun facts:

• 1.361.262 million electrum grinded
  
• 121.242 score gained
  
• 198:54:50 h spent winning games
  
• 158:17:43 h spent losing games
  
• 1113 cards won
  
• 42,66% overall card-spin rate
  
• 34,76%  EM-rate
  
• 63 HPs left on average in all regular wins
• 202 electrum won per game on average
• 18 score per game on average
• FGei(e) = 3807 electrum/h

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• Divine Glory handed out ,83 cards per game won (most generous FG)
• Morte handed out ,268 cards per game won (most greedy FG)
• The win-rate against Neptune was 77% (easiest FG, closely followed by Paradox 73% and Destiny 70%)
• The win-rate against Hermes was 16% (hardest FG, closely followed by Graviton 17% and Eternal Phoenix 18%)

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I think there will be a bit more of that sort of results, all nicely arranged in tables etc. for the upped, competitive decks only.

Now the reason I first threw together ALL decks (yes, even the very crappy unupped ones and the new HG&1 and Ray of Lulz)
is that I wanted to find out our specific card-spin/drop-rates for each FG.
With these, I was going to redo the Statmasta to get those ACTUAL FGeis you could expect when playing with certain decks,
because as of now, the Statmasta assumes 35% cardwin-rate for every FG, which is just not quite realistic yet.
(Once the implementation of those cardwin-rates is done, the implementation of skips can be done ...)

You can view the complete list of our drop-rates here:

Drop-rates (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20376.msg421692#msg421692)


Now there is only one problem that hinders further advance:
Our numbers don't really match those calculated by DarkWeaver, who even went and recalculated his numbers after some huffing and puffing around the math-bush.
I am hoping somebody who is more versatile than me when it comes to probabilities, is going to post something I can work with in that thread ...

So in case you are good at it, help examining the math on those FGs that are greatly off would be highly appreciated.

The only other option is to assume that our numbers are off by at times over 10% ! because

1. We simply got lucky/unlucky (in over 200 games against EACH false god, which amounts to 40-150 games won per god)
OR
2. We somehow fucked up collecting data, forgot about entering certain cards etc.

[Higurashi]

Take that, Rainbro. You're far from the most difficult! >:>