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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156344#msg1156344
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2014, 08:52:21 pm »
Does this solve the 'how did he get 'cursed'?' mystery?
If not, I'm about to say that the straw of the juice was poisoned.

Also, can you please strikethrough (like this) the mysteries in the OP which were already solved? Or put a 'Solved!' after them? I'm not sure which ones are solved currently and which ones are not. ?_? (following 4 mysteries were much easier in the previous game ^^")

The magic poison is yet to be dispelled; how was the poison applied and by whom without the use of magic? Otherwise, I added the 'Solved' thing in the main post.

I also need the human truth to be, you know, actually white and bold...

... okay, you disproved the story part, but didn't react for the technical part ...
Now again:

When Leo figured out that Zack had a problem, Damien moved into the 5th cart, because he had the intention to move there (if you need a theory, he was just annoyed of the punks, so he went to a cart where he can't hear them). At any point between this point and the point where Andrew was limping out of the cart, Andrew killed Damien, he then hid the body somewhere in the 5th cart (for example in the overhead space for luggages. Hell! Even a person could fit there).

Also, please clarify (not necessarily in black):
Was the businessman who collided with Andrew in the beginning of the story Terry or Richard?

Terry is much skinnier than Richard. :P

Damien's body was not found inside the 5th cart after officers investigated the train.

The warlock would never hide or attempt to hide a corpse.

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156373#msg1156373
« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2014, 11:17:45 pm »
The culprit went to the Engine Cart and exited through the opening that Ivan made. He then parkoured through the top of the train to the Driver's cart and opened the roof panel. When it was opened, the culprit dropped a BOMB down which killed the people inside, but didn't blast big enough to destroy the whole cart. After the explosion, he jumped in through the roof panel and took the Conductor Key of one of the victims to open the door from the inside. This happened before I went down to help Zack.

Alternatively,

Instead of jumping through the Driver Cart's roof panel, the culprit parkoured back to the Engine Cart and went back inside the train. The Driver's Cart door was later opened by either Jack or Patty from the outside.

I'm pretty sure that the culprit entered or attacked through the roof panel.
About the Engine cart being open or not:

The Engine cart's door was not closed when the culprit moved through it.

OR

When Ivan unlocked it from the inside, he didn't close it afterwards, this is why it was open.

Or if you attempt to copy a previous black truth:

The culprit got on the top of the train through an opening in Cart 5/Cart 4/Cart 3 or Cart 2.

I found this double negative statement:
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No one inside the driver's cart would not willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
Can the double negative be fixed please? ('would willingly let' instead of 'would not willingly let')

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There were 18 people on the train
This means that an extra, unnamed person is included in the story unless Kuro messed up the maths.

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Unless someone left the train via the Engine Room (6th cart), any other person would have spotted someone leaving the train via a passenger or bathroom window and told the officers/train staff/any other person what happened.
Change 'Unless' to 'If' please, because this is not a correct truth yet and leaves the corresponding white truth uncountered.

Replying to your last black truths:
Either the straw or the opening of the juice was poisoned before Zack touched it with his lips. His lips absorbed the poison on contact.

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The poison was applied in a room you were not present at by a kiss.
What does 'by a kiss' mean? Can you just delete 'at by a kiss' to avoid confusion? ^^" I think the sentence would mean the same.

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There are no hatches/openings on the bottom or underneath the train due to safety reasons.
Where do the urine and faeces leave the train then from the bathrooms? xD

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Damien's body was not found inside the 5th cart after officers investigated the train.

The warlock would never hide or attempt to hide a corpse.
The culprit, aka the warlock burned Damien's dead body to ashes.

Alternatively,

The officers overlooked Damien's body. Damien hid so well in the 5th cart when he was alive that only the warlock could find and kill him.

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156459#msg1156459
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2014, 06:47:08 am »
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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156668#msg1156668
« Reply #75 on: September 22, 2014, 11:01:32 am »
The culprit went to the Engine Cart and exited through the opening that Ivan made. He then parkoured through the top of the train to the Driver's cart and opened the roof panel. When it was opened, the culprit dropped a BOMB down which killed the people inside, but didn't blast big enough to destroy the whole cart. After the explosion, he jumped in through the roof panel and took the Conductor Key of one of the victims to open the door from the inside. This happened before I went down to help Zack.

Alternatively,

Instead of jumping through the Driver Cart's roof panel, the culprit parkoured back to the Engine Cart and went back inside the train. The Driver's Cart door was later opened by either Jack or Patty from the outside.

I'm pretty sure that the culprit entered or attacked through the roof panel.

The culprit never opened any roof panel.

About the Engine cart being open or not:

The Engine cart's door was not closed when the culprit moved through it.

OR

When Ivan unlocked it from the inside, he didn't close it afterwards, this is why it was open.

Or if you attempt to copy a previous black truth:

The culprit got on the top of the train through an opening in Cart 5/Cart 4/Cart 3 or Cart 2.

I still have to use a previous black truth (underlined the key word for emphasis this time):

The two hatches/opening panels on the roof were shut and could not be opened with one's hands.

Ivan closed the Engine door to prevent anyone from seeing that it was left open.


