Post by: Linkcat on May 12, 2020, 12:49:14 am
Elements Mafia
Started by Mastermind79, Continued by killsdazombies, Implosion, ddevans96, icecoldbro, Demagog, Purity_Riot, Dragoon1140, killsdazombies, 1world24, RavingRabbid, majofa, TStar, killsdazombies, mesaprotector, Regen2k9, Kuroaitou, whatifidogetcaught?, UnderneathTheLens, RootRanger, killsdazombies, Elbirn, ji412jo, dawn to dusk, eljoemo, Zawadx, killsdazombies, theelkspeaks, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Dm, Espithel, killsdazombies, skyironsword, Submachine, Coffeeditto, mathman101, Naesala, Ginyu, Linkcat, Solaris, Ryli, killsdazombies, Naii_the_Baf, and PlayerOa.
All of the players in the game are collectively referred to as the Town. The Town is split into two factions. There is a minority faction, the mafia (False Gods), and a majority faction, the innocents (Elementals). The False Gods start the game with the knowledge of who the other members are, and their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. The Elementals start the game not knowing who is a False God and who is a fellow Elemental, and their goal is to kill all of the False Gods.
The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the False Gods choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the False Gods are dead, or the number of False Gods is equal to or greater than the number of Elementals at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.
How to determine who is mafia and who is innocent is entirely up to the players. As a False God your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto Elementals without giving yourself away. As an Elemental your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the False Gods are and lynch them. An inactive town will easily fall prey to the mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.
The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the False Gods choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the False Gods are dead, or the number of False Gods is equal to or greater than the number of Elementals at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.
How to determine who is mafia and who is innocent is entirely up to the players. As a False God your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto Elementals without giving yourself away. As an Elemental your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the False Gods are and lynch them. An inactive town will easily fall prey to the mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.
Village - Town
Villager - Innocent
Civ - Innocent
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Rand/Roll - Having a role assigned to you
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - To use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - To say that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed innocents
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like an innocent
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is innocent
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - To throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
Breadpost - Shitpost
EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
OMGUS - Oh My God, U Suck - Voting on the person who voted on you
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one
Villager - Innocent
Civ - Innocent
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Rand/Roll - Having a role assigned to you
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - To use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - To say that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed innocents
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like an innocent
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is innocent
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - To throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
Breadpost - Shitpost
EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
OMGUS - Oh My God, U Suck - Voting on the person who voted on you
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one
General Mafia Rules
1. Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players.
2. You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you must post again with the correct fixes.
3. Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO.
4. You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
5. You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase.
6. All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed.
7. The host has the final say in any dispute. Do not impersonate the host.
8. Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.
9. Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game.
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.
*Any use of the word PM by the host or FGO refers to any method of communication outside of the game thread and the blab chat.
Breaking any of the above rules may result in a modkill as determined by the host, or a ban from future mafias or forum games in general as determined by the Forum Game Organizer.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 12, 2020, 05:51:44 am
Elements Mafia Reunion
Phase Links
Night 0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296852/#msg1296852)
Day 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296975/#msg1296975)
Night 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297657/#msg1297657)
Day 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297831/#msg1297831)
Night 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298273/#msg1298273)
Day 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298420/#msg1298420)
Night 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298764/#msg1298764)
Day 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298847/#msg1298847)
Night 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298984/#msg1298984)
Day 5 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1299065/#msg1299065)
Night 5 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1299118/#msg1299118)
Day 6 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1299152/#msg1299152)
Night 6 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1299221/#msg1299221)
Day 7 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1299277/#msg1299277)
End of Mafia 73 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1299335/#msg1299335)
5. kaempfer13 Elemental - Crusader
9. Submachine False God - Dragonfly
Game Rules
1. The game will start on Night 0, which will be followed by Day 1. You may post during the Night.
2. The Nightkill is factional and cannot be tracked or roleblocked, but still counts as an ability that targets.
3. If the lynch is tied, No Lynch will occur.
4. You are allowed to vote for No Lynch. You are also allowed to vote for a 1 hour or 24 hour extension. The votes are counted in a separate tally and you may only do one extension per phase.
5. Clearly declaring your intent to vote without using the proper format is a valid way to vote.
6. Town wins if all the Mafia are dead. Mafia wins if they achieve parity at the beginning of a Day.
7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 5 minutes have passed since the last vote, or if 30 minutes have passed after the deadline. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling.
8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, or for any 2 Day phases, you will be modkilled.
9. NO COMMUNICATION IS ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD, EXCEPT FOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE MAFIA OR DEJA VU You may communicate in the official Elements blab chat, but all relevant messages MUST be posted in this thread immediately afterward. Not following this rule will result in the chat being restricted.
10. I reserve the right to make any changes to the ruleset in order to maintain the integrity and balance of the game.
Primary Roles
False Gods
The False Gods start the game as a team. Their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. Each Night, they perform a Nightkill on an Elemental of their choosing. The Nightkill interrupts lower priority targets.
Elementals
The Elementals are the townsfolk of the game. Their goal is to kill all of the False Gods through lynching and the use of abilities.
Secondary Roles
All Secondary abilities are activated by PMing your action to the host during the Night Phase. You may not target yourself with any ability unless specified. If an EoR ability fails, you may use it again on the next Night. If an OU ability fails, you may use it again.
Key:
ER - Every Round.
EoR - Every Other Round.
OU - One Use.
Passive - Triggers Automatically.
Information Roles
Golden Nymph - EoR
Precognition - Target a player. Reveal their Primary role to you. You cannot be protected from the Nightkill. Exactly one Elemental and zero False Gods will start with this role.
Psion - ER
Psionic Link - Target a player. Their secondary abilities are revealed to you.
Dragonfly - ER
Fly on the Wall - Target a player. You see who they targeted and who targeted them this Night, regardless of priority.
Deja Vu - Passive
Deja Vu - You may communicate with your fellow Deja Vu by PM at any time, even if your ability is blocked. If Deja Vu is rolled by a player, there will be exactly one other player with the same role. They will both be Elementals. If any player gains the Deja Vu role, or loses it due to Hatch or Obsession, all surviving Deja Vu will receive a PM from the host to confirm this.
Firefly Queen - ER
Queen - Generate a firefly that follows target player. The fireflies will report back to you each Night with all abilities that they saw activated, but the cute little guys aren't smart enough to tell you whether an ability was used by your target or on your target. Fireflies are unaffected by all abilities that prevent targeting. If a firefly doesn't witness any abilities, it will wander near your target and be caught. The target will be notified if they catch a firefly. Fireflies cannot report higher priority activity and will act as not seeing an ability if that's the only thing they would see.
Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. They can not be targeted by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities blocked.
Offensive Roles
If two roleblocking roles with the same priority target each other, both abilities fail. If only one targets the other, the ability of the one that was targeted fails.
Toadfish - OU
Inflate - Target player is Poisoned.
Otyugh - OU
Devour - Target player dies and your role is revealed. If you eat a Toadfish or a player that was Poisoned, you become Poisoned.
Mind Flayer - ER
Psionic Wave - Target a player. They cannot use their ability this Night. Cannot disable Burrow.
Arctic Squid - EoR
Freeze - Target player is Frozen.
Ghost of the Past - ER
Obsession - Target a player. Only affects one player at a time. When you die, their secondary roles have their abilities replaced with Obsessed - ER - Activates automatically. You can't stop thinking about a dead man.
Defensive Roles
Guardian Angel - ER
Heal - Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and any further Offensive Roles that target them this Night. This ability fails if the target was Healed by a Guardian Angel on the previous Night.
Graboid - OU
Evolve - Become a Shrieker. You start the game Burrowed.
Shrieker - ER
Burrow/Unburrow - Switch between being Burrowed and unburrowed. You may not start the game with this role.
Seraph - EoR
Divine Shield - You cannot be targeted this Night.
Phoenix - OU
Ash - This role automatically activates during the phase you die. If this ability is successful, you can talk after your death.
Anubis - EoR
Immortality - Target any player including yourself. They become Immaterial.
Green Nymph - ER
Adrenaline - Target any player including yourself. They gain Adrenaline.
Amber Nymph - EoR
Unstoppable - Target any player including yourself. They gain Momentum.
Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. They can not be targeted by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities blocked.
Role Roles
These roles do not disappear when you use them. When you die these roles will be revealed along with any others.
Crusader - OU
Endow - Target a player. You gain their secondary ability. Passive abilities trigger immediately. Can be used again if the ability fails.
Vulture - OU
Scavenger - Gain target dead player's secondary role. Only Vultures can target dead players.
"Fun" Roles
Fate Egg - Passive
Hatch - Activates automatically at the start of each Night Phase. You receive a random secondary role other than Fate Egg, and you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. You can use your received role. The roles given by Fate Egg are replaced every time Hatch gives you a new role, but abilities given by Endow and Scavenger will stay.
Status Effects
You are notified when you gain a status effect, except for Poison which notifies you on the start of the Night that you would die. Status effects are permanent, unless it's mentioned otherwise.
Burrowed - You may not vote or be targeted by any ability. Burrowed players do not count towards parity. Voting while Burrowed without Adrenaline will result in a modkill.
Poisoned - You die at the end of the second Night Phase after you were poisoned.
Frozen - You may not vote or use any secondary ability. Wears off at the end of the Day Phase. Voting while Frozen will result in a modkill.
Adrenaline - You ignore the Frozen status, you may vote while Burrowed, and you die immediately when Poisoned. If you have an EoR ability other than Precognition, you may use it as if it was an [ER] ability.
Immaterial - You may not be targeted by any secondary ability. Wears off after death.
Momentum - The activations and effects of your abilities can not be prevented or redirected, unless the target is Burrowed. However, being Frozen or Guarded can still block your ability. Momentum does not help abilities that would normally fail (no consecutive Heals). Ignores Immaterial.
Role Priority
Hatch [Fate Egg]
Burrow/Unburrow [Graboid/Shrieker]
Psionic Wave [Mind Flayer]
Queen [Firefly Queen]
Divine Shield [Seraph]
Guard [Iridium Warden]
Freeze [Arctic Squid]
Unstoppable/Adrenaline [Amber Nymph/Green Nymph]
Immortality [Anubis]
Heal/Endow/Scavenger [Guardian Angel/Crusader/Vulture]
Obsession [Ghost of the Past]
Ash [Phoenix]
Nightkill
Inflate [Toadfish]
Devour [Otyugh]
Precognition/Psionic Link/Fly on the Wall/Deja Vu [Golden Nymph/Psion/Dragonfly/Deja Vu]
Signup List
1. iancudorinmarian
2. TheonlyrealBeef
3. worldwideweb3
4. Annele
5. kaempfer13
6. Calindu
7. Linkcat
8. moehrpi
9. Submachine
10. serprex
11. MasterWalks
12. andretimpa
13. rob77dp
14. shockcannon
15. killsdazombies
16. DoubleCapitals
17. Coffeeditto
18. Ge0metry v1.2
Signups have ended.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 12, 2020, 07:41:43 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 12, 2020, 07:59:04 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on May 12, 2020, 08:55:39 am
Hopefully it’s not too time consuming
Post by: Annele on May 12, 2020, 09:02:14 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 12, 2020, 09:15:14 am
Post by: Calindu on May 12, 2020, 10:04:57 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 12, 2020, 11:19:53 am
Taking player feedback into account, the main changes from last time are Warden not blocking the ability of the target, buff to Green Nymph, new Deja Vu Mason role, the option to vote for extending the phase, and stricter inactivity modkills.
Post by: moehrpi on May 12, 2020, 11:28:10 am
Post by: Submachine on May 12, 2020, 01:01:35 pm
Link! I know you will read this. It is kinda late, but congrats on Master of Games!
Post by: serprex on May 12, 2020, 01:47:31 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 12, 2020, 06:07:29 pm
Post by: andretimpa on May 12, 2020, 07:10:51 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 12, 2020, 07:46:07 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 12, 2020, 08:07:24 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 13, 2020, 12:31:15 pm
Game rule #9 eh? I'm in. 8-)
It has been for a while though hasn't it?
Post by: killsdazombies on May 16, 2020, 05:31:55 am
In
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 16, 2020, 07:32:28 am
Nobody can, actually.
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 17, 2020, 02:55:32 am
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 19, 2020, 08:20:16 am
Count me in for this game of Mafia :)
Post by: Submachine on May 19, 2020, 07:31:11 pm
I think we have enough players, so please don't extend the timer.
Post by: rob77dp on May 19, 2020, 08:15:30 pm
A bit under one day left to join.~Sub (1) - rob77dp
I think we have enough players, so please don't extend the timer.
Edit not by way of post because. ��
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 19, 2020, 08:56:03 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 20, 2020, 07:27:17 am
...or do extend, ain't matter.A bit under one day left to join.~Sub (1) - rob77dp
I think we have enough players, so please don't extend the timer.
Edit not by way of post because. ��
I am just a dinosaur, you don't have to listen to me. :silly:
Post by: PlayerOa on May 20, 2020, 07:00:32 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 20, 2020, 07:53:45 pm
Night 0
Men will fight. It is finally night.
There are 4 False Gods and 14 Elementals. You should all have received a PM with your roles, let me know if you haven't got one yet. Phases will be 48 hours long, and end at GMT 1900 unless otherwise stated. I reserve the right to extend phases if I'm not available to end the phase at time, but I'll post here if that becomes the case.
Best of luck to everybody!
Night 0 has ended.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 20, 2020, 07:56:28 pm
Feels wrong to me...
Post by: worldwideweb3 on May 20, 2020, 08:02:55 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 20, 2020, 08:05:38 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 20, 2020, 08:08:47 pm
Post by: serprex on May 20, 2020, 08:13:47 pm
As per tradition, chat roll says the 4 mafia are: Annele, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, seprex
Feels wrong to me...
I say we lynch this seprex character right away, they aren't even one of the listed players
seprex (1) - serprex
Post by: Submachine on May 20, 2020, 08:16:26 pm
(Don’t worry Oa, I will, eventually.)
Post by: Calindu on May 20, 2020, 08:16:49 pm
As per tradition, chat roll says the 4 mafia are: Annele, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, seprex
Feels wrong to me...
Your chat rolls always finds me :(
Post by: killsdazombies on May 20, 2020, 08:20:06 pm
Am I mafia? I don’t know. How long do you think I can resist checking my role? :DI like that, I regret checking mine now
(Don’t worry Oa, I will, eventually.)
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 20, 2020, 08:22:42 pm
The inbox count is a spoiler. 1 is Town, 2 is Mafia, don't cha know?Am I mafia? I don’t know. How long do you think I can resist checking my role? :DI like that, I regret checking mine now
(Don’t worry Oa, I will, eventually.)
