New Pillar type between Mono-Pillar and Quantum Pillar?

[Scaredgirl]

This was suggested by someone on this thread: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4126.0.html , with the difference that he suggested 4 elements and I suggest 6. I'll give the credit later when I find who it was.

So here is the idea:

Mono-Pillar = 1 quantum

1st New Pillar = 2 random quanta from any of these elements: 
2nd New Pillar = 2 random quanta from any of these elements: 

Quantum Pillar = 3 random quanta from any element


I think it's an awesome idea. The reason I chose 6 instead of 4 is that I think if it were only 4, this would be very OP.

I divided the 12 elements using the good old good vs. evil, but it could be anything really.

What do you think?

[PhantomFox]

Not bad.  It would make things interesting of course.  A more focused semi-rainbow.  I don't see anything wrong offhand.

[pepokish]

I like this idea.  I think it really opens up some interesting opportunities.

I agree that 4-element division may be a bit OP.  Which is a shame, because otherwise we could really use the division ideas from the thread.    But I think 6-elements per pillar is the perfect balance between mono and quantum. 

[ajm6]

Great Idea!! Much better than Dual Pillars

Only problem I see is the elements definitely need changed around. If you're farming using common rainbows (i'm using your unupgraded, puppy's, and ivalmian's)

Pillar 1 powers: Hourglass, Sundial, Eternity, Miracle, Permafrost, Oty, Bonds, FFQ, and the abilities of pulvy and druid
Pillar 2 powers: Bonewall, Dim shield, RoF, Quint, Steal, Boneyard, Druid, PA, Pulvy, Supernova(but that's really the mark usually)

The problem as I see it is that everything that everything pillar 2 powers can be powered by mark and supernova, and once its been played you are done with, pillar 1 powers everything that needs continuous quanta flow for Druid, Pulvy, Eternity, Oty, FFQ. So having all those on pillar 1 makes it far more useful in a rainbow than pillar 2 especially for an entropy rainbow.

Other than that great idea I would love these.

[Kael Hate]

Problems with generating 2 from 6 is that in general case you are getting a particular element every 3 turns whereas quantum pillars is a specific every 4 turns. This make your new pillar more powerful than the quantum pillar as you are much much closer to generating the required quanta with no offset. If these pillars are free a rainbow deck of the 6 defined elements becomes the power play. If limited to 6 and Quantum Pillars reduced to 6 also it might work well.

My idea regarding multigen pillars used effect that already exist in Elements and lock out the use of cross elements as a downside to getting the guaranteed quanta. I also added a cost to prevent rush deployment.


From my ideas Catalog

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 Name         : Faces East Totem | Dawn Totem
 Card Element : Other
 Idea by      : Kael Hate
 
 Level        : Basic
 Summon Cost  : 3
 Type D|L     : Artifact
 Text         : Generates . Consumes 1 of each other Quanta if you have any.
 Art          : An Obelisk facing East away from the Setting Sun.
 
 Level        : Upgraded
 Summon Cost  : 2
 Type D|L     : Artifact
 Text         : Generates . Consumes 1 of each other Quanta if you have any.
 Art          : An Obelisk facing East into the Rising Sun.
 
 Notes        : A tool for generating second Quanta for Dual/Trio element decks. The draining effect on the opposite Quanta means that this is somewhat useless for true Rainbow decks. These should be stackable for space saving purpose but should not be a pillar. Compliments but does not combo with Faces West Totem. The Draining effect occurs when the trigger check for permanents resolves at the end of the attack step, then the generation occurs at the same step as the pillars quanta generation. Theme content matches the Quanta board and all the Eastern Elements.

 Testing      : Apparent Strength/Use in deck types. Mono(7/10), Dual Favoured(8/10), Dual Unfavoured(1/10), Trio Favoured(9/10), Trio Unfavoured(1/10), Rainbow(1/10)

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 Name         : Faces West Totem | Dusk Totem
 Card Element : Other
 Idea by      : Kael Hate
 
 Level        : Basic
 Summon Cost  : 3
 Type D|L     : Artifact
 Text         : Generates . Consumes 1 of each other Quanta if you have any.
 Art          : An Obelisk facing West away from the Rising Sun.
 
