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Re: icybraker and PuppyChow have been appointed Deck Helpers! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8022.msg90882#msg90882
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2010, 01:39:47 am »
Congrats to you both.
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Hobnob5000

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Re: icybraker and PuppyChow have been appointed Deck Helpers! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8022.msg91103#msg91103
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2010, 06:46:11 am »
Well done, you two are definitely right for the Job. Have fun with those newbies :P

Yala, the funny thing is, SG will probably have hired more Deck Helpers as the community grows. what you have done here in this thread has kind of killed your chances a bit though. SG is, I am sure, being perfectly unbiased, but as you didn't get the position, you immediately assume she is against you. If every time I got rejected from a job, I had a rant at the manager, I wouldn't have many friends right now. You need to accept that they were probably better for the Job in many ways, and you must accept this, and move on.
It also sounds like you wanted the title, and not the responsibility so much. The title isn't for showing off, it's so people know who you are, and so can get help whenever. The title for showing off with is "Administrator":P

unionruler

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Re: icybraker and PuppyChow have been appointed Deck Helpers! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8022.msg91126#msg91126
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2010, 07:16:15 am »
Well done, you two are definitely right for the Job. Have fun with those newbies :P

Yala, the funny thing is, SG will probably have hired more Deck Helpers as the community grows. what you have done here in this thread has kind of killed your chances a bit though. SG is, I am sure, being perfectly unbiased, but as you didn't get the position, you immediately assume she is against you. If every time I got rejected from a job, I had a rant at the manager, I wouldn't have many friends right now. You need to accept that they were probably better for the Job in many ways, and you must accept this, and move on.
It also sounds like you wanted the title, and not the responsibility so much. The title isn't for showing off, it's so people know who you are, and so can get help whenever. The title for showing off with is "Administrator":P
Killed chances? More like lese majeste. With all due respect, I think that Yala was the best qualified, and I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling as such, only you don't see everything that goes behind the scenes hobnob.

As for the title, well, as I did say earlier, helping newbies with decks ought to be an altruistic thing, that in this instance sadly had to be contextualized with the creation of a title. I'm quite sure everyone who applied for this appointment wanted the title, because one of its functions is a form of recognition for contributions rendered. Furthermore, nobody who seriously applied for this appointment doesn't want the responsibility so much as you say, because they've probably already been doing it all this while. Please do give it a think.

miniwally

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Re: icybraker and PuppyChow have been appointed Deck Helpers! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8022.msg91127#msg91127
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2010, 07:18:59 am »
The title helps the new people (forget which version of the words is the non-offensive one) say who they should bombard with PMs to find out how to improve there decks and such, basically it gives them a target to aim at rather than going ask random people that might ahve no idea what they're on about. If SG sees that we need more people then some will be added I'm sure.

unionruler

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Re: icybraker and PuppyChow have been appointed Deck Helpers! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8022.msg91130#msg91130
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2010, 07:23:30 am »
The title helps the new people (forget which version of the words is the non-offensive one) say who they should bombard with PMs to find out how to improve there decks and such, basically it gives them a target to aim at rather than going ask random people that might ahve no idea what they're on about. If SG sees that we need more people then some will be added I'm sure.
I'm sure that is its main function. However, it is not the only function. It would be nice if we could create titles that just served their purpose, to inform others of an appointment, but I'm afraid it never actually turns out that way in reality?

miniwally

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Re: icybraker and PuppyChow have been appointed Deck Helpers! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8022.msg91132#msg91132
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2010, 07:24:51 am »
The title helps the new people (forget which version of the words is the non-offensive one) say who they should bombard with PMs to find out how to improve there decks and such, basically it gives them a target to aim at rather than going ask random people that might ahve no idea what they're on about. If SG sees that we need more people then some will be added I'm sure.
I'm sure that is its main function. However, it is not the only function. It would be nice if we could create titles that just served their purpose, to inform others of an appointment, but I'm afraid it never actually turns out that way in reality?
What other things has this title caused then?

unionruler

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Re: icybraker and PuppyChow have been appointed Deck Helpers! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8022.msg91145#msg91145
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2010, 08:44:42 am »
1. Issues of meritocracy
If titles were purely informative, this would be irrelevant. However, this title comes with recognition for service to the community rendered in terms of deckbuilding help accorded to newbies. Therefore, there is a need to justify why candidates were picked over other candidates, and also a need for a legitimate avenue of appeal to someone other than the decision maker to be made available, much like we have equal opportunities commissions in real life.

2. Issues of allocative efficiency
If all candidates possessed equal responsibilities towards the community at the onset, this would be irrelevant. However, some candidates do already have other assignments in their portfolio, which could benefit from greater time and effort invested in them. Therefore, there is a need to demonstrate how corporate streamlining is achieved by not bringing more people into the team who are at least equally qualified, where there exists a real and present opportunity.

3. Issues of productive efficiency
If all candidates were equally dedicated irregardless of whether they got appointed or not, this would be irrelevant. Although many people will and have (expectedly) criticized Yala's outburst because of the quote, a part of that is accountable to human reaction. Losing a member's expertise does not become a lesser issue even when cast in that light. Therefore, there is a need to evaluate and answer to the community why the deckbuilding capacity offered to them is decreased (at least temporarily) when this position was created for that purpose in the first place.

Scaredgirl

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Re: icybraker and PuppyChow have been appointed Deck Helpers! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8022.msg91155#msg91155
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2010, 09:44:10 am »
To unionruler and others with similar opinions: there are a lot of things you don't know.

Anyone who thinks I hate yaladilae and didn't want him to get the title is simply wrong. If you look at that poll yaladilae made, it was actually me who was asking for his application because I wanted to make the decision fast, and he for some reason hadn't sent his application.

Unfortunately for yaladilae, War event delayed this application process, and his actions during that time didn't look good. I'm not going to appoint someone to forum staff who has repeatedly said he doesn't care about the forums (among with some other things). I would be an idiot to hire someone like that.

Like I've said before, Deck Helper title is not some reward for helping new players, it's a forum job. When you run your own forum or your own company, you can choose who you hire. But unless you are in my shoes and know all the facts, please don't tell me what I should have done. I think I have earned the right to choose who I work with to make this forum better. I chose icybraker and PuppyChow, and I'm very happy with both of these choices.

And yes, we will most likely have more Deck Helper positions available in the future. It all depends on how big we will make this Deck Archive project.

It's time to end this discussion. Gratz to icybraker and PuppyChow. Locking thread.

 

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