Card renting system for new players

[UnderneathTheLens]

I also don't support this idea. I think it's perfectly possible for new players to easily advance from AI3s to FGs.

I convinced a friend to start recently, and already he has an upgraded ROL/Hope deck. He started with a simple AI3 farmer, and after obtaining about 10k from it, he upgraded 6 ROLs and started farming the FGs (w/o lobos; he still doesn't have any). This was all done without any help/support from me; he didn't need it.

[waterzx]

I think there s one thing that most people here don't really understand. It IS possible for new players to get rares and upgrades, and there ARE a lot of EASY ways and options for players to do so.

But, possible =/= fun =/= easy

The problem with the grind is that it is boring. You shouldn't use yourself or your friends as example because most people who quit because of boredom won't come to forum. And everyone in this forum is playing this game because they can stand the boredom of grinding.

However, we shouldn't expect that every new player is as patient as people here.

Does anyone really stopped by and took a look at this ?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,37515.0.html

You can say that I'm not patient enough to play this game. The fact is I'm still grinding my last SoR for Instosis because I love this game, and I've been testing my limit of patience in this game. However, there's no fun at all in the grinding.

[Poker Alho]

I think there s one thing that most people here don't really understand. It IS possible for new players to get rares and upgrades, and there ARE a lot of EASY ways and options for players to do so.

But, possible =/= fun =/= easy

The problem with the grind is that it is boring. You shouldn't use yourself or your friends as example because most people who quit because of boredom won't come to forum. And everyone in this forum is playing this game because they can stand the boredom of grinding.

However, we shouldn't expect that every new player is as patient as people here.

Does anyone really stopped by and took a look at this ?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,37515.0.html

You can say that I'm not patient enough to play this game. The fact is I'm still grinding my last SoR for Instosis because I love this game, and I've been testing my limit of patience in this game. However, there's no fun at all in the grinding.

sorry but the game isnt gonna change because some new players cant stand the grind (and you dont have to grind that much if you follow a few tips) so you may wanna consider stop playing if it bores you that much :S

[waterzx]

sorry but the game isnt gonna change because some new players cant stand the grind (and you dont have to grind that much if you follow a few tips) so you may wanna consider stop playing if it bores you that much :S

Interesting. Why can't I have complaint about this game ? Is this game made by god and is this game perfect ?

I've been spending my time on this game and on this forum, and you think I'm typing all these things for fun ? And you tell me to leave because there's something in this game I don't like ? I have complaints about my life, shouldn't I just kill myself ?

No matter how bad my suggestion is, you still can point out what mistake I've made, and you can tell my why introducing the card renting is bad idea. I deserve more than the words "you may wanna consider stop playing if it bores you that much".

All I've said come from my heart and everything I mentioned is what I would like to see in this game. I won't and I can't force you to agree with me but shouldn't you also stop telling me "accept it or you quit" ?

Sorry, all of these is my fault ! I didn't realize that this forum couldn't accept a single complaint.


I'm not the only one who finds the grind exhausting. Look at the poll, half of the people who voted want a change in Arena Rare Spin
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,37756.0.html

[Poker Alho]

sorry but the game isnt gonna change because some new players cant stand the grind (and you dont have to grind that much if you follow a few tips) so you may wanna consider stop playing if it bores you that much :S

Interesting. Why can't I have complaint about this game ? Is this game made by god and is this game perfect ?

I've been spending my time on this game and on this forum, and you think I'm typing all these things for fun ? And you tell me to leave because there's something in this game I don't like ? I have complaints about my life, shouldn't I just kill myself ?

No matter how bad my suggestion is, you still can point out what mistake I've made, and you can tell my why introducing the card renting is bad idea. I deserve more than the words "you may wanna consider stop playing if it bores you that much".

All I've said come from my heart and everything I mentioned is what I would like to see in this game. I won't and I can't force you to agree with me but shouldn't you also stop telling me "accept it or you quit" ?

Sorry, all of these is my fault ! I didn't realize that this forum couldn't accept a single complaint.