Also, congrats, I'm not a Golden Nymph so, I won't be fucking Town's game anytime unlike the last time
Post by: rob77dp on May 20, 2020, 08:31:45 pm
I see only one way someone could know just how many inbox items a False God would receive...The inbox count is a spoiler. 1 is Town, 2 is Mafia, don't cha know?Am I mafia? I don’t know. How long do you think I can resist checking my role? :DI like that, I regret checking mine now
(Don’t worry Oa, I will, eventually.)
Also, congrats, I'm not a Golden Nymph so, I won't be fucking Town's game anytime unlike the last time
Post by: rob77dp on May 20, 2020, 08:32:47 pm
Actually, only Oa knows for sure. 8-)
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 20, 2020, 08:36:39 pm
/me whistles
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 20, 2020, 08:37:56 pm
the 2nd inbox as mafia is usually a PM containing a link to a mafia titanpad or similar. Is titanpad still around? idk man
Post by: Linkcat on May 20, 2020, 09:15:56 pm
I've tried not checking my role before. It's a ton of fun but not a good idea in practice. Read Mafia 69 to find out why. It's short for a reason.
Post by: Annele on May 20, 2020, 11:27:49 pm
As per tradition, chat roll says the 4 mafia are: Annele, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, seprex
Feels wrong to me...
I feel like that was the mafia list the last time I played, so checks out
Post by: shockcannon on May 21, 2020, 02:47:46 am
Yet, this may not be enough to convince some of you thicker skulled common folk.
So I propose a game where I share a little bit about myself to gain trust.
Fact #1: Anyone who lacked the will power to dodge my bait and gave in to their lustful desire by clicking the spoiler will now know the truth. You are, in my eyes, a complete noob who lacks the patience, will power, and determination to ever achieve anything even remotely significant, let alone beating me in a game of mafia. And what I believe, is almost always correct. Which means, unfortunately, that you are doomed to lose this game if you are not on my side. Luckily, for those noobs that did click on this and happen to be a cursed common folk such as myself (temporarily in this game), then you are not doomed to die today. Cherish this moment, for you have been given a second chance. I will not offer a third. That is all.
Post by: serprex on May 21, 2020, 03:07:20 am
shock: so... are you mafia?
serp: no
shock: no. so we're on the same team
serp: no, you're mafia
shock: guess there's only one way to find out
serp: just have to lynch
shock: so I'll have to go against you today
serp: aa no, go against me tomorrow
shock: huh, okay
disconnected
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2020, 06:05:13 am
Post by: Submachine on May 21, 2020, 06:38:33 am
If the info everyone has shared so far is truthful, then I'm pretty sure at least 4 players know I'm not the mafia.Well of course, because if you are truthful about "being town", then the 4 players who know you are not mafia is the mafia itself. :silly:
I don't think that helps you in any way, but I take it as a soft claim that you are not the Ally Mally (weird name for Deja Vu).
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 21, 2020, 07:45:32 am
But shockcannon is also a player, I'd think one would also know of themselves whether they were mafia. Of course, he cannot be included into the count if he's already one of the mafia. ;)If the info everyone has shared so far is truthful, then I'm pretty sure at least 4 players know I'm not the mafia.Well of course, because if you are truthful about "being town", then the 4 players who know you are not mafia is the mafia itself. :silly:
I don't think that helps you in any way, but I take it as a soft claim that you are not the Ally Mally (weird name for Deja Vu).
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 21, 2020, 02:06:07 pm
My inbox had 2 PMs in it and I'm not mafia.
I've tried not checking my role before. It's a ton of fun but not a good idea in practice. Read Mafia 69 to find out why. It's short for a reason.
Ah, I didn't read all the roles.
Silly me.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 21, 2020, 02:06:58 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 02:15:35 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 02:43:00 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 21, 2020, 03:02:51 pm
Well I may sink Town's game by accident, but I'm still not that big of a dumbdumb...
Post by: MasterWalks on May 21, 2020, 06:39:38 pm
1) Serprex
2) Shock
3) DoubleCaps
4) JCJ
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 07:16:39 pm
shock is such a magnet for attention in his personality that it seems a tough break for the team if he is mafia... But also bad for us as a ripe mislynch target if he's town. (If you're town please find ways to do town things ok? Alright, good talk)
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 07:18:08 pm
Mafia Listbut what is your read on each? Just picking four names? Do you have reasons? (JCJ I don't think has posted after joining\in??)
1) Serprex
2) Shock
3) DoubleCaps
4) JCJ
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2020, 07:39:19 pm
Inb4 shock is in every scumread list.
shock is such a magnet for attention in his personality that it seems a tough break for the team if he is mafia... But also bad for us as a ripe mislynch target if he's town. (If you're town please find ways to do town things ok? Alright, good talk)
Easy solution, just lynch him day 1.
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 07:47:20 pm
(Don't you go taking some kind of "informational Lynch" angle either...)
Post by: Submachine on May 21, 2020, 07:58:35 pm
(If you're town please find ways to do town things ok? Alright, good talk)Minor bounce here. I tried something similar last game, but inactive town needs a leader. Active town will find a way.~
@PlayerOa: It is not in the rules, but can I pick my target here for my ability? Heck, it might fail if I'm a Seraph or something, but at least I'm doing stuff. :)
Post by: PlayerOa on May 21, 2020, 08:06:53 pm
(If you're town please find ways to do town things ok? Alright, good talk)Minor bounce here. I tried something similar last game, but inactive town needs a leader. Active town will find a way.~
@PlayerOa: It is not in the rules, but can I pick my target here for my ability? Heck, it might fail if I'm a Seraph or something, but at least I'm doing stuff. :)
No, I will need to receive a PM to make any ability uses legal. You are, however, of course free to post it here as well. You can always PM me via my profile if you don't want to go via your inbox.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on May 21, 2020, 08:19:09 pm
(If you're town please find ways to do town things ok? Alright, good talk)Minor bounce here. I tried something similar last game, but inactive town needs a leader. Active town will find a way.~
@PlayerOa: It is not in the rules, but can I pick my target here for my ability? Heck, it might fail if I'm a Seraph or something, but at least I'm doing stuff. :)
Are u implying using your ability without knowing what it is?
Post by: MasterWalks on May 21, 2020, 08:20:09 pm
Mafia Listbut what is your read on each? Just picking four names? Do you have reasons? (JCJ I don't think has posted after joining\in??)
1) Serprex
2) Shock
3) DoubleCaps
4) JCJ
Imagine, serp and shock being on mafia together. How would they act? They would totally try to work together and it looks like they are.
Doublecaps is just sketchy. He could easily come off the list.
JCJ is more or less a place holder. I just put him on there because hes usually lynched really early.
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 08:26:53 pm
:'( \me squinting real hard at thisMafia Listbut what is your read on each? Just picking four names? Do you have reasons? (JCJ I don't think has posted after joining\in??)
1) Serprex
2) Shock
3) DoubleCaps
4) JCJ
Imagine, serp and shock being on mafia together. How would they act? They would totally try to work together and it looks like they are.
Doublecaps is just sketchy. He could easily come off the list.
JCJ is more or less a place holder. I just put him on there because hes usually lynched really early.
Say wot mate? Can anyone fact check for me because I've been gone a short bit... May have missed some things. But jcj was always a good town in my days usually ending up a nk when he's town (iirc).
Let me know a few more tidbits you might have behind your serp\shock take because right now that's the freshest thing in this game to me.
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 08:30:12 pm
What's a bounce? (I'm simply giving some input to shock that if he's town... Well, be town and yet to solve and ease up the bravado and blustering.)
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2020, 08:31:19 pm
I'm reading his typical shock being shock as null toward alignment. Are you finding it scummy? Seems like anyone familiar with him at all would not see anything much yet.
(Don't you go taking some kind of "informational Lynch" angle either...)
Rob, my friend, is it possible you are insinuating that pushes in the vein of Infolynch are somehow a bad idea? I'll have you know that Infolynch was recently ranked #8 on a top ten lynch list on Mafia Universe, right below two other amazing lynches that we know and love. I'm sure that if I lynched shock on Day 1, it would find it's way on a similar list if one was ever made for this community, and shame on you for suggesting that it could ever have a chance of going wrong.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/25711-23-The-Ten-Worst-Mislynches-in-Champs-History-and-How-to-Avoid-Them-%28by-GeneralHankerchief%29
Post by: shockcannon on May 21, 2020, 08:34:43 pm
There's a high probability kaempfer13 is involved with my plans for tonight. What does that mean? I won't say. Just a teaser. Enjoy!!! :P
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2020, 08:39:30 pm
:'( \me squinting real hard at thisMafia Listbut what is your read on each? Just picking four names? Do you have reasons? (JCJ I don't think has posted after joining\in??)
1) Serprex
2) Shock
3) DoubleCaps
4) JCJ
Imagine, serp and shock being on mafia together. How would they act? They would totally try to work together and it looks like they are.
Doublecaps is just sketchy. He could easily come off the list.
JCJ is more or less a place holder. I just put him on there because hes usually lynched really early.
Say wot mate? Can anyone fact check for me because I've been gone a short bit... May have missed some things. But jcj was always a good town in my days usually ending up a nk when he's town (iirc).
Let me know a few more tidbits you might have behind your serp\shock take because right now that's the freshest thing in this game to me.
I'm going to give MW the benefit of the doubt here, and say that what he means is he threw in JCJ to fill the last spot because he expects him to die anyway, and that he just mixed up NKs with lynching. Also there's no reason for JCJ to die early, the universe just hates him.
Of course, this is all putting aside the fact that JCJ DIDN'T EVEN SIGN UP FOR THIS DANG MAFIA, and someone is trying to kill him, again. (The first time being me)
Post by: Submachine on May 21, 2020, 08:47:33 pm
Are u implying using your ability without knowing what it is?Yuuup! xD And if I am an Otyugh, it will be hilarious.
(I just want to avoid not using my role in case I am actually the Golden Nymph.)
Sub-Bouncing ideas off each other. You were not getting as many responses as the ideas you put out, so I chimed in.
What's a bounce? (I'm simply giving some input to shock that if he's town... Well, be town and yet to solve and ease up the bravado and blustering.)
On a different note, I am looking forward to the day shock reveals his mafia playstyle.~
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 08:49:25 pm
OT- this MU thread l\article just made my holiday weekend just by a quick scroll through. Will devour it's entirety next few days. \OTI'm reading his typical shock being shock as null toward alignment. Are you finding it scummy? Seems like anyone familiar with him at all would not see anything much yet.
(Don't you go taking some kind of "informational Lynch" angle either...)
Rob, my friend, is it possible you are insinuating that pushes in the vein of Infolynch are somehow a bad idea? I'll have you know that Infolynch was recently ranked #8 on a top ten lynch list on Mafia Universe, right below two other amazing lynches that we know and love. I'm sure that if I lynched shock on Day 1, it would find it's way on a similar list if one was ever made for this community, and shame on you for suggesting that it could ever have a chance of going wrong.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/25711-23-The-Ten-Worst-Mislynches-in-Champs-History-and-How-to-Avoid-Them-%28by-GeneralHankerchief%29
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2020, 08:53:24 pm
No.Are u implying using your ability without knowing what it is?Yuuup! xD And if I am an Otyugh, it will be hilarious.
(I just want to avoid not using my role in case I am actually the Golden Nymph.)
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2020, 08:55:10 pm
On a different note, I am looking forward to the day shock reveals his mafia playstyle.~
Shock's playstyle is to play like shock. There is nothing more to it. If you try to dig deeper than this, you will only descend into madness. Madness and mislynches.
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 08:56:46 pm
People trying to generate reads before the first night has happened is quite amusing to me. However, you all seem desperately hungry for your mind games and unfortunately, I am one to fuel the flame, even if the flame is on my own body.Town should ALWAYS be trying to advance and encourage alignment reads though...
There's a high probability kaempfer13 is involved with my plans for tonight. What does that mean? I won't say. Just a teaser. Enjoy!!! :P
\teaser-enjoyed
We meet our ends much too soon there.I'm reading his typical shock being shock as null toward alignment. Are you finding it scummy? Seems like anyone familiar with him at all would not see anything much yet.
(Don't you go taking some kind of "informational Lynch" angle either...)
Rob, my friend, is it possible you are insinuating that pushes in the vein of Infolynch are somehow a bad idea? I'll have you know that Infolynch was recently ranked #8 on a top ten lynch list on Mafia Universe, right below two other amazing lynches that we know and love. I'm sure that if I lynched shock on Day 1, it would find it's way on a similar list if one was ever made for this community, and shame on you for suggesting that it could ever have a chance of going wrong.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/25711-23-The-Ten-Worst-Mislynches-in-Champs-History-and-How-to-Avoid-Them-%28by-GeneralHankerchief%29
Infolynch so bad. So I will oppose it. This is not the same as "information that can be gleaned from a lunch" -rather I oppose the idea of a lynch target for no reason other than "well it gets us info _shrug_". Cheers! :)
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2020, 08:58:49 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2020, 09:02:23 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on May 21, 2020, 11:44:47 pm
Are u implying using your ability without knowing what it is?Yuuup! xD And if I am an Otyugh, it will be hilarious.
(I just want to avoid not using my role in case I am actually the Golden Nymph.)Sub-Bouncing ideas off each other. You were not getting as many responses as the ideas you put out, so I chimed in.
What's a bounce? (I'm simply giving some input to shock that if he's town... Well, be town and yet to solve and ease up the bravado and blustering.)
On a different note, I am looking forward to the day shock reveals his mafia playstyle.~
I hope you targeting without knowing your role is a joke. If not, we’ve found day 1 lynch n lunch guys.
Post by: serprex on May 22, 2020, 12:07:23 am
Also imagine being so afraid of possibly losing to noobcannon that you have to lynch him day 1
Post by: andretimpa on May 22, 2020, 01:34:54 am
Are u implying using your ability without knowing what it is?Yuuup! xD And if I am an Otyugh, it will be hilarious.
lolwut
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 22, 2020, 02:22:02 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 22, 2020, 02:26:01 am
Or I die early, no biggie.
At least in the former my voice is heard, neh heh heh.
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2020, 07:03:58 am
I hope you targeting without knowing your role is a joke. If not, we’ve found day 1 lynch n lunch guys.Ah, but this is how mislynches start. I know what happened in Mafia 69 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), so I pick up my slack and actually read my role.
*after a role reading later*
I'll return to create some plans later today. The next 8 hours usually have low activity anyway.~
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 22, 2020, 07:16:15 am
Also, whoever is Anubis, please don't just immaterial anyone that asks for it.
And lastly, I don't want to see O R C H E S T R A T E D lynches. Give your own reasons before blindly jumping on the wagon.
Post by: Calindu on May 22, 2020, 09:28:09 am
I'm reading his typical shock being shock as null toward alignment. Are you finding it scummy? Seems like anyone familiar with him at all would not see anything much yet.
(Don't you go taking some kind of "informational Lynch" angle either...)
