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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126259#msg126259
« Reply #180 on: July 28, 2010, 06:06:25 am »
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because even if Bloodshadow attacked him in true OMGWTFBBQ form, he could just turn blood into a spark or something.
God, seriously. OP MUCH?!

This is the first time I've snapped. No one should have an ability like that, because as Helios said, an ability like that is plain godmodding.
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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126260#msg126260
« Reply #181 on: July 28, 2010, 06:15:05 am »
Now now calm down.  It's going to be balanced, don't get your panties in a knot.

The ability may not change the value of your attack or HP.  So, if bloodshadow's OMGWTFBBQ form is a 98|99 thing with devour, there's nothing he can do about that, except change it to a 99|98.

Hence, he could turn an otyugh into a spark.

Hence, unknot you panties.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126263#msg126263
« Reply #182 on: July 28, 2010, 06:23:08 am »
However, in order to ensure that no godmodding occurs, we should agree that you will be unable to remove the abilities of creatures with sufficiently great power (which would include creatures from the Higher Realms and some special figures of the Middle Plane).

For instance, you could reverse Catyrael's HP and Attack temporarily, but you would not be able to disable his Healing powers, which he would retain even with reversed stats.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126264#msg126264
« Reply #183 on: July 28, 2010, 06:23:43 am »
When I look at an ability, I judge it on two things.
- Can this ability be blocked or avoided? If it can't, then it's OP. For example, you might be able to cut through space and time, but if I have a strong enough force field I can block it. If your ability cannot be avoided in any way, it's OP.
- Does this ability cost its user in some way? This isn't as important, but generally more powerful abilities should take heavier tolls on the user. For example, the first time he used True Form and Dark Gate, Jonathan passed out for two days.

If you can metamorphose things, fine. But there must be ways to counter it, avoid it, block it, etc. Remember in Gradual Massacre, I had problems with Xerolance's instant poisoning, infinite revival, and Zeph's unblockable mental probe? An ability is OP if it cannot be nullified in any way.
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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126268#msg126268
« Reply #184 on: July 28, 2010, 06:35:36 am »
Incidentally, Blood, given Gl1tch's entrance into the battle, would you post something InC today?

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126270#msg126270
« Reply #185 on: July 28, 2010, 06:39:55 am »
However, in order to ensure that no godmodding occurs, we should agree that you will be unable to remove the abilities of creatures with sufficiently great power (which would include creatures from the Higher Realms and some special figures of the Middle Plane).

For instance, you could reverse Catyrael's HP and Attack temporarily, but you would not be able to disable his Healing powers, which he would retain even with reversed stats.
Okay, no.  Here is how the ability works:

Lets say you have a ray of light.  You use metamorphasis on the RoL, it turns into a forest spirit.  Because forest spirit and RoL have the same attack/Hp.  Then you grow the spirit until it is a 4|4, it can then be turned into a pegasus.  Or, into a dragon once it's grown to 12|12.  (This is assuming of course there's a transitional phase while it uses growth)

Lets say you have a horned frog.  You may turn it into an abyssal crawler.  It's still going to kill you.

Let's say you have an arc angel.  You may not turn it into anything else.  Why?  Because there are no other cards in the game that are 7|7 in their natural state.

Let's say you have turned something into a steam machine and then it somehow wound up being a fire dragon and you're panicking.  The original form of that something is never lost.  The second Yüruk stops wanting it to be that something, it'll go back to normal.

Let's say you are a 3|3 ulitharid with amazing mind powers.  Yüruk may turn you into a frog.  You still retain those mind powers.  All knowledge is transferred over when you are changed, and if you are changed to something without an active ability, your active ability goes too.

So it's not overpowered.  Yüruk is very restricted in it's use, and all you have to do is bop him on the head and suddenly he can't use his ability anymore.

To summarize, I cannot use this ability to abuse titan, I cannot just turn you into a 0/0, and even though my character COULD turn any malignant cell into a virus, he won't, because he's too stupid to know what either of those things are and he's got serious moral restrictions on him.

