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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg283803#msg283803
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2011, 02:51:14 pm »
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if we are looking at it from "which element has lowest #", then we dont need a discussion or even a vote on the whole thing...

ELEMENT# in BAZAAR
:fire13
:aether13
:water14
:air14
:time14
:life14
:light14
:entropy15
:darkness15
:earth15
:gravity15
:death16
there ya go...each element sorted by # cards in bazaar followed by whether they received any new cards in the last couple of updates (in ascending order)


personally, even though Fire seems like it has both the least number of cards AND the last in "receiving new cards in the last couple of updates", the whole package is there for it...the creature base is good (small, midrange and big hitter categories are covered), the spells are there...only lacking is non-pillar permanent / defense / utility but then again, fire is all about "offense is the best defense"
no wonder nobody talks about fire needing more cards...much

Aether suffers the same fate in that people often focus on a small number of bombastic spell/permanent in that element and dont realize it is tied with Fire as the lowest # cards in bazaar

who cares if element X has the least number of cards, it has card Y and Z!

and thats what needs to change folks

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg283808#msg283808
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2011, 03:00:22 pm »
Air obviously needs more creatures! And possibly even a building cause Air lacks of permanents too

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg283815#msg283815
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2011, 03:27:53 pm »
 :fire an  :water .
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Water bc it lacks.. *something*. it clearly needs more versatility. Maybe a midrange hitter.
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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg283817#msg283817
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2011, 03:29:42 pm »
I look at what elements are used the least in PvE and PvP.

:aether, :fire, & :entropy synergy very well with other elements.  So I don't care if they have the least number of cards, they are used quit a lot.  Giving :aether, :fire, & :entropy more cards will be more likely to have those 3 elements used more while the other 9 elements used less.

:death & :water have the least synergy IMO with :air being pretty close (but has Fog Shield and Flying Weapon).

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg283821#msg283821
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2011, 03:36:53 pm »
 :life :light mostly  :life

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg283858#msg283858
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2011, 04:31:25 pm »
 :water and :fire. :fire has very few cards anyway and water is a bit weak compared to other elements. i admit this being a strong water supporter (ha rhymes :D) plus water has been lacking in new cards.

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg284065#msg284065
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2011, 08:20:37 pm »
My answer is simple: elements that have least cards, need new cards the most.

I don't see the logic behind giving new cards to elements that already have a lot of cards, just because they somehow "need" new cards. Each element should have the same size card pool in deckbuilding. In my opinion the difference in total card amounts per element should never be more than 1 card.
From a game-structure viewpoint this makes a lot of sense, but in general a couple more cards here or there in one element doesn't bother me so much. It's something I interpret as a quality of that particular element. Just as I might consider :fire to have an advantage related to aggressiveness or :light to have an advantage related to defense, I might consider :death to have an advantage in overall card selection.

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg284145#msg284145
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2011, 10:06:08 pm »
Water is in desperate need of a new card

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg284204#msg284204
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2011, 11:18:07 pm »
that it is. it's had 2 card changes in the past few weeks and to be quite frank a good few cards need a complete remake. this element will struggle like always in the coming war if something is not done quickly

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg284207#msg284207
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2011, 11:29:16 pm »
 :water and  :aether in that order.

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg284210#msg284210
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2011, 11:39:21 pm »
There should be an option for Other as well, just to be fair.

I'd say :aether and :water need new cards the most, I think there should be some other card we can use in Aether to build a deck around besides Mindgate/ Fractal, and I think Aether should get another midhitter or a small creature that has >0 HP.  Water needs more mono-ing opportunities without needing to refer to other elements in one way or another.  It also needs new rares that are actually worth being rares.

Just my  :electrum .

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Re: After all the new cards in 1.27, which element now needs a new card the most? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22327.msg284216#msg284216
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2011, 11:46:59 pm »
aether is in a worse situation than water. all aether can do is yell "ha none can touch my creatures cos they are quinted. oh yes and our cards cost far too much quanta than we can sustain without having a deck made entirely of towers!!!". it needs some cheaper stuff for definite.

by the way "0> hp" means zero or less, not zero or more :)).

 

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