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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg76936#msg76936
« Reply #144 on: May 29, 2010, 03:22:02 am »
@Bloodshadow: Perhaps I should add the following disclaimer for clarification: The opinions expressed by the characters do not necessarily reflect the views of the author. Personally, I hold nothing at all against Darkness and I very purposely wrote a statement in the Notes section concerning Heaven's xenophobia actually being an antiquated (and inaccurate) attitude. I regret as much as you do the absence of many progressive reformists in Heaven.

I am really pleased and delighted as to the positive reception expressed by several to my post (blame me not; after all, which writer is not guilty of the enjoyment of praise from others? :P), and, no objections providing, am satisfied that it is acceptable with the current canon.

Regarding the issue of classes of divinity, if the majority believe that Elemental Masters (Master Form) should be slightly more powerful than Council Archangels (and Archdemons for that matter), it is fine with me and I will simply incorporate that into writing. 

I will look forward with great anticipation to continuing this adventure with everyone.

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IC: Though Emparael believed the Sword of Justice to be a mere "civil police force", history had already proven him wrong, and the future would soon follow suit.

The Sword, always led by none less than the incumbent Archangel of Justice, is composed of some of the most potentially illustrious angels in Heaven. It does not conscript or recruit, as the Sword does not seek out members; those few whom believe themselves to be worthy must seek out the Sword and pass arduous tasks to acquire membership and prove themselves to be fiercely devoted to fighting that which is unjust wherever it may be found.

The most important principle and duty of Catyrael's group has always been to enforce Divine Justice in both the Upper and the Lower Worlds, for its mandate originates from Heaven and is, for all practical purposes, eternal; its jurisdiction is also as far and wide-reaching.

Catyrael knew that news spread at the speed of light in Heaven in the aftermath of important Council decisions; hence, he was not particularly surprised to find some old friends waiting for him.

"We have become acquianted with everything that has occurred regarding the Council's decision on intervention in the Lower World. Speaking at least for myself, I am joining you on this venture, Catyrael, and there cannot be a shadow of a doubt about it," said Dominrael.

"Can there be a better moment for the Sword to exercise its power again and to assist those who are in need? Needless to say, I shall participate as well," said Falindael rather cheerfully.

"They speak for me as well," intoned Moriael solemnly. And yet, between such old friends and veterans, six words sufficed to effectively convey a message.

The Archangel of Justice had to pause for a few seconds to take in everything said by this welcoming committee and its implications. They were of a slightly lesser order of Angels, but had proven their worth upon many an occasion, and it mattered not to him.

"You are ancient, dear, and just friends of mine to whom I could not deny this. In fact, it seems you are just as inclined as I am to re-experience some high old times, and if this little adventure actually proves to be more than a small police action, it is certain that we shall."

"However, if we are actually to intervene in what appears to be a large battle between Lower World inhabitants, would you not need more than four angels? Only one thousand years before, I remember the days when Heaven would have sent four hundred!" said Dominrael, on a sad note.

"Yes, Dominrael, you are not alone in having difficulty in reconciling with the fact that Heaven was more powerful once, something which I readily admit. We may not be able to muster four hundred for this police action; we will have to accomodate a small force. Perhaps a group of twenty."

"Both of you worry needlessly. Even were the four of us, the Archangel of Justice and three veteran companions engaged in pitched battle outnumbered one hundred-to-one by hostile Lower World denizens, the odds would still be against them!" noted Falindael with renewed cheer.

"However, these are not average Lower World denizens we speak of. I fear greater powers against whom we have not been tested, and of whom we still know little, are players in this particular game. We must take care."

Catyrael paused, lost for a brief moment in the sphere of angelic thought.

Is it possible that I have failed to consider all of the implications of the situation? Who are these "Elemental Masters" exactly? How powerful are they? What is their attitude regarding Heaven? Are they benevolent? Will they be hostile? They are probably too young to remember Heaven's previous interventions; the last one occurred approximately a century ago, so if they see us, they might be completely ignorant as to our identities and our purpose in the Lower World. How will they react then? Veteran Enforcers of Justice like these three need have little fear against most of the Lower World's inhabitants in battle, but are their lives in peril if such mysterious beings make their presence known? Oh by Solraegiel! I am not the Archangel of Love, but of Justice. And if sacrifices must be made in its name, they shall be. None shall stand in the way of its inexorable fulfillment...but if sacrifice can be minimised, then it should be.

