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Witch’s Warlock's Game :chroma
I know the rules, show me the story! (#post_skip)
Take me to the dark, black truths! (#post_skip2)
The Witch’s Game is a pure battle of wits using nothing but text!
The game is played between two teams, the Humans and the Witch (or in this game, a Warlock).
The Warlock is the Game's Master, and everyone else plays on the Human team with the goal of defeating the Warlock.
The Game Master will weave together a tale, creating a scenario in which one or more people are murdered in a mysterious fashion.
The game is centred around these mysteries.
The Warlock's goal is to convince the Human team that the mysterious events can only be explained through the use of a Warlock's Magic!
The Warlock is allowed to use any amount of deception and illusions in their narrative to accomplish that goal. However, a Warlock can't be trusted!
After all, there's no such thing as magic right? The illusions shown in the narrative must have an explanation!
So, the goal of the Human team is to come up with an explanation, ANY explanation that explains how a human could have possibly committed the crimes.
The Human team wins if they are able to explain the crimes through human means.
However, isn't this too easy? You can just come up with any crazy explanation and claim that you have won...
But the Warlock is given a single weapon to fight against these crazy theories!
That weapon is the Warlock's Black Truth!
When the Warlock speaks in black, it will be the truth.
When the Warlock speaks the truth, it will be in black.
By using the Black Truth, the Warlock is able to cut down opposing theories and preserve the illusion of magic.
Black statements are the only trustworthy words that a Warlock will speak. They are the only absolute truth within this game.
In other words, if it's not in black, you have every right to doubt it!
The Warlock may use the Black Truth at their own leisure.
If the human team asks a question, the Warlock can choose whether or not to answer it in black.
If the human team asks for a statement to be repeated in black, the Warlock has every right to refuse should they choose to do so.
It's the Warlock's ultimate weapon!
However, isn't this a bit unfair, again?
If the Black Truth is the one thing in this game that can be trusted, what if the Warlock never speaks in black? What if they just never drops a single solid footing for the human team to stand on, and vanishes forever within the shadow of illusions?
With no lead, the humans stand no chance, which is why they are given a weapon of their own!
That weapon is the counteracting white Truth!
A white statement must provide a complete theory on how a mystery is possible for humans.
If the white statement is valid, then it MUST be countered in black, or the Warlock must forfeit that mystery to the Human team.
In other words, if the Human team can land a white Truth for every mystery in the tale that the Warlock is unable to counter, it is their win!
There is no limit to the number of white Truths you can say, as long as it provides a valid human theory, you can fire away.
That's the game's premise. If it doesn't make sense to you, don't worry. Once you give it a try you'll understand how it works very quickly.
The remaining rules are just some logistical guidelines to follow.
There will be one Warlock and Game Master for each game session.
The Warlock's Black Truths will be spoken in Bold and the colour "black".
Everyone else is on the Human team.
The Human team's white Truths will be spoken also in Bold and the colour "white" (You don't have to type this out. Hooray! :D ).
Should the human team win, the person who lands the final white truth can decide the next Witch Game.
The last thing is a guarantee of fairness in the game. As this must be a fair game in nature, the Warlock must have an appropriate line of "logic" for the Human team to find. In other words, to be a fair game, the human team needs to have a fair chance at winning.
Any situation where a Warlock's black truths make it truly impossible to construct a white truth is called a "Logic Error". It is the one thing the Warlock cannot allow to happen on their gameboard.
In any situation where you don't trust the game itself and suspect a Logic Error has occurred, we can call in an "Observer".
The Observer will check that the Warlock's Logic is still valid and does not contradict any of the prior black truths.
Everything clear? Good, then let me present the gameboard of the fourth game.
The Fourth Game
"You okay Kayla?" Her defeated face was defined less by her messy hair, and more by her baggy eyes.
"What do you think? I've been working on a project for the past 48 hours non-stop. Let's just hurry."
You've never been on a train like this before; although it wasn't as modern like Japan's bullet train, it had its own unique style and mix between conventional subway trains and more traditional trains - 2 floors, bathrooms, and even a cart to obtain food. But enough of that. It was getting close to departure time, and you were still a couple blocks away.
As you turned the corner, you noticed a homeless looking fellow partially stumbling out of the path of an older couple, noting the older gentleman was about to strike him with the back of his hand before his (implied) wife restrained him. The couple quickly moved towards the platform, while you and Kayla steered clear of the vagabond staring at you with an almost lifeless hope. You looked back at the vagabond, noticing his plea attempt on a college student, but instead of withdrawing, the student instead decided to offer him some money, and the homeless fellow bowed repeatedly and took the money.
You look up towards the sign saying 'STATION b', realizing that it was supposed to be 'B', but the top part of the letter was worn out. The train was in sight, and eventually, the conductors came out to welcome all of the passengers.
["TRAIN. NUMBER. SIXTY-SIX. NOW BOARDING. HEADED TO:-"]
All of the passengers boarded the train on the 4th cart platform; as you all congregated towards the entrance, you notice two 'punk-looking' teens (or young adults) snickering at the collision between a somewhat scrawny man with a suitcase and the student; the latter apologizing profusely and quickly gathering his dropped items. The former just annoyingly shaking his head after picking up his own possessions.
In the corner of your eye, you noticed a shadow move beyond the train, but maybe it was your imagination. The foggy weather wasn't helping. You entered the bottom floor.
After passing the bathroom and bottom row seats, and ascending the stairs, you look at the inside of the train - very well-kept, nice cushion seats, polished steel ceilings and walls, and enough overhead space for all sorts of luggage to be tucked into. Hell, a person could fit there! (granted, it wouldn't be very comfortable)
You decided to ask, "Where do you want to si-"
"Here's fine." Kayla threw her bag under the seat closest to the staircase, and sat right next to the window, her head already resting on the Velcro detachable pillow. You didn't argue. The other passengers seemed to have scattered themselves accordingly, but you overhear a few hushed conversations here and there...
"Sir, just letting you know that you cannot sit in the Diner's cart until we have checked your tickets. You may however, purchase items and use the bathroom before we check tickets, but please remember that the VIP 2nd bath-"
"...dude, we should... ... alcohol; what are...-"
"O-oh! Sorry, pardon me... John, can you put this there for me?"
The Warlock had broke into the train and finalized his plans. He had saw demons all his life, but he did nothing... until now. His first two acts of manipulation were already done by taking the invisible blessing of a fiend and bloodletting himself to allow his pet to come on board. His next plan was to curse a fallen angel through her greedy ways; a healer who had known better but was corrupted over the years. She would suffer a slow and painful death, one that she would not be able to remedy in her enfeebled state.
Several minutes had passed by as everyone had seated. You note the elderly couple was sitting a few seats on the opposite row behind you; the older woman made a slight smile before returning to her book - her husband was busy flipping through a newspaper. You also spot the two skateboarders sitting up front... apparently poking and giggling at each other. A tall, thuggish man had sat behind them with a glaring face; the thuggish man and the two teenagers were facing towards the back, while you and Kayla were facing the front.
"Tickets please?"
You hand your tickets over to the conductor for her to clip; her name 'PATTY' shown brightly on her name badge. More minutes passed, then the train slowly accelerated... the fog outside was substituted by an equally obscured sky.
A businessman had walked towards the diner's cart; you glance back at the thuggish man still glaring ahead, while the two punks (one with black hair, the other with brown hair) were oblivious to his stares. You turn away awkwardly to the window and realize Kayla was dozing off.
"Uh, it's okay to sleep, you know?"
"It's not that... " Her stomach grumbled.
The businessman busted through the door with a hoard of food; hot dogs, two diet cokes, cheese-stuffed pretzels and even bagels... the smell of cheese, cinnamon, and coffee perked everyone's attention in the cart it seemed, as everyone's head pivoted towards the man's meal. He took a few moments to press the door open to the 5th cart, then disappeared behind the tinted glass window on the door.
"...damn, that smells hella good..."
You smirk. "I'll get something then." The dark haired guy quickly sprung up and headed towards the diner's cart; everyone else followed a bit later.
The diner's cart was clean, but had chairs that were difficult to sit in. With the train shaking so much and making so much noise, the chairs were unstable - a woman (who wore expensive clothing) sat near the food server. Both of the female conductors (PATTY and MARCIA from their name tags) were both standing by near the 2nd cart's doorway chatting. The dark-haired guy partially danced away with a bottle of orange juice; the food server, named 'SHANDELISE' from her badge, came to the counter.
"Oh hay, what can I git you today sir?"
"Two bagels with two cream cheese packs. And two cups of coff-", you paused. "Er, scratch that, just a bottle of water also." You saw a glass door behind her leading to a staircase below, but saw a very obvious key hole. The other staircase across the food service area was blocked by multiple ribbon signs crossing the stairway handles stating, 'PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS FOR ENTERING OR EXITING THE TRAIN. THANK YOU.'
"Sure thang." Shandelise quickly turned and began maneuvering items from shelves and drink coolers towards the counter.
"You know what would be AWESOME with that? A screwdriver."
Everyone turned at the dark-haired guy pointing at his juice in the air.
"SIR, I'm gon' need to see YO' OWN IDENTIFICATION fo' that trensaction." Shandelise retorted acidly. The elderly lady shook her head smiling, while her husband just grimaced. However, the thug's face hadn't changed at all - still angry. Rolling his eyes, the dark-haired skater chuckled and rhythmically stepped back to the 4th cart doorway.
You eavesdrop on the conversation that Patty and Marcia were having, despite their 'whispering'...
"I don't know about Jack's behavior, but he won't do it again I think... right Marcia?"
"It won't be if I catch him pulling the same ******* **** one more time. Tired of him getting away with this..."
"Well... what um, exactly was he looking a-"
"...Do I really need to explain that to you? Jus- no. Patty, if we were fined every time I walked by his STUPID laptop with some nasty stuff being displayed in 1080p HD, all of us would be declaring bankruptcy and the train itself would have to be sold for scrap metal as payment. Nevermind the fact that he just LEAVES his belongings and the laptop wide open while he goes downstairs and just hides in the bathroom for who knows how long. Even Elle once left a bunch of sticky notes all over the screen as some sort of half-baked attempt to stop it, but give me a break. I'm done with his ****."
"If he does it again, Carl would be the one to deal with it."
Marcia rolled her eyes and looked away. You paid for your items and returned to your seat. Unsurprisingly, Kayla passed out. Soon, the other passengers soon returned with their food items, and for several minutes, everything was pretty typical. You ate one bagel and kept the other one wrapped, just in case your co-worker got hunger pains.
"Bathroom?", you hear the brown-haired guy question to his close friend. The other nodded; he looked slightly disoriented based on his movements. Both of them headed downstairs... their footsteps faded into silence temporarily, as you heard an argument explode seconds later.
"W-W-WHAT THE HELL!? YOU CAN'T USE THIS BATHROOM TOO!"
"Chill the **** out fatass and wait or use another one, damn dude!"
"THIS IS ********! I CAN'T USE THE VIP BATHRO- OH **** IT."
Two doors opened and closed, and a relative peace followed once again.
The warlock saw his opportunity; the Satyr had been distracted and as such, he placed a new hex on the Satyr's tool of chaos, noting that whoever would see it would be consumed by rage or overwhelmed by fear. Hopefully both. Time passed - and soon enough, the Banshee screeched at the illusion and began to call upon the Satyr for punishment.
More gray clouds and over the hillside. At this point, the city was far gone and now you had a few hours left until you hit your destination, but there were no towns or structures within sight. Just the weather and weeds. You glance through the tinted window of the diner's cart door and notice someone waving their hands in frustration. You ignore it. However... the call from below couldn't be ignored.
"Dude. Dude stop... Uh... um.....oh, heeyyy, Zack? Crap, h-hey uh, hey, HEY someone? HELLO? Can I- er, we get some help down here please? ANYONE? ooOo-Oh g-god..."
The older couple looked at each other and at you; you realize you've been staring at people all day, and turn around.
"Betty, don't be messin' with those kids now-"
"Oh stop it. I'm going to check on them, they need someone!"
The two of them descended the staircase. The thuggish guy quickly got up and went into the 5th cart, placing his hoodie over his head. Something seemed definitely off at this point, but... no, don't think about it.
No time to waste - the Warlock had demons to enslave, remove, and of course, test for his own purposes. He quickly manipulated the fiend towards him, and then with a flick of his wand, levitated a gigantic worm of disgusting proportions over the fiend, using the wand to quickly incinerate their souls in a pit of offal. A befitting punishment for these two similar creatures.
But he wasn't done. Forsaking his previous power of invisibility for teleportation, he warped from the bottom floor to the inside of the driver's cart, where the Banshee, the Satyr, and two other imps had spun around in hostility. His enchanted wand had purged them of their armor and abilities, and shot fireballs through both of the imps heads. Summoning a portal, the warlock banished the Satyr into its abyss, while finally exorcising the Banshee into nothingness.
Your curiosity gets the better of you and you head downstairs to the bottom floor, where Zack is lying down. Irregular breathing, sweating, shivering, and the worst - a small trail of vomit from the bathroom to his (once) current position. The train began shaking more violently than usual.
"YOU HAVE TO HELP!" the brown-haired guy screams at you.
"Leo, now you listen to me here boy; we're going upstairs and we're gonna find someone that can actually help or someone to stop the damn train so help can find us."
The old man and Leo swiftly run up the stairs towards the diner's cart apparently to grab a hold of Shandelise.
"What's going on? Why is he like this?" you questioned the old lady softly.
She guarded her chest with both her hands. "I don't know. I don't know what to do to be honest, but all I can do is try to talk and make sure he understands us to let him know we're here and getting help."
You look at Zack again, his eyes now starting to dart between the both of you. Betty soon began to call for her husband and climbed the steps - wait, what are you supposed to do with this guy? You knelt down and noted that his lips weren't just chapped... something was seriously messed up with them. Footsteps behind you clanged on the metal, and the woman from the diner's cart from earlier had donned glasses. Leo followed.
"I'm a medical professional here; Doctor Olivia Charter - what happened?"
"I don't know! He just started to feel sick, and then he vomited, and then-"
"...y-yyou..." Zack coughed up something before continuing, "pp-poooi-s-soonn..."
She paused before kneeling down, looking suspiciously between you and Zack.
"Wait... you were the one who gave him the damn juice!" Leo shouted.
"Look, I don't know what's going on here, but I didn't do a damn thing to him! I can save him, I have medications that can stop this condition. Both of you need to hold him still though because this process won't be easy."
You follow her orders, but you feel that this isn't over yet.
The warlock was furious now - the fallen angel was not gone, but he had no way to get to her... but how?
His translucent eyes let him spy onto the other demons in the train... some of them were easy pickings, but he wanted to save his magic for only the most deserving. In a bold attempt, he managed to lure one of the demons in the diner's cart towards a blood ritual; a ritual so bad that the horror alone would cause all of them to implode into nothingness. It worked like a charm, and he had no qualms creating a tempest to scatter the elements - he no longer had a need for teleportation, for his powers had grown ten-fold as a result of the chaos.
A few minutes pass and Zack is able to breathe normally again, but you tell them all that you're going to alert Zack's status to the old couple and the driver's cart. You go up, pass Kayla (who hasn't moved a bit), and enter the Diner's cart... only to find it completely empty and in disarray. The signs over the closed off stairwell were ripped to shreds, and a trail of plastic forks and knives lead to the bottom.
Cautiously stepping down, you enter the bottom of the diner's cart - a single hallway with multiple storage closets, all seemingly locked. A key is on the ground. Before you can touch it, you note that it has been seeped in an unidentified liquid, and its odor was too strong to deal with. Ditching the key, you head to the 2nd cart's bottom floor and... upon turning to the bathroom, see the body of the meal-hoarding businessman covering the body of another person... no, too much blood. It leaked from their heads in a slow, coagulated manner. You have to alert the drivers NOW.
Fully satisfied, the warlock no longer cared about his original target and decided to press forth - another worthless monster stood in his way, but this one was far stronger than anticipated. Although he was able to force the beast towards the earth, he was unable to shackle it, and found himself in a dreadful position. Instead, he decided to unleash all of his remaining power - while the blast itself caused the monster to fly into the atmosphere, it also caused damage to the warlock.
Now was the time to retreat - there was only one way out of this now... as a last minute attempt for survival, he summoned his pet to do his bidding, but when it refused, his anger boiled over to a most dangerous point.
You go up, see the door to the driver's cart is open and... this can't be real. With wind slapping your face at random intervals, you recoil and try to adjust, finally seeing the shattered windows, Marcia's lifeless body, and the drivers both dead. Marcia and an older man with a mustache were both laid across the floor, while the female blonde driver was slumped over the counter; multiple sirens were going off in this room, but with the overbearing sound of the wind, it was barely audible.
["EMERGENCY BRAKING SYSTEM OVERRIDE REQUIRED. EMERGENCY SERVICES ALERTED. EMERGENCY BRAKING SYSTEM OVERRIDE REQUIRED. EMERGENCY SERVICES ALERTED. EMERGENCY BRAKING..."]