I'm not the only one who finds the grind exhausting. Look at the poll, half of the people who voted want a change in Arena Rare Spin
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,37756.0.html

its just a game... and this is just a forum's game, all i was saying is, if you complain that much about something because you say its boring or you dont like it as it is, then why do you keep doing it??

you can complain all you want and obviously the game is not perfect i would like to see where did i wrote that by the way
but seriously if you think the game is boring because it has too much grinding maybe you should try playing less time on a dailly basis. Its not a race you can take your time.
And am i the only one who really doesnt care about the grinding aspect of the game, considering this is one of the few good MMO games that can be played to full extent without having to pay a single cent? I think that counts a lot personally
You are saying you tried everything we told you to do in order to speed up the grind in order to gain rares and electrum fast? and it didnt work? im sorry but if you are the only one that cant get results with our tips and the majority of players can, i will have to conclude that it is you that is not doing something right

[OldTrees]

You can tell my why introducing the card renting is bad idea.

Card renting only works if the card is only going to be used a short time. Long term usage is always cheaper bought than rented. Card renting for commons is going to hurt new players. Card renting for rares results in shortening the game for the people that actually want the game to be long (The collectors).

If there wasn't a trainer then card renting would serve a similar purpose. However the trainer is better for all the positive aspects of the suggestion and has none of the negative aspects of the suggestion.

[waterzx]

Card renting only works if the card is only going to be used a short time.

Long term usage is always cheaper bought than rented. <-- The renting system aims to provide cards that can't be obtained easily, and is not meant to be used for long. The system is meant to facilitate grinding at the beginning

Card renting for commons is going to hurt new players. Card renting for rares results in shortening the game for the people that actually want the game to be long (The collectors). <-- The system facilitates grinding but is not going to ruin the grinding. The problem you suggested can be solved if the system is only available to new players who have no rares, and those who already have the ability to grind without renting will not have access to it.

If there wasn't a trainer then card renting would serve a similar purpose. However the trainer is better for all the positive aspects of the suggestion and has none of the negative aspects of the suggestion. <-- Can you use the cards in trainer for actually playing the game ?

its just a game... and this is just a forum's game, all i was saying is, if you complain that much about something because you say its boring or you dont like it as it is, then why do you keep doing it?? <-- Because I love this game more than you do. I don't make complaints about games I don't like because I won't play them. No matter how foolish my suggestion is, I'm just trying to make this game better, and you tell me to leave ?

you can complain all you want and obviously the game is not perfect i would like to see where did i wrote that by the way
but seriously if you think the game is boring because it has too much grinding maybe you should try playing less time on a dailly basis. Its not a race you can take your time.
And am i the only one who really doesnt care about the grinding aspect of the game, considering this is one of the few good MMO games that can be played to full extent without having to pay a single cent? I think that counts a lot personally
<-- if Zanz tells me that the grinding is so hard because this game doesn't need money, fine, I won't make any complaints.
Does he tell you about that ? If not, why can't I make complaints about the grinding ?
You are saying you tried everything we told you to do in order to speed up the grind in order to gain rares and electrum fast? and it didnt work? im sorry but if you are the only one that cant get results with our tips and the majority of players can, i will have to conclude that it is you that is not doing something right <-- I mentioned in my previous reply : Those who can't stand the grinding leave the game and simply won't show up in this forum. Bro, not every player comes to forum and tells you about the grinding.
And, I think you need to distinguish between "Possible" and "Not fun". I'm saying the grinding is not fun but I'm not saying it's impossible. I just got my third SoR, and I do have progress in this game but I just believe this game would be better if it's not that hard to grind.

[Poker Alho]

If zanz decided to implement this system, and let newbies grab some rares they dont really need to go farm(because there are good rareless decks out there) like oldtrees said, it would probably be even worse, they would spend all of their money renting some shard or whatever for nothing. Besides, rares, like their name points, are supposed to be rare AKA not easily obtainable, means you have to fight your way through to get your hands on one of them, and even that is quite easy to do, considering AI3 does have a good amount of rare weapons that you can get on spins and bronze league is easily farmed to get rares... i really dont get your problem, there are excellent guides in the forum specifically to solve this problem and about those players that dont visit the forum, well too bad for them we cant be responsible for that, if they think the game is being hard, they are the ones to blame if they dont try to search for some kind of deck/guide, visit the game's wiki, or come to the forum, i mean, we cant do everything for them...

[waterzx]

If zanz decided to implement this system, and let newbies grab some rares they dont really need to go farm(because there are good rareless decks out there) like oldtrees said, it would probably be even worse, they would spend all of their money renting some shard or whatever for nothing. <-- Newbies always like spending money on cards they don't need. Newbies don't know the correct way to handle their money, with or without the renting system.