Oh yea, and seeing as Tor doesn't understand the ability, he'll probably make random things.  Vampires (4|3s) will turn into random 4|3s or 3|4s.  Because so few of those exist, he'll basically turn one vampire at a time into a death vampires.  But he MIGHT turn some minor vampires into upgraded scorpions.  Could be fun.

As far as blocking it goes, it's a pretty basic mental attack.  Easy enough for someone mental to block.  Even if you don't block it, just punch Yüruk in the face and things will go back to normal.

All balancing issues should be settled now.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126273#msg126273
« Reply #186 on: July 28, 2010, 06:47:09 am »
Incidentally, Blood, given Gl1tch's entrance into the battle, would you post something InC today?
It's 15 minutes to midnight. I'm only online right now because I'm talking to my friend on MSN.

@Gl1tch: Wait... That metamorphosis ability is mental? ???
Then you certainly won't be able to turn uber-Jonathan into a Spark.
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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126274#msg126274
« Reply #187 on: July 28, 2010, 06:48:59 am »
Yep.  Yüruk thinks "I use metamorphasis on you!"  Anyone with basic mental fighting skills can go "you don't think that!!!"

Unless I don't understand lobotomize based combat, which is likely.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126275#msg126275
« Reply #188 on: July 28, 2010, 06:51:44 am »
It is fine then; I can accept that ability.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126470#msg126470
« Reply #189 on: July 28, 2010, 03:28:50 pm »
(hint,this is OOC)

Meanwhile,somewhere in the earthen mountains,a character that nobody paid any attention to earlier,Fridrec,is starting his adventure all over again *beep* *reset mode on...*

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Fridrec got very annoyed about his mine shaft falling down,and he want's to avenge his friend,so he saw,high in the sky,a tiny speck flying towards another mountain,and another,and another.... it seemed like it wasn't going to stop,so he followed it and,he noticed something pecculiar,that that speck wasn't going past the mountains as he thought,it was going through  them,so he ran as fast as he could towards it and found it hit a small valley,then,he got closer and found it was an amazing hammer,decorated with lots of curled stripes and etches Fridrec then thought 'this must have taken ages to make' then,out of exhaustion,he collapsed next to it.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126958#msg126958
« Reply #190 on: July 29, 2010, 03:32:36 am »
Meh... What the hell, why not?

Nothing much else is happening with the Morte battle.

InC:

One particular False Vampire, with the name of Vizreic, who was fairly adept at fighting, had cut down a few of his "True" counterparts. He was a hardened battle veteran, in that group of skilled soldiers that have that infallible ability to still be alive at the end of a battle.

Regardless of all this, Vizreic was not a lucky man. Not a lucky man at all.

Drops of crimson blood flew through the air, and in some spaces where there had been a particularly messy death, formed pools.

Although he was relatively unscathed, being the cause of considerable scathe to others, there was a small puddle of blood forming at his feet. At least, it looked like blood. More... clear-ish though. Transparent. Sort of what you would get if you mixed a  bucket of water with a spoonful of blood.

He blocked a swipe from an enemy Vampire, and was about to bring his sword across his opponent's exposed torso, when he felt a stabbing pain in his leg.

He dropped to one knee, and miraculously managed to avoid the cunning attack of one of his more enterprising enemies. Sadly, the miracle was wasted on Vizreic as he will not be part of this story much longer, for those of you that didn't catch the hint.

The wound was caused by that mysterious puddle suddenly shooting upwards in a spike of ice, piercing his leg and slicing tendons.

As he crouched, the blood-water leapt upwards, forming another icicle and spearing his head with it. His blood mixed with that of the puddle, and Dorfl finally had enough mass to form his physical self again.

The pool sprouted a figure, made entirely of ice, but with a pinkish tint to it. It carried a double-sided spear, which showed it's colors with red markings that ran along it's length.

Dorfl was back.

His spear spun around to knock away a notched blade that was heading towards him, and as it's weight drew the sword to the ground he turned and looked at his assailant with one blood-red eye.

Then and there, the Vampire felt true, absolute, and total fear. The way that eye looked at him so casually, he knew he would die. And his killer wouldn't even care, he was just another obstacle.

Dorfl's staff spun around again, whacking the Vampire on the side of his head, and then Dorfl crouched over his dying body.