You also see that there is a roof panel open allowing light to come in, but no obvious way to get up there. At this point, you quickly grab your cell-phone and dialed 911 while heading back to the fourth cart. You swiftly arrive and Kayla is now awake, with Olivia standing near your seat.
"He's fine now," Olivia turns to you, "...but they're locked in the bathroom. I can't get them to leave! They won't listen to me about how it's not safe here and we need to stick together."
"Wait what? How long have I been asleep? I am so lost right now, what's going on?" Kayla blurted out.
You decide to tell what you witnessed to both Olivia and Kayla; their mouths slowly formed an 'O' shape. And then, a gunshot.
"...oh... sh,,, did we jus-"
Kayla was interrupted. "GET AWAY FROM ME! GET AWAY FROM ME!" You hear and see the limping college student - a complete mess, with blood trailing down his entire body - barely push the cart door open.
Olivia began to step towards him to catch his fall, but at that very moment, the train suddenly jerked and everyone was sent forward. The train was coming to a stop.
The doors to the bottom floor could now be opened as the train was fully stopped, but upon stepping out with Kayla, Olivia, Leo, Zack, and the injured student, the three police officers slowly pointed their guns at you... only to lower their weapons in realization of what happened. Two of them approached your group cautiously and began asking if everyone was okay. The third, however, entered the train through the 5th cart's door and immediately took notice of a homeless man stepping out of the bathroom.
"STEP AWAY FROM THE WEAPON WITH YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD." The officer commanded.
Your group turned towards the scenario, and there... the homeless man from early that morning slowly stumbled out of the train in a dizzy manner, hands on his head whilst mumbling something. Wait a minute, how did he even get on the train?
The officer kicked off two objects; a crowbar and a gun.
"What is he saying?" Kayla whispered to you.
You hone in; the homeless fellow spoke the words over and over... "...Magic...? Magic...! MAAAGGGGIICCCCCCC~"
The officers alerted everyone to not re-enter the train in case the suspect (the homeless man) had put any further traps... but, for some reason, you couldn't help but feel that whatever was going on, was definitely not through the use of any 'magic'. As one of the officers turned to you for question, you decided to give your own side of the story.
It doesn't matter what happens now, the Warlock thought. He already won, he already proved that magic and demons exist... and he, was a master of it all.
The officers listened to your story carefully, but took note of something.
"...and then after reaching the top of the stairs, you entered the driver's cart where you saw the three corpses of the train staff and ran off immediately due to fear and to find help possibly?"
You claim yes and told them that's what you last saw before running off. Out of caution, one of the officers boldly decided to enter the train of the 2nd cart (the door had been opened as the train was stopped), and took a peek around. As the group watched the officer take a pause after turning to the bathroom, the officer then carefully stepped up to the top floor of the 2nd cart... only to come down back with a tense face.
"...are you sure it was three?" The officer asked.
"I'm pretty sure it was three, my vision isn't blurry-"
"I just counted four. There was a non-train staff person in that same cart who has apparently bled to death. Probably no older than 22."
"Are you talking about the black guy?"
Everyone besides you had turned to Leo at the point. The officer gave an eyebrow. "...yes, he was black. And he was wearing a hoodie."
You didn't realize six people were dead until this point. How did a corpse magically appear there?
MAGIC EXISTS:
- How is Zack's current condition possible without the use of magic? Solved!
- How could the people in the driver's cart have died without the use of magic?
- How could the people in the 2nd cart's VIP bathroom have died without the use of magic?
- How did Damien's dead body magically appear in the driver's cart after you searched it? Solved!
- How did Ivan get onto the train without the use of magic? Solved!
- How can there be people missing from the train if magic isn't possible?
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Black Truths and stuffz.
To help you get started with this, here's a list of the 18 characters on the train:
You (alive)
Kayla - coworker (alive)
Dr. Olivia Charter - (alive)
Zack (dark-haired skateboarder who received medical help) - (alive)
Leo (boyfriend of Zack) - (alive)
Andrew (college student who was limping) - (alive)
Ivan (homeless man who was hiding in the 5th cart bathroom - (alive)
DRIVER CART DEATHS:
Elle (Main Train driver) - (dead)
Carl (Co-pilot driver) - (dead)
Marcia (Train conductor) - (dead)
BATHROOM DEATHS:
Terry (businessman you spotted in the 2nd cart's VIP bathroom underneath Richard) - (dead)
Richard (businessman who was carrying food from the diner's cart to the 5th cart earlier before you found his body in the 2nd cart's bathroom) - (dead)
MISSING THUG:
Damien (thuggish looking guy) - (dead) [MISSING]
MISSING CONDUCTOR:
Jack (Train technician - held a laptop) - [MISSING]
MISSING GROUP FROM DINER'S CART:
Betty (old woman) - [MISSING]
John (old man) - [MISSING]
Shandelise (Food server, rebuffs Zack of alcohol without ID card) - [MISSING]
Patty (Train conductor) - [MISSING]
7 alive, 6 deaths, 5 missing.
You must solve at least 5 mysteries above: the driver cart deaths, the bathroom deaths, and the 3 sets of missing people. The other two mysteries are: how did Ivan get onto the train, and how did Zack get 'cursed'? ;)
None of the missing persons committed any of the murders (directly or indirectly).
All colors in Malignant's first post correctly describes who talks within the story. Terry does not have a color - Richard however does (brownish).
All missing people (besides Damien) are still completely alive.
Not all missing people are hiding intentionally.
The train doors will always remain closed while it is moving, thus preventing anyone from jumping out. This also means that no one can be thrown out of the train through them.
None of the dead people in the game killed another person (this includes themselves).
Leo immediately sought help with John while you were down helping Zack.
Kayla was still in her seat while Leo and John moved past her to get help.
Olivia was in the diner's cart (the third cart) while you were down helping Zack.
Andrew was not in the bathroom or the driver's cart while you were down helping Zack.
There are six carts for this train:
First (The driver's cart)
Second (Passenger's cart w/VIP bathroom)
Third (Diner's cart)
Fourth (Normal Passenger cart)
Fifth (Normal Passenger's cart)
Sixth (Engine room).
The train is a normal train - there is no 'magic' involved in running it. If you know what 'AMTRAK' is, the train acts like that, with the exception that there's no coal and the 'engine room' is powered through electricity (making it modern, but not sci-fi).
Every passenger cart and the diner's cart has a bottom floor.
The Engine cart is one room, and has ladders to ascend from the top floor to the bottom, instead of staircases.
The Engine room requires a conductor's key to enter if it is locked.
The 2nd cart's bathroom requires either a VIP key or a conductor's key to enter (it's a VIP bathroom).
The driver's cart does not have a 'stairwell' or bottom floor (there is no door connecting the bottom floor of the 2nd cart to any bottom part of the driver's cart).
None of the train conductors or staff accepted any bribes.
The train conductors (Patty, Marcia, and Jack) made sure that no one sneaked onto the train through one of the three open passenger cart doors.
No murders occurred during the time when you were getting food.
All the carts are connected via doors for the top floor, but not the bottom (the 1st and 2nd carts are disconnected on the bottom only).
Ivan did not enter with the passengers normally, as he knew that he would be searched for a train ticket later on.
No murders occurred during the time period when people were getting food or returning to their seats.
There were no open windows on the train during the time of boarding.
The two hatches/opening panels on the roof were shut and could not be opened with one's hands.
There are no hatches/openings on the bottom or underneath the train due to safety reasons.
Damien was not killed in another cart.
Right after the conductors entered the train to close the doors, Ivan managed to climb on top of the Engine cart.
Ivan used a crowbar to open a roof panel on top of the Engine cart to enter the train via the Engine room.
When Patty ascended the stairs from the 5th cart bottom floor to begin checking for tickets, Ivan hid in the 5th cart bathroom.
Not all missing people are locked in the closets downstairs.
If missing people are on the train's roof, anyone would have spotted them by the time the officers came into the picture (i.e. - when the train stopped).
There are no undetectable ninjas in this game.
Cannibalism was never committed.
The shadowy figure did not supply anything to anyone.
Jack never used the glass door.
The shadowy figure was not at the front of the train, because a driver would see that and would prevent the train from leaving.
The shadowy figure never entered the cockpit/driver's cart.
Jack could not shut down a train as he had no license to pilot the train.
Ivan never created a hole for people to enter/exit through.
It is impossible to physically throw someone UPWARDS out of the roof opening created by Ivan's crowbar in the engine room.
Zack did not ingest anything while you were not there to witness him.
The door to the driver's cart requires a conductor's key to enter.
The person who had murdered the three people inside did not have any key on him.
The weapon used to kill the three people inside is not something you would find 'conventional' (i.e. - not a knife or a gun).
Shandelise was the one who ripped the signs over the closed off stairwell to enter the bottom floor of the diner's cart.
Using her diner's room/conductor key, she unlocked the doors for some of the storage closets and allowed the old couple, Betty and John, to hide separately in two closets and lock themselves from the inside. She then locked herself in another closet storage space.
Jack is not hiding in a storage closet.
Patty is not hiding in a storage closet.
While you were sitting in the 4th Cart upstairs, it was not possible for a person in the later carts to pass into the earlier carts, or vice versa, without you noticing their existence on the top floor.
The commotion in the diner's cart was not directly instigated by any person.
Zack did not ingest anything poisonous.
No one inside the driver's cart would willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
At least 1 death occurred in the driver's cart while the door was completely closed.
There were 18 people on the train; unless you account for what happened to all the people that entered the train, you are, by definition, allowing the Warlock to have free reign into being able to claim that his magic was so powerful that he was able to banish and completely remove them from the realm of existence without killing them. By not solving the mysteries of why they are missing (and/or why they haven't left the train considering it was out of control), you are implying that their status is strange by their very nature.
If someone left the train via the Engine Room (6th cart), any other person would have spotted someone leaving the train via a passenger or bathroom window and told the officers/train staff/any other person what happened.
Jack never entered Cart 5, either willingly or forced.
Patty never returned to Cart 5 after checking for tickets, either willingly or forced.
Patty and Jack would not see you as a threat or culprit under any circumstances.
Zack had no poison injected into him.
There are no diseased people on the train.
Zack would not fake an illness for any reason.
Zack did not inhale anything poisonous.
Damien is not a detective and was not searching for anyone.
Zack was poisoned. He absorbed the poison initially through his lips (not by ingestion!), thus causing it to spread through his bloodstream.
You would not miss Jack's or Patty's visible presence if they existed in the rooms you searched and moved through.
Zack was the first one to open the juice bottle, thus making it impossible for the poison to be put into the juice or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
[PHRASING FOR THE STRIKETHROUGH]
There was no poison inside or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
There are no hiding places inside the Engine Room.
There is no evidence of Jack being killed.
The poison was applied in a room you were not present at.
Jack and Patty do not exist outside of the train.
There is no evidence of Patty being killed.
Damien's body was not found inside the 5th cart after officers investigated the train.
The warlock would never hide or attempt to hide a corpse.
The culprit never opened any roof panel.
Ivan closed the Engine door to prevent anyone from seeing that it was left open.
Zack never used a straw.
Damien's body is still completely intact and recognizable.
Damien never tried to hide from anyone.
Olivia never entered the room Zack was in after he opened the juice bottle.
Zack finished the juice before heading downstairs.
There were no animals on the train at any point during the story.
Zack's lips made contact with the bathroom's sink faucet, which was covered with poison.
Andrew applied the poison after obtaining it from Dr. Olivia.
Dr. Olivia was the one who brought the substance on the train. However, she never entered any bathroom.
Zack would not cause harmful body to himself.
Leo would not poison someone he loves.
The faucet was not poisoned before the train boarded passengers.
Terry collided with Andrew at the beginning.
You can only enter the Engine Room from either Cart 5 or from the aforemented roof panel.
None of the 5th cart's windows were opened or broken open throughout the entire story.
There are no gaps or openings between any cart doors.
Damien never fell nor was pushed/pulled off the train.
Damien's body never left the train.
There are no secret passages leading into the driver's cart.
Every conductor on the train always had possession of their key while alive.
The drivers did not open the door for anyone.
Marcia did not bring anything into the cart.
If any harmful gas was detected in the driver's cart, any of the people inside would have been alerted and would simply open the roof panel and/or driver's door to ventilate/escape the room (and temporarily allow the train to autopilot).
The culprit did not throw anything into the room when the door/roof panel was opened.
The murderer was not even inside the driver's cart when the first murder occurred inside there.
Marcia did not wear any explosive on her before entering the driver's cart.
The only way for an object (as in a material/physical object, not energy such as light) to enter the driver's cart is through the roof panel or through the main door between the 2nd and 1st cart.
The train walls cannot be broken open.
The murderer did not place any explosive inside the room.
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred.
There were no accidental deaths.
None of the people you saw in the driver's cart brought anything inside the cart that was considered poisonous. Also, none of the surfaces of the driver's cart was poisoned.
Neither of the drivers left the driver's cart during the story.
Not all deaths inside the driver's cart were killed the same way.
No one was killed from shockwaves or high temperatures.
If someone tried to electrocute people through a metal wall, the attack would affect everyone on the train (regardless of position) equally.
The ventilation system would detect if the atmosphere inside any cart would reach asphyxia levels and alert everyone on the train. This system never went off.
The culprit had no way of accessing the alert system on the train.
The alert system would not malfunction.
No one was gagged.
There were no explosives placed on the outside of the train.
The culprit had no way of short circuiting the driver's counter/dashboard/train controls.
If an explosive was placed right outside the room or on the door of the driver's cart, the explosion would have also caused damage to the 2nd cart (windows, walls, etc.). There was no such damage in the 2nd cart.
There was never an explosion in the driver's cart.
Nothing was thrown through the roof panel by anyone.
Neither driver was killed by something/someone from outside (on top of the train, through the door, outside a window, etc.) of the driver's cart.
None of the deaths in the Driver's Cart were a result of any explosion.
Your memory of the events relating to this case is exactly as you observed them.
Neither of the drivers ate anything poisonous while on the train.
Damien did not die in the driver's cart.
Damien never ate anything poisonous.
The murderer did not enter the driver's cart until Marcia was dead.
Terry was on the top floor when Richard entered the VIP bathroom.
Marcia was not killed in the Diner's Cart. Also, Marcia was not killed inside the Driver's cart.
There were a total of eight keys. 1 for each member of the train staff (2 drivers, 1 food server, 3 general conductors), and 2 were VIP keys (i.e. - passengers who could access the VIP bathroom without the need of a conductor).
Jack is one of the three conductors on the train. His main job is like the other conductors (check for tickets, ensure nothing stupid is happening, etc.), but he's the only one who has a laptop and can also deal with technical support issues (i.e. - he can communicate with train stations if there are any delays or potential train malfunctions, check for weather updates, and do other things that the drivers are tasked to do (aside from driving the train itself, of course)).
Rail guns, heat lasers, and other high-tech weaponry that can bypass solid material was not used whatsoever in the story.
No one died from something that could penetrate the roof (no lava, acid, or metal-eroding materials).
When the culprit killed anyone, he maintained direct eye-contact with his victims.
The only way to maintain direct eye-contact with someone in the driver's cart from outside is either through the open door, the open roofpanel, the frontal window or by the use of a camera.
When the first murder occurred in the Driver's cart, Marcia was already inside. At that point, Marcia was still alive.
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred in the story.
The driver cart doors were never opened until at least one of the drivers died.
Damien's body is now found in the Driver's cart! However, how did his body even end up there without teleportation magic if you saw all there was in the Driver's cart?
Damien's body was never obscured by luggage.
Someone brought an object inside the Driver's cart that caused death to the first driver.
Damien opened the driver's cart roof panel.
After Damien was killed on the rooftop by the culprit, his body slid while the train was screeching to a stop, and his corpse then fell through the open roof panel into the driver's cart.
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Also reserved due to reasons.
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Any of the missing persons, or all of them, could have commited all murders and then have hidden somewhere.
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Any of the missing persons, or all of them, could have commited all murders and then have hidden somewhere.
None of the missing persons committed any of the murders (directly or indirectly).
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You
Kayla
Patty
Zack
Betty
Shandelise
Marcia
Leo
Richard
John
Dr. Olivia
Andrew
Ivan
Announcer
Officer
People who don't have a colour: Elle, Carl, Damien, Jack and Terry
21 people including the 3 officers
15 colours including the announcer and the officer
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Can we get confirmation on all the colors?
Ok, let's start with hitting the obvious here
Driver Cart Deaths:
Anyone of the 3 killed in the driver's cart the other 2, then commited suicide.
Any of the ones killed in the bathroom killed the 3 in the driver's cart.
Olivia, Andrew, Kayla or Leo killed the 3 in the driver's cart while you were down helping Zack.
Bathrooms Deaths:
Anyone of the 2 killed in the bathroom killed the other 2, then commited suicide.