Besides, rares, like their name points, are supposed to be rare AKA not easily obtainable, means you have to fight your way through to get your hands on one of them, and even that is quite easy to do, considering AI3 does have a good amount of rare weapons that you can get on spins and bronze league is easily farmed to get rares... <--Still, this problem can be solved if the renting is closed when the new players already have the ability to farm efficiently on their own. The renting system is just providing a easy start, but won't help them to collect all rares.

i really dont get your problem, there are excellent guides in the forum specifically to solve this problem <-- is there a topic to solve boredom during farming ? I don't see it.

and about those players that dont visit the forum, well too bad for them we cant be responsible for that, if they think the game is being hard, they are the ones to blame if they dont try to search for some kind of deck/guide, visit the game's wiki, or come to the forum, i mean, we cant do everything for them... <-- we can't help them but the renting system may be able to help

[Poker Alho]

If zanz decided to implement this system, and let newbies grab some rares they dont really need to go farm(because there are good rareless decks out there) like oldtrees said, it would probably be even worse, they would spend all of their money renting some shard or whatever for nothing. <-- Newbies always like spending money on cards they don't need. Newbies don't know the correct way to handle their money, with or without the renting system.

Besides, rares, like their name points, are supposed to be rare AKA not easily obtainable, means you have to fight your way through to get your hands on one of them, and even that is quite easy to do, considering AI3 does have a good amount of rare weapons that you can get on spins and bronze league is easily farmed to get rares... <--Still, this problem can be solved if the renting is closed when the new players already have the ability to farm efficiently on their own. The renting system is just providing a easy start, but won't help them to collect all rares.

i really dont get your problem, there are excellent guides in the forum specifically to solve this problem <-- is there a topic to solve boredom during farming ? I don't see it.

and about those players that dont visit the forum, well too bad for them we cant be responsible for that, if they think the game is being hard, they are the ones to blame if they dont try to search for some kind of deck/guide, visit the game's wiki, or come to the forum, i mean, we cant do everything for them... <-- we can't help them but the renting system may be able to help

giving them the renting system would account for another way for them to spend their money the wrong way so actually it could cause more harm than good in theory

And YES! there are threads about breaking the boredom of grinding ! music helps, heck i even used to exercise at the same time if i was home, studying also helps for me dunno why... be creative! and surely you can do more stuff online than just playing elements

[OldTrees]

Card renting only works if the card is only going to be used a short time.

Long term usage is always cheaper bought than rented. <-- The renting system aims to provide cards that can't be obtained easily, and is not meant to be used for long. The system is meant to facilitate grinding at the beginning

Card renting for commons is going to hurt new players. Card renting for rares results in shortening the game for the people that actually want the game to be long (The collectors). <-- The system facilitates grinding but is not going to ruin the grinding. The problem you suggested can be solved if the system is only available to new players who have no rares, and those who already have the ability to grind without renting will not have access to it.

If there wasn't a trainer then card renting would serve a similar purpose. However the trainer is better for all the positive aspects of the suggestion and has none of the negative aspects of the suggestion. <-- Can you use the cards in trainer for actually playing the game ?

Your suggestion is a renting system that turns off at some point. It enables the player to skip the very first part (modified starting deck) of the grind by elongating the next part(to pay off rent).

My suggestion for new players is to test decks in the trainer before buying the cards. This does nothing about the rate of the grind but does reduce mistakes that lose  .

I prefer the long assured path rather than the shorted riskier path however I can see your perspective.

[waterzx]

giving them the renting system would account for another way for them to spend their money the wrong way so actually it could cause more harm than good in theory <-- If a newbie is noob enough to spend all money on renting, then they would spend all money to but unnecessary cards too. If a newbie is intelligent enough to save money, he won't spend all money on renting

And YES! there are threads about breaking the boredom of grinding ! music helps, heck i even used to exercise at the same time if i was home, studying also helps for me dunno why... be creative! and surely you can do more stuff online than just playing elements <-- But this doesn't change the fact that grinding itself is boring ,even yourself have admitted it. What I suggested is to reduce the boredom of grinding.

Your suggestion is a renting system that turns off at some point. It enables the player to skip the very first part (modified starting deck) of the grind by elongating the next part(to pay off rent).

My suggestion for new players is to test decks in the trainer before buying the cards. This does nothing about the rate of the grind but does reduce mistakes that lose  .

I prefer the long assured path rather than the shorted riskier path however I can see your perspective. <-- Glad that you finally see my point. If this is a matter of perspective, there's no way for me to further convince you. This post is indeed based a lot on my personally perspective.