"Yes, friends, my confidence in all of us is unwavering, but be cautious with these unknown creatures of power known as "Elemental Masters". Only once you have ascertained their attitude with relative certainty should you approach them. We know not what they are capable of, and to be safest, I wish to endanger as few as possible. Further, there is another factor to consider: though the Council did not discuss this, I find it very difficult to believe that what appears to be a very well-organised and co-ordinated Death Army could suddenly and spontaneously launch a massive assault upon the Kingdom of Darkness without prior preparation. I sense a great hand behind the maneuver, possibly someone greater than an "Elemental Master". In fact, I suspect the implication of at least one False God. But enough of these concerns, which I will elucidate upon at the briefing. Meet me before the Crystal Arch at the noontide."

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Note: Of course, Heaven is very familiar with the concept of the Elemental Masters, but it knows very little about the current holders of those positions.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg76957#msg76957
« Reply #145 on: May 29, 2010, 04:02:29 am »
OOC: This "The other didn;t answer stuff is getting a bit much ^-^

Dorfl and Vaxyos continued to trek through the Dead Forest, leaving a trail of broken trees behind them, with Dorfl finishing up the story of his past.

"So I'd come into the town looking for a group to travel with, and I found this ragtag bunch," he chuckled at these words, and continued on: "And we've done quite a bit together, meeting up with a few more members in our travels, and we even managed to kill the False God Chaos Lord, but I'm not still entirely sure whether that's good or bad.

"That's it, pretty much. I've told you everything I can remember. There's a little I don't right at the beginning. It's a little . . . Fuzzy, but it was over a thousand years ago, so I guess that's to be expected."

As he was drawing to a close, an angry ball of what appeared to be writhing hair shot out of the undamaged tree on their right side, followed by quite a number more of the same little monsters.

It moved in a blur, but fortunately Dorfl reacted well to blurs, and his hand shot out to intercept the small creature, catching and holding it easily in his massive rock hands, mildly aware that it was trying to bite him, but sure that it would give up soon enough after it's teeth were broken.

He waved his other arm idly, and a wall of stone rose out of the marshes to block the other would-be attackers.

After studying the one he had caught he realized it was actually a type of spider, very similar to the Flesh Recluse but on a much smaller level, and covered with a gigantic mass of black hair.

"Ach! Damn! The thing broke one of my fingers! Nasty little bugger . . ."

But that was as far as he got, because the wall he had summoned had been slowly sinking into the wet swamp around it since it's arrival, and it was helped in no small part by the thing on the other side of the wall, which was trying, with mild success, to knock it down. It had just finished, and Dorfl managed to get a small look in before the thing leaped at him.

It was amazingly similar to the things that had just attacked them, but quite a bit bigger, about three times Dorfl's size, and with a lot more hair. He saw a streak of dark fur before it latched itself onto his head, and then before he managed to rip it off.

His first instinct was to throw the annoying creature, and so he did. His arm trailed back and then swung forwards in a perfect motion, and the thing sailed skywards.

"That's the last of that, you can be sure. C'mon Vaxyos, everyone else is probably already at Necropolis," said one golem to the other before charging back into the trees, knowing that Vaxyos would probably do something like sigh irritably and follow after him.

Vaxyos sighed irritably, and followed after Dorfl into the ever-darkening forest.
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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg76974#msg76974
« Reply #146 on: May 29, 2010, 04:22:01 am »
@Icy: I like the suspense bit! :)

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77010#msg77010
« Reply #147 on: May 29, 2010, 05:26:12 am »
Helios, what exactly do you intend by "intervening"? The reason why I don't really like your concept of Heaven is that I don't think it has the right to "judge" the lower world. In your writing, it seems that the Angels consider everyone else to be below them.

As for power levels... IMO, Void > Zanzarino > Elemental Masters > False Gods > Higher Beings > Mortals.

To me, the Angels are nothing but immortal higher beings, along with Demons, and Reapers. And my conception of the Masters is that they are gods, whose full powers are only dwarfed by Zanzarino, and the Void. The False Gods in our lore are created to contain the Void, and their high levels of power are only the byproduct of the seal. Thus, I feel very uneasy when there is a group of people who could seemingly pwn all the Masters and FGs with little or no effort.

Also, does Heaven only represent Light and Hell only represent Darkness? If so, then there is a severe unbalance of the elements, since the 12 elements are supposed to be equal to each other. And that's another reason why I feel uneasy, because the concept of Heaven and Hell does not really fit Elements the Game. This RPG is based on Elements, so I feel that the RPG should resemble the game itself as much as possible.

If you still want to go with your character, maybe you can change him to a Level 7 Demigod or something like that, whose element is Divine, same as Zanzarino's element. In the power hierarchy the Demigods could be below the Masters and above the FGs.