Rob, my friend, is it possible you are insinuating that pushes in the vein of Infolynch are somehow a bad idea? I'll have you know that Infolynch was recently ranked #8 on a top ten lynch list on Mafia Universe, right below two other amazing lynches that we know and love. I'm sure that if I lynched shock on Day 1, it would find it's way on a similar list if one was ever made for this community, and shame on you for suggesting that it could ever have a chance of going wrong.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/25711-23-The-Ten-Worst-Mislynches-in-Champs-History-and-How-to-Avoid-Them-%28by-GeneralHankerchief%29
That was a nice read, pretty funny how two of our players got lynched in such bad circumstances there.
Also, whoever is Anubis, please don't just immaterial anyone that asks for it.
Actually, don't immaterial anyone(not even yourself) unless they are confirmed. I hope everyone agrees using it is scummy as hell since it's just bad for the town.
Post by: moehrpi on May 22, 2020, 10:48:56 am
What www3 said
Also imagine being so afraid of possibly losing to noobcannon that you have to lynch him day 1
You still lose to dead people.
Rule questions:
Could you endow multiple times with Fate Egg and amass abilities?
While frozen / borrowed, can you place votes but remove them at the end of the day and not be modkilled?
I don't have anything substantial to add so here is the post count after game start:
rob 13
link 8 dc 8
sub 5
www 3 serp 3
cal 2 shock 2 mw 2 ian 2 kdz 2
andre 1 nelly 1 torb 1 moe 1
kae 0 coffee 0 ge0 0
Post by: PlayerOa on May 22, 2020, 11:07:24 am
What www3 said
Also imagine being so afraid of possibly losing to noobcannon that you have to lynch him day 1
You still lose to dead people.
Rule questions:
Could you endow multiple times with Fate Egg and amass abilities?
While frozen / borrowed, can you place votes but remove them at the end of the day and not be modkilled?
Yes, if you roll crusader in distinct rounds. No, editing/removing posts is illegal.
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2020, 11:13:34 am
Ikr. My mind was blown twice while reading that.Rob, my friend, is it possible you are insinuating that pushes in the vein of Infolynch are somehow a bad idea? I'll have you know that Infolynch was recently ranked #8 on a top ten lynch list on Mafia Universe, right below two other amazing lynches that we know and love. I'm sure that if I lynched shock on Day 1, it would find it's way on a similar list if one was ever made for this community, and shame on you for suggesting that it could ever have a chance of going wrong.That was a nice read, pretty funny how two of our players got lynched in such bad circumstances there.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/25711-23-The-Ten-Worst-Mislynches-in-Champs-History-and-How-to-Avoid-Them-%28by-GeneralHankerchief%29
It also gave me some new insight of how I can approach reading other people.
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 11:17:10 am
I'm reading his typical shock being shock as null toward alignment. Are you finding it scummy? Seems like anyone familiar with him at all would not see anything much yet.
(Don't you go taking some kind of "informational Lynch" angle either...)
Rob, my friend, is it possible you are insinuating that pushes in the vein of Infolynch are somehow a bad idea? I'll have you know that Infolynch was recently ranked #8 on a top ten lynch list on Mafia Universe, right below two other amazing lynches that we know and love. I'm sure that if I lynched shock on Day 1, it would find it's way on a similar list if one was ever made for this community, and shame on you for suggesting that it could ever have a chance of going wrong.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/25711-23-The-Ten-Worst-Mislynches-in-Champs-History-and-How-to-Avoid-Them-%28by-GeneralHankerchief%29
That was a nice read, pretty funny how two of our players got lynched in such bad circumstances there.Also, whoever is Anubis, please don't just immaterial anyone that asks for it.
Actually, don't immaterial anyone(not even yourself) unless they are confirmed. I hope everyone agrees using it is scummy as hell since it's just bad for the town.
Right, I forgot about buffs. No need to give me Immaterial, but I'll happily take Momentum/Adrenaline from the Nymphs after they buff themselves, and also a Heal.
Post by: moehrpi on May 22, 2020, 11:18:48 am
While frozen / borrowed, can you place votes but remove them at the end of the day and not be modkilled?
Yes, if you roll crusader in distinct rounds. No, editing/removing posts is illegal.
I meant removing your vote at the end of the day.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 22, 2020, 11:21:15 am
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 22, 2020, 11:23:09 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 11:53:29 am
As mentioned in my signup post, i have less time, so i will skip the chit-chat and focus solely on solving. as such I'm no longer an ideal target for your antics, shock, I will read what you say (except spoiler warnings that tell me not to read said spoiler, lol), but I dont guarantee that i will post more than once per (real life) day, so it wont be easy to interact with me in realtime.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 12:00:03 pm
Not checking your role is strictly antitown. You could be deja-vu and already have a lock clear (obv do not claim if you do unless either of you is in imminent danger of getting lynched, as both deja vus would get nked asap) or some other pr that either should be targeting a scumread or a townread depending on what it is. not knowing your role yourself is never good if you're town.Am I mafia? I don’t know. How long do you think I can resist checking my role? :DI like that, I regret checking mine now
(Don’t worry Oa, I will, eventually.)
As such regretting checking your role points towards being scum/not understanding the game.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 22, 2020, 12:00:45 pm
As for the general consensus on role usage: I take it no one will mind free information role usage (with the exception of Warden?) and town will mind offensive role usage unless used to kill someone highly suspect, but what about the defensive roles?
All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
What about Burrow or Divine Shield? They protect from both the nightkill AND secondary abilities, but have similar drawbacks otherwise. I take it these are ok to protect yourself with?Also, whoever is Anubis, please don't just immaterial anyone that asks for it.
Actually, don't immaterial anyone(not even yourself) unless they are confirmed. I hope everyone agrees using it is scummy as hell since it's just bad for the town.
Anubis, Green/Amber Nymph seem ok to use on yourself or confirmed town, but also only confirmed town? I know people tend to be eager to use their ability, so I'd like to reach a consensus on ability usage to ensure maf does not feign innocence and town does not inflict unintended harm.
Guardian Angel seems safe to use at random.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 22, 2020, 12:04:56 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 22, 2020, 12:09:44 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 22, 2020, 12:25:33 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 12:35:43 pm
DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 12:40:40 pm
In Discord call a conversation was had
shock: so... are you mafia?
serp: no
shock: no. so we're on the same team
serp: no, you're mafia
shock: guess there's only one way to find out
serp: just have to lynch
shock: so I'll have to go against you today
serp: aa no, go against me tomorrow
shock: huh, okay
disconnected
shock, what made you assume serp was town here?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 12:41:25 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 12:53:39 pm
Post by: Annele on May 22, 2020, 01:34:54 pm
DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
Haha I also have no idea what DC said (which card is jailor here?) But in terms of role claiming immediately as town, idk if that's necessarily the worst idea. At least in my experience, mafia often want to start with a guaranteed kill. That said, I don't really see a benefit to claiming so soon (if town and claiming your actual role) and painting a great target on your back while the mafia have the least to go on. So as rob said - Why?
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 01:46:20 pm
DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
Pretty shit read, rob is perfectly capable of bantering with teammates like this.
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 01:53:42 pm
Are Golden Nymph and Deja Vu the only town only roles? The descriptions seem to imply there may be multiple Guardian Angels, maf Guardian Angels or even no Guardian Angels at all.
As for the general consensus on role usage: I take it no one will mind free information role usage (with the exception of Warden?) and town will mind offensive role usage unless used to kill someone highly suspect, but what about the defensive roles?All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)What about Burrow or Divine Shield? They protect from both the nightkill AND secondary abilities, but have similar drawbacks otherwise. I take it these are ok to protect yourself with?Also, whoever is Anubis, please don't just immaterial anyone that asks for it.
Actually, don't immaterial anyone(not even yourself) unless they are confirmed. I hope everyone agrees using it is scummy as hell since it's just bad for the town.
Anubis, Green/Amber Nymph seem ok to use on yourself or confirmed town, but also only confirmed town? I know people tend to be eager to use their ability, so I'd like to reach a consensus on ability usage to ensure maf does not feign innocence and town does not inflict unintended harm.
Guardian Angel seems safe to use at random.
Warden doesn't roleblock anymore so it's fine to use on whoever you want. Burrow and Divine Shield are up to the user. Flayer, Ghost, and Squid shouldn't be used until you have a decent scumread. (Not Night 0)
Post by: Calindu on May 22, 2020, 02:01:33 pm
What about Burrow or Divine Shield? They protect from both the nightkill AND secondary abilities, but have similar drawbacks otherwise. I take it these are ok to protect yourself with?
Anubis, Green/Amber Nymph seem ok to use on yourself or confirmed town, but also only confirmed town? I know people tend to be eager to use their ability, so I'd like to reach a consensus on ability usage to ensure maf does not feign innocence and town does not inflict unintended harm.
Guardian Angel seems safe to use at random.
I haven't thought about that tbh, I think it should be fine, it still has the same downsides as Anubis, but it has a big upside in evading NK. Buffs should be fine to use more liberally, they are not that destructive if they land on mafia, and there's a higher chance they land on town.
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2020, 02:26:58 pm
As a man of culture myself (jokes), I understood that DC's comment was purely a comedic reference and not a real roleclaim. (He referred to Town of Salem.) He even admitted this.Haha I also have no idea what DC said (which card is jailor here?) But in terms of role claiming immediately as town, idk if that's necessarily the worst idea. At least in my experience, mafia often want to start with a guaranteed kill. That said, I don't really see a benefit to claiming so soon (if town and claiming your actual role) and painting a great target on your back while the mafia have the least to go on. So as rob said - Why?DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
To me, DC's claim is non-indicative of his alignment.
Warden doesn't roleblock anymore so it's fine to use on whoever you want. Burrow and Divine Shield are up to the user. Flayer, Ghost, and Squid shouldn't be used until you have a decent scumread. (Not Night 0)Wait what? I need to check all roles again.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 22, 2020, 02:28:21 pm
DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
Haha I also have no idea what DC said (which card is jailor here?) But in terms of role claiming immediately as town, idk if that's necessarily the worst idea. At least in my experience, mafia often want to start with a guaranteed kill. That said, I don't really see a benefit to claiming so soon (if town and claiming your actual role) and painting a great target on your back while the mafia have the least to go on. So as rob said - Why?
None of them - I was just fucking around as with MW who scumread JCJ. Just like how JCJ isn't playing, Jailor doesn't exist here.
/me whistles
TL;DR to answer why: I jokingly claimed something that doesn't exist
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 22, 2020, 02:30:27 pm
But thanks for for the real reactions to a fabricated role, it's some info to work off from.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 22, 2020, 02:40:31 pm
Warden doesn't roleblock anymore so it's fine to use on whoever you want. Burrow and Divine Shield are up to the user.
I haven't thought about that tbh, I think it should be fine, it still has the same downsides as Anubis, but it has a big upside in evading NK.Would Warden then not fall under the same logic as Anubis? You are blocking all secondary abilities in both cases, even if Warden does it for only one turn, but with the added benefit of learning what roles you blocked. You can block Golden Nymph from investigating someone this way.
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2020, 02:44:05 pm
- Sometimes it might be better to not do anything, because then you catch fireflies sent your way. This way, a mafia Firefly Queen can be somewhat slowed (it is still a ridiculously overpowered role in the hands of Mafia, in my opinion, it needs counter-measures).
Mind Flayers and Graboids are exceptions, because they have higher priority than Firefly Queen.
_ Warden doesn't roleblock anymore
Ok, not entirely true. It still blocks everyone who targets the same person, including the occasional Golden Nymph. Personally, I still advise against using it.
_- I struggle to think of acceptable situations where Warden should be used. If used on unknown, it blocks investigation. If used on Town, it blocks healing and allows Nightkill. If used on conf Mafia, it blocks Otyugh.
I guess it COULD be used to protect someone from a publicly announced Otyugh attack. Or it COULD be used to confirm the existence of roles, by asking them to target the same person. But that's it.
More later, too many people are posting.
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 02:54:57 pm
I guess that's a compliment to my scum-bility?DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
Pretty shit read, rob is perfectly capable of bantering with teammates like this.
It feels like a rather loose reason to townread me, no? Hmm
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 02:58:57 pm
Warden doesn't roleblock anymore so it's fine to use on whoever you want. Burrow and Divine Shield are up to the user.I haven't thought about that tbh, I think it should be fine, it still has the same downsides as Anubis, but it has a big upside in evading NK.Would Warden then not fall under the same logic as Anubis? You are blocking all secondary abilities in both cases, even if Warden does it for only one turn, but with the added benefit of learning what roles you blocked. You can block Golden Nymph from investigating someone this way.
No. There's not that high a chance you block a town Psion or Dragonfly, and if you do, you're just trading one piece of information for another. You can avoid blocking Heal by just not targeting the obvious Heal/NK targets. The only role you really have to worry about blocking is GN, but there's only one of those and you have a much higher chance of stopping a mafia member's ability as long as you target a strong townread.
I guess that's a compliment to my scum-bility?DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
Pretty shit read, rob is perfectly capable of bantering with teammates like this.
It feels like a rather loose reason to townread me, no? Hmm
A non w/w read is not a townread.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 22, 2020, 03:04:37 pm
In that case, yeah, I agree it can be used for information.
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 03:06:32 pm
What is the prevailing thought on inactives? I tried to start up that discussion but it got no traction yet...
Post by: worldwideweb3 on May 22, 2020, 03:35:29 pm
Link- fair enough maybe not to you, but to me it is given my self perspective.
What is the prevailing thought on inactives? I tried to start up that discussion but it got no traction yet...
It’s N0, there is no inactives so soon. 10 pages on N0, when we have no information, imagine
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 03:40:11 pm
Disagree... You're meaning to argue the definition of inactive not to be able to blanket state there are no inactives on a N0. We have plenty of discussion happening about rule usage ideas so it seems pertinent to be interested in whether we expect all players are present and paying attention. No?
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 22, 2020, 04:02:32 pm
EM 72 doesn't seem to exist xD
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2020, 04:06:47 pm
It was not archived.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 22, 2020, 04:16:42 pm
I didn't even read the full warden text. It gives me PTSD from last mafia.
In that case, yeah, I agree it can be used for information.
Uh... where's "the last mafia"?
EM 72 doesn't seem to exist xD
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/You should probably look to mafia 71 for ian's reference, though. He did not get targeted by any ability ever in 72. That, or even further back.
It was not archived.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 22, 2020, 05:18:36 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 22, 2020, 06:26:17 pm
All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2020, 06:50:25 pm
Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust. :(
- Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
- Put up an RQS about how others behave when they are mafia, and ask them to provide examples. This is a good way to spot some dishonest players, or it brings attention to some stuff that puts pressure on Mafs.
- Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate, or people with more posts in general.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 22, 2020, 07:04:05 pm
Day 1
Time to play. It is day.
worldwideweb3 was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Golden Nymph.
Coffeeditto was devoured by rob77dp. He was an Elemental and a Seraph.