"Transfusion"

The blood in the Vampire's body turned ice-cold, froze, expanded into spikes that caused him to implode, and then surged into Dorfl, who absorbed it into himself with relish.

Then, he turned to his next target...

OOC: So yeah. A bit similar to what happened when Dorfl got corrupted with Darkness, 'cept now it's blood and he can turn to liquid and avoid your attacks!

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9727.msg126983#msg126983
« Reply #191 on: July 29, 2010, 04:51:05 am »
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'cept now it's blood and he can turn to liquid and avoid your attacks!
Wouldn't you die if you get vaporized? :P

Anyways, maybe Helios can save you or something. Jonathan will go after Morte, and has no time to look after you.

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Jonathan stared, all eleven of his draconic eyes wide, at the titanic explosion and impossibly bright arcs of lightning that flashed in the place where the floating Necropolis was. The massive bone castle crash-landed onto the ground with an ear-splitting thud, and the burst of electricity seemed to have wiped out the majority of the Reaper army.

Who did that? Jonathan thought. Heimdall came to his mind first; as the Master of Aether, lightning and electricity was his are of expertise. But Jonathan could still see the Ulitharid fighting five or six Reapers from not very far away, crushing the bones of one Reaper with telekinetic force while roasting another with a thunderbolt. The only other member in his party capable of manipulating the Aether was Dorfl; but Jonathan worried that because Aether was not Dorfl's primary element, using an Aetheric spell of such magnitude might utterly exhaust the Golem of his stamina. And when he was exhausted, Dorfl's body would automatically absorb whatever energy available in its surroundings, regardless of how dark and malevolent that energy is; Jonathan sobered at the memories of the last time that happened, when Dorfl was corrupted by the energies of Darkness... But Jonathan had no time to look after his Golem friend. Morte was his first priority, and Jonathan was sure that Dorfl would be all right on his own.

The Necropolis was not far away from him. Despite having painfully crashed onto the ground, the castle of bones was mainly intact. Jonathan remembered the first time when he attacked the real Necropolis, a time before he was appointed the Master of Darkness. As Bloodshadow, the Supreme Archlord of the Abyss, he once attempted to conquer Tartarus, the Realm of Death; he laid siege to the Necropolis built by Mephisto, the Nether King, but even the powerful Ancient Ones could not break through the fortress of amassed bones. Hopefully, this Necropolis built by Morte would prove to be more fragile than that ancient castle built by Mephisto, the Master of Death.

Opening their jaws, the smaller two of Jonathan's three dragon heads unleashed Hell's Tears upon the castle, slamming hundreds of spheres of black and red energies into the accumulated Bone Walls. Jonathan's central head let out a resonant roar, and spew forth a jet of pitch-black Abyssfire crackling with scarlet lightning. The black fire made contact with the bones, charred them, and reduced them to nothing but dust and ashes. And yet, the castle's outer walls still appeared intact.

Letting out a frustrated growl, Jonathan sliced at the Bone Wall with his vicious tail blade. "Darksunder!" he cried, cutting a microcosmic rift in space-time. Then, with his will, Jonathan summoned tentacles of Darkness from the miniature portal into the Abyss, and let the Darkness energies consume the bones around them.

"Cease your futile attempts," came the cold, lifeless voice of Morte. "That bomb of yours was quite spectacular, but even it was not enough to breach my fortress from the inside."

All three of Jonathan's heads turned around to face the False God. In a one-on-one fair fight, Jonathan in his current state would have a moderately high chance of victory. But against Morte, and all twelve of the Tartarian Netherlords standing in a circle around him, Jonathan wasn't so sure of his chances anymore.


Helios, anyone, come and help Jonathan. He sure won't be able to handle all of the Netherlords at once.

And I found a problem in Gl1tch's post:

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Point is Tor lives to see his master, Morte, killed.
I thought we ain't gonna kill Morte.

Also, Yuruk's physical body is currently under Tor's control? What about his mind? And I'll be dealing with Morte and ignore Tor completely, unless Tor is standing beside Morte. Maybe Tor can be one of those Netherlords?
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