But don't get me wrong, though. Your writing skills are better than everyone else in this game, and I'd very much appreciate it if you keep playing.
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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77111#msg77111
« Reply #148 on: May 29, 2010, 08:57:16 am »
Again, I would like to dispute Elemental Master's being above False Gods. You yourself stated previously that it would take more than one of us to defeat an FG

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77127#msg77127
« Reply #149 on: May 29, 2010, 09:33:25 am »
OOC: Yeah, I think FG's are still above Masters. False Gods whether mono or multi-elementalists have supernatural powers beyond the regular elemental magic. Just to illustrate, based on the game this RPG came from, FGs cheat, produce more quanta per turn, can draw more cards per turn, have more than 6 cards of a kind and have more cards in their decks. Masters are still players who still follow rules and have reached their pinnacle of elemental skill. I think eventually if a master is strong enough and specializes into a certain kind of stategy using specific abilities/magics/skills they can become a False God dominating a section of the world and should technically be immortal.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77220#msg77220
« Reply #150 on: May 29, 2010, 01:25:29 pm »
What exactly does "Higher Being" mean? Are Immortals and Angels higher beings? I would assume so ;)
Otherwise, I think we can follow what everyone else is saying and put False Gods above Masters.


Heimdall, Veneficus, and MaX stood together, their backs facing inwards as they tried to peer past the rays of light from the Photon. They could see nothing and the magicians dared not use mental detection. Heimdall stood, blades extended. Veneficus pulled out his traditional battle staff, while MaX stood in his demonic form, undoubtedly with tricks up his sleeve.

Wait... this could help... Quickly, Heimdall casted Quintessence on himself. He knew that he could not Immortalize Veneficus or MaX with the spell, but he let the effects wash over them, healing them and strengthening their bodies and minds. Right after Heimdall finished, the earth exploded underneath them and clods of dirt flew into the air, obscuring Heimdall's vision. Heimdall dared not attack at what he could not see lest he hurt Veneficus. When the dirt settled again, Veneficus was nowhere to be seen.

"Veneficus!" Heimdall called out. The ground collapsed a bit and Veneficus rose up coughing.

"What happened?" Heimdall asked urgently.

"Some sort of burrowing spider," Veneficus said. "He caught my legs but I slew him underground-"

Veneficus was interrupted by another explosion of dirt and marsh. Heimdall watched as a purple mass of claws and pincers whirled towards him. It soared past his phased-out form and landed behind him, confused. It seemed to be a Burrow Recluse, a close cousin to the Flesh Recluse that lived underground. Heimdall watched as it turned around and flew, mandibles chittering, straight into Heimdall's extended elbow blade. Heimdall impaled it and then wiped its blood on a tree.

"Burrow Recluses," Heimdall said. "They're fast, but they can't move well in the air. Get them while they're jumping at you." Two more Burrow Recluses appeared at Heimdall's feet and they tried to drag Heimdall underground. It didn't work very well, considering Heimdall wasn't even in their dimension. He dispatched them with two quick mental bursts of energy. Beside him, Veneficus was leaping and spinning his staff crazily, the bladed end slicing through small arachnids while the blunt end casted spells of black destruction. MaX was keeping them at bay, too. Before long, the last Recluse fell to Heimdall's knee blade with a squeak.

All was silent again. For the longest time, the warriors froze, expecting more Recluses to come. But they didn't. Then, Heimdall spoke.

"Burrow Recluses are usually peaceful. Something is definitely wrong here. Someone's controlling them, and I have a feeling the Burrow Recluses were just a welcome message..."

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77349#msg77349
« Reply #151 on: May 29, 2010, 04:40:01 pm »
Back to back to back with the Ulitharid and the Vampire, MaX tried to even out his breathing. Dex was wrapped around his torso. Slowly, the Forest Spectre collected the excess :darkness exuding from Veneficus and were discreetly transforming them into :entropy for MaX.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77421#msg77421
« Reply #152 on: May 29, 2010, 06:16:17 pm »
Ok...I thought Hell is for Fire and Darkness. Heaven is for Light and  ???(maybe Aether?) I actually support Helios's writing and "Heaven" stuff, but can you shorten it a bit, I just look over your writing until the last three paragraphs (not being offensive here).