Day 1 has ended.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 22, 2020, 07:04:43 pm
Post by: serprex on May 22, 2020, 07:05:51 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 22, 2020, 07:07:10 pm
Not voting this day, though.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 22, 2020, 07:14:15 pm
Post by: serprex on May 22, 2020, 07:18:19 pm
Can we talk about how maf knew to hit W3? he only said like 2 things and none of it implied anything
I'd shoot worldwideqq on principle
Alternatively, typical www3 being a life story of why one must always pray to RNGesus before their bedtime snack
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 07:25:57 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 07:30:28 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 07:32:05 pm
Post by: serprex on May 22, 2020, 07:34:42 pm
What www3 said
Also imagine being so afraid of possibly losing to noobcannon that you have to lynch him day 1
You still lose to dead people.
Rule questions:
Could you endow multiple times with Fate Egg and amass abilities?
While frozen / borrowed, can you place votes but remove them at the end of the day and not be modkilled?
I don't have anything substantial to add so here is the post count after game start:
rob 13
link 8 dc 8
sub 5
www 3 serp 3
cal 2 shock 2 mw 2 ian 2 kdz 2
andre 1 nelly 1 torb 1 moe 1
kae 0 coffee 0 ge0 0
Funny, www3 wasn't inactive
Post by: serprex on May 22, 2020, 07:37:15 pm
Yeah, I'll change my vote eventually
Post by: MasterWalks on May 22, 2020, 07:37:53 pm
I clearly hinted at my pending action. I can almost guarantee inactivity becomes a magnet for scum to aim at it the inactive is town. If an inactive is scum then they can share by doing nothing. So I essentially vigged the lone inactive. Sadly they were town, but now we can actually work towards solving the game instead of debating a zero poster who was also, I might add, an inactivity modkill a year ago in their prior elements mafia participation. I DID NOT TAKE THE PLANNING OF MY ACTION LIGHTLY. Anyone want to discuss it further I'm game. Voting me ONLY because of that is inane (serp? Care to give your read of me and not just the makes hour?)
Coffee played a huge part in the last 2 (?) mafia games. Id say that is poor reasoning, and thats coming from someone who is all for calling out inactives and low posters. Besides, its only Night 0-Day 1 you cant be all that active.
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 07:42:55 pm
I guess i could have botched the ISO on coffee? I saw a year ago he past played\posted and he was three straight phases 0 post so received a modkill. ?? That's not a "huge part" in a mafia game in my book. Can someone not on their phone like I am check the coffee history? I still stand by action... Apology ONLY for him flipping town, not for being dead.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 07:44:18 pm
I guess that's a compliment to my scum-bility?DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
Pretty shit read, rob is perfectly capable of bantering with teammates like this.
It feels like a rather loose reason to townread me, no? Hmm
A non w/w read is not a townread.
[/quote]
Link, you seem pretty concerned and knowledgeable about rob's ability for theater. Can you link me to a game where he did that earlier?
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 07:45:21 pm
TOTALLY WORTH LOSING GN
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 07:46:08 pm
Oh coffee was target, silly me, got named mixed up since you were arguing with www3
Yeah, I'll change my vote eventually
Either serp is really laying on thick or he wasnt involved in the nightkill decision.
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 07:46:40 pm
I guess that's a compliment to my scum-bility?DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
Pretty shit read, rob is perfectly capable of bantering with teammates like this.
It feels like a rather loose reason to townread me, no? Hmm
A non w/w read is not a townread.
Link, you seem pretty concerned and knowledgeable about rob's ability for theater. Can you link me to a game where he did that earlier?
[/quote]
Not worth the time, that statement applies to anyone that's good.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on May 22, 2020, 07:51:01 pm
Day 1Time to play. It is day.
worldwideweb3 was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Golden Nymph.
Coffeeditto was devoured by rob77dp. He was an Elemental and a Seraph.Day 1 has ended.
q.q RNG >:(
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2020, 07:52:14 pm
I clearly hinted at my pending action. I can almost guarantee inactivity becomes a magnet for scum to aim at it the inactive is town. If an inactive is scum then they can share by doing nothing. So I essentially vigged the lone inactive. Sadly they were town, but now we can actually work towards solving the game instead of debating a zero poster who was also, I might add, an inactivity modkill a year ago in their prior elements mafia participation. I DID NOT TAKE THE PLANNING OF MY ACTION LIGHTLY. Anyone want to discuss it further I'm game. Voting me ONLY because of that is inane (serp? Care to give your read of me and not just the makes hour?)
Coffee played a huge part in the last 2 (?) mafia games. Id say that is poor reasoning, and thats coming from someone who is all for calling out inactives and low posters. Besides, its only Night 0-Day 1 you cant be all that active.
My memories vary greatly from yours, tbh
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 07:54:07 pm
All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
How to not have people think you're trying to lynch someone on a grudge.
Step 1: Give any kind of reasoning for your push.
Step 2: If your reasoning is solidly countered, withdraw your push.
Step 3: Don't use words like gaslighting incorrectly.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 07:54:40 pm
kaempfer town lean a bit on his early D1 stuff.
MW felt like fake reaction but I reread and actually his line about "how'd they know" feels genuine to me.
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 07:55:36 pm
Sh**, I almost forgot about deadline >_>
Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust. :(
- Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
- Put up an RQS about how others behave when they are mafia, and ask them to provide examples. This is a good way to spot some dishonest players, or it brings attention to some stuff that puts pressure on Mafs.
- Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate, or people with more posts in general.
Bad parts in yellow.
Post by: serprex on May 22, 2020, 08:01:31 pm
Post by: serprex on May 22, 2020, 08:03:21 pm
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on May 22, 2020, 08:04:22 pm
Quick takes-
kaempfer town lean a bit on his early D1 stuff.
MW felt like fake reaction but I reread and actually his line about "how'd they know" feels genuine to me.
Okay so thinking about it, i think i would feel the same way no matter who you ate.
I fact checked myself and i apprently forgot about a whole mafia, Coffee was active in Mafia 70 and was mod killed day 3 in 71. Looks like he didnt play 72.
Really, such an early use of an offensive role is sketchy, then your reasoning of coffee not being a high active player on NIGHT 0 is even worse.
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 08:05:13 pm
Serp why ian? And 3 vultures - what's the import?
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
Post by: MasterWalks on May 22, 2020, 08:05:35 pm
oh, I should change my vote
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Placeholder? or do you have reasoning?
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 08:11:01 pm
I ate a ZERO poster. Not low activity, not annoying bravado poster, not joke poster, not power poster, you get the point maybe... Also, I tend to be a high profile personality in elements mafia games (or I guess used to be...) so I never presume to survive a night when I have no defensive assurances... As fate would have it it seems I had nothing to worry about (is it a BIT egotistical to snipe N0 - maybe, but it was not a YOLO and was not sketchy). Not to me at least.
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 08:28:16 pm
If rob is town, his reasoning is that he was very likely to be an early NK target, so he better use his ability while he can, and there was a reasonable enough target, not realizing that such a move on this forum would draw him a lot of shade and waste time on Day 1 we could be better using to find the mafia. Lucky for him, mafia was actually intelligent and chose a great NK target, going for the group of players right below the juiciest targets.
If rob is mafia, his reasoning is that there is a certain point in the game where vigging a scumread is reasonable enough to not be that sus, and he was very likely to be investigated early on and not get to use his ability, which is a very strong one to have as mafia and not usually one you want to waste early. He would also have to believe that Coffee would actually become active, otherwise his ability would be wasted.
Analysis: Killing inactives with roles is a generally good practice, but rob super jumped the gun on it and its kind of a bad play as either alignment, but worse as town and I expect better play from rob. Slight scum read.
I clearly hinted at my pending action. I can almost guarantee inactivity becomes a magnet for scum to aim at it the inactive is town. If an inactive is scum then they can share by doing nothing. So I essentially vigged the lone inactive. Sadly they were town, but now we can actually work towards solving the game instead of debating a zero poster who was also, I might add, an inactivity modkill a year ago in their prior elements mafia participation. I DID NOT TAKE THE PLANNING OF MY ACTION LIGHTLY. Anyone want to discuss it further I'm game. Voting me ONLY because of that is inane (serp? Care to give your read of me and not just the makes hour?)
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 08:30:32 pm
Oh coffee was target, silly me, got named mixed up since you were arguing with www3
Yeah, I'll change my vote eventually
Either serp is really laying on thick or he wasnt involved in the nightkill decision.
Could be either, NAI
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 08:35:08 pm
How Sub would know we'd both be alive? TMI? I like that observation Link. Care to start a wagon as what develops? I do.
Serp why ian? And 3 vultures - what's the import?
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
No, it's straight up bad advice, which you should have recognized. Stop trying to buddy me.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 22, 2020, 08:43:29 pm
serp is probably voting for me because I forgot to do exquisite decks for war.
I don't scumread Sub personally, but that could obviously change. He seems like the usual silly Sub.
Not voting for now, waiting for more discussion to develop.
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 08:43:59 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 08:49:46 pm
I can buddy whoever I want, buddy (hint- I'm not buddying anyone). I think it reads like Sub could be trying to imitate his prior games where I've seen him do things like not read a role pm (seriously?) and make before-I-die town plans\please etc. But it seems either rushed (eh could be I suppose) or disingenuous that I currently read scummy enough to get a vote.
Like iancu said, it's just normal Sub stuff, and it was rushed, he literally said he almost forgot the deadline.
Post by: andretimpa on May 22, 2020, 08:55:49 pm
q.q RNG >:(
story of your life :(
I clearly hinted at my pending action. I can almost guarantee inactivity becomes a magnet for scum to aim at it the inactive is town. If an inactive is scum then they can share by doing nothing. So I essentially vigged the lone inactive. Sadly they were town, but now we can actually work towards solving the game instead of debating a zero poster who was also, I might add, an inactivity modkill a year ago in their prior elements mafia participation. I DID NOT TAKE THE PLANNING OF MY ACTION LIGHTLY. Anyone want to discuss it further I'm game. Voting me ONLY because of that is inane (serp? Care to give your read of me and not just the makes hour?)
Also, rob how is killing someone that early better than mislynching them later? We end up with one townie less anyway :(
Post by: rob77dp on May 22, 2020, 09:18:55 pm
andre - please know that inactives are distractions when mafia try to mislynch them or town argues over merits of lynching inactives during valuable day phases better spent elsewhere... Or inactive scum just typically get left alone.
Again, I regret coffee flipped town but I still believe in my decision process being fairly sound.
Post by: serprex on May 22, 2020, 09:24:07 pm
Quote
It's not like I had a decision between killing a town or not killing a town on my hands...
?? you had a decision between killing & not killing
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2020, 10:23:07 pm
I prepared a whole train of thought, collected a bunch of quotes, but then I realized the answer to my question is simple, so all that was for nothing.
Coffee did not use Divine Shield to protect himself, because he has not been online since signups. That is also why he hasn't posted.
I agree with promoting activity and discouraging inactivity, yet I cannot stop feeling conflicted. :-\ I would have waited at least until the next night.
Do I think rob is Mafia? For two reasons, no.
- I performed a Night 1 shot as Town in Mafia 50. I can relate.
- This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.
I clearly hinted at my pending action.Just to save some page turning, I compiled what I found about the topic.
Anything at all going to come from Coffee? Coffee- do plan to just inactive three phases and be MK again? Like a bad lunch, inactive doesn't sit well with me. At least all others have "check-in posted" this phase.....
What is the prevailing thought on inactives? I tried to start up that discussion but it got no traction yet...
It’s N0, there is no inactives so soon. 10 pages on N0, when we have no information, imagine
www-
Disagree... You're meaning to argue the definition of inactive not to be able to blanket state there are no inactives on a N0. We have plenty of discussion happening about rule usage ideas so it seems pertinent to be interested in whether we expect all players are present and paying attention. No?
It is only appropriate that I don't ignore parts that relate to me.Sh**, I almost forgot about deadline >_>
Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust. :(
- Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
- Put up an RQS about how others behave when they are mafia, and ask them to provide examples. This is a good way to spot some dishonest players, or it brings attention to some stuff that puts pressure on Mafs.
- Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate, or people with more posts in general.
Bad parts in yellow.
Quote: "Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway."
To explain a little, I have memories of bad lynches that were based on outrage, and not on logic. I used invisi text, and they lynched me. *flips town* Link joked about being a cop while not being a cop, and they lynched him. *flips town* Shock tried valid strategies that involved lying to a few people, and they lynched him. *flips town*
This kind of mislynch was #10 on the MU list iirc, this is what I wanted to advise against. But I also wanted to imply that I only want to keep these people alive "longer", but not indefinitely. Hopefully, by the endgame, all town with lower activity is cleared out by either making them contribute more or by executing them.
Quote: "or people with more posts in general."
I would also link this back to a memory. Mafia 50: One of two people was 100% mafia, but I was unsure which one of them. Rutarete was silent all game, then came out on the last day to say that Ginyu is mafia. Ginyu, on the other hand, has been contributing all game. Thanks to my quick thinking, I realized the chance that Ruta might be Mafia and lying. Ginyu's only redeeming quality was that he's been helping to create ideas and spark conversations all game, and at that point, the person with more posts was, in fact, the good guy. And this seems true for other games as well, but this is the one memory that sticks out to me, because I was heavily involved in it.
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2020, 10:27:15 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2020, 10:48:58 pm
A question came to my mind: Why haven't Coffee used Divine Shield on the first night?
I prepared a whole train of thought, collected a bunch of quotes, but then I realized the answer to my question is simple, so all that was for nothing.
Coffee did not use Divine Shield to protect himself, because he has not been online since signups. That is also why he hasn't posted.
I agree with promoting activity and discouraging inactivity, yet I cannot stop feeling conflicted. :-\ I would have waited at least until the next night.
Do I think rob is Mafia? For two reasons, no.
- I performed a Night 1 shot as Town in Mafia 50. I can relate.
- This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.
1. To be fair, there was a mafia egging you on to make that kill. ;)
2. He absolutely would, see my reasoning earlier. He won't get lynched for it.
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 01:43:33 am
Need players to post more or have some sort of content to parse and try to read\analyze. Feels like plenty of straw grasping so far.
COULD REALLY USE MORE PLAYERS posting reads of my play so far... Other than www3 dying N0 as town cop it is there most eventful action so far...
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 01:59:52 am
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt town
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 03:23:23 am
Waking up at 4 am to say:
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt town
Sorry, but Sub does the same shit when he's mafia. You're not going to get a concrete read on him this early. Besides, you don't have the best record on bets that involve eating things.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 23, 2020, 04:01:57 am
...
Do I think rob is Mafia? For two reasons, no.
- This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.
...
Care to elaborate? Finding it a bit difficult to imagine that scum would not have the balls to be innovative, not necessarily here but trying something unconventional in the hopes of relying on prior expectations of this forum to get away with it.