I found this double negative statement:
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No one inside the driver's cart would not willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
Can the double negative be fixed please? ('would willingly let' instead of 'would not willingly let')

Fixed. :P

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There were 18 people on the train
This means that an extra, unnamed person is included in the story unless Kuro messed up the maths.

What? No, there were only 18 people on the train total. Count the names, INCLUDE yourself, and you'll see that it was exactly 18. Do I really have to list the names again in black? >_<

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Unless someone left the train via the Engine Room (6th cart), any other person would have spotted someone leaving the train via a passenger or bathroom window and told the officers/train staff/any other person what happened.
Change 'Unless' to 'If' please, because this is not a correct truth yet and leaves the corresponding white truth uncountered.

Replying to your last black truths:
Either the straw or the opening of the juice was poisoned before Zack touched it with his lips. His lips absorbed the poison on contact.

Fixed the previous black truth, but a new one (as well as an old one with additions) awaits! [underlined details]

Zack never used a straw.

Zack was the first one to open the juice bottle, thus making it impossible for the poison to be put into the juice or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.


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The poison was applied in a room you were not present at by a kiss.
What does 'by a kiss' mean? Can you just delete 'at by a kiss' to avoid confusion? ^^" I think the sentence would mean the same.

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There are no hatches/openings on the bottom or underneath the train due to safety reasons.
Where do the urine and faeces leave the train then from the bathrooms? xD

Deleting the 'by a kiss' part at your request I guess.

For the latter, bodily waste exits into a compartment under the diner's cart (storage doesn't just include food inventory for the diner's cart or train supplies), which gets emptied out from the side. On another note though, by hatches and openings, I mean that there are no realistic openings for a person to enter or exit through from underneath, unless you're saying a) people can shrink and change their body sizes via magic to enter/exit these openings \:D/ or b) there's no openings or hatches on the bottom in case one is left slightly ajar and someone gets killed via stepping OUT of the train and getting run over.

Either way, the truths both hold. Also, no need to turn this into a black truth since it's just trivial details UNLESS you absolutely want me to do so. :/

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Damien's body was not found inside the 5th cart after officers investigated the train.

The warlock would never hide or attempt to hide a corpse.
The culprit, aka the warlock burned Damien's dead body to ashes.
Alternatively,
The officers overlooked Damien's body. Damien hid so well in the 5th cart when he was alive that only the warlock could find and kill him.

More will come later.

Clever, but nowhere close.
Damien's body is still completely intact and recognizable.

Damien never tried to hide from anyone.

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156813#msg1156813
« Reply #76 on: September 23, 2014, 08:42:50 am »
Now I'm scared that I scared you solvers off. :(

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156817#msg1156817
« Reply #77 on: September 23, 2014, 09:03:43 am »
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This makes no sense. Please leave out reasons from black truths if they are not related in any way with the content. ?_?

It should have been said easy and simple:
There was no poison inside or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156818#msg1156818
« Reply #78 on: September 23, 2014, 09:08:40 am »
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This makes no sense. Please leave out reasons from black truths if they are not related in any way with the content. ?_?

It should have been said easy and simple:
There was no poison inside or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.

I thought the grammar was fine, but okay. :(

There was no poison inside or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156834#msg1156834
« Reply #79 on: September 23, 2014, 10:15:10 am »
Olivia splattered poison on the opening of Zack's juice after he opened it.
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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156838#msg1156838
« Reply #80 on: September 23, 2014, 10:23:47 am »
Olivia splattered poison on the opening of Zack's juice after he opened it.

Olivia never entered the room Zack was in after he opened the juice bottle.

Zack finished the juice before heading downstairs.

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156908#msg1156908
« Reply #81 on: September 23, 2014, 07:35:59 pm »
I have no freaking idea what is going on.
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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156927#msg1156927
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2014, 10:18:01 pm »
I have no freaking idea what is going on.
We're trying to solve murder mysteries. Wanna join?

For now: Zack was drinking from the bathroom sink's water, which was actually poisonous.

Or if you didn't hear any absurd guesses in a while, here is what came to my mind on the bus:
Zack, after using the bathroom, tried to wash his hands when a snake jumped out of the sink and bitten Zack's lips. The snake then left through the toilet.
So yeah, this last one was inspired by a movie, where a terrorist wanted to kill someone on a plane by loading different kinds of snakes on board. The snakes then went loose and bitten people on various sensitive places, including one's tongue/mouth/lips. It also had a scene where they entered the pilot's room and there was a dead body on the floor and one on the counter, so
The people in the driver's cart were killed by an animal.
And we keep driving into the night
It's a late goodbye, such a late goodbye...

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1156975#msg1156975
« Reply #83 on: September 24, 2014, 08:58:11 am »
For now: Zack was drinking from the bathroom sink's water, which was actually poisonous.

Or if you didn't hear any absurd guesses in a while, here is what came to my mind on the bus:
Zack, after using the bathroom, tried to wash his hands when a snake jumped out of the sink and bitten Zack's lips. The snake then left through the toilet.
[snip]...
The people in the driver's cart were killed by an animal.

To repeat: Zack did not ingest anything poisonous.

And also: There were no animals on the train at any point during the story.

 

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