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InC: Vaxyos sees a large Flesh Recluse creature and sees his partner vanquish it and form a wall to protect us. Vaxyos gets prepared for a battle and shapes his rocky hands into heavy mallets. His jaw extends furthur, his size increases and his strengh doubles. Turning into an animalistic beast, he is only now needed for battle. A Flesh Recluse appears and Vaxyos bashes it with his hand and it dies immediatly. Vaxyos, just to be more powerful, drinks some Potions and becomes stronger. He suddenly goes on a rage and leaves Dorfl behind, smashing trees and anything on his way to Necropolis. Even though Dorfl was alone, he found a clear path to Necropolis and to Vaxyos. A kilometer away from the city, stands a great bonewall, unbreakable. axyos tries to smash it and break it, but is unable to. He wastes an amount of time, even Dorfl manages to find Vaxyos again. Vaxyos calms down and lies there thinking. "Got any ideas, Dorfl?" said Vaxyos. Dorfl remained quiet. Vaxyos found a great idea, "Hey, jump on my back." Dorfl said, "What? Me on top of you? But why and more importantly, How?" Vaxyos said, "I have wings and I can take the weight, I'm doing this because we can fly over the wall." "You better know what you're doing." said Dorfl as he mounted Vaxyos. Vaxyos flew over the wall and over Necropolis. "Too quiet" whispered Vaxyos as he was expecting an attack. Suddenly a large figure appeared, either a Dragon or a Sky Recluse. "Get ready, Dorfl" says Vaxyos as he flies towards the figure without fear.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77480#msg77480
« Reply #153 on: May 29, 2010, 07:27:42 pm »
Again, I would like to dispute Elemental Master's being above False Gods. You yourself stated previously that it would take more than one of us to defeat an FG
That is, when us Masters did not have our full powers. Remember, we're not full Masters yet. Right now, in Jonathan's pinnacle of power (his giant serpentine black dragon form) is only 50% of his full power as the Master of Darkness. We all have vast amounts of potential that haven't been unlocked yet. Whereas for Sekhor, he would probably be able to defeat a FG all by himself.

If you guys really want the FGs to be stronger than the Masters, then I think we should make FGs stronger than us as of now, when our powers haven't fully developed. When our powers fully awaken, like Sekhor, then we'll be stronger than FGs. Otherwise, how can we defeat the False Overgod, whose power is the agglomeration of all the FGs?

OOC: Yeah, I think FG's are still above Masters. False Gods whether mono or multi-elementalists have supernatural powers beyond the regular elemental magic. Just to illustrate, based on the game this RPG came from, FGs cheat, produce more quanta per turn, can draw more cards per turn, have more than 6 cards of a kind and have more cards in their decks. Masters are still players who still follow rules and have reached their pinnacle of elemental skill. I think eventually if a master is strong enough and specializes into a certain kind of stategy using specific abilities/magics/skills they can become a False God dominating a section of the world and should technically be immortal.
A long time ago, I once compared Masters and FGs on how they would appear in the card game. FGs have their unfair advantages; Masters could use the cards of their elements for free, without having to pay for the summoning and ability costs, because they have achieved complete mastery of their elements. Both have fully upgraded decks. That is my conception of the Masters in game.

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What exactly does "Higher Being" mean? Are Immortals and Angels higher beings?
Angels, Demons, Reapers, Immortals, Anubii... Basically, creatures that are immortal, like Xanriel.

And again, I do not think Helios's conception of Heaven and Hell fits the game. If we go with that, then we'll need to think of elemental "higher realms" for all 10 other elements. The equilibrium of all 12 elements must be maintained, because that is the central idea of Elements the Game and we can't ditch that no matter what.


Wardead, I would suggest that you don't arrive at the Necropolis yet. That's for much, much later. I have at least two more battles planned before we arrive at the Necropolis, and I do want us to arrive together. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to have the boss fight just yet.

Also, you forgot the 1 km thick miasma barrier; you're not naturally immune to it because it corrodes as well as poisons.
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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77488#msg77488
« Reply #154 on: May 29, 2010, 07:35:54 pm »
Blood, we have an Air fight. We still didn't land on Necropolis yet, we are fighting above Necropolis, meaning it will take some time and you guys would probably reach there by then.

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Re: Elements RPG! Part 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6743.msg77542#msg77542
« Reply #155 on: May 29, 2010, 08:28:48 pm »
Blood, we have an Air fight. We still didn't land on Necropolis yet, we are fighting above Necropolis, meaning it will take some time and you guys would probably reach there by then.
I don't imagine that the air fight will take longer than a week :P

At the speed we're going, it'll take two weeks, maybe even longer, for us to reach the Necropolis. I do NOT want to rush this campaign, like we did with Chaos Lord. I want to explore the terrain of Death a bit more in depth.

And again, what happened to the 1 km thick miasma wall? You can't just bypass the Dead Marsh's most powerful defense system like it's not there at all.
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