However, personally I can buy rob's explanation and he does lean town because from my understanding, scum would at least save Otyugh to try to snipe something powerful/surprise people to reach parity rather than burn it without taking a almost-blind shot.
Also wow why do we even have a GN if they keep dying early xD
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 04:03:06 am
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
Reasoning given in a previous post.
See, it's that easy. Now, I'm going to go to sleep soon, and I want to see a lot more than 3 votes when I wake up. Then I'll decide who we're lynching.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 23, 2020, 04:15:44 am
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
throwing my vote here then until MW responds to him seemingly FoSing ian (the gaslight comment) for what I can tell was just N0 banter
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 23, 2020, 04:33:16 am
If a good player that does that seems too smart to do something so stupid, people end up misplaying in response. Like not lynching him. This can be taken advantage of by said player.
- This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.
Seriously, I can almost not believe rob would be that stupid, he has at least one town tunneling him right now, whereas his expected scenario would simply have modkilled Coffee. Instead, we now have one dead town and people focussing on rob. This only benefits mafia right now, unless rob is mafia and ends up dead.
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 04:49:19 am
I'm going to actually vote my scumread though.
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 23, 2020, 04:51:34 am
I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 04:52:44 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 04:54:17 am
logical fallacy? If you mean a play choice with a negative outcome in hindsight then ok (but that isn't a logical fallacy).I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 23, 2020, 05:01:14 am
No. People that come up with plans or explanations that do not add up as a benefit for town. For reasons I stated earlier, killing Coffee does not help town at all. The chances of someone inactive THAT early being mafia is not any higher than just shooting a random person. If you did not want town wasting time on him, why are we wasting time on you now? You just went ahead and killed someone only to shift the spotlight to yourself.logical fallacy? If you mean a play choice with a negative outcome in hindsight then ok (but that isn't a logical fallacy).I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 05:07:05 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 23, 2020, 05:09:36 am
Yeah, because that's exactly what scum do is that last statement: kill someone knowing it will be revealed they did it just to pull the spotlight into myself.No, which is where that other previous statement of mine comes in that you were criticizing to begin with:
If a good player that does that seems too smart to do something so stupid, people end up misplaying in response. Like not lynching him. This can be taken advantage of by said player.
- This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 05:15:36 am
Lol there's no way that is a real thought? From my position, that feels quite fabricated... Keeping my vote where it is. Let's say you could vote - would you be voting me right now
Post by: shockcannon on May 23, 2020, 05:18:51 am
I am quite certain kaempfer is town. However, it is very important to me that he does not know that I think this. DO NOT QUOTE THIS POST OR I WILL VOTE YOU UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD.
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 05:20:28 am
I am quite certain kaempfer is town. However, it is very important to me that he does not know that I think this. DO NOT QUOTE THIS POST OR I WILL VOTE YOU UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD.
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 23, 2020, 05:25:19 am
Sooo, you're saying that you think I might be a wolf because I made a play with a negative town outcome to draw spotlight on myself expecting people here to think I'm too smart too be that dumb as a wolf and thereby townread a wolf--rob for it?No, not a townread per se. Just being able to get away with it by people not sufficiently scumreading you for it. You don't need to get townread over it if you're mafia, just reducing town's numbers without concrete consequences is enough.
Lol there's no way that is a real thought? From my position, that feels quite fabricated... Keeping my vote where it is. Let's say you could vote - would you be voting me right now
Regardless of whether I can or cannot vote, I am choosing not to. I will not be silently agreeing that I simply cannot vote. But yes, most definitely.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 05:41:36 am
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
throwing my vote here then until MW responds to him seemingly FoSing ian (the gaslight comment) for what I can tell was just N0 banter
All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
lol i dont have scum read on ian, just giving banter back.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 05:43:33 am
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 06:06:39 am
Not voting is good while you agree with the tally. Gives a wide net for who could be graboid. Even if GN is off the table, there's still nice roles out there like Psion & FFQ. Let mafia have to risk missing on graboid if they want to go after the no-vote crowd
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 06:21:57 am
Serp, your logic is good, but in mafia it's far more valuable to have hard voting data with competing trains than to have some chance of mafia missing an ability.
Post by: Annele on May 23, 2020, 07:04:11 am
None of them - I was just fucking around as with MW who scumread JCJ. Just like how JCJ isn't playing, Jailor doesn't exist here.
/me whistles
TL;DR to answer why: I jokingly claimed something that doesn't exist
Ah, I see. rob's reaction made me think it might have been an actual claim lol
Coffeeditto was devoured by rob77dp. He was an Elemental and a Seraph.
I understand wanting to get a OU ability out of the way in case you're killed early and it's wasted but coffeeditto was one of the worst choices possible?? Just by balance of probability, since we know nothing about ditto except that he hadn't logged in for a couple of days, rob was far more likely to hit a town. If rob is town too, then wtf.
If rob is mafia though, it's a great excuse to point at 'iNaCtIvItY' (on night 0!) rather than have to defend some botched scumread on someone who's already posted quite a bit and we can judge for ourselves, or on someone who hasn't posted enough to scumread but can't be called inactive just yet. (lol me)
It's outrageous enough that he might just get away with it, and if things go sour go him then it's easy enough for other mafia to throw him under the bus since him devouring coffeeditto isn't connected to anyone else. He'd also be the least useful mafia now since he has no ability.
I agree with the tally as it currently is.
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 07:17:06 am
(Also playing almost entirely by phone posting is driving me nuts \OT-rant)
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 07:26:25 am
Annele, serp, torb are the strongest feel of that term (scumread vibes back on a scumread) right now. Their pushes don't feel genuine in meaning or tone to me. But I need to take some time to think through and not just feel it.
Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.
Post by: rob77dp on May 23, 2020, 07:32:43 am
I feel pretty good right now that one or more of torb Annele serp are scum... Man, need to sleep- wake up fresh hopefully to give more\deeper thought on those. And get some more distance and ideally internal clarity about how to think about how I expect town or scum to react to my n0 shot.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 23, 2020, 08:00:51 am
Let me summarize:
I clearly hinted at my pending action. I can almost guarantee inactivity becomes a magnet for scum to aim at it the inactive is town. If an inactive is scum then they can share by doing nothing. So I essentially vigged the lone inactive. Sadly they were town, but now we can actually work towards solving the game instead of debating a zero poster who was also, I might add, an inactivity modkill a year ago in their prior elements mafia participation.The conclusion of this story is that Coffee was likely genuinely inactive. If he were modkilled, everything would be fine. Given these facts, how is a completely random kill justified? To me, the most suspicious people had exactly one post. 0 likely just means total inactivity.
I DID NOT TAKE THE PLANNING OF MY ACTION LIGHTLY. Anyone want to discuss it further I'm game. Voting me ONLY because of that is inane (serp? Care to give your read of me and not just the makes hour?)If you did not take it lightly, show your conviction. If you want to discuss it, start by what I just mentioned. You say you want to discuss it then attack me for wanting to discuss it. I did not even vote on you yet.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 23, 2020, 08:06:36 am
Alright guys, this is getting boring. Geo, kdz, calin, shock, Annele, moe, you guys all have less than 5 posts. You're hurting town. I'm going to need all of you to vote on your strongest scumread and give reasoning. And no, saying you don't have any reads yet is not helpful. Look deeper.
Sorry, work is keeping me busier than I would like but rest assured I am keeping an eye on the thread. I would have liked to ease myself into the game a bit slower as I have not played mafia in half a decade and I can't read people based on personalities. I will try my best to contribute as much as I can nevertheless. Apologies in advance if I sound a bit like an echo chamber.
On a shallow level of analysis, I agree with the current tally. I don't have anything to say that hasn't been said already regarding Rob's N0 actions and how it paint's him in negative light. That being said I can't help but think that there's no way Rob would draw so much attention to him right off the bat if he was scum. Or maybe Rob is thinking on one level deeper, intentionally making a mistake he knows we wouldn't think he'd make.
Having read through all the posts a couple of times I can't seem to find any other conclusions. It's hard to make reads when posts that are suspicious to me, just get dismissed as banter or so-and-so being silly. If you're asking for my strongest scumread, it's Rob - but I'm not at all confident on it.
Post by: Annele on May 23, 2020, 08:37:39 am
Also I forget what it's called but the syndrome of scumreading someone who scumreads me is a strong feeling right now. Like I don't even understand how a town player - if they're even here - can scumread my shot on the way being discussed. Link feels like probably just being Link so far could go either way on you right now. Scum link will be happy to let others pressure me if he doesn't have to do heavy lifting on me and town Link is wise enough to not slot me either way yet.
Annele, serp, torb are the strongest feel of that term (scumread vibes back on a scumread) right now. Their pushes don't feel genuine in meaning or tone to me. But I need to take some time to think through and not just feel it.
Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.
Ah, I forgot about fate egg. I was trying to rationalise why either town or mafia would use oty's ability immediately but I see now there are more possibilities. I'm less convinced, but I still think it's something the mafia might try to pull off. I'm keen to see what your answer to torb's question is.
Post by: Calindu on May 23, 2020, 09:29:17 am
Alright guys, this is getting boring. Geo, kdz, calin, shock, Annele, moe, you guys all have less than 5 posts. You're hurting town. I'm going to need all of you to vote on your strongest scumread and give reasoning. And no, saying you don't have any reads yet is not helpful. Look deeper.
Sorry, only had time to read last night, I'll formulate my post and vote now.
All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
Because last time you tunneled hard on someone we spent like 3 or 4 day phases in that thunderdome between you and that person if memory serves me right.
I clearly hinted at my pending action. I can almost guarantee inactivity becomes a magnet for scum to aim at it the inactive is town. If an inactive is scum then they can share by doing nothing. So I essentially vigged the lone inactive. Sadly they were town, but now we can actually work towards solving the game instead of debating a zero poster who was also, I might add, an inactivity modkill a year ago in their prior elements mafia participation. I DID NOT TAKE THE PLANNING OF MY ACTION LIGHTLY. Anyone want to discuss it further I'm game. Voting me ONLY because of that is inane (serp? Care to give your read of me and not just the makes hour?)
Tbh, with you mentioning the inactivity modkill in a game years ago, this seems like more of a grudge kill to me. Not sure how you decided that someone who sadly was inactive 1 day during N0 deserved this extreme action. Maybe he would have been modkilled eventually, but you can't spin this like a good action. If it were almost anyone else doing this, they would have been lynched out of principle, so now this action is possible even if you are mafia.
Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
What? I agree that we should not punish activity, but in the same time, why should we look the other way when it comes to rob or Link? Are we really that useless without them that we are ok with losing on the spot if they are mafia? From this, all I get is that if you are mafia, they have a higher chance of being too, and same the other way around.
But I also wanted to imply that I only want to keep these people alive "longer", but not indefinitely. Hopefully, by the endgame, all town with lower activity is cleared out by either making them contribute more or by executing them.
Again, activity good, inactivity bad, but this type of behaviour is frustrating to play with casually. Even when I feel like I'm contributing and being fairly active, it seems like it's not enough for everyone and I'm berated for it. Let's just not execute people on the spot because they don't have a bazillion posts, ok?
Torb - just noticed you stating d1 start you're not voting... Interesting
Most likely he's burrowed and can't mechanically vote.
Sooo, you're saying that you think I might be a wolf because I made a play with a negative town outcome to draw spotlight on myself expecting people here to think I'm too smart too be that dumb as a wolf and thereby townread a wolf--rob for it?
Lol there's no way that is a real thought? From my position, that feels quite fabricated... Keeping my vote where it is. Let's say you could vote - would you be voting me right now
That's exactly how I feel too, like I said, anyone else shots N0 and they get lynched D1. I'm not scumreading you hard for it, but I can't townread you for it.
Voting for Sub for now, but the next person on my list would be rob.
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 11:27:45 am
All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
How to not have people think you're trying to lynch someone on a grudge.
Step 1: Give any kind of reasoning for your push.
Step 2: If your reasoning is solidly countered, withdraw your push.
Step 3: Don't use words like gaslighting incorrectly.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit
Now I can get to the Devour. Now, when I saw this, I wasn't that surprised that rob went for it, but I still facepalmed because THIS IS NOT MU, ROB. PEOPLE HERE HAVE LIVES. Also, it was Night 0, the least important phase of the game to be active in. He's in college, he could be having finals or something. It's not that uncommon for people to be afk for a couple days here, that's why our modkill system is more lenient than some other places. And, by the way, we have that modkill system for a reason. If you had held off just one Night like a reasonable person, then there would've been no point in killing him Night 1, since he would die anyway, and you would save a powerful ability, unless he had just made like 1 post in which case Devouring him would be justified.
If rob is town, his reasoning is that he was very likely to be an early NK target, so he better use his ability while he can, and there was a reasonable enough target, not realizing that such a move on this forum would draw him a lot of shade and waste time on Day 1 we could be better using to find the mafia. Lucky for him, mafia was actually intelligent and chose a great NK target, going for the group of players right below the juiciest targets.
If rob is mafia, his reasoning is that there is a certain point in the game where vigging a scumread is reasonable enough to not be that sus, and he was very likely to be investigated early on and not get to use his ability, which is a very strong one to have as mafia and not usually one you want to waste early. He would also have to believe that Coffee would actually become active, otherwise his ability would be wasted.
Analysis: Killing inactives with roles is a generally good practice, but rob super jumped the gun on it and its kind of a bad play as either alignment, but worse as town and I expect better play from rob. Slight scum read.I clearly hinted at my pending action. I can almost guarantee inactivity becomes a magnet for scum to aim at it the inactive is town. If an inactive is scum then they can share by doing nothing. So I essentially vigged the lone inactive. Sadly they were town, but now we can actually work towards solving the game instead of debating a zero poster who was also, I might add, an inactivity modkill a year ago in their prior elements mafia participation. I DID NOT TAKE THE PLANNING OF MY ACTION LIGHTLY. Anyone want to discuss it further I'm game. Voting me ONLY because of that is inane (serp? Care to give your read of me and not just the makes hour?)
How Sub would know we'd both be alive? TMI? I like that observation Link. Care to start a wagon as what develops? I do.
Serp why ian? And 3 vultures - what's the import?
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
No, it's straight up bad advice, which you should have recognized. Stop trying to buddy me.
To those wondering out loud or still to themselves... I think Link is right, I'm still probably within my range as either alignment so far this game. Also struggling to get in a mindset that seems to fit with role madness game type- I'm much more at home vanilla setups.
Need players to post more or have some sort of content to parse and try to read\analyze. Feels like plenty of straw grasping so far.
COULD REALLY USE MORE PLAYERS posting reads of my play so far... Other than www3 dying N0 as town cop it is there most eventful action so far...
