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Submachine · « **Reply #2040 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:31:58 pm »

@MW: Besides his Vulture plan, what are your thoughts on Kaempfer?

And it wouldn't be fair if I didn't ask for your thoughts on me, so that too.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #2041 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:33:13 pm »

Nah, its not about league, it's mostly about how you play mafia (and played in it before). very questionable use of mechanics and not seeing some other things that seem obvious to me. sorry i offended you.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #2042 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:36:18 pm »

Tbf, I drew all the wrong conclusions on day 1-3myself (just because scum was on timpas wagon didn't mean he wasn't scum, Links wagon being pure and not succeeding still didnt mean he was scum, TorB wasn't anubis, kdz was the town between ian and him etc.), so maybe I am stupid as well

Submachine · « **Reply #2043 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:42:03 pm »

Quote from: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2020, 07:36:18 pm

Tbf, I drew all the wrong conclusions on day 1-3myself (just because scum was on timpas wagon didn't mean he wasn't scum, Links wagon being pure and not succeeding still didnt mean he was scum, TorB wasn't anubis, kdz was the town between ian and him etc.), so maybe I am stupid as well

And that's exactly why I was townreading you when you almost got lynched. Link even called me out for having the second most different reads than everyone else. I think the towny confusion is a big telling point in mafia.

This is endgame though, so I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything before I settle on Calindu.

MasterWalks · « **Reply #2044 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:47:05 pm »

Quote from: Submachine on June 16, 2020, 07:31:58 pm

@MW: Besides his Vulture plan, what are your thoughts on Kaempfer?

And it wouldn't be fair if I didn't ask for your thoughts on me, so that too.

My thoughts are he was unusually disorganized and seemed pretty confused around D1-D3 (i think that time). This is when he started getting some major attention from his shock response, his role fishing of me, and the general public just shifting focus to him. I would say his reaction was unusual enough that i got a small scum read. Since i had little for other scum reads, besides what everyone else was reading, i put focus onto him. Now that we are late game, and he has explained himself i would say he is on my town reads, albeit pretty low on it. To put it simply, i dont think he is mafia, but also wouldnt be all that surprised if he is.

Quote from: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2020, 07:33:13 pm

Nah, its not about league, it's mostly about how you play mafia (and played in it before). very questionable use of mechanics and not seeing some other things that seem obvious to me. sorry i offended you.

Oh pfft, if its just the way i play mafia, i aint offended. No worries there.
i cant say i purposely play stupid, but i dont purposely play smart. Ill go in deeper on this after the game is over.

Submachine · « **Reply #2045 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:52:52 pm »

Quote from: MasterWalks on June 16, 2020, 07:18:17 pm

probably not be talking to any of you in about a year

How so?

MasterWalks · « **Reply #2046 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:57:21 pm »

Quote from: Submachine on June 16, 2020, 07:52:52 pm

Quote from: MasterWalks on June 16, 2020, 07:18:17 pm
probably not be talking to any of you in about a year
How so?

Didnt mean that as snide. Just that after flash death this year, the game is going to be carried on by the forums and there is only so much of that before we just kinda fade out.

I havent decided if im going to move to OEtG

MasterWalks · « **Reply #2047 on:** June 16, 2020, 09:15:21 pm »

you asked for my opinion on you as well. I think you are playing pretty normally and i would say you are my biggest townread.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #2048 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:37:25 pm »

Spoiler for Lynchlog:

Spoiler for Day1:

Spoiler for Day2:

Spoiler for Day3:

Spoiler for Day4:

Spoiler for Day5:

Spoiler for Day6:

Ge0's vote on Annele Day5 seems very opportunistic, raising the likelihood of mw town further

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #2049 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:46:11 pm »

Starting to colorize readlists where its actually useful, the scumlists:

Quote from: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 27, 2020, 08:58:16 pm

I know some have starting grouping players together and trying to deduce teams, voting blocks, etc. I personally could not understand the logic behind some of it, just a bit small-brained I guess. Didn't want to sheep them though. My readslist may not make logical sense to some people depending on how they have grouped people. Please read as more of a "Geo's attempt at sensing the vibe on people" kind of list, rather than a "Geo logically solves the game on N1".

As I'm writing this list, I realize most of it still feels somewhat weak. In order to compensate, I will not list anyone as a flat n, everyone is at least n+ or n- so that I'm providing some sort of opinion no matter how weak my read on them.

vv
serp - with moe 200% confirmed deja, serp is 200% confirmed himself. this is obvious to most of you I know, but it was a conclusion I deduced with my own brain and I am proud of it

v
link - nothing about his posts feel scummy to me, I'm not sure how some are reading him as scum. having a train started on him late into D1 was seemingly random to me and felt like a mafia play
torb - could be wrong but feel like he is playing fairly "solo", not trying too hard to get on anyone's good side. in fact maybe doing the opposite, staying extremely wary of everyone until confirmed town. feels towny to me.

n++
rob - some of his play confuses me still, but the constant vote switching and his seeming confusion/panic during EOD felt towny to me, I think mafia would be more certain of what they want?
kdz - gut feel still think he's towny, although at this point in the game I guess that's not good enough to have someone in v
sub - I said I wasn't going to sheep but someone mentioned that if sub was scum he would very likely be caught up during EOD and that just makes so much sense to me

n+
andre - scum andre would have received a bit more defense, he has almost died twice and no one seemed to care. poor guy.

dc (n+)
mw (n-)
the two players I am most unsure about, but as promised have assigned them a not completely neutral read

n-
ian - I feel like his posts have little to no substance, doesn't seem to care much about the game, "I'll post a readslist later, maybe" - not a good feel
annele - still gut feel scummy, but similar to how I don't think my gut feel on kdz warrants v, my read on annele doesn't warrant w. of all players, I wish the most to see more content from her.
shock - weirdest read for me, I really like how he presents his logic, but I don't at all agree with his reads if that makes sense. has me worried they are mafia orchestrated narratives, kinda "feels too good to be true" type solving. almost want to put him in w but idk.

w
calindu - low-ish activity and also a "don't really care about the game" vibe, similar to ian. also started the train on link (I could be wrong on this, too lazy to go back and check but I'm fairly certain he was the first or one of the first to vote on link)
kaemp - a lot of his reads contradict mine, this is maybe somewhat of a gut feel as well, but it's my strongest. as I'm writing this post it seems a wagon is forming on him and I'm content to hop on.

Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #2050 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:48:27 pm »

Getting the impression he hates to be too wrong, scum is evidently closer to the bottom of his list. He also puts at most 1 teammate in the same category.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #2051 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:51:20 pm »

Quote from: iancudorinmarian on May 28, 2020, 10:01:48 am

Albeit late, here's my updated readlist.

vv
serprex - you know why

v
rob - Still my strongest town read. Make of that what you wish.

n+
TorB - I can see where kae is coming from, but it feels way too conspiracy theory to me. TorB is still a town-lean for me.
MW - Not sure what to think of him. He's asking for the reads of some very specific people. Town behaviour, I'd say.

n
shock - I don't even read his posts. I'm too low IQ to understand, so I just ignore.
Calin - I haven't seen anything unusual from him yet.
Sub - I don't know. I don't like reading walls of texts, so I kinda ignore those. People with more patience can feel free to analyze them better.
kdz, DC, Ge0 - No clue whatsoever.

n-
Linkcat - U N L Y N C H A B L E
andre - Still one of the people I suspect. To be honest, I don't like how easy it was to forget about him entirely.

w
Annele - I really don't like how hard she was to lynch D1.
kae - As said, his theories feel way too conspiracy-oriented.

ww

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