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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059021#msg1059021
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2013, 07:03:38 pm »
Would it help if we tried to get more players to play the game?  We could potentially start an advertising campaign of players posting links to Elements on outside forums.
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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059023#msg1059023
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 07:04:52 pm »
Thank you for pointing out this challenge! I would still like to try.

If you would search the Forums, you'd see that this is like the 15 Billionth time this topic has come up...

I'm sure if Zanz had wanted to go in this direction he would have already contacted some of the many others before now...

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059024#msg1059024
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2013, 07:06:05 pm »
Hells yes!!!! Exactly!!!! Free advertisement!?!?!?!? What other business is going to get that!? ... well every business that spreads by word of mouth, but this is my point! We have such an amazing community that want to support this game!

Would it help if we tried to get more players to play the game?  We could potentially start an advertising campaign of players posting links to Elements on outside forums.

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059026#msg1059026
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2013, 07:08:34 pm »
Thousands of players play this game per day. It doesn't really lack popularity.

I don't like this thread, other suggestions regarding this topic were less likely to hurt this game.

Learn the lesson from League of Legends. Alternative art is what people want to buy, and can't hurt the game.

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059027#msg1059027
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2013, 07:10:37 pm »
Why does everyone in game environments & especially small games always and only think about "how can someone make more money".


Programming is fun. And creating programs/games in itself is a reward already - with the additional profit of seeing a satisfied userbase. This isn't a weird attitude; and without free software the world would've stopped a long time ago already. Just look at things such as BSD/Linux, mozilla and dozens of other OS projects - if one would put a price label on for example GNU linux regarding the time spent creating the kernel the price would be a multiple of windows.

The attitude of "how to make money" sickens me. If you wish to help zanz, create a program he can use in return for this! Learn to program and commit some upgrade to another opensource project.

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059028#msg1059028
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2013, 07:14:00 pm »
Make more money + hurt the game = bad. (Even out of an egoistical perspective, in the longer run)
Make more money + positively influence the game/don't affect it at all = You'd be an idiot not to do it.

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059051#msg1059051
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2013, 09:15:14 pm »
Blaze, let no one stop you.

Of course, no one would like to see the game ruined by developers greed like most multiplayer games. But I would like if we could have more updates / cards, so if Zanz could have EtG as his main project, I believe it would be positive.

Alternative art is something good to give as "reward" for donations. Selling Nymphs also dont look so bad to me, as they usually arent so game breaking. Problem is to have REALLY game breaking cards for sale, something like a 9/9 for 3 quanta, a spell that costs 2 quanta and replenishes your hand with cards from your deck, etc. You could buy these cards directly for a lot of money, or have a small chance to get them from boosters in bazaar. Now, this would be bad.

Another thing Im thinking about is a type of Premium account. The game doesnt have much content to have it, but we could think about some advantages like:
+ 30000 (or another ammount) electrum; a complete set of rare weapons (upgraded?), some special art (when there is some), a Nymph / Mark at your choice, an extra oracle spin each day, maybe a discount to upgrade cards (1200?), and why not, a Trainer mode? I mean, you may have access to any unupgraded and upgraded cards, like in the trainer, and you can use them (maybe just for PvP), in games for your account (the electrum, cards you get are for your account), but you cant sell them, and they are stored separatedly of your real collection. Well, something to make the start more fun, and the progression faster, but without hurt the game.

Well, the game has potential. Some more advertisement could also increase the profit, bringing Zanz to it more frequently. But lets see if hes interested.

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059052#msg1059052
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2013, 09:19:13 pm »
This is why I'm cautious. Electrum for sale (for a realistic price) would already break the game. The whole base of newer and slightly advanced players would lose motivation to farm.

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059073#msg1059073
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2013, 09:59:18 pm »
@marvaddin
Thank you! I agree with everything you said. I don't know about having people be able to buy every card in the game, but I was thinking something along the same lines as a premium account. Marsu, I was thinking that this premium account could include something like: Free electrum each month, two oracle spins each day, An extra 25% electrum from farming, and I love the idea of a discount for everything you buy! That way people would actually probably farm more, because they're getting more from it!

Maybe also having a superstart one time buy option that would just give you 50,000 electrum that you could only do once, with a minimum score/net worth in cards. So that you can get a fully upgraded farmer off the bat, but farming to this point still wouldn't take new players terrible long.

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I would really like to clarify that I see this game as an amazing thing that I do not want to ruin with greed. And I'm definitely in the "Make more money + positively influence the game/don't affect it at all = You'd be an idiot not to do it." line of thought! And I absolutely think Zanz can do that, with or without my help, but I would love to help! The whole point of business and investing to me is to make the populous feel great and happy and to make money doing it. Certainly not to take a great product and make it less fun while making more money. I also believe that if the game ever starts to stray down that path the community will come together and change it amazingly fast!

Something I feel has been under discussed that I would like to poke at again is simply running donation campaigns with player to player rewards for donating.

This is why I'm cautious. Electrum for sale (for a realistic price) would already break the game. The whole base of newer and slightly advanced players would lose motivation to farm.

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059097#msg1059097
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2013, 11:06:58 pm »
Electrum for sale (for a realistic price) would already break the game.

Why? You can use electrum to upgrade cards, so what? Unupgraded decks are cheap, everyone can always play PvP1. If the guy that paid wants to use his upgraded cards, he goes to PvP2, where everyone use a lot of upgraded cards. Why would I (or someone) lose motivation? I will never see people that paid having any in game advantage. He grinded for less time, is this a problem?

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059098#msg1059098
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2013, 11:07:41 pm »
There are already rewards for donations...

It seems as if every time a new player takes to this game and they like it, they are greeted with a great obstacle in obtaining all the cards and the flexibility to play any deck... GRINDING.

While I know it's a very long and grueling task to grind your ass off for hours on end to be able to afford 1 or 2 ups and some would rather throw their cash at a developer to obtain this goal, it will only degrade the game and cause it's demise.

The reason for this is, that it's just a game... There are no real life rewards that come with it except for the enjoyment of playing the game itself. I'm not just talking about playing the game but advancing through the levels of the game by your own accomplishment. Why would I ever want to buy a game and the cheat book for that game? Isn't discovery and conquest part of the reason you play games in the first place? Do you just play games to add another virtual badge to your chest upon completion?

If Elements ever goes to a pay to play type atmosphere I'd guess every Vet would slowly back away never to be seen from again. Why do some find it so difficult to put forth the effort that so many others have achieved before them?

If you would like to be able to play any deck whenever you want, please use the Trainer and don't try to make the Main Game into every other CCG

Link to Trainer: http://www.elementsthegame.com/trainer

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Re: More money for Zanz and more updates for us! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48416.msg1059116#msg1059116
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2013, 11:53:35 pm »
Make more money + hurt the game = bad. (Even out of an egoistical perspective, in the longer run)
Make more money + positively influence the game/don't affect it at all = You'd be an idiot not to do it.

You're not an idiot - just someone who finally has a good morallity. Software -information- should always be free and open for everyone.

 

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