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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg383902#msg383902
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2011, 05:22:05 pm »
Although I haven't made 1000 posts I have been playing the game (by the way you lost "the game") for about 3 years. By the by I would make a great Master of Mutation :entropy
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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg383946#msg383946
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2011, 08:04:58 pm »
And why would a beta tester super-veteran think that Mutation is an Element?

Oh, and I'm not going to be applying. I don't think I would enjoy the job, and there are plenty of people that will be able to do the job well.
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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg384125#msg384125
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2011, 05:22:18 am »
about how long I've been playing I play a lot of games similar to elements and have enough of a life not to have remembering how long I've played each one, but thanks for correcting me about the years it has been out. Also I never said I was a super veteran (sorry if you got that impression) I don't even consider myself very good at it, I'm just like the game and am familiar with it, and mutation is not an element (I never said it was) however it is a style of game play, my personal favorite, and "Master of Mutation" is an amazing name.

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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg384130#msg384130
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2011, 05:38:14 am »
Let's move this discussion elsewhere and stay on topic please!

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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg387346#msg387346
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2011, 08:34:51 pm »
have the people selected been notified yet? or has no one been selected yet?
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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg390328#msg390328
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2011, 05:21:11 pm »
if the job is availible in the future then i will apply but i only joined a few days ago so no point applying now. :(

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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg390641#msg390641
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2011, 10:41:38 am »
This was easily the most difficult recruitment decision I've had to make so far. It was clear to me from the start that I would have to disappoint a lot of qualified people.

Main requirement was veteran status, meaning a combination of join date and post count, with some emphasis on join date. This is because players who have been here since the beginning, are more likely to stick around until the end. Other requirements were staff titles, current activity, etc.

I removed a couple of applications because I felt that they would not be suitable for this job. Most of the applicants however were people that would make great Arena Moderators, but unfortunately I was cursed with only 6 available spots.

Other than removing a couple of applications, I tried to be as objective as possible with the remaining applications and mainly look at the facts, not my subjective opinions on who should get the job, although most of the time those two are in sync.

Here is the list:

New Arena Moderators
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Essence
Higurashi
Kamietsu
pikachufan2164
willng3
Zblader

One of the names on the list was suggested by Zanz, 4 names were picked using methods I described earlier, and one name was picked between two people by flipping a coin because I felt that both applicants were equal and I wanted RNG to decide rather than me. With equal candidates, it's more fair that way.

I am very happy with this lineup. Some reliable and hard-working people were left out, but with only 6 spots, that was unavoidable. Congratulations to all 6. You will be given the titles and passwords during the next few days.

Anyone who applied and thought they should have been picked instead, feel free to PM me and ask why you were not picked, although the most likely reason is join date and/or post count, or you were that very unlucky person who lost the coin flip.

I will keep all the applications in safe place, and if more Arena Moderators are needed, people who applied this time, will be looked at first.


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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg390642#msg390642
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2011, 10:46:09 am »
I feel like it's hard to get in between the people who are already staff members, wich kind of disappoints me. I'd really love to be able to do more for this community and get involved, but always seem to strand at my applications for the last few months...

Congrats nonetheless to our 6 new Arena mods! They all seem qualified and good choices tbh.

ps. I assume Zanz picked Essence? Or is that none of my business? :D

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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg390645#msg390645
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2011, 11:14:52 am »
(...) Other requirements were staff titles (...)
No. Just no. Having a title being a reason for a getting a title =
  • ]No reason. (if you're thinking about the "they have proven their worth in the past" argument, that's... wrong. Proving yourself is already done through join date, current activity & post count.)
  • It leads to comment such as japperts & this one (in chat) ''It's disappointing to see that only staff members have been picked''. I can understand that most staff people are apropriate, but staff title is not a usable condition for the following reason :
  • It makes people feel like : i'm not in the staff yet, therefore my chances to get into it are horribly low. I know it's false, but what you said is like blaring a horn saying to all those people : Ohay, you're 100% right!
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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg390647#msg390647
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2011, 11:43:59 am »
''It's disappointing to see that only staff members have been picked''
This.

Also:To avoid comments like this i recommend:More spots(like 10 or so) or create an report system that everyone can use.
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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg390648#msg390648
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2011, 11:51:58 am »
Other requirements were staff titles, current activity, etc.
I would have think that already having a staff title would be inadvisable. In fact, cumulating the jobs would give you less time to do each job properly. Also it decreases the number of persons involved in the well functioning of the community.

Don't misunderstand me, SG, I don't wanna teach you how you should do your Job. Taking a decision is one of the most difficult things in life (at least it is more difficult than to criticize it). Your reasoning is understandable but it feels a bit the same as a bank only willing to lend money to the riches.

Saying this doesn't diminishes the good I think about all the recruited moderators. All are valuable and motivated people and I am sure they'll do their job well. Congrats to all.


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Re: Apply for a job: Arena Moderator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30055.msg390651#msg390651
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2011, 12:18:14 pm »
If you examine the people who were picked, you will see that it was mostly the veteran status that led to the selection. The fact that 5/6 of them are also staff members (or 6/6 is you consider Council Member as a staff title), is just a coincidence.

What I meant by "Other requirements were staff titles" was that in a case of a tie, staff titles could have possible been used as a tiebreaker. "Requirement" was probably not the best choice of wording here. better wording would have been "things that I take into consideration when making a decision". Actual requirements for this job were posted earlier, and did not include staff title.

It is important to realize that Arena Moderator is not some regular title like Competition Organizer or Card Curator. Arena Moderator is a special title that is much closer to say Global Moderator. This is why veteran status is much more important than with regular titles. Also the job is an easy one, so already having other title or titles, is not a problem.

Anyone who thought that they would get an important moderator position over those with clear seniority and staff experience, was overly optimistic. It could have happened if less people applied, but when tons of people did, those with less experience were naturally left out. That's how recruitment works in real life as well.

If we use that bank analogy mentioned earlier, this is not about "only willing to lend money to the riches". This is about promoting the person who has been sitting as a bank teller for a year without any pay as opposed to some who hasn't, or someone who just walked into the bank.



I would prefer if further recruitment discussion would be done using PM's. If people complain on this topic, they are indirectly saying that they think wrong people got picked, which I personally think is very lame. How about we forget all that negativity, congratulate the people who got the title, and move on?

There will be other job openings posted later. Anyone willing to help out the community, will get a change to do just that.

 

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