Any of the ones killed in the driver's cart killed the 2 in the bathroom.
Olivia, Andrew, Kayla or Leo killed the 2 in the bathroom while you were down helping Zack.
Missing people:
They all hid somewhere. (For example in the overhead compartment where the luggage is supposed to go, or simply in another cart.)
They all jumped out from the train while it was moving.
Also a few questions:
Aside from Damien, are any other of the missing people dead or are they all alive?
Is the story an accurate description of everything "You" experienced? (i.e. there are no direct lies about what the main character actually did or saw)
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Okay, in order:
You
Kayla
Patty
Zack
Betty
Shandelise
Marcia
Leo
Terry/Richard?
John
Dr. Olivia
Andrew
Ivan
Announcer
Officer
People who don't have a colour: Elle, Carl, Damien, Jack and either Terry or Richard
21 people including the 3 officers
15 colours including the announcer
The above is correct (I don't need to type this in black and bold because it doesn't really solve any 'mystery', just provide clarifications on who is speaking, but for the sake of 'truth':
All colors in Malignant's first post correctly describes who talks within the story. Terry does not have a color - Richard however does (brownish).
Can we get confirmation on all the colors?
Ok, let's start with hitting the obvious here
Driver Cart Deaths:
Anyone of the 3 killed in the driver's cart the other 2, then commited suicide.
Any of the ones killed in the bathroom killed the 3 in the driver's cart.
Olivia, Andrew, Kayla or Leo killed the 3 in the driver's cart while you were down helping Zack.
Bathrooms Deaths:
Anyone of the 2 killed in the bathroom killed the other 2, then commited suicide.
Any of the ones killed in the driver's cart killed the 2 in the bathroom.
Olivia, Andrew, Kayla or Leo killed the 2 in the bathroom while you were down helping Zack.
Missing people:
They all hid somewhere. (For example in the overhead compartment where the luggage is supposed to go, or simply in another cart.)
They all jumped out from the train while it was moving.
Also a few questions:
Aside from Damien, are any other of the missing people dead or are they all alive?
Is the story an accurate description of everything "You" experienced? (i.e. there are no direct lies about what the main character actually did or saw)
Here we go:
Everything you experienced was not 'falsified' in any way, meaning that you were not intoxicated, hallucinating, etc. - no direct or indirect lies. Everything the character experienced within the short time frame between him walking with Kayla to the train and him about to explain to the officers his side of the story was not a lie.
All missing people (besides Damien) are still completely alive.
Not all missing people are hiding intentionally.
The train doors will always remain close while it is moving, thus preventing anyone from jumping out.
None of the dead people in the game killed another person (this includes themselves).
Leo immediately sought help with John while you were down helping Zack.
Kayla was still in her seat while Leo and John moved past her to get help.
Olivia was in the diner's cart (the third cart) while you were down helping Zack.
Andrew was not in the bathroom or the driver's cart while you were down helping Zack.
BONUS (because otherwise you guys may have not figured it out anyway):
There are six carts for this train:
First (The driver's cart)
Second (Passenger's cart w/VIP bathroom)
Third (Diner's cart)
Fourth (Normal Passenger cart)
Fifth (Normal Passenger's cart)
Sixth (Engine room).
I'll break down the 6 mysteries that you guys need to solve, once more:
- How did Zack get in his current condition?
- How did the people in the driver's cart die?
- How did the people in the 2nd cart's VIP bathroom die?
- Where is Damien/how did he die?
- How did Ivan get onto the train?
- Where are the rest of the missing people?
6 mysteries, 6 carts... there's a lot 'six' in this game. ;)
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How the hell does that train work?!
Does every cart have a basement/downstairs?
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How the hell does that train work?!
Does every cart have a basement/downstairs?
The train is a normal train - there is no 'magic' involved in running it. If you know what 'AMTRAK' is, the train acts like that, with the exception that there's no coal and the 'engine room' is powered through electricity (making it modern, but not sci-fi).
Every passenger cart and the diner's cart has a bottom floor.
The Engine cart is one room, and has ladders to ascend from the top floor to the bottom, instead of staircases.
The Engine room requires a conductor's key to enter if it is locked.
BONUS:
The 2nd cart's bathroom requires either a VIP key or a conductor's key to enter (it's a VIP bathroom).
The driver's cart does not have a 'stairwell' or bottom floor (there is no door connecting the bottom floor of the 2nd cart to any bottom part of the driver's cart).
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Random one. (Doesn't expect it to be good)
Ivan entered the train by bribing an officer with the money that he had gotten from the college student to allow him to enter from the conductor cart. As he entered the train, he hid himself in the VIP bathroom, stealing a key from within the conductor's cart. As soon as he proceeds to hide, Richard and Terry(drunk) began to try to enter the VIP bathroom with a bottle of alcohol during the commotion where Zack and Leo was. They got a VIP key from the conductor. As they entered the bathroom,shocked to see someone inside (Thinking it was locked due to it being the VIP bathroom), Ivan began to attack, taking the bottle and whacking both of them. Seeing as he killed, he first hid in the VIP's overhead compartment while our detective began to discover about the two bodies that were in the bathroom. Knowing that he would return, he began to go to the 5th cart, taking a bottle of alcohol in the diner cart in order to feign ignorance by making himself drunk in the 5th cart's bathroom.
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Well it was a nice try. :P
None of the train conductors or staff accepted any bribes.
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This means we have 6 possible suspects for the murders:
Kayla, Olivia, Zack, Leo, Andrew and Ivan.
You were one of the first people to leave the diner's cart. Anyone could have either gone and killed the two in the bathroom or the three in the driver's cart without anyone noticing until later.
Ivan sneaked onto the train through a door after you had entered the train. Once he was inside, he simply hid somewhere.
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Well, you're right about you being one of the first people to leave the diner's cart, but the sentence alone doesn't really solve anything specific, so I'm passing it over.
No murders occurred during the time when you were getting food.
The train conductors (Patty, Marcia, and Jack) made sure that no one snuck onto the train through one of the three open passenger cart doors.
EDIT: I understand the sentence, check above again.
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Random questions and stuff.
Is the VIP Bathroom and any other areas locked when the passengers entered the train?
Were there anyone imprisoned in the bathrooms?
Were the crowbar and the gun used in the murder? Were they the only items that have killed someone?
Can you walk across each cart from both floors?
Ivan entered with the passengers. He then immediately proceed to enter the VIP bathroom(if it's not locked) or the overhead compartment on the 2nd cart(if it was locked). As Terry(with a bottle of alcohol) came again with a key to open the bathroom for Richard to use, Ivan assaulted him, taking the bottle and killing him. Pulling Terry to the bathroom, Richard came to look for Terry. Ivan saw him and also killed him for security. Pushing him in, he then locked the door with the key. However, the detective was coming at the time, so he ran to the overhead compartment, leaving the key. Knowing that the detective would return to warn people, he began to go to the 5th cart, taking a bottle of alcohol in the diner cart in order to feign ignorance by making himself drunk in the 5th cart's bathroom.
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Not gonna answer all of them per se, but you can't really be 'imprisoned' in a bathroom. You can lock/unlock them from the inside, meaning that if you try to lock someone from the outside with a key, they can simply unlock it from within.
All the carts are connected via doors for the top floor, but not the bottom (the 1st and 2nd carts are disconnected on the bottom only).
Ivan did not enter with the passengers normally, as he knew that he would be searched for a train ticket later on.
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Ok, let me clarify:
After you left the diner's cart, the only people with alibi is yourself and Kayla. At this time, someone could easily have sneaked to the driver's cart along with Marcia and killed her and the drivers.
Now for how Ivan entered the train:
He entered through an open window.
He entered through a hatch/opening on the roof,
He entered through some sort of hatch/opening under the train.
For Damien:
He was killed in another cart, this is why you never found him.
Also a question: aside from a mention from Patty, Jack was never mentioned in the story at all, right?
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Ok, let me clarify:
After you left the diner's cart, the only people with alibi is yourself and Kayla. At this time, someone could easily have sneaked to the driver's cart along with Marcia and killed her and the drivers.
Now for how Ivan entered the train:
He entered through an open window.
He entered through a hatch/opening on the roof,
He entered through some sort of hatch/opening under the train.
For Damien:
He was killed in another cart, this is why you never found him.
Also a question: aside from a mention from Patty, Jack was never mentioned in the story at all, right?
Jack was never mentioned in the story at all besides the conversation between Patty/Marcia, unless you account for the Warlock's perception of him...
In regards to the 'after you left the diner's cart...' part:
No murders occurred during the time period when people were getting food or returning to their seats.
And some other stuff:
There were no open windows on the train during the time of boarding.
The two hatches/opening panels on the roof were shut and could not be opened with one's hands.
There are no hatches/openings on the bottom or underneath the train due to safety reasons.
Damien was not killed in another cart.
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I don't want to be left out of the fun, so I print the story out so I can read it in a school break tomorrow. ;D
I always have time to log in just to post 1 or 2 white truths, but so far my only difficulty was reading the full story. :-X
Anyway, did anyone try the undetectable ninja's?
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Ivan used the crowbar to open a hatch on the roof to enter the cart.
I have no clue what I'm doing help
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Ivan used the crowbar to open a hatch on the roof to enter the cart.
Correct. I have no counter.
Right after the conductors entered the train to close the doors, Ivan managed to climb on top of the Engine cart.
Ivan used a crowbar to open a roof panel on top of the Engine cart to enter the train via the Engine room.
When Patty ascended the stairs from the 5th cart bottom floor to begin checking for tickets, Ivan hid in the 5th cart bathroom.
It seems like you know what you're doing actually. X-x;
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Heh, beginner's luck :3
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Heh, beginner's luck :3
*throws a potato in your general direction*
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Uhh Kuro. I finally had time to read through everything but... this stuff will take long to put everything in its right place, creating the good timeline of events and such... For now, I can only add this:
All the missing people are locked in the closets downstairs, where you found 2 dead bodies first.
Alternatively,
The missing people are on the train's roof. They exited through the hole either where Ivan entered or in the Driver's cabin.
And now some sillyness:
Undetectable ninja's took the train apart while it was moving, pulled the currently missing people off, replaced them to another train and placed everything back.
A hungry individual ate Damien, that's why he cannot be found.
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Uhh Kuro. I finally had time to read through everything but... this stuff will take long to put everything in its right place, creating the good timeline of events and such... For now, I can only add this:
All the missing people are locked in the closets downstairs, where you found 2 dead bodies first.
Alternatively,
The missing people are on the train's roof. They exited through the hole either where Ivan entered or in the Driver's cabin.
And now some sillyness:
Undetectable ninja's took the train apart while it was moving, pulled the currently missing people off, replaced them to another train and placed everything back.
A hungry individual ate Damien, that's why he cannot be found.
I have to admit, the last one is pretty genius, but totally disgusting. xD
Now in order from top to bottom:
Not all missing people are locked in the closets downstairs.
If missing people are on the train's roof, anyone would have spotted them by the time the officers came into the picture (i.e. - when the train stopped).
There are no undetectable ninjas in this game.
Cannibalism was never committed.
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Questions:
How are the doors powered? Are they automatic, basic wooden, panel doors?
Does the glass door function differently to the other doors?
...Let's take some very wild swipes in the darkness.
The shadowy figure (the one I saw in the fog before I boarded the train) is the warlock.
I glimpsed the shadowy figure at the back of the train before I boarded it.
The shadowy figure supplied the crowbar to Ivan, allowing him to get onto the roof, in exchange for a favour of delivering poison onto Zack's food.
Jack used the glass door to enter the lower floor to enter the engine room after Ivan had entered and left the engine room. Jack stopped the train from the engine room.
OR
I glimpsed the shadowy figure at the front of the train before I boarded it.
The shadowy figure entered the cockpit and killed the pilots.
Jack entered this room, was shocked by the corpses, shut down the train and hid in the cockpit.
OR
The shadowy figure then proceeded to hide in the cockpit.
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Someone give me a tl;dr summary of the events so I can comprehend the game?
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Questions:
How are the doors powered? Are they automatic, basic wooden, panel doors?
Does the glass door function differently to the other doors?
Have you ever been on an AMTRAK train? Seriously people, look it up. It's awesome in California. :3
But in all seriousness, for the sake of simplicity, the story is set in modern times (i.e. - now), meaning that instead of wooden doors, all doors reflect the construction of the train itself. Remember that sentence about "...polished steel ceilings and walls"? Apply that to the doors. (Also, yes, they're 'automated' in the sense of you pushing a button, waiting a few seconds for it to fully open, and then going through, but can be forced open with one's hands).
The glass door is just like any door, with the exception that you can see through it from both sides (all other doors connecting the carts together or the doors that allow exit/entrance to the train only have a small window to see through). Otherwise, it's slightly more fragile (because it's glass, not metal or wood), and requires a more... delicate operation to lock/unlock/open/close it.
...Let's take some very wild swipes in the darkness.
The shadowy figure (the one I saw in the fog before I boarded the train) is the warlock.
I glimpsed the shadowy figure at the back of the train before I boarded it.
The shadowy figure supplied the crowbar to Ivan, allowing him to get onto the roof, in exchange for a favour of delivering poison onto Zack's food.
Jack used the glass door to enter the lower floor to enter the engine room after Ivan had entered and left the engine room. Jack stopped the train from the engine room.
OR
I glimpsed the shadowy figure at the front of the train before I boarded it.
The shadowy figure entered the cockpit and killed the pilots.
Jack entered this room, was shocked by the corpses, shut down the train and hid in the cockpit.
OR
The shadowy figure then proceeded to hide in the cockpit.
Ignoring the very first statement (figure = warlock) because that doesn't solve anything.
The shadowy figure did not supply anything to anyone.
Jack never used the glass door.
The shadowy figure was not at the front of the train, because a driver would see that and would prevent the train from leaving.
The shadowy figure never entered the cockpit/driver's cart.
Jack could not shut down a train as he had no license to pilot the train.
The last sentence is defeated by the 2nd-to-last black truth (what exactly do you mean by cockpit though? Like, a special driver's section or something?).
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I assume with cockpit he meant the driver's cart.
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I assume with cockpit he meant the driver's cart.
Ah, okay then. I'll just remove the quotations from the black truth - otherwise, it still stands true.
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Warlock (Male) - ?
Fiend - Terry?
Gigantic Worm Thing - Richard?
Pet - Ivan?
Fallen Angel (Female, Healer) - Dr. Olivia?
Satyr - Jack
Banshee - Marcia
Imps - Elle and Carl
Worthless Monster/Beast - Andrew?
Demon mentioned in the spoiler below - ?
The warlock was furious now - the fallen angel was not gone, but he had no way to get to her... but how?
His translucent eyes let him spy onto the other demons in the train... some of them were easy pickings, but he wanted to save his magic for only the most deserving. In a bold attempt, he managed to lure one of the demons in the diner's cart towards a blood ritual; a ritual so bad that the horror alone would cause all of them to implode into nothingness. It worked like a charm, and he had no qualms creating a tempest to scatter the elements - he no longer had a need for teleportation, for his powers had grown ten-fold as a result of the chaos.
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I assume with cockpit he meant the driver's cart.
Yup.
...Same thing, right?
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Yup.
...Same thing, right?
Almost - I mean, a cockpit is much smaller than the driver's cart itself, but for all intents and purposes, the black truth holds true.
Also Malignant, you're so, SO close, but yet so far from the truth. Either way, MMMMMMMAAAAAGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCC xD
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Jack was thrown out of the train whenever someone came in and murdered the 3 dead people in the Driver's Cart, that's why they can't find him.
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Jack was thrown out of the train whenever someone came in and murdered the 3 dead people in the Driver's Cart, that's why they can't find him.
Let me restate/re-edit an old truth then.
The train doors will always remain closed while it is moving, thus preventing anyone from jumping out. This also means that no one can be thrown out of the train through them.
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Couldn't they throw jack out of the windows?
They're not doors. They would not shut.
... Another white truth coming soon...truths, even. Give it an HOUR
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This game is a lot scarier and a lot less scarier than I thought it would be at the same time.
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There are some technical things that are unclear.
Is there a stair in every cart and is there only 1 stair in every cart?
How many carts have bathrooms and how many bathrooms they have?
Are we really the only passengers? I mean, 11 passengers on a train with 3 passenger carts and 6 floors?
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There are some technical things that are unclear.
Is there a stair in every cart and is there only 1 stair in every cart?
How many carts have bathrooms and how many bathrooms they have?
Are we really the only passengers? I mean, 11 passengers on a train with 3 passenger carts and 6 floors?
Not a stair in every cart; there are no stairs in either the Engine Room (6th cart) or the Driver's Cockpit/Room (1st cart). The latter part of the question is answered through the story if you look closely.
3 bathrooms total, 1 for each passenger cart
11 passengers, 6 train staff, and 1 extra person
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The latter part of the question is answered through the story if you look closely.