Also I think Linkcats conclusion doesnt really make sense. He talks about a certain point of the game when using devour is safe to do as scum (apparently that's immediately), while also giving an equally plausible scenario where rob is town. As mafia doesnt get nk'ed his entire argument hinges on rob being so afraid of being investigated that he expected to get lynched day 1 and thus used his ability on the least valuable target, simply because its the only he could justify (especially considering that these types of things probably are discussed in maf chat, at least one of which should recognize that coffee was likely to get mk'ed anyway thus making robs ability completely useless)?
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2020, 12:02:27 pm
I feel like I have much better feel about how players think this time,Help me out then. I am struggling to put a read on a few reactions.
Reaction 1
LMAO W3 GET FUCKEDWhat the- I am not a big fan off www either, but between "LOL" and "F**K", my reaction was "F**K" when I first saw it. :-\
TOTALLY WORTH LOSING GN
Reaction 2
inb4 3 vultures this gameBut isn't that a good thing?
How Sub would know we'd both be alive? TMI?Obviously if I die, then you two don't. That was the whole point of my message. (and I did not account to an Otyugh being used right away)
If you were allowed to ask what TP/LO means, I am allowed to ask what TMI means. ?_?
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2020, 12:21:06 pm
I don't scumread Sub personally, but that could obviously change. He seems like the usual silly Sub.I'm trying my best here, and people still shrug my plans off as silly. @_@ I keep getting this comment across games.
I think Link is right, I'm still probably within my range as either alignment so far this game. Also struggling to get in a mindset that seems to fit with role madness game type- I'm much more at home vanilla setups.Is this a confession? This is mindgaming territory; you point out your potential guiltiness to counterpoint that a Mafia would never do that. But by doing this, you acknowledge that you would do things that would not make you seem like mafia if you were mafia, but you would not hesitate to point this out if you were town either, I just, I- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 23, 2020, 12:26:24 pm
Link- I already admitted that in hindsight it is a negative result. Imagine the hard clear I get from hitting hiding scum. Inactive town is a dead town anyway as I see it, I've been around the block before and read many games where inactives suck up day energy. At least this had a chance to get scum or in the worse case scenario we seem to be in now from my shot the discussion is about a living player who is active to post, read, and be read.
(Also playing almost entirely by phone posting is driving me nuts \OT-rant)
Imagine in a parallel universe where Scum!rob made the big brain play to eat his teammate to curry favour... xD
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2020, 12:39:31 pm
Waking up at 4 am to say:Why
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt town
Not saying I am not, but I grew cautious in the last game of people townreading me without giving reason.
Sub does the same shit when he's mafia. You're not going to get a concrete read on him this early. Besides, you don't have the best record on bets that involve eating things.More about this later. I have an RQS planned for a time where we won't have an active discusion.
When did kae bet on eating things? And did he commit to the eating part? xD
This stunt was such a YOLO move, and I do not know rob as the YOLO kind of person. The YOLO people are those who would do stupid stuff just because it is funny, and rob is not someone who's doing silly stuff. He was even upset about DC making a joke claim. Town-rob makes more sense to me to do this, even if that's something I did not expect either.This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.Care to elaborate? Finding it a bit difficult to imagine that scum would not have the balls to be innovative, not necessarily here but trying something unconventional in the hopes of relying on prior expectations of this forum to get away with it.
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2020, 12:42:20 pm
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Post by: andretimpa on May 23, 2020, 01:47:11 pm
Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.
Is this a Fate Egg claim?
rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 03:19:14 pm
I'm not committed to the rob lynch
Post by: moehrpi on May 23, 2020, 03:29:26 pm
Sh**, I almost forgot about deadline >_>
Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust. :(
- Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
- Put up an RQS about how others behave when they are mafia, and ask them to provide examples. This is a good way to spot some dishonest players, or it brings attention to some stuff that puts pressure on Mafs.
- Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate, or people with more posts in general.
Bad parts in yellow.
I agree with the bad classification. In addition both players are good enough to keep their post counts high enough as mafia. But generally we want activity as town. Although, I am not helping myself.
MW-
I ate a ZERO poster. Not low activity, not annoying bravado poster, not joke poster, not power poster, you get the point maybe... Also, I tend to be a high profile personality in elements mafia games (or I guess used to be...) so I never presume to survive a night when I have no defensive assurances... As fate would have it it seems I had nothing to worry about (is it a BIT egotistical to snipe N0 - maybe, but it was not a YOLO and was not sketchy). Not to me at least.
Well, yeah, I dislike the play a lot. After the initial annoyance now mainly because of the belief that 'inactive town = dead town'.
A question came to my mind: Why haven't Coffee used Divine Shield on the first night?
I prepared a whole train of thought, collected a bunch of quotes, but then I realized the answer to my question is simple, so all that was for nothing.
Coffee did not use Divine Shield to protect himself, because he has not been online since signups. That is also why he hasn't posted.
I agree with promoting activity and discouraging inactivity, yet I cannot stop feeling conflicted. :-\ I would have waited at least until the next night.
Do I think rob is Mafia? For two reasons, no.
- I performed a Night 1 shot as Town in Mafia 50. I can relate.
- This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.
1. To be fair, there was a mafia egging you on to make that kill. ;)
2. He absolutely would, see my reasoning earlier. He won't get lynched for it.
At least not Day 1 or 2. Neither would he later on if he gets confirmed as Fate Egg. Nelly and Andre were a bit too quick for my liking with posting this theory publicly. :-X
Alright guys, this is getting boring. Geo, kdz, calin, shock, Annele, moe, you guys all have less than 5 posts. You're hurting town. I'm going to need all of you to vote on your strongest scumread and give reasoning. And no, saying you don't have any reads yet is not helpful. Look deeper.
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
Reasoning given in a previous post.
See, it's that easy. Now, I'm going to go to sleep soon, and I want to see a lot more than 3 votes when I wake up. Then I'll decide who we're lynching.
I don't have any reads yet. I struggle to make uninformed decisions but understand the importance and also not to bandwagon other people's thoughts.
Also, that last sentence reads weirdly. Does this fall into the category of Link's humour? O R C H E S T R A T E ! :o
I am quite certain kaempfer is town. However, it is very important to me that he does not know that I think this. DO NOT QUOTE THIS POST OR I WILL VOTE YOU UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD.
Shock is playing as his own faction again...
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
throwing my vote here then until MW responds to him seemingly FoSing ian (the gaslight comment) for what I can tell was just N0 banterAll I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
lol i dont have scum read on ian, just giving banter back.
First reading this left me with a sketchy feeling. I feel much more ambiguous now but still don't like the fact it is a topic. Fortunately, this has dies down now.
Scum reading torb is wrong. His decision making here matches his deck picking style in matches: play standard & consistent, leaving it to his opponent to start making things weird & only outdoing them on that front if forced to. According to that line of reasoning rob brought unnecessary complication. Personally not a fan of how rob's handling the response to his response to the response to his devour
Not voting is good while you agree with the tally. Gives a wide net for who could be graboid. Even if GN is off the table, there's still nice roles out there like Psion & FFQ. Let mafia have to risk missing on graboid if they want to go after the no-vote crowd
I do like this post, along with the latest withdrawal of serp's vote. I might agree with it too strongly and need to challenge my own thinking that maybe voting early in the day can stimulate discussion but it sums up my own perception.
Link- I already admitted that in hindsight it is a negative result. Imagine the hard clear I get from hitting hiding scum. Inactive town is a dead town anyway as I see it, I've been around the block before and read many games where inactives suck up day energy. At least this had a chance to get scum or in the worse case scenario we seem to be in now from my shot the discussion is about a living player who is active to post, read, and be read.
(Also playing almost entirely by phone posting is driving me nuts \OT-rant)
You're arguing for two different sides here ('Imagine the hard clear i get from hitting scum'). But you can't have it both ways. Admitting 'a negative result' is not admitting a misplay which Link asked for in order to get on with the game. But you also said that you were within range of either alignment which I consider a concession of faulty play and leaves me content.
Also I forget what it's called but the syndrome of scumreading someone who scumreads me is a strong feeling right now. Like I don't even understand how a town player - if they're even here - can scumread my shot on the way being discussed. Link feels like probably just being Link so far could go either way on you right now. Scum link will be happy to let others pressure me if he doesn't have to do heavy lifting on me and town Link is wise enough to not slot me either way yet.
Annele, serp, torb are the strongest feel of that term (scumread vibes back on a scumread) right now. Their pushes don't feel genuine in meaning or tone to me. But I need to take some time to think through and not just feel it.
Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.
An easy explanation fro town to scumread you: It was a bad play from Oty, no one wanted offensive role usage, you still did it, people expected more from you. I also liked Link's pressure as I was not there to criticise you for it as well as potential others.
But what I want to point out is the different perception of voting. I don't do it light-heartedly and therefore wait until it is a lot closer to the deadline. I expect others feel similarly.
When is the best time to post read-lists? I have at least some ideas about townsfolk, www is definitely on it.
Will try to post more frequently in the future. :P
Post by: andretimpa on May 23, 2020, 03:48:06 pm
When is the best time to post read-lists? I have at least some ideas about townsfolk, www is definitely on it.
Will try to post more frequently in the future. :P
Read lists are always good imo
Post by: PlayerOa on May 23, 2020, 04:03:12 pm
A possible loophole has been observed regarding intentionally modkilling yourself for any reason. I want to emphasize that this is by no means legal, not to mention the obvious breaking of good sportsmanship, and if anyone does so, they can expect to face consequences.
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 04:13:58 pm
But intentional modkill is my favorite play
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 05:35:42 pm
Rob, buddy, just claim Fate Egg so I don't have to lynch you today. I would really love to play with you some more.
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 06:14:38 pm
Alright guys, this is getting boring. Geo, kdz, calin, shock, Annele, moe, you guys all have less than 5 posts. You're hurting town. I'm going to need all of you to vote on your strongest scumread and give reasoning. And no, saying you don't have any reads yet is not helpful. Look deeper.Having read through all the posts a couple of times I can't seem to find any other conclusions. It's hard to make reads when posts that are suspicious to me, just get dismissed as banter or so-and-so being silly. If you're asking for my strongest scumread, it's Rob - but I'm not at all confident on it.
If you see something suspicious, say something. It doesn't matter if other people dismissed it, you should be giving your honest thoughts.
But I also wanted to imply that I only want to keep these people alive "longer", but not indefinitely. Hopefully, by the endgame, all town with lower activity is cleared out by either making them contribute more or by executing them.
Again, activity good, inactivity bad, but this type of behaviour is frustrating to play with casually. Even when I feel like I'm contributing and being fairly active, it seems like it's not enough for everyone and I'm berated for it. Let's just not execute people on the spot because they don't have a bazillion posts, ok?
It's not about volume, it's about content. After this post I feel that you've contributed a helpful amount. More than iancu and MW who have more posts than you.
Also I think Linkcats conclusion doesnt really make sense. He talks about a certain point of the game when using devour is safe to do as scum (apparently that's immediately), while also giving an equally plausible scenario where rob is town. As mafia doesnt get nk'ed his entire argument hinges on rob being so afraid of being investigated that he expected to get lynched day 1 and thus used his ability on the least valuable target, simply because its the only he could justify (especially considering that these types of things probably are discussed in maf chat, at least one of which should recognize that coffee was likely to get mk'ed anyway thus making robs ability completely useless)?
The point I was talking about is when there are multiple people generally suspected by town, and a maf vig can just kill one that's town and not be suspected that much.
I feel like I have much better feel about how players think this time,Help me out then. I am struggling to put a read on a few reactions.
Reaction 1LMAO W3 GET FUCKEDWhat the- I am not a big fan off www either, but between "LOL" and "F**K", my reaction was "F**K" when I first saw it. :-\
TOTALLY WORTH LOSING GN
Reaction 2inb4 3 vultures this gameBut isn't that a good thing?How Sub would know we'd both be alive? TMI?Obviously if I die, then you two don't. That was the whole point of my message. (and I did not account to an Otyugh being used right away)
If you were allowed to ask what TP/LO means, I am allowed to ask what TMI means. ?_?
Rude, I'm a huge w3 fan. :(
It is a good thing, but it would make the game too easy for town.
TMI is Too Much Information, in this case information that only mafia had.
I think Link is right, I'm still probably within my range as either alignment so far this game. Also struggling to get in a mindset that seems to fit with role madness game type- I'm much more at home vanilla setups.Is this a confession? This is mindgaming territory; you point out your potential guiltiness to counterpoint that a Mafia would never do that. But by doing this, you acknowledge that you would do things that would not make you seem like mafia if you were mafia, but you would not hesitate to point this out if you were town either, I just, I- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
He's simply saying that from an objective standpoint on his own meta, he could still easily be either alignment, which is true. The same applies to me currently.
Scum reading torb is wrong. His decision making here matches his deck picking style in matches: play standard & consistent, leaving it to his opponent to start making things weird & only outdoing them on that front if forced to. According to that line of reasoning rob brought unnecessary complication. Personally not a fan of how rob's handling the response to his response to the response to his devour
Not voting is good while you agree with the tally. Gives a wide net for who could be graboid. Even if GN is off the table, there's still nice roles out there like Psion & FFQ. Let mafia have to risk missing on graboid if they want to go after the no-vote crowd
I do like this post, along with the latest withdrawal of serp's vote. I might agree with it too strongly and need to challenge my own thinking that maybe voting early in the day can stimulate discussion but it sums up my own perception.
As I said before, good idea but voting is more valuable. Usually there's 1 or 2 people who like to hold on to votes, but if more people do it that's an easy way to mislynch.
Link- I already admitted that in hindsight it is a negative result. Imagine the hard clear I get from hitting hiding scum. Inactive town is a dead town anyway as I see it, I've been around the block before and read many games where inactives suck up day energy. At least this had a chance to get scum or in the worse case scenario we seem to be in now from my shot the discussion is about a living player who is active to post, read, and be read.
(Also playing almost entirely by phone posting is driving me nuts \OT-rant)
Admitting 'a negative result' is not admitting a misplay which Link asked for in order to get on with the game.
This is correct. I even gave you a second option now, see how nice I am?
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 06:28:07 pm
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Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 06:35:15 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 23, 2020, 06:36:14 pm
What's the policy on posting sha512sum outputs for texts I might reveal later on?
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I'll follow Ginyu's example from last Mafia and disallow them. I'll let you off if you reveal the meaning of it now, though.
Reference:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292493/#msg1292493
led to
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292552/#msg1292552
> oh look, Link is a ninja
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 06:41:33 pm
Text is "DejaVu:moe,serp"
So, uh, hi
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 06:43:28 pm
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 06:46:14 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 06:56:57 pm
TOWN READS (in order of most town read to least town read)
shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town
Kaempfer- see shockcannons reasoning
submachine- is doing submachine stuff. i expect him to be slightly more low key as scum.
