*Author

Offline PwnatorTopic starter

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 186
  • Country: ph
  • Reputation Power: 3
  • Pwnator is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • :3
Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518667#msg518667
« on: July 07, 2012, 05:04:39 am »
I've been trying to get some SoSe/SoFr spins, and 3 of the past 20 matches in Silver and Gold have been this:

Assigned card: Titan
Deck: Poison Dials

Card: Adrenaline
Deck: Ghostmare

Card: Parallel Universe
Deck: Mono  :darkness

THOSE ARE DAMN GOOD CARDS. None of them even bothered to include a SINGLE  :gravity:life:aether pend,  :rainbow pillar, or a Nova. I was lucky I was able to beat all those decks (no spin though :(), but that's not enough to kick them out of the top 500. Those decks got like at least 20 undeserving wins and all they did was prevent creative (albeit less efficient) decks from getting a couple of chances to shine. Heck, even oraclebows are better than these.

I fought a deck where its concept was to catapult frozen Steam Machines. It was pretty cool. I was sad I kicked it out of the arena, and the next deck I faced? That Poison Dial deck. It really just rustles my jimmies.

Is there any way to ban decks that have no way to produce quanta for the assigned Oracle card?

Offline neuroleptics

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1075
  • Reputation Power: 13
  • neuroleptics is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.neuroleptics is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.
  • I resent the limitations to my own imaginations
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518677#msg518677
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2012, 05:15:49 am »
well, you don't have to right? you know, some players are just too young in this game, you can't expect them to have the decks having them obtain a random card each time. As a platinum player myself, it's different. I choose to put in dead cards once in a while so that i help people to farm, but i'm able to form any decks given that i've almost every card (6 un-up and 6 upgraded) in my deck.
Remember the T50 decks? well, it's up to those people to play whatever they like. Play well, you stay, play badly, you get kicked out of top 500 real soon.

So why bother the cards that they chose? the card was to assist them, but if they failed to capitalize that, it's up- to them and they were not doing anything wrong
« Last Edit: July 07, 2012, 05:17:57 am by neuroleptics »
Decks | Arena
Gravity#War 6 | Time #Budokan3 #Guild | Life

Offline PwnatorTopic starter

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 186
  • Country: ph
  • Reputation Power: 3
  • Pwnator is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • :3
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518686#msg518686
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2012, 05:43:05 am »
All right, I'll admit it's still slightly hard to make decent decks when you're in the low Silver tier, but when you're in the high Silver tier (let alone Gold), you shouldn't have an excuse not being able to at least integrate your card into your deck. If you can't build a deck around crappy cards like Plate Armor or Flooding, I would understand. But seriously? Titan, Epi and TU have tons of synergies, and purposely pasting a completely different deck over it just shows how terrible your sportsmanship is.

Get beaten by a deck built around a powerful card? That deck would most likely net a couple of thumbs up. Get beaten by a deck that doesn't even use the assigned card? Anyone who thumbs that deck up is drunk.

Offline furballdn

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7573
  • Reputation Power: 86
  • furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • Facetious trollnotmod
  • Awards: Epic 3 Card Winner - Clockwork GolemBest Recruiter of FriendsBest JournalistBest Chat PainterBattle - Slayer of The Great ChimeraBest Crafted Relic of Other
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518688#msg518688
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2012, 05:45:51 am »
No need to ban the decks, but it is very irritating to build oraclebows or oracledecks. The good news is that they'll have 5 (10) dead cards if they do that, and you won't thumb them up anyway. Maybe we should do this.

Offline Absol

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2383
  • Country: id
  • Reputation Power: 35
  • Absol is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Absol is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Absol is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Absol is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Absol is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Absol is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.Absol is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.
  • Consectetur Adipiscing Elit
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518689#msg518689
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 05:49:53 am »
Parallel universe wasted on Monodark? Not even Mono Aether?! Now that's news.
Either way, if you suspect those unoriginal decks swarming the Arena, best thing we can do is bring perfect counter to do 2 things:
1. WIN (and pwn at that) those stupid Ghostmares, Poisondials, et cetera.
2. Lose against original decks, thus raising their rank.
"Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum, quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit."
"There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain."

