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List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045474#msg1045474
« on: February 24, 2013, 03:28:45 pm »
Hi,
I'm relatively new to the game but I use to play other cards game.
(English is not my first language, excuse my mistakes)

Here is a list of what I could see improved.

1 - Having a Discard Pile or an Action Log. Often I see the field abruptly change without understanding what happen. A log or a discard pile would let me see throuh it to reconstruct the sequence of event in my head. It would help to understand the game, the strategy of the opponent and to understand my own mistakes.

2 - I would put a mouse over description for every counter, poison counters and alikes.

3 - I would give the option at the begining of the game to redraw a new hand(minus 1 card) just to avoid starting a game with only 1 or 2 pillars. I would rather loose a card and stard with more pillars.

4 - I would clearly indicate on cards beside each effect if an effect is :
UNIQUE(1 time only)
ACTIVATED(1 a turn)
REPEATABLE(no limit of activation)
TRIGGERED(activated by an event, ex: when a creature die ...)
STATIC(always true ex: all dark creature get +1 +1)

5 - For the effects on creatures and permanent, I would give a detailed description in the mouse over(the one that appear after 2 second of mouse over on creatures)

6 - For the Rare exchange topic. I would create a system that exchange 1for1 and that is based on the stock market. Let me explained. If I have a rare that I don't use. I drop it in an Exchange Box with a rule attach to it (this is rare A and I want rare B). If somebody drop one with (this is rare B and I want rare A) then the exchange is automaticly made without even having to trade/sell or talk to the person. You are still the owned of the rare that you have put in the box until its exchanged, so you chan at any time remove a rare from that box if its still not exchanged.  And you can not use a rare in you deck if it is in the Exchange Box. That Box would be in the Bazar section
Thats just an idea.

7 - I would create a section in the Bazar. You just need 1 click to sell a card. I would create a SAFE section where I can put rare and like that I can't sell until I remove it from the SAFE section. An other way to do it is to give an atribute to each card, TREADABLE (yes/no)

Please leave comment of the fesabilily.

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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045480#msg1045480
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2013, 03:42:56 pm »
Hi,
I'm relatively new to the game but I use to play other cards game.
(English is not my first language, excuse my mistakes)

Here is a list of what I could see improved.

1 - Having a Discard Pile or an Action Log. Often I see the field abruptly change without understanding what happen. A log or a discard pile would let me see throuh it to reconstruct the sequence of event in my head. It would help to understand the game, the strategy of the opponent and to understand my own mistakes.

2 - I would put a mouse over description for every counter, poison counters and alikes.

3 - I would give the option at the begining of the game to redraw a new hand(minus 1 card) just to avoid starting a game with only 1 or 2 pillars. I would rather loose a card and stard with more pillars.

4 - I would clearly indicate on cards beside each effect if an effect is :
UNIQUE(1 time only)
ACTIVATED(1 a turn)
REPEATABLE(no limit of activation)
TRIGGERED(activated by an event, ex: when a creature die ...)
STATIC(always true ex: all dark creature get +1 +1)

5 - For the effects on creatures and permanent, I would give a detailed description in the mouse over(the one that appear after 2 second of mouse over on creatures)

6 - For the Rare exchange topic. I would create a system that exchange 1for1 and that is based on the stock market. Let me explained. If I have a rare that I don't use. I drop it in an Exchange Box with a rule attach to it (this is rare A and I want rare B). If somebody drop one with (this is rare B and I want rare A) then the exchange is automaticly made without even having to trade/sell or talk to the person. You are still the owned of the rare that you have put in the box until its exchanged, so you chan at any time remove a rare from that box if its still not exchanged.  And you can not use a rare in you deck if it is in the Exchange Box. That Box would be in the Bazar section
Thats just an idea.

7 - I would create a section in the Bazar. You just need 1 click to sell a card. I would create a SAFE section where I can put rare and like that I can't sell until I remove it from the SAFE section. An other way to do it is to give an atribute to each card, TREADABLE (yes/no)

Please leave comment of the fesabilily.

1) Sounds good, but it is simply not needed after you've gotten to know the game a bit. Direct links to tutorials/guides would do the same job with less coding.