There were too many things that can be only figured out if we look closely. :/ So if it's already in the story, please explain? ^^
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The latter part of the question is answered through the story if you look closely.
There were too many things that can be only figured out if we look closely. :/ So if it's already in the story, please explain? ^^
only 1 cart has an extra pair of stairs
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The missing people were thrown out of the hole created by Ivan.
they landed on the ground essentially
please repeat in black:
nobody was under the influence of any external substances willingly
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I am so unreasonably happy that this is still going. Checking in again just to participate!
Tell me more about this, so I know where you're going with this one.
At some point when I was not there to witness him, Zack ingested a substance that is poisonous to humans. There's nothing strange about his situation at all!
This one too.
Anyone without an alibi could have entered the drivers cart, killed the three people inside with any conventional weapon, smashed the windows, then left without me noticing. I see nothing strange about this at all!
Tell me more about this one too.
Any of the missing people could be trapped or hiding in one of the carts that I have not personally searched. There's nothing strange about this at all!
Also, I'm just musing here about my route in the story line to collect my thoughts.
This is the order through which I moved about the train car.
First, I was on the station platform. I then boarded the train on Cart 4, entering from the bottom floor. I move upstairs after passing by the entire bottom floor.
Next, I move to the diner's cart temporarily, which is possible without descending. I return to my seat in Cart 4.
At this point in time, the layout of the car means that everyone who exists in the story must be divided by my position. In other words, I can sort everyone into being in my position in Cart 4, in the carts ahead of me, and the carts behind me.
I request an acknowledgement of this statement in black:
"While I was sitting in the 4th Cart upstairs, it was not possible for a person in the later carts to pass into the earlier carts, or vice versa, without me noticing their existence."
A bunch of stuff happens, but I stay in Cart 4. I descend at some point to check on Zack.
At this point, because I am downstairs, it's possible for anyone to pass through Cart 4 upstairs without me noticing. This means that in only the brief period that I was there, I can only account for alibis for the few people on the floor. Everyone else has free reign to make absolutely anything happen and to shuffle positions without me noticing.
I then move into the diner's cart again. At this point, things had happened in the diner's cart without me noticing. I can white truth this.
It's possible for any of the mysterious events in the diner's cart to have been instigated by any person who was on a later cart than me for the entire time I was sitting down in Cart 4. Any person who I did not have direct line of sight during this period had more than enough time to cause any kind of commotion. Nothing strange here, as far as I see.
I then move down the diner's cart stairs.
At this point I appear to be alone in an isolated area. I was not there long, but it's more than enough time for any positions to have to be reaccounted for. Anyone on the train can move to any other spot on the train at this point in time without me noticing.
I then move to the second cart downstairs. I request clarification - Is this physically possible without me moving upstairs again? I'm not 100% sure on the layout of the train here.
After that, I move into the driver's cart, or Cart 1. At this point things are crazy in there, but there's nothing too weird about it. It was the first time I was in the drivers cart, so there's basically an infinite amount of time that any person could have performed those murders. Because I was isolated at least one point in time, nobody on the train has a reliable alibi. There are however some time sensitive situations, so I can't just use a sweeping truth to make you cover everything in one go.
I'll start with that for now.
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The missing people were thrown out of the hole created by Ivan.
they landed on the ground essentially
please repeat in black:
nobody was under the influence of any external substances willingly
...hole? >_>
Ivan never created a hole for people to enter/exit through.
I also can't repeat that last statement willingly. >_>
SEXY EvaRia EDIT COMING IN (soon)
...and damn, you're kinda too good at this. :(
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I made the first game, so I know. It's much harder to be the Game Master than people realize.
I don't really see any imminent traps for me, so unless you rethink your gameplan, I'm going to hunt you down with sweeping whites until you show me the one path left on your own....
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The missing people were thrown out of the OPENING created by Ivan's crowbar in the engine room.
HAPPY?
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The latter part of the question is answered through the story if you look closely.
There were too many things that can be only figured out if we look closely. :/ So if it's already in the story, please explain? ^^
only 1 cart has an extra pair of stairs
Wait... the stairs are in pairs?! How should we imagine that? 1 in the front and 1 in the back of the train? Or they are just beside each other, facing the opposite direction so that everyone can easily access it?
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The diner's cart has two staircases. One with a glass door which we never enter. Assumedly this leads to a passenger area but we don't really know.
The other stairs are taped over and lead to the storage area where we find a key and a body?
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The diner's cart has two staircases. One with a glass door which we never enter. Assumedly this leads to a passenger area but we don't really know.
The other stairs are taped over and lead to the storage area where we find a key and a body?
But Kuro said "pair of stairs", not just staircase. And said that one cart (obviously the diner cart) has 2 "pairs". Maybe he just misworded it...
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I think it was just worded badly. "Extra pair" could mean extra stairs that make one pair of stairs on that cart.
Unless I misunderstand the layout of the train.
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Not all missing people are locked in the closets downstairs.
I give you the following, individual white truths:
Jack is hidden in one of the storage closets.
Betty is hidden in one of the storage closets.
John is hidden in one of the storage closets.
Shandelise is hidden in one of the storage closets.
Patty is hidden in one of the storage closets.
I didn't list Damien's dead body, because he was last seen in the 5th cart.
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The diner's cart has two staircases. One with a glass door which we never enter. Assumedly this leads to a passenger area but we don't really know.
The other stairs are taped over and lead to the storage area where we find a key and a body?
But Kuro said "pair of stairs", not just staircase. And said that one cart (obviously the diner cart) has 2 "pairs". Maybe he just misworded it...
If I understand it correctly, the layout of the train carriages is that there is a flight of stairs at the back and the front of the carriage. Therefore, there is one entry and one exit to each carriage. This creates the following shape:
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Badly done, but still...
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Okay, first off:
The missing people were thrown out of the OPENING created by Ivan's crowbar in the engine room.
HAPPY?
Much more clear, but still:
It is impossible to physically throw someone UPWARDS out of the roof opening created by Ivan's crowbar in the engine room.
EvaRia - you're too aggressive for me, but alas, here we go. >.<
Tell me more about this, so I know where you're going with this one.
At some point when I was not there to witness him, Zack ingested a substance that is poisonous to humans. There's nothing strange about his situation at all!
But aha! Zack did not ingest anything while you were not there to witness him.
Anyone without an alibi could have entered the drivers cart, killed the three people inside with any conventional weapon, smashed the windows, then left without me noticing. I see nothing strange about this at all!
Hm...
The door to the driver's cart requires a conductor's key to enter.
The person who had murdered the three people inside did not have any key on him.
...and because I'm nice:
The weapon used to kill the three people inside is not something you would find 'conventional' (i.e. - not a knife or a gun).
Any of the missing people could be trapped or hiding in one of the carts that I have not personally searched. There's nothing strange about this at all!
Too generic of an answer really, but...
I give you the following, individual white truths:
Jack is hidden in one of the storage closets.
Betty is hidden in one of the storage closets.
John is hidden in one of the storage closets.
Shandelise is hidden in one of the storage closets.
Patty is hidden in one of the storage closets.
Fair enough, I have no counter for some of these:
Shandelise was the one who ripped the signs over the closed off stairwell to enter the bottom floor of the diner's cart.
Using her diner's room/conductor key, she unlocked the doors for some of the storage closets and allowed the old couple, Betty and John, to hide separately in two closets and lock themselves from the inside. She then locked herself in another closet storage space.
However:
Jack is not hiding in a storage closet.
Patty is not hiding in a storage closet.
I request an acknowledgement of this statement in black:
"While I was sitting in the 4th Cart upstairs, it was not possible for a person in the later carts to pass into the earlier carts, or vice versa, without me noticing their existence."
A minor edit.
While you were sitting in the 4th Cart upstairs, it was not possible for a person in the later carts to pass into the earlier carts, or vice versa, without you noticing their existence on the top floor.
I then move into the diner's cart again. At this point, things had happened in the diner's cart without me noticing. I can white truth this.
It's possible for any of the mysterious events in the diner's cart to have been instigated by any person who was on a later cart than me for the entire time I was sitting down in Cart 4. Any person who I did not have direct line of sight during this period had more than enough time to cause any kind of commotion. Nothing strange here, as far as I see.
I need more clarification on this, but for the time being:
The commotion in the diner's cart was not directly instigated by any person.
I then move to the second cart downstairs. I request clarification - Is this physically possible without me moving upstairs again? I'm not 100% sure on the layout of the train here.
I'll reuse a previous dark-truth.
All the carts are connected via doors for the top floor, but not the bottom (the 1st and 2nd carts are disconnected on the bottom only).
...god I hope I didn't mess this one up so quickly. Dx
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It doesn't matter if I was watching or not. Zack ingested a poisonous substance, and that is what made him require medical attention.
Possibly that juice? It could have been used as a distraction to pull everyone downstairs.
All the carts are connected via doors for the top floor, but not the bottom (the 1st and 2nd carts are disconnected on the bottom only).
I take this to mean that you can move from bottom floor to bottom floor between all carts except the VIP and driver's carts.
This means that any person can move to any other point on the train without me noticing. In otherwords, if someone is not in the same room as me, they have no alibi in the story.
Any person without an alibi could have moved to the driver's cart without me noticing. They then entered through the unlocked door, killed the three people inside with a makeshift weapon (If not conventional than I assume it would have to be something random they had access to that would work), smashed the windows, then left the train without me noticing.
The door could be unlocked for various reasons. Either it was accidentally left unlocked, or one of the people inside the room let the person in.
We know this door was unlocked at some point or we could not have gotten in to the driver's cart.
I see nothing strange about the missing people. Unless there are strange circumstances behind their disappearance, which I don't see, there are myriad reasons that they could have gone missing.
I will use the Devil's Proof! Unless you explain to me in black why there shouldn't be missing people involved in the story, I am not obligated to explain their disappearance as a player of the human side!
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It doesn't matter if I was watching or not. Zack ingested a poisonous substance, and that is what made him require medical attention.
Very well then.
Zack did not ingest anything poisonous.
He was cursed, I tell you!
I take this to mean that you can move from bottom floor to bottom floor between all carts except the VIP and driver's carts.
This means that any person can move to any other point on the train without me noticing. In otherwords, if someone is not in the same room as me, they have no alibi in the story.
Any person without an alibi could have moved to the driver's cart without me noticing. They then entered through the unlocked door, killed the three people inside with a makeshift weapon (If not conventional than I assume it would have to be something random they had access to that would work), smashed the windows, then left the train without me noticing.
The door could be unlocked for various reasons. Either it was accidentally left unlocked, or one of the people inside the room let the person in.
We know this door was unlocked at some point or we could not have gotten in to the driver's cart.
To the initial non-white statement: I won't deny you that.
However:
No one inside the driver's cart would not willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
At least 1 death occurred in the driver's cart while the door was completely closed.
It was teleportation, I tell you!
I see nothing strange about the missing people. Unless there are strange circumstances behind their disappearance, which I don't see, there are myriad reasons that they could have gone missing.
I will use the Devil's Proof! Unless you explain to me in black why there shouldn't be missing people involved in the story, I am not obligated to explain their disappearance as a player of the human side!
There were 18 people on the train; unless you account for what happened to all the people that entered the train, you are, by definition, allowing the Warlock to have free reign into being able to claim that his magic was so powerful that he was able to banish and completely remove them from the realm of existence without killing them. By not solving the mysteries of why they are missing (and/or why they haven't left the train considering it was out of control), you are implying that their status is strange by their very nature.
>.> I get the feeling that the black truth above doesn't do you justice Eva, but that's all I got.
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I'm not sure I like it yet.
I'll let you "build your realm", young warlock, as you seem lost in the ways of the Witch's Game. So dance with me! Answer my steps in turn and you shall find your way.
At any point where I was not there to witness them, Jack and Patty could have left the moving train, whether forcibly or by their own will.
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I imagine most witches would be incredibly pissed that I'm pissing all over their game at this moment. :X Let me remedy that.
At any point where I was not there to witness them, Jack and Patty could have left the moving train, whether forcibly or by their own will.
Unless someone left the train via the Engine Room (6th cart), any other person would have spotted someone leaving the train via a passenger or bathroom window and told the officers/train staff/any other person what happened.
Jack never entered Cart 5.
Patty never returned to Cart 5 after checking for tickets.
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It's possible that I and the police failed to search the train thoroughly. Patty and Jack were simply hiding in one of the rooms we looked through and we missed their presence.
Alternately, they could have been actively avoiding us, positioning themselves and moving from room to room in such a way that we wouldn't run into them.
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It's possible that I and the police failed to search the train thoroughly. Patty and Jack were simply hiding in one of the rooms we looked through and we missed their presence.
Alternately, they could have been actively avoiding us, positioning themselves and moving from room to room in such a way that we wouldn't run into them.
I'll repeat a previous black truth for the first statement, and give you a new one for the second:
Not all missing people are hiding intentionally.
A train conductor would not be actively avoiding or hiding from someone unless they perceive the person to be a threat.
Are you implying that you're the one who caused the crimes? :P
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Better, but you need to be tighter than that!
Regardless of intent, it's still possible for Patty and Jack to exist in one of the rooms we looked through and we missed their presence.
Regardless of the actual source of the crimes, it's still possible for Patty and Jack to perceive us as a possible culprit and thus a threat. Alternately, they could have something else they wish to hide and did not wish to be seen, viewing any persons as possible threats to their secrets or safety.
Regardless of whether poison was actually ingested, Zack was poisoned. Perhaps he inhaled it or had it injected.
If not poison, it could be one of numerous documented medical diseases. Under strange circumstances, it could also be a new disease that we don't know about.
If not a disease, he could be faking his illness for some reason. I don't need to explain the reason!
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Some parts of the story seem to fit a theory:
You looked back at the vagabond, noticing his plea attempt on a college student, but instead of withdrawing, the student instead decided to offer him some money, and the homeless fellow bowed repeatedly and took the money.
the collision between a somewhat scrawny man with a suitcase and the student; the latter apologizing profusely and quickly gathering his dropped items.
you noticed a shadow move beyond the train, but maybe it was your imagination.
entered the train through the 5th cart's door and immediately took notice of a homeless man stepping out of the bathroom.
I think that the college student dropped something accidentally when he collided with the businessman and didn't pick it up in his confusion. The homeless man was grateful for the money, so he wanted to return back the student's item, but he had no ticket to travel legally on the train. So he sneaked up beyond the train to enter in the engine room and we saw his shadow. Both the engine room and the 5th passenger cart(where the student sat down) was in the back of the train, and they were coming out from the same cart in the end of the story, so it all seems to fit.
However, let's do a conspiracy aswell. It's also possible that the student was killing the people on the train, and when the homeless Ivan found him with a gun over Damien's dead body (who he shot), he shot himself to repel suspicion from himself and threw the gun away. Ivan in his confusion picked up the gun and this is where the policemen came in.
Alternatively, it's also possible that when the student gave money to Ivan at the station, he was hiring him as a mercenary to do his evil bidding.
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Better, but you need to be tighter than that!
Regardless of intent, it's still possible for Patty and Jack to exist in one of the rooms we looked through and we missed their presence.
Fair enough, but because of the open-ended sense of this truth, it doesn't solve where they are still... they could exist somewhere else as well. (THE WARLOCK'S PORTAL OF DOOM)
Regardless of the actual source of the crimes, it's still possible for Patty and Jack to perceive us as a possible culprit and thus a threat. Alternately, they could have something else they wish to hide and did not wish to be seen, viewing any persons as possible threats to their secrets or safety.
Patty and Jack would not see you as a threat or culprit under any circumstances.
I cannot deny the second statement, but it does not help solve anything. >.>
Regardless of whether poison was actually ingested, Zack was poisoned. Perhaps he inhaled it or had it injected.
If not poison, it could be one of numerous documented medical diseases. Under strange circumstances, it could also be a new disease that we don't know about.
If not a disease, he could be faking his illness for some reason. I don't need to explain the reason!
Zack had no poison injected into him.
The inhalation part doesn't sound right - if he somehow 'inhaled' the poison from the environment, why isn't anyone else affected?
There are no diseased people on the train.
Also, if it was a 'new disease' that no one knows about, how would Olivia be able to treat it correctly then?
Finally: Zack would not fake an illness for any reason.
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Andrew - the college student - was the one behind the happenings and 'Iron Fist' Jack Rafferty... uh, I mean detective Damien was sent out to do an undercover investigation on a train. When things started to kick in, he moved into the 5th cart to check on Andrew, but he couldn't find him. When Andrew arrived back through the bottom floor staircase, he noticed Damien and killed him from behind. He then hid the body of detective Damien somewhere in the 5th cart.
^ Sin City reference hidden there. ^
Zack accidently inhaled a substance that was harmful for him.
Inhaled, because the key you found in Cart 2 had a very intense stench.
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Also, can you please copy this either in the first or second post?
I'll break down the 6 mysteries that you guys need to solve, once more:
- How did Zack get in his current condition?