Offline neuroleptics

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1075
  • Reputation Power: 13
  • neuroleptics is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.neuroleptics is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.
  • I resent the limitations to my own imaginations
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518708#msg518708
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2012, 06:18:46 am »
All right, I'll admit it's still slightly hard to make decent decks when you're in the low Silver tier, but when you're in the high Silver tier (let alone Gold), you shouldn't have an excuse not being able to at least integrate your card into your deck. If you can't build a deck around crappy cards like Plate Armor or Flooding, I would understand. But seriously? Titan, Epi and TU have tons of synergies, and purposely pasting a completely different deck over it just shows how terrible your sportsmanship is.

Well,  you just earn some  :electrum, so that's your earn and their lost. regarding sportsmanship? i guess, you can't complain that you are a better player, right? and as i said even if you think they are not utilizing the cards, they are not at fault
« Last Edit: July 07, 2012, 06:22:25 am by neuroleptics »
Decks | Arena
Gravity#War 6 | Time #Budokan3 #Guild | Life

Offline Naesala

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3432
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 52
  • Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Naesala brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 15th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday Cake
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518714#msg518714
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2012, 06:25:49 am »
banning a deck that cannot even generate quanta of the card they were given -could- work, but I forsee people tossing in a nova and just having 6 dead cards. And Oraclebows would still happen
Your favorite Hotyugh

Offline furballdn

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7573
  • Reputation Power: 86
  • furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.furballdn is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • Facetious trollnotmod
  • Awards: Epic 3 Card Winner - Clockwork GolemBest Recruiter of FriendsBest JournalistBest Chat PainterBattle - Slayer of The Great ChimeraBest Crafted Relic of Other
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518715#msg518715
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2012, 06:27:55 am »
Make it so you can thumbs up/down decks you beat as well. You don't change their rating gain/loss, but you can change their electrum gain.

Offline neuroleptics

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1075
  • Reputation Power: 13
  • neuroleptics is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.neuroleptics is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.
  • I resent the limitations to my own imaginations
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518717#msg518717
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 06:30:46 am »
Make it so you can thumbs up/down decks you beat as well. You don't change their rating gain/loss, but you can change their electrum gain.

This sounds good
Decks | Arena
Gravity#War 6 | Time #Budokan3 #Guild | Life

Offline Annele

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2071
  • Country: nz
  • Reputation Power: 34
  • Annele is a Ghost, obsessed with their Elemental pursuits.Annele is a Ghost, obsessed with their Elemental pursuits.Annele is a Ghost, obsessed with their Elemental pursuits.Annele is a Ghost, obsessed with their Elemental pursuits.Annele is a Ghost, obsessed with their Elemental pursuits.Annele is a Ghost, obsessed with their Elemental pursuits.
  • i should really update my profile
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 12th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 11th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeC-C-C Combomaker 3# WinnerSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518721#msg518721
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2012, 06:32:51 am »
Maybe making it so that if you don't have any QPs, pillars/pends or a mark of the same element as the Oracle card, you aren't allowed to submit it. It would be a bit simpler to code. (I think ;))
Beware the Darkness.

Offline neuroleptics

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1075
  • Reputation Power: 13
  • neuroleptics is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.neuroleptics is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.
  • I resent the limitations to my own imaginations
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518727#msg518727
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2012, 06:39:40 am »
Maybe making it so that if you don't have any QPs, pillars/pends or a mark of the same element as the Oracle card, you aren't allowed to submit it. It would be a bit simpler to code. (I think ;))

mark used must be of the same element as the oracle cards wouldn't do. consider i get chrysora, and now i need a  :death mark
Decks | Arena
Gravity#War 6 | Time #Budokan3 #Guild | Life

Offline PwnatorTopic starter

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 186
  • Country: ph
  • Reputation Power: 3
  • Pwnator is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • :3
Re: Banning irrelevant Oracle decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41808.msg518728#msg518728
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2012, 06:44:49 am »
Maybe making it so that if you don't have any QPs, pillars/pends or a mark of the same element as the Oracle card, you aren't allowed to submit it. It would be a bit simpler to code. (I think ;))
Actually this would be unfair in a a lot of circumstances (if your card is Phoenix, for example, you could just use Immo or Elite Fireflies).

But yeah, I'm all for furball's idea.

 

blarg: