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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392486#msg392486
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2011, 08:50:18 am »
I think this might be more a tier system. Eternity> (Hourglass, Pulvy)> other stuff
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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392488#msg392488
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2011, 09:08:03 am »
Pulverizer and Hourglass are indeed on the same 'tier'.



This could use some investigation ...
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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392489#msg392489
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2011, 09:12:17 am »
also is sundial missing or just placed somewhere else?
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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392490#msg392490
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2011, 09:22:01 am »
also is sundial missing or just placed somewhere else?
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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392493#msg392493
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2011, 09:41:28 am »
Targeting priority is somewhat situational or random as well.  I had one game where I played an Hourglass and a Pulvy on the same turn, because I needed the pulvy's destroy ability to keep me in the game.  I figured the hourglass would keep it safe, but the AI shocked me by destroying the pulverizer instead of the hourglass, and I lost as a direct result of the AI's decision.

I had another game more recently where I had two SoGs and a Gravity Shield in play.  I had just seen this thread posted, and so it was fresh in my mind.  I watched the AI target my SoG first, and then later on the same turn target Gravity Shield, rather than the remaining SoG.  I had no other permanents except quantum towers.

I don't remember the exact spells used, but maybe targeting priority is different depending on the method of targeting.  (explosion/deflag, steal/imp. steal, pulverizer, butterfly effect, mutant with destroy/steal)

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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392494#msg392494
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2011, 09:43:09 am »
As we found out above, Pulverizer and Hourglass have the same priority. If the Hourglass is in the bottom row the Pulverizer will be destroyed instead.

I'm fairly sure there is no randomness involved.
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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392497#msg392497
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2011, 09:55:41 am »
Another issue with the "List" sheet, your ranking system is bias towards non weapon/shield permanents. Hourglass will outrank anything except pulvy and eternity, while eternity will out rank everything except all other weapons. This means in the ranking, hourglass > eternity which isn't true. There needs to be a better way of ranking the permanents that is based of a more head-to-head approach.
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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392499#msg392499
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2011, 10:03:23 am »
That was Jenkar's doing, as he removed all the matchups between shields vs. shields and weapons vs. weapons. I suppose they better be added in again.
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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392502#msg392502
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2011, 10:23:07 am »
As we found out above, Pulverizer and Hourglass have the same priority. If the Hourglass is in the bottom row the Pulverizer will be destroyed instead.

I'm fairly sure there is no randomness involved.
That's probably what happened to me, then.

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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392532#msg392532
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2011, 01:27:09 pm »
Really interesting study here!

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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392609#msg392609
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2011, 06:47:33 pm »
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Re: Permanent Targeting Priority Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30795.msg392621#msg392621
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2011, 07:14:38 pm »
This may still be accurate:
http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/User:Chriskang/Sandbox/10#Main_loop
If this is true, then someone can probably find a list if the "estimates" and exact numbers can be calculated
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