- How did the people in the driver's cart die?
- How did the people in the 2nd cart's VIP bathroom die?
- Where is Damien/how did he die?
- How did Ivan get onto the train?
- Where are the rest of the missing people?
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Better, but you need to be tighter than that!
Regardless of intent, it's still possible for Patty and Jack to exist in one of the rooms we looked through and we missed their presence.
Fair enough, but because of the open-ended sense of this truth, it doesn't solve where they are still... they could exist somewhere else as well. (THE WARLOCK'S PORTAL OF DOOM)
Don't be so soft, Warlock!
It is the Warlock's burden to answer valid theories with a black truth! It is not the human team's responsibility to explain the truth in whole, so long as the theory is valid and can be explained without magic!
By Devil's Proof, I do not need to explain my truth further until you provide more information in black that proves my theory impossible. It is not my job to solve mysteries, only to disprove magic!
Or perhaps you can't think of a way to counter without revealing Jack and Patty's true location?
I'll break down the 6 mysteries that you guys need to solve, once more:
- How did Zack get in his current condition?
- How did the people in the driver's cart die?
- How did the people in the 2nd cart's VIP bathroom die?
- Where is Damien/how did he die?
- How did Ivan get onto the train?
- Where are the rest of the missing people?
You are under the wrong impression on how to run this game, Warlock. Here are the revised 6 mysteries that we need to solve to better fit the framework of the game.
- How is Zack's current condition possible without the use of magic?
- How could the people in the driver's cart have died without the use of magic?
- How could the people in the 2nd cart's VIP bathroom have died without the use of magic?
- If magic isn't possible, knowing that he's dead, why aren't we able to find Damien?
- How did Ivan get onto the train without the use of magic?
- How can there be people missing from the train if magic isn't possible?
Note that while they are similar, they carry a different nuance to them. It's your responsibility to carefully develop these mysteries with the use of black truths! Otherwise us humans can claim anything we want and win without even reaching the truth! As the Game Master, there's no way that could ever be your intention!
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Regardless of whether poison was actually ingested, Zack was poisoned. Perhaps he inhaled it or had it injected.
If not poison, it could be one of numerous documented medical diseases. Under strange circumstances, it could also be a new disease that we don't know about.
If not a disease, he could be faking his illness for some reason. I don't need to explain the reason!
Zack had no poison injected into him.
The inhalation part doesn't sound right - if he somehow 'inhaled' the poison from the environment, why isn't anyone else affected?
This doesn't change the core of my argument. You only dispelled one possibility, and that was only an example. Here, let me generalize harder for you.
Zack was poisoned. Perfectly, humanly possible.
Repeat it in black!
"Zack was not poisoned."
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Better, but you need to be tighter than that!
Regardless of intent, it's still possible for Patty and Jack to exist in one of the rooms we looked through and we missed their presence.
Fair enough, but because of the open-ended sense of this truth, it doesn't solve where they are still... they could exist somewhere else as well. (THE WARLOCK'S PORTAL OF DOOM)
Don't be so soft, Warlock!
It is the Warlock's burden to answer valid theories with a black truth! It is not the human team's responsibility to explain the truth in whole, so long as the theory is valid and can be explained without magic!By Devil's Proof, I do not need to explain my truth further until you provide more information in black that proves my theory impossible. It is not my job to solve mysteries, only to disprove magic!Or perhaps you can't think of a way to counter without revealing Jack and Patty's true location?
I'll break down the 6 mysteries that you guys need to solve, once more:
- How did Zack get in his current condition?
- How did the people in the driver's cart die?
- How did the people in the 2nd cart's VIP bathroom die?
- Where is Damien/how did he die?
- How did Ivan get onto the train?
- Where are the rest of the missing people?
You are under the wrong impression on how to run this game, Warlock. Here are the revised 6 mysteries that we need to solve to better fit the framework of the game.
- How is Zack's current condition possible without the use of magic?
- How could the people in the driver's cart have died without the use of magic?
- How could the people in the 2nd cart's VIP bathroom have died without the use of magic?
- If magic isn't possible, knowing that he's dead, why aren't we able to find Damien?
- How did Ivan get onto the train without the use of magic?
- How can there be people missing from the train if magic isn't possible?
Note that while they are similar, they carry a different nuance to them. It's your responsibility to carefully develop these mysteries with the use of black truths! Otherwise us humans can claim anything we want and win without even reaching the truth!
As the Game Master, there's no way that could ever be your intention!
For Kuro's defense, I have no problems with solving simple murder cases, even if they include no magic. Things have been changed, so I guess while a witch's job is to convince people that magic exists, a warlock's job is to hide more and more details from people to create a crime that is hard to solve (because i share the feeling with EvaRia that the story had nothing to do with magic, except the silly warlock dialogues which were out of place and the confused homeless mumbling magic in the end).
For now, I have another theory.
a woman (who wore expensive clothes) sat near the food server. ... The dark-haired guy partially danced away with a bottle of orange juice
he looked slightly disoriented based on his movements. Both of them headed downstairs. This can imply that he was already poisoned at that point, but it was not severe yet.
"y-yyou..." "pp-poois-s-soonn..." (when Olivia showed up)
Olivia was sitting at the counter in the 3rd cart when Zack got his drink from Shandelise. She had a chance to put anything poisonous in Zack's juice while Shandelise was moving items from the shelf/drink cooler to the counter. Zack even said to Olivia that she poisoned him. It might still be a distraction, but let's go with this first.
Olivia put something poisonous in Zack's juice. That's how Olivia knew how to cure him.
Also, shoutout to Kuro:
Black truths are worse than red truths. They are a pain to read out and they cannot be seen when the sunlight shines on my screen from my window.
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Okay.
So, I guess I need to steer this towards more 'magical' means, and less 'mystery' means, and thus, I'll have to be more deliberate in how I speak my black truths. Sorry about the wait you guys, but I needed some help. :-X
Andrew - the college student - was the one behind the happenings and 'Iron Fist' Jack Rafferty... uh, I mean detective Damien was sent out to do an undercover investigation on a train. When things started to kick in, he moved into the 5th cart to check on Andrew, but he couldn't find him. When Andrew arrived back through the bottom floor staircase, he noticed Damien and killed him from behind. He then hid the body of detective Damien somewhere in the 5th cart.
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Zack accidently inhaled a substance that was harmful for him.
Inhaled, because the key you found in Cart 2 had a very intense stench.
Zack did not inhale anything poisonous.
Damien is not a detective and was not searching for anyone.
This doesn't change the core of my argument. You only dispelled one possibility, and that was only an example. Here, let me generalize harder for you.
Zack was poisoned. Perfectly, humanly possible.
Repeat it in black!
"Zack was not poisoned."
FINE THEN FORMER WITCH. I SHALL GIVE YOU THE TRUTHS YOU HAVE BEEN DIGGING OUT OF ME.
Zack was poisoned. He absorbed the poison initially through his lips (not by ingestion!), thus causing it to spread through his bloodstream.
However, the 'poison' is unique in that it is only used in the medical field to cure a completely irrelevant ailment - it's also very volatile to handle in the hands of a non-professional. Who would carry and do such a thing?
Also:
Regardless of intent, it's still possible for Patty and Jack to exist in one of the rooms we looked through and we missed their presence.
You would not miss Jack's or Patty's visible presence if they existed in the rooms you searched and moved through.
Olivia was sitting at the counter in the 3rd cart when Zack got his drink from Shandelise. She had a chance to put anything poisonous in Zack's juice while Shandelise was moving items from the shelf/drink cooler to the counter. Zack even said to Olivia that she poisoned him. It might still be a distraction, but let's go with this first.
Olivia put something poisonous in Zack's juice. That's how Olivia knew how to cure him.
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Black truths are worse than red truths. They are a pain to read out and they cannot be seen when the sunlight shines on my screen from my window.
But wait!
Zack was the first one to open the juice bottle, thus making it impossible for the poison to be put into the juice before Zack drank it.
...also, I might be changing the 'dark black truths' to 'lame, but highly visible turquoise truths'. :(
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(Just search through some of the colours found in my sig)
Missing person(s) were hidden inside the engine room somewhere
while you were helping zack, someone went to the front of the train and killed jack before returning to her seat and fell back asleep
I probably missed something here
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Any human without an alibi could have brought the poison onto the train, then applied the poison on a floor that I was not present on. I've already explained that nobody on the train has a positional alibi if they're not in the same room as me!
Also, better cut in on this before I forget.
It's possible that Jack and Patty left the moving train at any point I wasn't in the same room as them. Someone noticed, then did not inform me or the police of what happened.
Even if they have no reason to hide it, they could have been killed before they had the chance to pass on the information.
Repeat it in black!
"Jack and Patty don't exist anywhere outside the train!"
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(Just search through some of the colours found in my sig)
Missing person(s) were hidden inside the engine room somewhere
while you were helping zack, someone went to the front of the train and killed jack before returning to her seat and fell back asleep
I probably missed something here
There are no hiding places inside the Engine Room.
There is no evidence of Jack being killed.
Any human without an alibi could have brought the poison onto the train, then applied the poison on a floor that I was not present on. I've already explained that nobody on the train has a positional alibi if they're not in the same room as me!
Also, better cut in on this before I forget.
It's possible that Jack and Patty left the moving train at any point I wasn't in the same room as them. Someone noticed, then did not inform me or the police of what happened.
Even if they have no reason to hide it, they could have been killed before they had the chance to pass on the information.
Repeat it in black!
"Jack and Patty don't exist anywhere outside the train!"
Fine again.
The poison was applied in a room you were not present at by a kiss.
Jack and Patty do not exist outside of the train.
There is no evidence of Patty being killed.
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Zack was poisoned. He absorbed the poison initially through his lips (not by ingestion!), thus causing it to spread through his bloodstream.
Does this solve the 'how did he get 'cursed'?' mystery?
If not, I'm about to say that the straw of the juice was poisoned.
Also, can you please strikethrough (like this) the mysteries in the OP which were already solved? Or put a 'Solved!' after them? I'm not sure which ones are solved currently and which ones are not. ?_? (following 4 mysteries were much easier in the previous game ^^")
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Andrew - the college student - was the one behind the happenings and 'Iron Fist' Jack Rafferty... uh, I mean detective Damien was sent out to do an undercover investigation on a train. When things started to kick in, he moved into the 5th cart to check on Andrew, but he couldn't find him. When Andrew arrived back through the bottom floor staircase, he noticed Damien and killed him from behind. He then hid the body of detective Damien somewhere in the 5th cart.
Damien is not a detective and was not searching for anyone.
... okay, you disproved the story part, but didn't react for the technical part ...
Now again:
When Leo figured out that Zack had a problem, Damien moved into the 5th cart, because he had the intention to move there (if you need a theory, he was just annoyed of the punks, so he went to a cart where he can't hear them). At any point between this point and the point where Andrew was limping out of the cart, Andrew killed Damien, he then hid the body somewhere in the 5th cart (for example in the overhead space for luggages. Hell! Even a person could fit there).
Also, please clarify (not necessarily in black):
Was the businessman who collided with Andrew in the beginning of the story Terry or Richard?
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Does this solve the 'how did he get 'cursed'?' mystery?
If not, I'm about to say that the straw of the juice was poisoned.
Also, can you please strikethrough (like this) the mysteries in the OP which were already solved? Or put a 'Solved!' after them? I'm not sure which ones are solved currently and which ones are not. ?_? (following 4 mysteries were much easier in the previous game ^^")
The magic poison is yet to be dispelled; how was the poison applied and by whom without the use of magic? Otherwise, I added the 'Solved' thing in the main post.
I also need the human truth to be, you know, actually white and bold...
... okay, you disproved the story part, but didn't react for the technical part ...
Now again:
When Leo figured out that Zack had a problem, Damien moved into the 5th cart, because he had the intention to move there (if you need a theory, he was just annoyed of the punks, so he went to a cart where he can't hear them). At any point between this point and the point where Andrew was limping out of the cart, Andrew killed Damien, he then hid the body somewhere in the 5th cart (for example in the overhead space for luggages. Hell! Even a person could fit there).
Also, please clarify (not necessarily in black):
Was the businessman who collided with Andrew in the beginning of the story Terry or Richard?
Terry is much skinnier than Richard. :P
Damien's body was not found inside the 5th cart after officers investigated the train.
The warlock would never hide or attempt to hide a corpse.
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The culprit went to the Engine Cart and exited through the opening that Ivan made. He then parkoured through the top of the train to the Driver's cart and opened the roof panel. When it was opened, the culprit dropped a BOMB down which killed the people inside, but didn't blast big enough to destroy the whole cart. After the explosion, he jumped in through the roof panel and took the Conductor Key of one of the victims to open the door from the inside. This happened before I went down to help Zack.
Alternatively,
Instead of jumping through the Driver Cart's roof panel, the culprit parkoured back to the Engine Cart and went back inside the train. The Driver's Cart door was later opened by either Jack or Patty from the outside.
I'm pretty sure that the culprit entered or attacked through the roof panel.
About the Engine cart being open or not:
The Engine cart's door was not closed when the culprit moved through it.
OR
When Ivan unlocked it from the inside, he didn't close it afterwards, this is why it was open.
Or if you attempt to copy a previous black truth:
The culprit got on the top of the train through an opening in Cart 5/Cart 4/Cart 3 or Cart 2.
I found this double negative statement:
No one inside the driver's cart would not willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
Can the double negative be fixed please? ('would willingly let' instead of 'would not willingly let')
There were 18 people on the train
This means that an extra, unnamed person is included in the story unless Kuro messed up the maths.
Unless someone left the train via the Engine Room (6th cart), any other person would have spotted someone leaving the train via a passenger or bathroom window and told the officers/train staff/any other person what happened.
Change 'Unless' to 'If' please, because this is not a correct truth yet and leaves the corresponding white truth uncountered.
Replying to your last black truths:
Either the straw or the opening of the juice was poisoned before Zack touched it with his lips. His lips absorbed the poison on contact.
The poison was applied in a room you were not present at by a kiss.
What does 'by a kiss' mean? Can you just delete 'at by a kiss' to avoid confusion? ^^" I think the sentence would mean the same.
There are no hatches/openings on the bottom or underneath the train due to safety reasons.
Where do the urine and faeces leave the train then from the bathrooms? xD
Damien's body was not found inside the 5th cart after officers investigated the train.
The warlock would never hide or attempt to hide a corpse.
The culprit, aka the warlock burned Damien's dead body to ashes.
Alternatively,
The officers overlooked Damien's body. Damien hid so well in the 5th cart when he was alive that only the warlock could find and kill him.
More will come later.
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I have no freaking idea what is going on.
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The culprit went to the Engine Cart and exited through the opening that Ivan made. He then parkoured through the top of the train to the Driver's cart and opened the roof panel. When it was opened, the culprit dropped a BOMB down which killed the people inside, but didn't blast big enough to destroy the whole cart. After the explosion, he jumped in through the roof panel and took the Conductor Key of one of the victims to open the door from the inside. This happened before I went down to help Zack.
Alternatively,
Instead of jumping through the Driver Cart's roof panel, the culprit parkoured back to the Engine Cart and went back inside the train. The Driver's Cart door was later opened by either Jack or Patty from the outside.
I'm pretty sure that the culprit entered or attacked through the roof panel.
The culprit never opened any roof panel.
About the Engine cart being open or not:
The Engine cart's door was not closed when the culprit moved through it.
OR
When Ivan unlocked it from the inside, he didn't close it afterwards, this is why it was open.
Or if you attempt to copy a previous black truth:
The culprit got on the top of the train through an opening in Cart 5/Cart 4/Cart 3 or Cart 2.
I still have to use a previous black truth (underlined the key word for emphasis this time):
The two hatches/opening panels on the roof were shut and could not be opened with one's hands.
Ivan closed the Engine door to prevent anyone from seeing that it was left open.
I found this double negative statement:
No one inside the driver's cart would not willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
Can the double negative be fixed please? ('would willingly let' instead of 'would not willingly let')
Fixed. :P
There were 18 people on the train
This means that an extra, unnamed person is included in the story unless Kuro messed up the maths.
What? No, there were only 18 people on the train total. Count the names, INCLUDE yourself, and you'll see that it was exactly 18. Do I really have to list the names again in black? >_<
Unless someone left the train via the Engine Room (6th cart), any other person would have spotted someone leaving the train via a passenger or bathroom window and told the officers/train staff/any other person what happened.
Change 'Unless' to 'If' please, because this is not a correct truth yet and leaves the corresponding white truth uncountered.
Replying to your last black truths:
Either the straw or the opening of the juice was poisoned before Zack touched it with his lips. His lips absorbed the poison on contact.
Fixed the previous black truth, but a new one (as well as an old one with additions) awaits! [underlined details]
Zack never used a straw.
Zack was the first one to open the juice bottle, thus making it impossible for the poison to be put into the juice or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
The poison was applied in a room you were not present at by a kiss.