2) See 1

3) That's brought up often. There's a one-time auto-mulligan already. I personally would still also like being able to mulligan, but it would simply hurt the speed in PvP incredibly. Having 1/20 matches totally decided by RNG is still better probably.

4) See 1

5) See 1

6) Brought up often. Developer stated quite clearly that this won't happen, the possible abuse simply makes it unwise.

7) I'd sign that anytime.

In short, most of your suggestions make sense and can be described with "how to make this game less confusing for new players". I agree something should be done in that aspect, but there are other ways that don't complicate the games programming. I'd love to see 7) happening though.

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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045487#msg1045487
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 04:25:35 pm »
^What Marsu said, except:

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7 - I would create a section in the Bazar. You just need 1 click to sell a card. I would create a SAFE section where I can put rare and like that I can't sell until I remove it from the SAFE section. An other way to do it is to give an atribute to each card, TREADABLE (yes/no)

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7) I'd sign that anytime.

I donĀ“t know if you already tried it but if you try to sell rares, this happens:



and the card is only sold if you click again. This provides enough protection imo. Nevertheless, keep thinking about ways to improve the game, we all can only benefit from it.  ;)

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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045517#msg1045517
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 06:34:04 pm »
If I recall correctly, Zanzarino has no intent of implementing a discard pile or graveyard.

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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045523#msg1045523
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 06:58:50 pm »
If I recall correctly, Zanzarino has no intent of implementing a discard pile or graveyard.
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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045666#msg1045666
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2013, 03:48:14 am »
For reference, Common Feature Request Thread.

RE: Discard pile

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[04:12:32]zanzarino: Not because graveyard is not a good idea it's just
[04:12:37]zanzarino: Soo common
[04:12:49]zanzarino: We can do better

RE: Text log

Already a commonly requested feature.

RE: Manual mulligans

Quote from: zanzarino
Q - Why can't I decide myself if I want a mulligan?
A1 - People would use it to drastically improve the chances of getting the desired card X in the initial hand.
A2 - It would force me to add an extra turn in pvp games before the game actually starts: more waiting, more questions, more clicking.
A3 - I still want bad/good initial hands in the game. What I do not want is having 8 cards in your hand and having to discard one during your first turn - just too frustrating.

RE: Rare exchange

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[04:02:42]zanzarino: trading = no
1-for-1 trades are still abusable; nothing is stopping someone from making tons of alt accounts to funnel-trade rares/Nymphs for their extra rares/Nymphs.
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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045694#msg1045694
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2013, 06:04:59 am »
Agreed about the notes and additional details.
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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045696#msg1045696
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2013, 06:49:54 am »
What about setting mulligan conditions I.E. Mulligan if there are 2 or less pillars rather than 0.
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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045716#msg1045716
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2013, 11:56:18 am »
What about setting mulligan conditions I.E. Mulligan if there are 2 or less pillars rather than 0.

That depends on the deck. In some quanta-wise cheap deck you surely won't want to start with 3+ pillars.
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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045903#msg1045903
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2013, 01:50:31 am »
What about setting mulligan conditions I.E. Mulligan if there are 2 or less pillars rather than 0.
That depends on the deck.
That was the suggestion. Letting players customize their automulligan settings.
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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1045904#msg1045904
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2013, 01:52:26 am »
A lot of the original suggestions should go in the level 0 fight.
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Re: List of sugestions - 7 new ideas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47169.msg1051642#msg1051642
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2013, 04:36:09 am »
#1 is pretty important

"[04:12:32]zanzarino: Not because graveyard is not a good idea it's just
[04:12:37]zanzarino: Soo common
[04:12:49]zanzarino: We can do better"

The reason it's common is that it is useful - almost necessary.  If you can do better, what is that better thing?
At the very least, how about leaving played cards visible until the player's next turn?

#2 Would be good.  It could be handled in an instructions page, but there isn't one.  Even the Wiki doesn't have complete descriptions of everything.

#3 doesn't seem like a good idea

#4 and #5 would be somewhat useful.  Again, tho, a good instructions page could handle that.  We just need such a page.

#6 is a bad idea for reasons others have stated here

#7 not a bad idea, but I really don't see the need

 

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