Rob- Im on the rob wouldnt be that stupid as scum bandwagon
Serp-I have no reason to not believe his coded message
Moe- See serp
Somethings i would like to point out
Waking up at 4 am to say:
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt town
This comment is based solely on reading the thread. He did not gain any information from his role.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 23, 2020, 06:59:28 pm
smh, should have asked if it's okay before posting the cryptographic message anyway
Now all of mafia knows who you are
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Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 07:01:19 pm
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 07:01:29 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 07:03:08 pm
I cant find anything uber damning in any of this and really seems like some shallow fingerpointing. Ill just give my full read list as of right now. It aint much.
TOWN READS (in order of most town read to least town read)
shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town
Kaempfer- see shockcannons reasoning
submachine- is doing submachine stuff. i expect him to be slightly more low key as scum.
Rob- Im on the rob wouldnt be that stupid as scum bandwagon
Serp-I have no reason to not believe his coded message
Moe- See serp
Somethings i would like to point outWaking up at 4 am to say:
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt town
This comment is based solely on reading the thread. He did not gain any information from his role.
This is not the time to be softing...
Sub is never low key as scum.
Post by: Calindu on May 23, 2020, 07:17:30 pm
Oh whoops I should've made it something random since moe would be able to prove it by knowing the random phrase
Text is "DejaVu:moe,serp"
So, uh, hi
Well, this is as close as mechanically confirmed for me, since there's no way mafia risks 2 of their players to hard claim DejaVu. Someone do check them with Psion or even Endow for that matter, but it is not urgent in my opinion.
shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town
Kaempfer- see shockcannons reasoning
I really think it's not a good idea to hard hint at roles this early, it puts people with power roles at risk way too early if mafia deduces out of random hints the roles.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 07:17:49 pm
All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
Because last time you tunneled hard on someone we spent like 3 or 4 day phases in that thunderdome between you and that person if memory serves me right.
Last time i tunneled hard on someone, i was a fcking GN and i hit a Mafia on the first night. It turned into a thunderdome because that mafia i hit was Espithel. It was like throwing water on a grease fire.
This is not the time to be softing...
Sub is never low key as scum.
Sure it is. I have a vote on me (probably more of a placeholder i know) and honestly, there is like nothing besides rob's move that has sparked any real scum reads. Serps claim only solidified more town and serp or moe very well may die tomorrow night. Im just trying to give some stuff for people to work with, and im fairly certain my soft claim could be interpreted into like 3 very different roles. If serp is being truthful, then i have 5 confirmed town which puts me in quite a good position. If i die and my role is revealed, i want at least some good information to be passed on.
I do think your correct on sub tho, and i would like to remove him at this time from my town reads
Post by: Calindu on May 23, 2020, 07:22:31 pm
Last time i tunneled hard on someone, i was a fcking GN and i hit a Mafia on the first night. It turned into a thunderdome because that mafia i hit was Espithel. It was like throwing water on a grease fire.
Ah, my bad, I forgot that detail to be honest. I remembered it as two civvies going hard at eachother and the orchestration squad(my fault here too) coming in hot at end of day to change the results.
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2020, 08:01:10 pm
He watched the entirety of 60 as a host, and he got familiar with my train of thought. Though you can also never know with Link, and Link seems to believe you can also never know with rob. We are the trinity of indecipherables.
And yes, Link managed to shake my steady townread on rob, but it is still a townread.
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 08:03:17 pm
All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
Because last time you tunneled hard on someone we spent like 3 or 4 day phases in that thunderdome between you and that person if memory serves me right.
Last time i tunneled hard on someone, i was a fcking GN and i hit a Mafia on the first night. It turned into a thunderdome because that mafia i hit was Espithel. It was like throwing water on a grease fire.This is not the time to be softing...
Sub is never low key as scum.
Sure it is. I have a vote on me (probably more of a placeholder i know) and honestly, there is like nothing besides rob's move that has sparked any real scum reads. Serps claim only solidified more town and serp or moe very well may die tomorrow night. Im just trying to give some stuff for people to work with, and im fairly certain my soft claim could be interpreted into like 3 very different roles. If serp is being truthful, then i have 5 confirmed town which puts me in quite a good position. If i die and my role is revealed, i want at least some good information to be passed on.
I do think your correct on sub tho, and i would like to remove him at this time from my town reads
No, it's not. If you have an information role then stay in the background and collect as much of it as possible, don't draw attention to yourself. You didn't even do anything helpful.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 23, 2020, 08:05:19 pm
If a mafia member would earn Deja Vu, due to for example Crusader, Fate Egg or Vulture, it would fail - at all stages of the game, only Elementals can receive this role. I'd also like to let you know that this is Linkcat's ruleset - I am simply the host. So @Linkcat, if this interpretation is horribly wrong, let me know ASAP :D
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 08:11:32 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 23, 2020, 08:13:37 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 08:14:37 pm
Im just trying to give some stuff for people to work with, and im fairly certain my soft claim could be interpreted into like 3 very different roles. If serp is being truthful, then i have 5 confirmed town which puts me in quite a good position. If i die and my role is revealed, i want at least some good information to be passed on.I've reread the op 4 times and arrive at the conclusion that there is a grand total of 1 type of (not confirmed dead) town roles that would allow you to mechanically discern shocks alignement while simultaneously not knowing but believing serps claim to be true on n1 .
Ugh, this whole thing is a trainwreck again. Nvm me saying that this could turn out to be easy earlier.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 08:16:48 pm
No, it's not. If you have an information role then stay in the background and collect as much of it as possible, don't draw attention to yourself. You didn't even do anything helpful.
How not? I guess i can run around in circles with rob, you, and sub but i would rather try to provide some hard evidence. My role is not a great one but there is no reason for me to hold any information. If i die then that information goes with me.
Normally im not killed early. People see me as too disruptive to town to kill me. But with rob running around munching everthing i do not know when ill die. Might as well get out what i can while i can. If it paints a target, then so be it. My role is not important enough that ill probably save the NK from someone more important if i do get hit with it.
Now, i want your full list of reads. Youve been highly active with an opinion on everything said (nothing out of the ordinary), so lets see your info in basic form.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 08:17:36 pm
Im just trying to give some stuff for people to work with, and im fairly certain my soft claim could be interpreted into like 3 very different roles. If serp is being truthful, then i have 5 confirmed town which puts me in quite a good position. If i die and my role is revealed, i want at least some good information to be passed on.I've reread the op 4 times and arrive at the conclusion that there is a grand total of 1 type of (not confirmed dead) town roles that would allow you to mechanically discern shocks alignement while simultaneously not knowing but believing serps claim to be true on n1 .
Ugh, this whole thing is a trainwreck again. Nvm me saying that this could turn out to be easy earlier.
My role has nothing to do with me believing serp or really my kaempfer read.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 08:20:38 pm
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 23, 2020, 08:21:36 pm
Calin, thank you. Moe, you're giving off strong town vibes. Give me your reads list right away. Andre, not good enough. Cast a vote if you are able. Geo, Annele, saying you're fine with the current tally and not voting is the scummiest stance you could take. Slight scum lean for both until you vote.
Alright I'll vote. Voting rob not only because of misplay but also the post where he points fingers at annele, serp, and torb without any concrete evidence.
I also don't like the vibes off shock's messages but its strictly a gut feel.
Also strongest townreads for me:
Linkcat - actively trying to push discussion which is always good for town
serp - good logic, good reasoning
moe - follow up from serp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 08:21:54 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 08:26:45 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 08:29:41 pm
as you cant be deja vu with him and not question serps claim as there is only at most one group of deja vus (stated in op)
Serp-I have no reason to not believe his coded message
Moe- See serp
i simply have no reason not to believe him. And your role read on me tells me i did on okay job at my soft claim.
I also don't like the vibes off shock's messages but its strictly a gut feel.
This is a totally normal gut feeling with everything shock says both in and outside of mafia. Dont look into what he says too hard or youll descend in madness. I think i can speak for the majority when i say that.
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 08:31:22 pm
No, it's not. If you have an information role then stay in the background and collect as much of it as possible, don't draw attention to yourself. You didn't even do anything helpful.
How not? I guess i can run around in circles with rob, you, and sub but i would rather try to provide some hard evidence. My role is not a great one but there is no reason for me to hold any information. If i die then that information goes with me.
Normally im not killed early. People see me as too disruptive to town to kill me. But with rob running around munching everthing i do not know when ill die. Might as well get out what i can while i can. If it paints a target, then so be it. My role is not important enough that ill probably save the NK from someone more important if i do get hit with it.
Now, i want your full list of reads. Youve been highly active with an opinion on everything said (nothing out of the ordinary), so lets see your info in basic form.
There we go, now that's the play I want to see.
vv
serp
moe
v
Torb - Super genuine approach so far
n+
MW - Your play doesn't make much sense as mafia
n
Everyone else - they haven't given me enough to work with.
n-
Annele - See my big post a couple pages back
rob - You know why
kdz - Lurking, he does this more as mafia than town
shock - Too quiet
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 08:38:03 pm
as you cant be deja vu with him and not question serps claim as there is only at most one group of deja vus (stated in op)Serp-I have no reason to not believe his coded message
Moe- See serp
i simply have no reason not to believe him. And your role read on me tells me i did on okay job at my soft claim.I also don't like the vibes off shock's messages but its strictly a gut feel.
This is a totally normal gut feeling with everything shock says both in and outside of mafia. Dont look into what he says too hard or youll descend in madness. I think i can speak for the majority when i say that.
Just to be sure, I want you to know that a psion getting a guardian angel result doesnt mean anything about the targets alignement. I'm a little concerned this might be going on, as people wrongly assuming such let to mobian living as mafia much longer than he should've in the mafia game before I started playing.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 08:45:44 pm
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 08:48:05 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 08:51:58 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 08:55:35 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2020, 08:55:59 pm
vv - deja vu's. Impossible (?) to counterclaim
serp
moe
v
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I don't think he's mafia.
n+
TorB - similar playstyle as last time I played with him.
n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
Sub - Bad plans as usual.
n-
shock -
Fixing vote count. Also, probably not voting today.
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 09:06:18 pm
so basically we regard moe, shock, serp as confirmed and either watch in horror as the mafia kills them 1 by 1 or try to solve the game while they are still around. Pretty wastefull to make that public this early, but it does make our PoE a lot smaller.
I will be very very surprised is mafia kills shock. Shock helps mafia more alive than dead.
Moe and serp while can be "considered as town confirmed" dont have ultra powerful roles and would be killed just beacuse they are our "confirmed" town, which honestly helps us since their roles werent going to and the NK is saved from more important people.
i dont think we should hard confirm anybody. We should just keep this information in mind when voting and discussing. serp could be lying, we havent even got confirmation from Moe and i dont think he should confirm.
My question is, is Lynching rob the best move (honest question)? If he flips town, almost all conversations this phase were a waste and we lose a powerful role, whether that be oty or egg.
If we dont lynch rob, who do we lynch? doing a no lynch is probably the worst thing we can do, and we need some pretty hard evidence to get everyone to jump on a different lynch.
Post by: serprex on May 23, 2020, 09:12:07 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 09:14:30 pm
The hes not Oty.
If he wasted an OU on N0 then he is mafia or not Oty. And even as mafia, he coulda saved that for later unless their gameplan is to bumrush the game
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 09:16:52 pm
In the last mafia where he wasnt nearly as active he made a bunch of pretty confident townreads at this stage, rather than keeping all options open for a potential lynch later.
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2020, 09:39:42 pm
I'll sit this phase out.
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 09:44:08 pm
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
Good.
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 09:47:23 pm
Honestly I like Link the least right now. Feels to me like he's shooting down any semblance of a read that doesnt fit his narrative and tries to sow the seed of doubt wherever he can. also I'm getting the feeling that his amusement with every single important town power role being revealed before the game has even started properly is actually genuine (joy at how easy this was) rather than a vet who has given up hope on people handling power roles properly.
In the last mafia where he wasnt nearly as active he made a bunch of pretty confident townreads at this stage, rather than keeping all options open for a potential lynch later.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/354/591/17c.png)
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2020, 09:59:41 pm
- My confidence mostly came from him putting in way too much effort into investigating certain things. it kinda reminded me of that time that someone made sure to reverse google image search the photo of a keyboard of someone with a broken h key (I think) to make sure he wasnt lying about it and just grabbed a random image of the internet.
A mafia would know that a town player would never lie about this and thus not even bother with that kind of busy work, unless they were specifically aiming to be read that way. Looking back, Sub reported doing this moreso than actually post his full thought process, so I can't actually verify whether he really thought about all these things.
Still, on this forum its pretty much easier to just stay low and people usually dont pick up on these types of things anyway, so wasting precious time with these detailed examinations isn't really a viable strategy for scum to escape suspicion here (quite the opposite really) and leaves less time to communicate with team members, monitor how people view yourselves and who is easy to lynch right now and other stuff scum has to tend to.
In the same vein, his post panicking about dying n1 (which is sth scum doesnt have to worry about, so scum only ever does that speculating to be read that way)
I expect Sub (or rob for that matter) to be aware of that and not make some elaborate theater that drags a lot of attention to themselves as scum. I dont think that type of gambit has ever worked out in a forum mafia here, so i dont see why he would bother with acting. Occams rayzor says he's just town legitimately getting confused about some things and trying to look into everything he can.
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2020, 10:02:30 pm
Honestly I like Link the least right now. Feels to me like he's shooting down any semblance of a read that doesnt fit his narrative and tries to sow the seed of doubt wherever he can. also I'm getting the feeling that his amusement with every single important town power role being revealed before the game has even started properly is actually genuine (joy at how easy this was) rather than a vet who has given up hope on people handling power roles properly.
In the last mafia where he wasnt nearly as active he made a bunch of pretty confident townreads at this stage, rather than keeping all options open for a potential lynch later.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQYCeuiBC_qTXJ-2zK7D5kXjHUdl6FMlsPeryAhFbh7y5Nywn7g&usqp=CAU.png)
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2020, 10:13:33 pm
I am confused about several things, but I am too afraid to ask, and honestly, I don't even know where to start.
I'll sit this phase out.
why are you afraid?
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 01:03:20 am
I suspect people broke the rules of the game.I am confused about several things, but I am too afraid to ask, and honestly, I don't even know where to start.
I'll sit this phase out.
why are you afraid?
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 01:04:51 am
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 01:05:54 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 01:19:10 am
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 01:20:21 am
Is it serp and shock talking about mafia via discord call? Cuz I'm a little weirded out by that tooThat is part of it, yes.
Post by: Annele on May 24, 2020, 01:20:39 am
I do think I was too hasty to scumread rob without considering all role possibilities. It was a bad move, but I'm not as worried it was mafia trying to pull a fast one on us anymore.