What does 'by a kiss' mean? Can you just delete 'at by a kiss' to avoid confusion? ^^" I think the sentence would mean the same.
There are no hatches/openings on the bottom or underneath the train due to safety reasons.
Where do the urine and faeces leave the train then from the bathrooms? xD
Deleting the 'by a kiss' part at your request I guess.
For the latter, bodily waste exits into a compartment under the diner's cart (storage doesn't just include food inventory for the diner's cart or train supplies), which gets emptied out from the side. On another note though, by hatches and openings, I mean that there are no realistic openings for a person to enter or exit through from underneath, unless you're saying a) people can shrink and change their body sizes via magic to enter/exit these openings \:D/ or b) there's no openings or hatches on the bottom in case one is left slightly ajar and someone gets killed via stepping OUT of the train and getting run over.
Either way, the truths both hold. Also, no need to turn this into a black truth since it's just trivial details UNLESS you absolutely want me to do so. :/
Damien's body was not found inside the 5th cart after officers investigated the train.
The warlock would never hide or attempt to hide a corpse.
The culprit, aka the warlock burned Damien's dead body to ashes.
Alternatively,
The officers overlooked Damien's body. Damien hid so well in the 5th cart when he was alive that only the warlock could find and kill him.
More will come later.
Clever, but nowhere close.
Damien's body is still completely intact and recognizable.
Damien never tried to hide from anyone.
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Now I'm scared that I scared you solvers off. :(
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Zack was the first one to open the juice bottle, thus making it impossible for the poison to be put into the juice or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
This makes no sense. Please leave out reasons from black truths if they are not related in any way with the content. ?_?
It should have been said easy and simple:
There was no poison inside or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
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Zack was the first one to open the juice bottle, thus making it impossible for the poison to be put into the juice or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
This makes no sense. Please leave out reasons from black truths if they are not related in any way with the content. ?_?
It should have been said easy and simple:
There was no poison inside or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
I thought the grammar was fine, but okay. :(
There was no poison inside or on the surface of the juice bottle before Zack drank it.
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Olivia splattered poison on the opening of Zack's juice after he opened it.
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Olivia splattered poison on the opening of Zack's juice after he opened it.
Olivia never entered the room Zack was in after he opened the juice bottle.
Zack finished the juice before heading downstairs.
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I have no freaking idea what is going on.
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I have no freaking idea what is going on.
We're trying to solve murder mysteries. Wanna join?
For now: Zack was drinking from the bathroom sink's water, which was actually poisonous.
Or if you didn't hear any absurd guesses in a while, here is what came to my mind on the bus:
Zack, after using the bathroom, tried to wash his hands when a snake jumped out of the sink and bitten Zack's lips. The snake then left through the toilet.
So yeah, this last one was inspired by a movie, where a terrorist wanted to kill someone on a plane by loading different kinds of snakes on board. The snakes then went loose and bitten people on various sensitive places, including one's tongue/mouth/lips. It also had a scene where they entered the pilot's room and there was a dead body on the floor and one on the counter, so
The people in the driver's cart were killed by an animal.
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For now: Zack was drinking from the bathroom sink's water, which was actually poisonous.
Or if you didn't hear any absurd guesses in a while, here is what came to my mind on the bus:
Zack, after using the bathroom, tried to wash his hands when a snake jumped out of the sink and bitten Zack's lips. The snake then left through the toilet.
[snip]...
The people in the driver's cart were killed by an animal.
To repeat: Zack did not ingest anything poisonous.
And also: There were no animals on the train at any point during the story.
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Zack drank from the sink tap directly, which was covered in poison. His mouth made direct contact with the tap.
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Very well. I have no counter.
Zack's lips made contact with the bathroom's sink faucet, which was covered with poison.
I suppose this 'solves' a second mystery in regards to how it was done, even though you still don't know who, so... very well done Submachine. :) ...IT'S NOT EVEN PAGE 15 YET I'M SO SSSSSSSSCCCCCCRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD. DX
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Very well. I have no counter.
Zack's lips made contact with the bathroom's sink faucet, which was covered with poison.
I suppose this 'solves' a second mystery in regards to how it was done, even though you still don't know who, so... very well done Submachine. :) ...IT'S NOT EVEN PAGE 15 YET I'M SO SSSSSSSSCCCCCCRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD. DX
Happyness! :)
Though I have this thing for direct solution:
Olivia poisoned the faucet.
Andrew poisoned the faucet.
Ivan poisoned the faucet.
The faucet was poisoned even without outside action.
Leo poisoned the faucet.
Zack himself poisoned the faucet.
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Happyness! :)
Though I have this thing for direct solution:
Olivia poisoned the faucet.
Andrew poisoned the faucet.
Ivan poisoned the faucet.
The faucet was poisoned even without outside action.
Leo poisoned the faucet.
Zack himself poisoned the faucet.
A curious situation presents itself now, since these mysteries are not full in their explanation (shot-gun effect white-truthing is starting to wither me down it seems, sorry Eva for failing you my magic master).
Remember the black truth's statement regarding how the poison entered Zack? And the non-black information that went with it?
Dr. Olivia was the one who brought the substance on the train. However, she never entered any bathroom.
Zack would not cause harmful body to himself.
Leo would not poison someone he loves.
The faucet was not poisoned before the train boarded passengers.
I demand a more specific truth human!
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Dis gon b my personal mystery.
Someone was trying to kill Richard, who was originally trying to use this bathroom, but failed when the punks showed up. Zack was just an unlucky victim.
Andrew stole a vial of substance from Olivia's medkit, then applied it to the faucet when nobody was looking.
Why Andrew? Well it couldn't have been Olivia for several reasons. Andrew was the one though who collided with one of the businessmans in the beginning, so he has a connection point. The white truth also lives if my theory is incorrect.
Witch, answer the question: Who collided with Andrew? Terry or Richard?
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Dis gon b my personal mystery.
Someone was trying to kill Richard, who was originally trying to use this bathroom, but failed when the punks showed up. Zack was just an unlucky victim.
Andrew stole a vial of substance from Olivia's medkit, then applied it to the faucet when nobody was looking.
Why Andrew? Well it couldn't have been Olivia for several reasons. Andrew was the one though who collided with one of the businessmans in the beginning, so he has a connection point. The white truth also lives if my theory is incorrect.
Witch, answer the question: Who collided with Andrew? Terry or Richard?
And very well:
Terry collided with Andrew at the beginning.
Andrew applied the poison after obtaining it from Dr. Olivia.
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Rectified a previous dark truth. *sigh*
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Rectified a previous dark truth. *sigh*
You should have waited with that until i extended my white truth. :-X But nevertheless, I had another shotgun effect and rewording for this mystery to get a similar black truth. Oh well, I'm now trying to focus on Damien. 8)
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If not outside the train, they must be inside!
There are two rooms which I have not searched, the 5th Passenger Cart and the Engine Room. Jack and Patty are hiding or trapped in one of those carts. Because of they way they were hiding, or because of where they were trapped, the police were unable to find them.
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If not outside the train, they must be inside!
There are two rooms which I have not searched, the 5th Passenger Cart and the Engine Room. Jack and Patty are hiding or trapped in one of those carts. Because of they way they were hiding, or because of where they were trapped, the police were unable to find them.
To repeat (modified) black truths and post a few new ones:
Jack never entered Cart 5, either willingly or forced.
Patty never returned to Cart 5 after checking for tickets, either willingly or forced.
You can only enter the Engine Room from either Cart 5 or from the aforemented roof panel.
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If the train would be a plane instead: :D
(https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10612921_10152729793146840_9029398676684487039_n.jpg?oh=1c8c857f67123f2cb8a13628b95d4d81&oe=548CD73C)
Damien fell out one of the windows of the 5th cart and died from the fall, rolling and friction.
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If the train would be a plane instead: :D
(https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10612921_10152729793146840_9029398676684487039_n.jpg?oh=1c8c857f67123f2cb8a13628b95d4d81&oe=548CD73C)
Damien fell out one of the windows of the 5th cart and died from the fall, rolling and friction.
I LOVE that drawing. :P
None of the 5th cart's windows were opened or broken open throughout the entire story.
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Damien fell out of the train from the small corridor through a gap/opening between the 5th cart and the Engine Room.
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Damien fell out of the train from the small corridor through a gap/opening between the 5th cart and the Engine Room.
There are no gaps or openings between any cart doors.
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Damien was never in the Engine Room.
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Damien was never in the Engine Room.
This statement doesn't solve anything. ?_? If Damien was never in the Engine Room then, where WOULD he be then? And how did he die?
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Damien was pushed out of the Engine Cart through a service door.
Damien climbed up to open the roof panel in the Engine Cart with a crowbar and standed on top of the train. Later Andrew followed and they had a raintop fight (HOW AWESOME WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN!), where eventually Damien fell off the train.
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Damien was pushed out of the Engine Cart through a service door.
Damien climbed up to open the roof panel in the Engine Cart with a crowbar and standed on top of the train. Later Andrew followed and they had a raintop fight (HOW AWESOME WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN!), where eventually Damien fell off the train.
Now you getting ridiculous. xD
To counter both:
Damien never fell nor was pushed off the train.
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Damien was pulled off the train by Andrew.
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Damien was pulled off the train by Andrew.
Not really sure how this even works but, again:
Damien never fell nor was pushed/pulled off the train.
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Damien never fell nor was pushed off the train.
Fine;
Damien jumped/stepped/moved/rolled/moonwalked/etc off the train instead of accidently falling or being forced to fall.
Maybe Andrew was chasing him with a crowbar and he thought that he would survive.
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Fine;
Damien jumped/stepped/moved/rolled/moonwalked/etc off the train instead of accidently falling or being forced to fall.
Maybe Andrew was chasing him with a crowbar and he thought that he would survive.
Damien's body never left the train.
Damien was sliced up and placed into the patron's food.
Repeating:
Cannibalism was never committed.
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Time for me to join. I apologize in advance if I do anything wrong...
Damien was murdered by someone else on the train.
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Time for me to join. I apologize in advance if I do anything wrong...
Damien was murdered by someone else on the train.
That's a good start, though the white truth has to answer the following questions:
-How was he killed?
-Who killed him? (sometimes optional)
-Where is his body now?
We already know that his body is in the same room where he was killed. (though we don't know in which cart that was, except that we know that he wasn't found in the 5th cart)
We also know that he wasn't hiding and the killer didn't hide his body (if he was killed at all, it could have been an accident).
Damien's body is still intact and recognizable, so he wasn't burned or consumed.
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My brain hurts trying to piece this all together...
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I would like to know (from anyone trying to figure out the story): How did the train come to a stop?
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Time for me to join. I apologize in advance if I do anything wrong...
Damien was murdered by someone else on the train.
Define 'by someone else'. (?) - This doesn't exactly solve any mystery, unless you're referring to a specific culprit. :P
My brain hurts trying to piece this all together...
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I would like to know (from anyone trying to figure out the story): How did the train come to a stop?
The train came to a screeching halt because the train had the emergency brakes triggered automatically after the override was on for too long.
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No one inside the driver's cart would willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
The door to the driver's cart requires a conductor's key to enter.
The person who had murdered the three people inside did not have any key on him.
At least 1 death occurred in the driver's cart while the door was completely closed.
The weapon used to kill the three people inside is not something you would find 'conventional' (i.e. - not a knife or a gun).
The culprit never opened any roof panel.
I know that now I just need to put the picture together. The solution is right at my fingertips.
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Ok, let's do this. Have not read through every post, so I risk stating something old.
The three in the drivers card were killed with poison gas.
The three in the driver's cart were killed by poison, brought (unknowingly) by Marcia into the cart.
The murderer entered while the drivers opened the door for Marcia.
Someone else got the conductor's key, unlocked the door from the outside, and then the murderer entered the room.
The murderer entered the cart through a secret pasage.
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I've put another theory together:
The culprit bumped into Marcia on the way to the Driver's cart and pointed a gun at her. She was then forced to open the door to the driver's cart with her Conductor's Key. The culprit then pushed Marcia in the room and threw a bomb(or any other explosive) among the people inside, then quickly closed the door. The blast killed everyone inside, cracked the windshield and bursted the roof panel open.
This was the point in the story when the train started shaking even more violently.
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Uhmmm....
Something happened to cause the emergency brakes to activate.
Either someone accessing a manual over ride, or the on board control panel figured it was time to do so.
The part in the story, where the cell phone is used to call 911, seems really out of place, or is just some trivial fluff for no apparent reason, judging from the answer I received above.
On another subject...
No one inside the driver's cart would willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
The door to the driver's cart requires a conductor's key to enter.
The person who had murdered the three people inside did not have any key on him.
At least 1 death occurred in the driver's cart while the door was completely closed.
The weapon used to kill the three people inside is not something you would find 'conventional' (i.e. - not a knife or a gun).
The culprit never opened any roof panel.
I know that now I just need to put the picture together. The solution is right at my fingertips.
The author alludes that this is a train similar to the ones run by AmTrack, on the west coast of the United States. These are all powered by diesel-electrics. So that rules out carbon monoxide poisoning.
The conductor was killed / murdered first, and the next two victims could not have succumbed to poison gas so quickly - unless it is some kind of nerve agent.
Since broken glass was strewn about the cockpit, I'm guessing some at some kind of implosion / concussion device.
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I already asked this from Kuro. The full answer I got was that there is an emergency brake system in the train, that automatically activates the brakes when it reaches the next station. This is not something you can find on an AMTRAK train, but as i understood, only some basic characteristics are shared with our train and the AMTRAK. The rest is made up by imagination, because we're ain't engineers. :P
Note that if anything seems to be out of place that is not related at all to the original mysteries, it's better to ignore them, because they distract you from the real point of the game.
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Ok, let's do this. Have not read through every post, so I risk stating something old.
The three in the drivers card were killed with poison gas.
The three in the driver's cart were killed by poison, brought (unknowingly) by Marcia into the cart.
The murderer entered while the drivers opened the door for Marcia.
Someone else got the conductor's key, unlocked the door from the outside, and then the murderer entered the room.
The murderer entered the cart through a secret pasage.
There are no secret passages leading into the driver's cart.
Every conductor on the train always had possession of their key while alive.
The drivers did not open the door for anyone.
Marcia did not bring anything into the cart.
If any harmful gas was detected in the driver's cart, any of the people inside would have been alerted and would simply open the roof panel and/or driver's door to ventilate/escape the room (and temporarily allow the train to autopilot).
I've put another theory together:
The culprit bumped into Marcia on the way to the Driver's cart and pointed a gun at her. She was then forced to open the door to the driver's cart with her Conductor's Key. The culprit then pushed Marcia in the room and threw a bomb(or any other explosive) among the people inside, then quickly closed the door. The blast killed everyone inside, cracked the windshield and bursted the roof panel open.
This was the point in the story when the train started shaking even more violently.
The culprit did not throw anything into the room when the door was open.
Uhmmm....
Something happened to cause the emergency brakes to activate.
Either someone accessing a manual over ride, or the on board control panel figured it was time to do so.
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The author alludes that this is a train similar to the ones run by AmTrack, on the west coast of the United States. These are all powered by diesel-electrics. So that rules out carbon monoxide poisoning.
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...I'm both highly impressive and terrified about the detail you're going into for a magic game of warlock truths. D: that being said, submachine's post above is both correct and just slightly incorrect... ;)
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Fine.
The murderer entered the drver's cart when Marcia had opened the door to it. Then he killed the three in there and left.
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Fine.
The murderer entered the drver's cart when Marcia had opened the door to it. Then he killed the three in there and left.
You seem to be forgetting something:
At least 1 death occurred in the driver's cart while the door was completely closed.
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Fine.
The murderer entered the driver's cart when Marcia had opened the door to it. Once he had entered he closed the door behind him. Then he killed the three in there and left.
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Same truth, minor modification.
The culprit bumped into Marcia on the way to the Driver's cart and pointed a gun at her. An explosive belt was attached to her, she was then forced to open the door to the driver's cart with her Conductor's Key. The culprit then pushed Marcia in the room, then quickly closed the door. The blast killed everyone inside, cracked the windshield and bursted the roof panel open.
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Fine.
The murderer entered the driver's cart when Marcia had opened the door to it. Once he had entered he closed the door behind him. Then he killed the three in there and left.
The murderer was not even inside the driver's cart when the first murder occurred inside there.
Same truth, minor modification.
The culprit bumped into Marcia on the way to the Driver's cart and pointed a gun at her. An explosive belt was attached to her, she was then forced to open the door to the driver's cart with her Conductor's Key. The culprit then pushed Marcia in the room, then quickly closed the door. The blast killed everyone inside, cracked the windshield and bursted the roof panel open.
Marcia did not wear any explosive on her before entering the driver's cart.
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The murderer got gas into the driver's cart, through the ventilation system or under the door, which forced the people inside to open the roof panel. When they had done this, the murderer was on the roof and threw down a grenade os similar explosive and killed them.
