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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019818#msg1019818
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2012, 05:32:58 pm »
that way ppl will never spin a shard. A farmd should not consist more than 6+6 rare cards, and the rest is pilllars.
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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019830#msg1019830
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2012, 06:13:36 pm »
that way ppl will never spin a shard. A farmd should not consist more than 6+6 rare cards, and the rest is pilllars.
Aye.  Not a lot of people know this, but the ideal farm is 6 of the same rare, 29 of the same pendulum.

The closest to ideal you can do if the Oracle doesn't give you a rare, a pendulum (or a pillar), is 5 Oracle cards, 6 of the same rare, 24 of the same pendulum.

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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019835#msg1019835
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2012, 06:40:02 pm »
1st day of christmas= a partridge in a pear tree.  SoG/Druid staff go!

EDIT: We should start on the 13th, as that would be 12 days with the 12th day being Christmas.  Sure, we could do it all month, but that's not thematic.
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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019844#msg1019844
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2012, 07:02:40 pm »
On the twelfth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me...
12 Drummers Drumming
11 Pipers Piping
10 Lords-a-Leaping - Pharoah
9 Ladies Dancing - Nymphs! (cuz who doesn't appreciate relics)
8 Maids-a-Milking - ...MOAR NYMPHS
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And a Partridge in a Pear Tree - Sog/Druid staff

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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019849#msg1019849
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2012, 07:19:34 pm »
On the twelfth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me...
12 Drummers Drumming: Sose: last day, shard is most like a present, also, since you don't know what it is, drumroll please... phrase.
11 Pipers Piping Absolutely no clue.  SoI because the pied piper had integrety (although I feel that he actually didn't)
10 Lords-a-Leaping - Pharoah
9 Ladies Dancing - Nymphs! (cuz who doesn't appreciate relics)
8 Maids-a-Milking - ...MOAR NYMPHS
7 Swans-a-Swimming - Arctic Squid
6 Geese-a-Laying- SoP: they just sit there
5 Gold Rings - SoR
4 Colly Birds SoFree, colly birds are just like crows, which are free.
3 French Hens Don't know, possibly owl/eagle eye, just because it's a bird.
2 Turtle Doves - SoD/Miracle
And a Partridge in a Pear Tree - Sog/Druid staff

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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019856#msg1019856
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2012, 07:54:46 pm »
Good luck farming.

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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019874#msg1019874
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2012, 09:16:01 pm »
that way ppl will never spin a shard. A farmd should not consist more than 6+6 rare cards, and the rest is pilllars.
Aye.  Not a lot of people know this, but the ideal farm is 6 of the same rare, 29 of the same pendulum.

The closest to ideal you can do if the Oracle doesn't give you a rare, a pendulum (or a pillar), is 5 Oracle cards, 6 of the same rare, 24 of the same pendulum.

I see your point, and I understand that pillars/pendulums have lower chance of getting included in the spin-wheel, but I do not know how much is the reduction of chance compared to other cards. Nevertheless, more of the same cards would naturally increase the probability of it being picked for the wheel, so on that basis, wouldn't it be even better if different type of pillars / pendulums are mixed rather than having many of the same type ?
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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019895#msg1019895
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2012, 10:15:35 pm »
My understanding.

Chance of spinning a pillar/pendulum = ~A snowball's chance in hell.
Thus, a deck composed of 6 copies of one card with 24 of one kind of pillar = 9001% chance of winning 3 copies of the non-pillar card.

However, on the off-chance that you were to spin pillars...They might as well all be the same so you win one, instead of having mismatching pillar types. Besides, having multiple types of pillars would not alter the odds of spinning the non-pillar card, thus, pointlesness.
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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019897#msg1019897
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2012, 10:18:37 pm »
People putting farms? I'll put my SoFo speedbow (or whatever deck that pwns the arena, i haven't played in a while) /scumbagmodeon

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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019910#msg1019910
« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2012, 10:55:27 pm »
My understanding.

Chance of spinning a pillar/pendulum = ~A snowball's chance in hell.
Thus, a deck composed of 6 copies of one card with 24 of one kind of pillar = 9001% chance of winning 3 copies of the non-pillar card.
When a pillar/pendulum would be chosen for a slot, the game re-picks a limited number of times. The result is that the odds of a pillar filling a spot are proportional to the percentage of the deck that is made up of pillars and pendulums, taken to some exponent(>1). So if it retries each slot 50 times (a number once posted by Zanz, but it was so so long ago that I don't trust it), then a deck with 80% pillars (24 pillars, 6 rares) is over 1.75 million times as likely to fill a slot with a pillar than a deck with 60% pillars (18 pillars, 6 rare1s, 6 rare2s). This is why people make farms with two rares, because the odds seem to be around the same and variety is fun.

But yes, all availbable information suggest that splitting up your pillars will not change the chance of it choosing a pillar, it just replaces some possibility of using pillar a with the same likely-hood of using pillar b, and could occasional block a player from winning 5 :electrum + a pillar.

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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019928#msg1019928
« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2012, 11:58:29 pm »
If i'm not mistaken,
If it's 6 rares + all pillar, chance to win a rare = ~55%.
If it's 6+6 rares + all pillar, chance to win a rare = ~45%.
Not tested with pends.

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Re: Early christmas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44964.msg1019965#msg1019965
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2012, 02:46:23 am »
For those really curious about the math, here is a thread with the math behind building the best possible farm.

 

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