 Level        : Upgraded
 Summon Cost  : 2
 Type D|L     : Artifact
 Text         : Generates . Consumes 1 of each other Quanta if you have any.
 Art          : An Obelisk facing West into the Setting Sun.
 
 Notes        : A tool for generating second Quanta for Dual/Trio element decks. The draining effect on the opposite Quanta means that this is somewhat useless for true Rainbow decks. These should be stackable for space saving purpose but should not be a pillar. Compliments but does not combo with Faces East Totem. The Draining effect occurs when the trigger check for permanents resolves at the end of the attack step, then the generation occurs at the same step as the pillars quanta generation. Theme content matches the Quanta board and all the Western Elements.

 Testing      : Apparent Strength/Use in deck types. Mono(7/10), Dual Favoured(8/10), Dual Unfavoured(1/10), Trio Favoured(9/10), Trio Unfavoured(1/10), Rainbow(1/10)

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[MrSexington]

I like the 3 groups of 4 in the thread.

[Scaredgirl]

Problems with generating 2 from 6 is that in general case you are getting a particular element every 3 turns whereas quantum pillars is a specific every 4 turns. This make your new pillar more powerful than the quantum pillar as you are much much closer to generating the required quanta with no offset. If these pillars are free a rainbow deck of the 6 defined elements becomes the power play. If limited to 6 and Quantum Pillars reduced to 6 also it might work well.

There's a big difference between a rainbow deck that can use 12 different elements and a rainbow deck that can use only 6 elements. All elements are different, and when you are limited to 6 elements, there are some cards that are not available to you. For example if you take an Otyugh, you cannot take Quintessence.

This is why the new Pillar type I talk about here gives a particular element more frequently.

[MrSexington]

Problems with generating 2 from 6 is that in general case you are getting a particular element every 3 turns whereas quantum pillars is a specific every 4 turns. This make your new pillar more powerful than the quantum pillar as you are much much closer to generating the required quanta with no offset. If these pillars are free a rainbow deck of the 6 defined elements becomes the power play. If limited to 6 and Quantum Pillars reduced to 6 also it might work well.

There's a big difference between a rainbow deck that can use 12 different elements and a rainbow deck that can use only 6 elements. All elements are different, and when you are limited to 6 elements, there are some cards that are not available to you. For example if you take an Otyugh, you cannot take Quintessence.

This is why the new Pillar type I talk about here gives a particular element more frequently.

I agree.

It's the difference between having less specific quanta and access to all of the best cards in the game and having more specific quanta and 1/2 (or 1/3) of the best cards in the game.

 

[Demagog]

Problems with generating 2 from 6 is that in general case you are getting a particular element every 3 turns whereas quantum pillars is a specific every 4 turns. This make your new pillar more powerful than the quantum pillar as you are much much closer to generating the required quanta with no offset. If these pillars are free a rainbow deck of the 6 defined elements becomes the power play. If limited to 6 and Quantum Pillars reduced to 6 also it might work well.

There's a big difference between a rainbow deck that can use 12 different elements and a rainbow deck that can use only 6 elements. All elements are different, and when you are limited to 6 elements, there are some cards that are not available to you. For example if you take an Otyugh, you cannot take Quintessence.

This is why the new Pillar type I talk about here gives a particular element more frequently.

You're forgetting marks and that people can take other pillars and/or supernovas. So a person can use one type of dual pillar to supply their quantum heavy side, and then a mark/supernovas to for their support cards. I don't think it would help much to use other pillars as well, but it is an option.

If I were to make a deck using current rainbow structure and the first new pillar you suggested (good), I could take some supernovas and have access to all of the support cards rainbow uses. All of the quantum heavy stuff is on the good side. Almost every card from the evil side a rainbow uses is a spell/permanent.

[MrSexington]

That's a good point.

[Wu_Li_Mammoth]

I like this idea a lot. Semi-rainbow pillars, if they can be balanced well, makes possible a large number of new deck ideas without adding very many cards at all.

+SG =)

[Wisemage]

i think with 6 it is just too random, and instead of breaking them up into the good vs. evil you seem to be fond of (no offense intended) they should be broken up into groups where the elements compliment each other, gravity and earth work well together, and so does gravity and fire.