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The murderer got gas into the driver's cart, through the ventilation system or under the door, which forced the people inside to open the roof panel. When they had done this, the murderer was on the roof and threw down a grenade os similar explosive and killed them.
Black truth extended:
The culprit did not throw anything into the room when the door was open. --->
---> The culprit did not throw anything into the room when the door/roof panel was opened.
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Repeat this: The only ways for objcts to enter the driver's cart is through the roof panel and through the door.
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The murderer got gas into the driver's cart, through the ventilation system or under the door, which make the people on the inside go berserk and break a hole in the wall. When they had done this, the murderer had thrown a grenade or similar explosive through the opening.
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Repeat this: The only ways for objects to enter the driver's cart is through the roof panel and through the door.
Extensive repeat:
The only way for an object (as in a material/physical object, not energy such as light) to enter the driver's cart is through the roof panel or through the main door between the 2nd and 1st cart.
Stated this just in case someone brings up lasers or some other ridiculousness into this...
Also CR - bold it for me please? ^^ NEVERMIND:
The murderer got gas into the driver's cart, through the ventilation system or under the door, which make the people on the inside go berserk and break a hole in the wall. When they had done this, the murderer had thrown a grenade or similar explosive through the opening.
The train walls cannot be broken open.
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Fixed
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Sorted things out a bit.
Opening the door:
The door to the driver's cart requires a conductor's key to enter.
The person who had murdered the three people inside did not have any key on him.
No one inside the driver's cart would willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
The drivers did not open the door for anyone.
The culprit never opened any roof panel.
Killing people:
At least 1 death occurred in the driver's cart while the door was completely closed.
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred.
Marcia was in the same room as the culprit when she was killed.
The murderer was not even inside the driver's cart when the first murder occurred inside there.
The culprit did not throw anything into the room when the door/roof panel was open.
The murderer did not place any explosive inside the room.
No one entered the driver's cart with any explosive device (hidden or otherwise).
Marcia did not bring anything into the cart.
This includes being forced to wear and deliver something on her to the Driver's cart.
If any harmful gas was detected in the driver's cart, any of the people inside would have been alerted and would simply open the roof panel and/or driver's door to ventilate/escape the room (and temporarily allow the train to autopilot).
Miscellaneous:
Every conductor on the train always had possession of their key while alive.
The only way for an object (except light, lightning, heat or sound) to enter the driver's cart is through the roof panel or through the main door between the 2nd and 1st cart.
The weapon used to kill the three people inside is not something you would find 'conventional' (i.e. - not a firearm or a meelee object that was designed to be a weapon).
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The murderer entered the room when Marcia openend the door, put a bomb inside the room, then quickly exited the room, and closed the door.
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The murderer entered the room when Marcia openend the door, put a bomb inside the room, then quickly exited the room, and closed the door.
The murderer did not place any explosive inside the room.
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Repeat: The murderer entered the room when marcia opened the door, then exited the room and closed the door.
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The culprit knew how to electrocute everyone in the Driver's cart from the outside, but you could say that it was an inside job. ;) Get it? He then forced Marcia to open the door and go in. After she was inside, she was killed by a non-conventional weapon and the culprit left the scene.
The culprit suffocated Marcia with a Velcro detachable pillow outside the Driver's cart, then took her keys. He used the key to enter the door, then closed it right behind him. He then used a non-conventional weapon to kill the 2 drivers inside, and after they were dead, the culprit opened the door, dragged Marcia's dead body in and then left the scene.
The Velcro detachable pillows were placed back afterwards.
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The culprit knew how to electrocute everyone in the Driver's cart from the outside, but you could say that it was an inside job. ;) Get it? He then forced Marcia to open the door and go in. After she was inside, she was killed by a non-conventional weapon and the culprit left the scene.
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Heh.
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred.
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...I'm both highly impressive and terrified about the detail you're going into for a magic game of warlock truths. D:
Okay, I suppose I may be over-thinking things.
I was going by what the story stated in the opening post, and then trying to figure a line of thought on some of the questions that followed.
I jumped in here because I thought I'd try something simpler than a mafia game, is all.
Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused.
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Okay, I suppose I may be over-thinking things.
I was going by what the story stated in the opening post, and then trying to figure a line of thought on some of the questions that followed.
I jumped in here because I thought I'd try something simpler than a mafia game, is all.
Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused.
No inconvenience at all DeathKnyte - if anything, your research has (somewhat?) pointed people in the right direction and also gave this topic some interesting perspectives. That being said... this is far more complicated than a mafia game in my opinion, considering it's much more creative in regards to winning/solving, versus voting and using abilities to win on your 'team'.
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The culprit forced Marcia to open the door to the driver's cart, then she was threatened to go into the room. When she was in, the culprit killed her from outside of the room with a ranged non-conventional weapon (can be a bow&arrow, a sling, a tazer, a very long non-weapon blunt object, etc.). He then rushily stepped in and closed the door behind him before killing the drivers with the same weapon.
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The culprit forced Marcia to open the door to the driver's cart, then she was threatened to go into the room. When she was in, the culprit killed her from outside of the room with a ranged non-conventional weapon (can be a bow&arrow, a sling, a tazer, a very long non-weapon blunt object, etc.). He then rushily stepped in and closed the door behind him before killing the drivers with the same weapon.
I'm guessing some sort of explosion is involved to explain the broken glass.
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While that might be true, we need to go around this black truth:
The murderer did not place any explosive inside the room.
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The murderer hid explosives on something (food tray or cart? person?) that somebody else took into the driver cart.
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The culprit forced Marcia to open the door to the driver's cart, then she was threatened to go into the room. When she was in, the culprit killed her from outside of the room with a ranged non-conventional weapon (can be a bow&arrow, a sling, a tazer, a very long non-weapon blunt object, etc.). He then rushily stepped in and closed the door behind him before killing the drivers with the same weapon.
Marcia was in the same room as the culprit when she was killed.
The murderer hid explosives on something (food tray or cart? person?) that somebody else took into the driver cart.
No one entered the driver's cart with any explosive device (hidden or otherwise).
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No one inside the driver's cart would willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
The drivers did not open the door for anyone.
The person who had murdered the three people inside did not have any key on him.
These could mean any of the following:
- They unlocked it purposely (e.g: they wanted to get something from outside), and the murderer happened to be right outside when the door opened
- A train staff (or someone with a conductor key who was not the culprit) opened it from the outside with his/her own conductor key
- The door was never actually opened
- Someone else was already inside and he/she opened the door from the inside to let someone else in
The murders could only occur through the door, the roof panel or through the walls (somehow from the outside).
But let's worry about the first murder for now:
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred.
Marcia was in the same room as the culprit when she was killed.
The murderer was not even inside the driver's cart when the first murder occurred inside there.
This means that if Marcia would have died first, she was in the Driver's cart and the culprit was in the same room. However that's countered by a black truth.
So we now KNOW that one of the drivers died first and not Marcia. However, the murderer was not inside yet and the door couldn't have been opened by Marcia's conductor key. This opens up new questions and possibilities.
Let's clarify things first:
All people in the driver's cart died by accident. The door and the roof panel were only open, because they tried to open them in their last desperate attempts while dying.
One of the drivers or another person who was not Marcia (list all people mentioned in the story by shotgun effect) but was inside the Driver's Cart, died from being poisoned by touching/inhaling/ingesting poison either inside the cart or earlier outside of the cart and not receiving medical help.
All people inside the driver's cart died by either poisoning or an attack through the walls by the help of electricity/shockwaves/high temperature.
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The people inside the driver's cart died from a lack of oxygen.
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This analysis stuff is getting scurry. :o
[skipping of analytic stuff]
Let's clarify things first:
All people in the driver's cart died by accident. The door and the roof panel were only open, because they tried to open them in their last desperate attempts while dying.
One of the drivers or another person who was not Marcia (list all people mentioned in the story by shotgun effect) but was inside the Driver's Cart, died from being poisoned by touching/inhaling/ingesting poison either inside the cart or earlier outside of the cart and not receiving medical help.
All people inside the driver's cart died by either poisoning or an attack through the walls by the help of electricity/shockwaves/high temperature.
There were no accidental deaths.
None of the people you saw in the driver's cart brought anything inside the cart that was considered poisonous. Also, none of the surfaces of the driver's cart was poisoned.
Neither of the drivers left the driver's cart during the story.
Not all deaths inside the driver's cart were killed the same way.
No one was killed from shockwaves or high temperatures.
If someone tried to electrocute people through a metal wall, the attack would affect everyone on the train (regardless of position) equally.
The people inside the driver's cart died from a lack of oxygen.
The ventilation system would detect if the atmosphere inside any cart would reach asphyxia levels and alert everyone on the train. This system never went off.
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The murderer tampered with the alert system.
The system malfunctioned.
The murderer gagged the victims and proceeded to asphyxiate them.
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The murderer tampered with the alert system.
The system malfunctioned.
The murderer gagged the victims and proceeded to asphyxiate them.
The culprit had no way of accessing the alert system on the train.
The alert system would not malfunction.
No one was gagged.
And how would he gag them anyway? >_>
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Probably with the pillow.
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Sorted things out a bit. Take 2.
Opening the door:
The door to the driver's cart requires a conductor's key to enter.
The person who had murdered the three people inside did not have any key on him.
No one inside the driver's cart would willingly let anyone in who is not part of the train staff. They would also not leave it unlocked accidentally to avoid someone breaking in.
The drivers did not open the door for anyone.
Neither of the drivers left the driver's cart during the story.
The culprit never opened any roof panel.
Killing people:
There were no accidental deaths.
At least 1 death occurred in the driver's cart while the door was completely closed.
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred.
Marcia was in the same room as the culprit when she was killed.
The murderer was not even inside the driver's cart when the first murder occurred inside there.
The culprit did not throw anything into the room when the door/roof panel was open.
None of the deaths in the Driver's Cart were a result of any explosion.
Marcia did not bring anything into the cart.
This includes being forced to wear and deliver something on her to the Driver's cart.
Not all deaths inside the driver's cart were killed the same way.
Miscellaneous:
Every conductor on the train always had possession of their key while alive.
The only way for an object (except light, lightning, heat or sound) to enter the driver's cart is through the roof panel or through the main door between the 2nd and 1st cart.
The weapon used to kill the three people inside is not something you would find 'conventional' (i.e. - not a firearm or a meelee object that was designed to be a weapon).
No one was killed from shockwaves or high temperatures.
If someone tried to electrocute people through a metal wall, the attack would affect everyone on the train (regardless of position) equally.
None of the people you saw in the driver's cart brought anything inside the cart that was considered poisonous. Also, none of the surfaces of the driver's cart was poisoned.
If any harmful gas was detected in the driver's cart, any of the people inside would have been alerted and would simply open the roof panel and/or driver's door to ventilate/escape the room (and temporarily allow the train to autopilot).
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Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred.
Marcia was in the same room as the culprit when she was killed.
The murderer was not even inside the driver's cart when the first murder occurred inside there.
Wait, what? Is this not a logical error?
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Oh, nevermind. That just requires the murderer to have entered the driver's cart, or Marcia to have left it, after the first murder and before her murder.
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Marcia and the drivers were inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred. One of the drivers were killed from the distance, either through an opening (door, roof panel, other holes), through the wall or by a prepared/timed effect inside the Driver's cart.
We also know that Marcia didn't left the Driver's cart, so the culprit had to step in the cart, either through the door or the roof panel. When he was in, he just had to kill Marcia and the other driver with non-conventional weapons/methods.
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The murderer placed explosives on the roof panel/roof/window. The explosion broke the panel and the window, killed at least one of the drivers, and made the door swing open. Then the murderer entered the cart and killed the remaining person(s).
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The murderer placed explosives on the roof panel/roof/window. The explosion broke the panel and the window, killed at least one of the drivers, and made the door swing open. Then the murderer entered the cart and killed the remaining person(s).
There were no explosives placed on the outside of the train.
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The culprit activated a remote control, which caused the driver's counter to have a short circuit and explode. A driver or 2 died in the explosion. Marcia, who was inside the room, opened the door in panick, but the culprit was waiting outside. He then pushed Marcia back on the floor, closed the door behind himself and suffocated her with a VELCRO DETACHABLE PILLOW.
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The murderer placed explosives right outside the room, on the inner wall of the train or on the door itself. The explosion broke the panel and the window, killed at least one of the drivers, and made the door swing open. Then the murderer entered the cart and killed the remaining person(s).
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The culprit activated a remote control, which caused the driver's counter to have a short circuit and explode. A driver or 2 died in the explosion. Marcia, who was inside the room, opened the door in panick, but the culprit was waiting outside. He then pushed Marcia back on the floor, closed the door behind himself and suffocated her with a VELCRO DETACHABLE PILLOW.
The murderer placed explosives right outside the room, on the inner wall of the train or on the door itself. The explosion broke the panel and the window, killed at least one of the drivers, and made the door swing open. Then the murderer entered the cart and killed the remaining person(s).
Tag-teaming me, eh?
The culprit had no way of short circuiting the driver's counter/dashboard/train controls.
If an explosive was placed right outside the room or on the door of the driver's cart, the explosion would have also caused damage to the 2nd cart (windows, walls, etc.). There was no such damage in the 2nd cart.
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Do we think this might provide any clues? Maybe not, but I am looking for anything we might be missing.
You eavesdrop on the conversation that Patty and Marcia were having, despite their 'whispering'...
"I don't know about Jack's behavior, but he won't do it again I think... it'll all be okay, right Marcia?"
"It won't be if I catch him pulling the same ******* **** one more time. Tired of him getting away with his laptop abu-"
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Also, Kuro mentioned that Jack is in the story twice, once in the convo above and again from the Warlock's perspective. Think this is a hint as to how Jack died?
Fully satisfied, the warlock no longer cared about his original target and decided to press forth - another worthless monster stood in his way, but this one was far stronger than anticipated. Although he was able to force the beast towards the earth, he was unable to shackle it, and found himself in a dreadful position. Instead, he decided to unleash all of his remaining power - while the blast itself caused the monster to fly into the atmosphere, it also caused damage to the warlock.
Now was the time to retreat - there was only one way out of this now... as a last minute attempt for survival, he summoned his pet to do his bidding, but when it refused, his anger boiled over to a most dangerous point.
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A part of an explosive device was already in the Driver's cart, and another part is on Marcia. The 2 parts do not count as explosives separately, but when they close enough to each other, they explode. When Marcia went into the driver's cart and closed the door behind her, the device activated and exploded, thus killing one or 2 of the drivers.
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A part of an explosive device was already in the Driver's cart, and another part is on Marcia. The 2 parts do not count as explosives separately, but when they close enough to each other, they explode. When Marcia went into the driver's cart and closed the door behind her, the device activated and exploded, thus killing one or 2 of the drivers.
Very well then.
There was never an explosion in the driver's cart.
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Can you clarify this: What exactly is considered as "explosives"? Or to put it differently: Is it possible for anything that isn't "explosives" to explode? Or is everything that can explode defined as "explosives"?
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The murderer threw something through the roof panel while it was closed, breaking the panel. It hit at least 1 person inside, and it forced the door open. Then the murderer entered through the door and killed the remaining person(s).
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A part of an explosive device was already in the Driver's cart, and another part is on Marcia. The 2 parts do not count as explosives separately, but when they close enough to each other, they explode. When Marcia went into the driver's cart and closed the door behind her, the device activated and exploded, thus killing one or 2 of the drivers.
Very well then.
There was never an explosion in the driver's cart.
But then we also have this:
An explosion from outside the Driver's cart killed 1 or 2 of the drivers.
The explosion would have come from the front windshield, which would explain the crack on the window. For completeness, please make this the counter for my truth:
None of the deaths in the Driver's Cart were a result of any explosion.
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Inb4 kuro's counter is "An explosion from outside the the driver's cart did not kill any drivers"
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Assuming Explosive means anything that explodes, we already have a black truth about that.
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Can you clarify this: What exactly is considered as "explosives"? Or to put it differently: Is it possible for anything that isn't "explosives" to explode? Or is everything that can explode defined as "explosives"?
An explosive is any device that causes a explosion, regardless of intensity (ranging from a popper, a firecracker, or even a bomb). Basically, anything that can 'explode' can be defined as explosive in this case. You have a black truth about that, yes.
The murderer threw something through the roof panel while it was closed, breaking the panel. It hit at least 1 person inside, and it forced the door open. Then the murderer entered through the door and killed the remaining person(s).
But then we also have this:
An explosion from outside the Driver's cart killed 1 or 2 of the drivers.
The explosion would have come from the front windshield, which would explain the crack on the window. For completeness, please make this the counter for my truth:
None of the deaths in the Driver's Cart were a result of any explosion.
Nothing was thrown through the roof panel by anyone.
Neither driver was killed by something/someone from outside (on top of the train, through the door, outside a window, etc.) of the driver's cart.
None of the deaths in the Driver's Cart were a result of any explosion.
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Repeat this in black:
Your memory of the events relating to this case is exactly as you observed them.
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We already know thats false because of the whole "first murder" thing.
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Repeat this in black:
Your memory of the events relating to this case is exactly as you observed them.
Your memory of the events relating to this case is exactly as you observed them.
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More food for thought. Marcia was in the diner's cart last time we saw her before she died, yes?
In a bold attempt, he managed to lure one of the demons in the diner's cart towards a blood ritual; a ritual so bad that the horror alone would cause all of them to implode into nothingness. It worked like a charm, and he had no qualms creating a tempest to scatter the elements - he no longer had a need for teleportation, for his powers had grown ten-fold as a result of the chaos.
So he used something to entice her into the driver's cart, then the first murder took place. I'm guessing she tried to flee and the murderer was waiting outside the door. He goes in and kills her and the other driver, taking damage himself (per the italicized section after the above quote). I don't know how to make that specific enough for white text, but maybe someone else can use this to help.
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Someone was unknowingly given something poisonous from the murderer. That person entered the driver's cart and the drivers ate this poisonous thing and died. Marcia and the person opened the door to escape but then the murderer entered the room instead and killed Marcia.
Repeat this:
Only 3 person died in the driver's cart.
Only Marcia, the drivers, the murderer and you was ever inside the driver's cart.
No one in the driver's cart was killed with poison.
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Someone was unknowingly given something poisonous from the murderer. That person entered the driver's cart and the drivers ate this poisonous thing and died. Marcia and the person opened the door to escape but then the murderer entered the room instead and killed Marcia.
Neither of the drivers ate anything poisonous while on the train.
Repeat this:
Only 3 person died in the driver's cart.
Only Marcia, the drivers, the murderer and you was ever inside the driver's cart.
No one in the driver's cart was killed with poison.
Okay?
Only 3 person died in the driver's cart.
Only Marcia, the drivers, the murderer and you was ever inside the driver's cart.
No one in the driver's cart was killed with poison.
*coughs* ;)
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Damien was unknowingly given something poisonous from the murderer. Damien then entered the driver's cart and ate this poisonous thing and died. Marcia and the drivers opened the door to escape but then the murderer entered the room instead and killed them. He then broke the windshield and threw out Damien body through it.
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Damien was unknowingly given something poisonous from the murderer. Damien then entered the driver's cart and ate this poisonous thing and died. Marcia and the drivers opened the door to escape but then the murderer entered the room instead and killed them. He then broke the windshield and threw out Damien body through it.
In conjunction:
Damien did not die in the driver's cart.
Damien never ate anything poisonous.
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After the first murder, Marcia opened the door to escape, but then the murderer entered the room instead and killed everyone in the driver's cart who was still alive (except himself)
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After the first murder, Marcia opened the door to escape, but then the murderer entered the room instead and killed everyone in the driver's cart who was still alive (except himself)
The murderer did not enter the driver's cart until Marcia was dead.
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Are these consistent? (in bold white, just in case)
Marcia was in the same room as the culprit when she was killed.
The murderer did not enter the driver's cart until Marcia was dead.
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Yes.
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I take it from the above that either room != cart, or culpurit != murderer. Which one?
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Or Marcia wasn't murdered in the driver's cart. He dragged her body in after killing her?
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Richard entered the VIP bathroom while Terry was right outside. While the bathroom door was open, the murderer came and killed them both.
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Richard entered the VIP bathroom while Terry was right outside. While the bathroom door was open, the murderer came and killed them both.
Terry was on the top floor when Richard entered the VIP bathroom.
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Marcia was killed in the Diner Cart, then the murderer dragged her body into the Driver Cart.
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Marcia was killed in the Diner Cart, then the murderer dragged her body into the Driver Cart.
Marcia was killed in the Driver Cart, then the murderer dragged her body into the Driver Cart.
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I'm trying to get the hang of this again. :)
I want to ask you some clarifications, Kuro. These would be:
- How many keys are there in the game and who had them initially?
- Who is Jack? What do we need to know about him? What is his job on the train?
- Is the short conversation necessary about Jack? If yes, please finish the sentence about him. A more lenghty conversation would also be great in that case. ^^
Now that the technical part is ready, it's time for another truth breakdown!
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred.
Marcia was in the same room as the culprit when she was killed.
The murderer was not even inside the driver's cart when the first murder occurred inside there.
The murderer did not enter the driver's cart until Marcia was dead.
Marcia and the culprit were in the same room when Marcia died. Before that point, the murderer did not enter the driver's cart. That means Marcia didn't die in the driver's cart. However, Marcia had to be in the driver's cart before the first murder. This means a culprit somehow killed someone in the driver's cart by not even being inside, then Marcia left the location into the culprit's arms.
The murder either happened by a pre-transported item/effect, a 4th person, a penetrating energy-weapon (e.g: railgun, heat laser, etc), or something long-ranged / gravity-affected. Bear my new truths:
The culprit used a weapon-type that can penetrate solid material (e.g: railgun, heat laser, etc) to kill one of the drivers inside.
The culprit poured molten lava or acid on the roof panel. When it melt through the panel, it poured on one of the drivers. The effect was lethal and the driver died.
Please repeat the correct clarifications in black:
When the culprit killed anyone, he maintained direct eye-contact with his victims.
The only way to maintain direct eye-contact with someone in the driver's cart from outside is either through the open door, the open roofpanel or the frontal window. (maintaining direct eye-contact doesn't mean that you need to look in someone's eye, but it means that you need to look at them. This is only possible if there are no solid, non-transparent objects between the culprit and the victim. Seeing someone's reflection does not count as direct eyecontact.)
When the first murder occurred in the Driver's cart, Marcia was already inside.
At that point, Marcia was still alive.
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred in the story. OR
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred in the driver's cart.
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[2014-11-05 04:15:11] Submachine: ‹@Kuroaitou› Can we have black truths? ;D
[2014-11-05 04:16:01] Kuroaitou: Every one wins warlock game. There. X_X
I won the game! \:D/
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Marcia was killed in the Diner Cart, then the murderer dragged her body into the Driver Cart.
Marcia was killed in the Driver Cart, then the murderer dragged her body into the Driver Cart.
Marcia was not killed in the Diner's Cart. Also, Marcia was not killed inside the Driver's cart.
I want to ask you some clarifications, Kuro. These would be:
- How many keys are there in the game and who had them initially?
- Who is Jack? What do we need to know about him? What is his job on the train?
- Is the short conversation necessary about Jack? If yes, please finish the sentence about him. A more lenghty conversation would also be great in that case. ^^
There were a total of eight keys. 1 for each member of the train staff (2 drivers, 1 food server, 3 general conductors), and 2 were VIP keys (i.e. - passengers who could access the VIP bathroom without the need of a conductor).
Jack is one of the three conductors on the train. His main job is like the other conductors (check for tickets, ensure nothing stupid is happening, etc.), but he's the only one who has a laptop and can also deal with technical support issues (i.e. - he can communicate with train stations if there are any delays or potential train malfunctions, check for weather updates, and do other things that the drivers are tasked to do (aside from driving the train itself, of course)).
The short conversation will be updated relatively soon. Is there ANYTHING else you'd like me to expand upon within the story?
The culprit used a weapon-type that can penetrate solid material (e.g: railgun, heat laser, etc) to kill one of the drivers inside.
The culprit poured molten lava or acid on the roof panel. When it melt through the panel, it poured on one of the drivers. The effect was lethal and the driver died.
Please repeat the correct clarifications in black:
When the culprit killed anyone, he maintained direct eye-contact with his victims.
The only way to maintain direct eye-contact with someone in the driver's cart from outside is either through the open door, the open roofpanel or the frontal window. (maintaining direct eye-contact doesn't mean that you need to look in someone's eye, but it means that you need to look at them. This is only possible if there are no solid, non-transparent objects between the culprit and the victim. Seeing someone's reflection does not count as direct eyecontact.)
When the first murder occurred in the Driver's cart, Marcia was already inside.
At that point, Marcia was still alive.
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred in the story. OR
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred in the driver's cart.
Rail guns, heat lasers, and other high-tech weaponry that can bypass solid material was not used whatsoever in the story.
No one died from something that could penetrate the roof (no lava, acid, or metal-eroding materials).
The only way to maintain direct eye-contact with someone in the driver's cart from outside is either through the open door, the open roofpanel, the frontal window or by the use of a camera.
When the first murder occurred in the Driver's cart, Marcia was already inside. At that point, Marcia was still alive.
Marcia was already inside the Driver's cart when the first murder occurred in the story.
[2014-11-05 04:15:11] Submachine: ‹@Kuroaitou› Can we have black truths? ;D
[2014-11-05 04:16:01] Kuroaitou: Every one wins warlock game. There. X_X
I won the game! \:D/
Oh hush you. I have a cough and me working 6 days a week suxorz. XP
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The short conversation will be updated relatively soon. Is there ANYTHING else you'd like me to expand upon within the story?
Nothing else so far. Thanks for the update. :)
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Conversation between Marcia and Patty expanded upon, with minor spell errors also fixed.
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About this black truth:
When the culprit killed anyone, he maintained direct eye-contact with his victims.
A camera can be used to maintaining direct eye contact.
Can you expand it like this?:
The only way to maintain direct eye-contact with someone in the driver's cart from outside is either through the open door, the open roofpanel, the frontal window or by the use of a camera.
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About this black truth:
When the culprit killed anyone, he maintained direct eye-contact with his victims.
A camera can be used to maintaining direct eye contact.
Can you expand it like this?:
The only way to maintain direct eye-contact with someone in the driver's cart from outside is either through the open door, the open roofpanel, the frontal window or by the use of a camera.
Fair enough. Fixing/fixed.
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When the culprit killed anyone, he maintained direct eye-contact with his victims.
This was not repeated in black. o_o
Okay then, so it won't be that simple. x3
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When the culprit killed anyone, he maintained direct eye-contact with his victims.
This was not repeated in black. o_o
Okay then, so it won't be that simple. x3
There's a loophole. Exploit it for all it's worth!
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When the culprit killed anyone, he maintained direct eye-contact with his victims.
This was not repeated in black. o_o
Okay then, so it won't be that simple. x3
There's a loophole. Exploit it for all it's worth!
Fixed/re-added. >_>
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Marcia and the 2 drivers in the Driver's Cart when Marcia opened the door from inside. The culprit was standing there already, and he killed one of the drivers with a long ranged non-conventional weapon. After this he stepped in, punched the people inside to the ground with his muscles, closed the door, then finished them off with suffocating them with a Velchro detachable pillow.
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Marcia and the 2 drivers in the Driver's Cart when Marcia opened the door from inside. The culprit was standing there already, and he killed one of the drivers with a long ranged non-conventional weapon. After this he stepped in, punched the people inside to the ground with his muscles, closed the door, then finished them off with suffocating them with a Velchro detachable pillow.
The driver cart doors were never opened until at least one of the drivers died.
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Damien was killed in one of the carts and the culprit left him there. When the train shook, luggages or other items fell on his body, that's why noone found it.
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Damien was killed in one of the carts and the culprit left him there. When the train shook, luggages or other items fell on his body, that's why noone found it.
I feel like Damien's death is the most ambiguous, so let me add this piece of story in:
The officers listened to your story carefully, but took note of something.
"...and then after reaching the top of the stairs, you entered the driver's cart where you saw the three corpses of the train staff and ran off immediately due to fear and to find help possibly?"
You claim yes and told them that's what you last saw before running off. Out of caution, one of the officers boldly decided to enter the train of the 2nd cart (the door had been opened as the train was stopped), and took a peek around. As the group watched the officer take a pause after turning to the bathroom, the officer then carefully stepped up to the top floor of the 2nd cart... only to come down back with a tense face.
"...are you sure it was three?" The officer asked.
"I'm pretty sure it was three, my vision isn't blurry-"
"I just counted four. There was a non-train staff person in that same cart who has apparently bled to death. Probably no older than 22."
"Are you talking about the black guy?"
Everyone besides you had turned to Leo at the point. The officer gave an eyebrow. "...yes, he was black. And he was wearing a hoodie."
You didn't realize six people were dead until this point. How did a corpse magically appear there?
Damien's body is now found in the Driver's cart! However, how did his body even end up there without teleportation magic if you saw all there was in the Driver's cart?
Damien's body was never obscured by luggage.
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Are you kidding me?
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/259/943/694.png)
Damien being a black guy changes a lot, because i kept imagining him like this:
(http://www.standard.co.uk/news/standard-pictures/article7331264.ece/alternates/w620/Hands%20up%20Jack%20Rafferty%20(Benicio%20del%20Toro).jpg)
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The culprit got on the rooftop somehow, forced the roof panel open and shot the drivers with a harpoon gun.
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The culprit got on the rooftop somehow, forced the roof panel open and shot the drivers with a harpoon gun.
The roof panel was not open when any of the murders in the driver cart occurred.
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Maybe there are more people than are implied? Are there two people that have the same name?
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Maybe there are more people than are implied? Are there two people that have the same name?
All of the names in this story are unique. (I.e. - no one has the same first name or last name or 'nick names' - this is to make it easier for you guys to track who does what in the story).
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Just a question though: Why did we not get this piece of information earlier?
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Just a question though: Why did we not get this piece of information earlier?
I thought it was implied/explained earlier when ALL of the names were listed with their corresponding colors. :/
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were there any suicides?
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None of the dead people in the game killed another person (this includes themselves).
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Just a question though: Why did we not get this piece of information earlier?
I thought it was implied/explained earlier when ALL of the names were listed with their corresponding colors. :/
I meant the piece of information about Damien appearing in the driver cabin. xD
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The culprit got on the rooftop somehow, forced the roof panel open and shot the drivers with a harpoon gun.
The roof panel was not open when any of the murders in the driver cart occurred.
The culprit got on the rooftop somehow, forced the roof panel open and hung a heavy object with a rope or other hanging item. Then he closed it back so quick that it cut the rope(hanging item) and the heavy object killed the drivers.
2nd:
When I was first in the Driver's Cabin, I didn't take my time to observe the carnage. I could easily miss Damien's body. If the police found it easier, that's probably because when the train stopped, inertia made the body move to a more visible place.
Or if not, then:
Anyone could have moved Damien's body without me or anyone else on the top floor noticing it. There's nothing strange about this!
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The culprit got on the rooftop somehow, forced the roof panel open and hung a heavy object with a rope or other hanging item. Then he closed it back so quick that it cut the rope(hanging item) and the heavy object killed the drivers.
2nd:
When I was first in the Driver's Cabin, I didn't take my time to observe the carnage. I could easily miss Damien's body. If the police found it easier, that's probably because when the train stopped, inertia made the body move to a more visible place.
Or if not, then:
Anyone could have moved Damien's body without me or anyone else on the top floor noticing it. There's nothing strange about this!
Very well then.
Someone brought an object inside the Driver's cart that caused death to the first driver.
Damien opened the driver's cart roof panel.
After Damien was killed on the rooftop by the culprit, his body slid while the train was screeching to a stop, and his corpse then fell through the open roof panel into the driver's cart.
Mystery solved. :)
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So yeah, it would be fun to get back into Witch's Game again, but problem is the story got pretty messy and it's now about 9 months since we all played. So maybe you could rewrite the original story for clarity, remove the mysteries we already solved, possible add a couple more to replace those.
kthxbai
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I've settled the remainder with Kuroaitou in chat. Here's the finishing blows, a little bit paraphrased, for clarity.
The missing people are still on the train somewhere. It's impossible for all observers to cover every possible space on the train during any given moment. Nothing strange about this at all.
The bathroom murders could be perpetrated by any person without an alibi. There's nothing strange about it.
The two drivers were killed through the use of a remotely activated, time triggered, or delayed effect weapon. The door to the driver cart was opened by another conductor who owned a keycard. Marcia was killed outside of the drivers cart, with the exact method and location being irrelevant. Her body was then moved into the cart later through the open door.
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I've settled the remainder with Kuroaitou in chat. Here's the finishing blows, a little bit paraphrased, for clarity.
The missing people are still on the train somewhere. It's impossible for all observers to cover every possible space on the train during any given moment. Nothing strange about this at all.
The bathroom murders could be perpetrated by any person without an alibi. There's nothing strange about it.
The two drivers were killed through the use of a remotely activated, time triggered, or delayed effect weapon. The door to the driver cart was opened by another conductor who owned a keycard. Marcia was killed outside of the drivers cart, with the exact method and location being irrelevant. Her body was then moved into the cart later through the open door.
I have no counter. EvaRia wins the Witch's Game 4!
I'll post details later. ::) :-[ :( :'(
This game was a hot mess. Sorry about that guys.
EDIT: Does anyone want to know the story anyway? Oh jeez.
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I'll post details later. ::) :-[ :( :'(
EDIT: Does anyone want to know the story anyway? Oh jeez.
I do. You should have double-posted to bump the topic; it's only luck that I found your hidden modification. ^^"