I agree that no lynch is a bad idea atm, since we're already two town down, but I don't think rob should be the target. I'm not sure what else to go on yet, so I'll read through the posts again and also wait for sub's 'quite some text', which may change things.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 01:28:23 am
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 01:33:43 am
I am not in the mind right now though, so do not stop the discussion until I get it together. I just need to finally stop playing Minecraft, go to sleep, and come back to this tomorrow.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 01:37:30 am
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 01:59:45 am
Quote
[01:28:01] ‹worldwideweb3› do i sense D R A M A
[01:33:46] ‹serprex› ‹@worldwideweb3› nope, you losing 0-6 to monofire is going to be more dramatic
[01:44:31] ‹worldwideweb3› uh thats not happening cause dawn doesnt play 6 monofires
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 02:15:23 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 02:39:21 am
I am finally done with the 'stop playing Minecraft' part, so initiate the part about sleeping. ^^
>:(
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 03:32:11 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 04:03:52 am
If there are really some of you who just have to know what I was thinking, it is now easier for me to lay it out given I'm claiming Fate Egg. Read in bravado or self-importance or overthinking or egotistical or whatever you want, but the following is how I arrived at deciding to vig coffee N0. I get my role and am Oty N0 (great, what an awesome role that is even better the longer you hold it - but I have it _now_ and ONLY for N0 use or lose) from Fate Egg roll. Looking over the player list, I determine that there is a fair chance I may be a NK target N0 if certain other high profile or more active/"admired" (right word?) players are scum this game. Hence, I feel a fair chance that acting N0 is possibly one of my best chances to help town this game. It is not a secret nor a recent thing that I do not like low activity players. However, I know better than to snipe a player simply for LOW activity. So I start out thinking I want to snipe the scummiest poster N0 - problem quickly arises for me as I realize Elements mafia is not high activity in general, N0 is no real must to post a lot, and that in a role madness (not my favorite type...) game certain people might stay close to the vest N0 in order to avoid NK suspicion if they have a strong role (RIP www3). I then realize late-mid-ish N0 that coffee has not posted ANYTHING even once since signing up, is not signed in or active, was inactivity MK'd his previous mafia game a year ago, and from that I get a strong feeling that he is not going to be any kind of use this game if town and I have a chance N0 to bag a slacking scum. I am WELL AWARE that killing a town is not ideal but only HINDSIGHT tells me he was town - I saw it as a chance to be a benefit to town...
Whoever it was (Cal) that was scumreading me and made a statement about them seeing me as scummy for a "bad play" and "policy" is a duo of very bad terrible no good reasons to ever scumread or vote/lynch anyone. So that can just be knocked off now - the policy lynch, bad play lynch (in this case I will strongly argue - actually, I already have argued it this way - it was not a "bad play" but rather a bad result), info lynch, etc. is just so squarely a bad way to try to win if you're town and is a nice way to push mislynches if you're scum.
I believe the Deja claim. Serp- breadcrumbing is not using codes or invisitext etc... it is using regular language or aspects of regular posts than can be played by all players within the game to leave clues or hints or disguise info than can be further clarified later for it's additional meaning (but was understood and readable at the original time too).
This is a bit echoing a sentiment posted already - I think by kaempfer - but as I was going about my day today I was ruminating on this game... and having trouble figuring out what felt different about Link. I realized it seemed like he was a bit less concerned with what I _recall_ him liking to do which is find some town reads, find some scumreads, build a POE, and push around on the remaining set of players to get them to post and be active enough that he can read them into those three categories. However, this game it feels a lot more like he is simply moving around looking for who to lynch moreso than the above strategy. This latter is a scum-tactic more than not. A HUGE caveat here is that Link is a notoriously difficult read for me, and we have a fairly colorful history of interactions in games we both participate. When I saw kaempfer essentially have a similar read on Link I had a little bell ring in my head that maybe my thought was on to something. But even just typing through this I recall a few role madness or role-heavy setups I have played in with and read real-time on Link vacillating around in the POE while being town. This is probably my longest ever slight read on a player... but for now Link has a wolfy vibe for me so far but sadly I feel as several have stated (Sub, myself, Link?) already that Link is still in range of both his town and scum ranges.
A follow-up post will attempt to gather my thoughts on reads/slots so far this game...
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 04:29:54 am
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Ultimately I'm going to vote for whomever moe votes for, since he has a better read on this than I do
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 05:31:09 am
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Read below please. I fancy a vote on Sub or Ge0, but stronger read right now on Sub (again, read all below please)
Ge0 - you going to vote Sub? What's your read on him, and/or reaction to my read on Sub??
v+
serp
moe
v-
kae - he has had some takes that come across as real solving attempts that fit the stage of the game
shock - a few reasons... I'm a tad uncomfortable typing them directly here
v--
MW - his posting today reads like a person really trying to think through the game... like he is typing in the thread without having had other conversations (as a scum would likely be doing in a scum chat). For example, I feel confident that the scum this game would not post in here without being up to speed on the rob-N0-coffee-shot and how Oty works etc (this post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297108/#msg1297108) leans me a town direction from MW)
n+
DC - basically only $#@!posting so far... which I recall from past DC/q games is NAI
kdz - not even enough content to remember he is playing unless I'm looking at the player list
n-
timpa - very blaise posting so far, minimally at that. I know he has a mind and capability to exceed his input / solving so far and if town I expect to see it. scum timpa could be simply put off by not needing to solve so lacking WIM. These are VERY loose aspects to read from, hence some negative comments but just an n- read.
Link - see my prior wall post... seems a bit more likely to not be his more solve-y town Link. still miles to go to develop this though
iancu - the incomplete reads list, he did mention only skimming but the omission of a few players with plenty of posts and more than some he DID read pings my senses (he omitted kae and MW??)
Cal - I really don't like the way he goes to policy, and bad play lynch approach in order to vote me, but reading over the stuff in his posts so far it actually reads like he really just believes that is a fair set of reasons to lynch a player (they aren't by the way). Given his replies and vote/etc. with Sub I really don't see any w/w with Sub (who is a strong scumread for me right now).
w-
Annele - the initial approach she took to scumread me for my N0 felt awkwardly aimed at me... however, the back-down after some explanations occurred felt a little more genuine. A bit "off" feeling to me that the backdown came so easy after so much shade (as a ratio of her total posts, to those shading me). It does though seem possible this is how she approaches reads, but need to see more to feel better/stronger about reading her play.
Torb - I find his initial push on me to be stronger than his reasons would/should normally portend, that is a bit like he set out wanting to scumread me and then filled in the take/read. looking forward to reading his posts/reads following some of the posting that has gone on today. from today and re-reading he and I's exchanges I could see this possibly being a v/v clash of style or misunderstood statements/actions (that is, he seemed in a re-read genuinely upset I had not fleshed out my reasoning or further detailed my N0 action process... I have since done that and look forward to seeing how he reacts to it, if he does) to say it a different way-- perhaps he is a very mechanical player who wants to be able to understand how other players make somewhat important game decisions and as of yet he hasn't arrived at that point with me+N0
w+
Ge0 - talking about how caught up he is (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296938/#msg1296938); more talk about why he might appear to not be playing/solving much (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297048/#msg1297048) and a way wish-washy meandering around his read on me at a time when it felt in the thread (at least to me) like I might become a wagon - like he wants to hedge why he jumps on later should I become a good ML target; suddenly has townreads on the Deja-claiming duo (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297095/#msg1297095) and having gone from thinking my play is likely towny because he "can't help but think that there's no way Rob would draw so much attention to him right off the bat if he was scum" to voting me as scummy b/c of that same misplay and because I gave scumreads of Annele/Serp/TorB???
^-- I find all of these things at least a bit scummy or more.
Sub - reading the thread and Sub's posts I get a sense of wolf-losing-WIM due to 'reasons', whereas the last part of today I get a sense in the thread of things developing that might actually benefit town simultaneous with Sub losing his Want-It-More (WIM).
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 05:32:23 am
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Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 05:34:07 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 05:36:04 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 05:55:24 am
Alright time to explain my sub read:
- My confidence mostly came from him putting in way too much effort into investigating certain things. it kinda reminded me of that time that someone made sure to reverse google image search the photo of a keyboard of someone with a broken h key (I think) to make sure he wasnt lying about it and just grabbed a random image of the internet.
A mafia would know that a town player would never lie about this and thus not even bother with that kind of busy work, unless they were specifically aiming to be read that way. Looking back, Sub reported doing this moreso than actually post his full thought process, so I can't actually verify whether he really thought about all these things.
Still, on this forum its pretty much easier to just stay low and people usually dont pick up on these types of things anyway, so wasting precious time with these detailed examinations isn't really a viable strategy for scum to escape suspicion here (quite the opposite really) and leaves less time to communicate with team members, monitor how people view yourselves and who is easy to lynch right now and other stuff scum has to tend to.
In the same vein, his post panicking about dying n1 (which is sth scum doesnt have to worry about, so scum only ever does that speculating to be read that way)
I expect Sub (or rob for that matter) to be aware of that and not make some elaborate theater that drags a lot of attention to themselves as scum. I dont think that type of gambit has ever worked out in a forum mafia here, so i dont see why he would bother with acting. Occams razor says he's just town legitimately getting confused about some things and trying to look into everything he can.
This reads like you've never played as mafia before. It doesn't take that much extra time.
24 hour extension- kaempfer13
Not really necessary right now, we'll see where we're at closer to deadline.
FFS folks... I breadcrumbed my role in case I had to claim LATER, not because I wanted to do so D1. "Lunch" was a honest typo in N0, but having used fate and egg in subsequent posts whereas I pretty much NEVER use those words was on purpose. I am not going to be coming out here with any sort of admission of my shot being "wrong" or "bad" play because I don't think it was. It was an idea that didn't work out and that is as far as it should really go for now, given we have no idea in the long run how it may help / result in the game playing out.
If there are really some of you who just have to know what I was thinking, it is now easier for me to lay it out given I'm claiming Fate Egg. Read in bravado or self-importance or overthinking or egotistical or whatever you want, but the following is how I arrived at deciding to vig coffee N0. I get my role and am Oty N0 (great, what an awesome role that is even better the longer you hold it - but I have it _now_ and ONLY for N0 use or lose) from Fate Egg roll. Looking over the player list, I determine that there is a fair chance I may be a NK target N0 if certain other high profile or more active/"admired" (right word?) players are scum this game. Hence, I feel a fair chance that acting N0 is possibly one of my best chances to help town this game. It is not a secret nor a recent thing that I do not like low activity players. However, I know better than to snipe a player simply for LOW activity. So I start out thinking I want to snipe the scummiest poster N0 - problem quickly arises for me as I realize Elements mafia is not high activity in general, N0 is no real must to post a lot, and that in a role madness (not my favorite type...) game certain people might stay close to the vest N0 in order to avoid NK suspicion if they have a strong role (RIP www3). I then realize late-mid-ish N0 that coffee has not posted ANYTHING even once since signing up, is not signed in or active, was inactivity MK'd his previous mafia game a year ago, and from that I get a strong feeling that he is not going to be any kind of use this game if town and I have a chance N0 to bag a slacking scum. I am WELL AWARE that killing a town is not ideal but only HINDSIGHT tells me he was town - I saw it as a chance to be a benefit to town...
Whoever it was (Cal) that was scumreading me and made a statement about them seeing me as scummy for a "bad play" and "policy" is a duo of very bad terrible no good reasons to ever scumread or vote/lynch anyone. So that can just be knocked off now - the policy lynch, bad play lynch (in this case I will strongly argue - actually, I already have argued it this way - it was not a "bad play" but rather a bad result), info lynch, etc. is just so squarely a bad way to try to win if you're town and is a nice way to push mislynches if you're scum.
I believe the Deja claim. Serp- breadcrumbing is not using codes or invisitext etc... it is using regular language or aspects of regular posts than can be played by all players within the game to leave clues or hints or disguise info than can be further clarified later for it's additional meaning (but was understood and readable at the original time too).
This is a bit echoing a sentiment posted already - I think by kaempfer - but as I was going about my day today I was ruminating on this game... and having trouble figuring out what felt different about Link. I realized it seemed like he was a bit less concerned with what I _recall_ him liking to do which is find some town reads, find some scumreads, build a POE, and push around on the remaining set of players to get them to post and be active enough that he can read them into those three categories. However, this game it feels a lot more like he is simply moving around looking for who to lynch moreso than the above strategy. This latter is a scum-tactic more than not. A HUGE caveat here is that Link is a notoriously difficult read for me, and we have a fairly colorful history of interactions in games we both participate. When I saw kaempfer essentially have a similar read on Link I had a little bell ring in my head that maybe my thought was on to something. But even just typing through this I recall a few role madness or role-heavy setups I have played in with and read real-time on Link vacillating around in the POE while being town. This is probably my longest ever slight read on a player... but for now Link has a wolfy vibe for me so far but sadly I feel as several have stated (Sub, myself, Link?) already that Link is still in range of both his town and scum ranges.
A follow-up post will attempt to gather my thoughts on reads/slots so far this game...
Great, it was a good play, and you should have expected you would have to claim, cause it wasn't a good play without the Fate Egg. Case closed, moving on.
You might want to take a look back at my ISO, buddy. I've been doing those things all game, and I haven't been moving around, I've only been on you up until now.
Your v reads are decent, but the rest of your readslist is mostly shit. It's very convenient that your top scumread is the guy who already had 2 votes on him, and someone that mafia wouldn't want sticking around. Tell me, rob, how do you feel about an Annele lynch today?
You guys left out Ge0's vote, btw.
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Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 06:10:01 am
ALso, what you mean my v-reads are decent (2/5 of them are the Deja claims)? If you think my scum leans are bad then why are you voting one and asking me about voting one?
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:14:12 am
How do you feel about an andre lynch?
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Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 06:21:16 am
Nothing real substantive or towny there, but really feel stronger right now about my other scumreads.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 06:23:24 am
Torb - I find his initial push on me to be stronger than his reasons would/should normally portend, that is a bit like he set out wanting to scumread me and then filled in the take/read. looking forward to reading his posts/reads following some of the posting that has gone on today. from today and re-reading he and I's exchanges I could see this possibly being a v/v clash of style or misunderstood statements/actions (that is, he seemed in a re-read genuinely upset I had not fleshed out my reasoning or further detailed my N0 action process... I have since done that and look forward to seeing how he reacts to it, if he does) to say it a different way-- perhaps he is a very mechanical player who wants to be able to understand how other players make somewhat important game decisions and as of yet he hasn't arrived at that point with me+N0Elementary, my dear rob. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
I could see no possible situation in which this is a good call for town, I could see a very unlikely situation where this would benefit mafia. Therefore, you must be mafia.
With that said, I will believe your own conviction of this being a good move (or at the very least acceptable), which is indeed more credible with Fate Egg. Even if I still disagree with this move.
Regretting a town died or being sorry about it is useless. The idea is that you regret the decision and would agree not to make the same decision again if faced with identical circumstances. Not doing so matches up nicely with the previous statement. If you were half-hearted about it, you should never have made a move like that to begin with.
Will look over all this juicy info and get my thoughts out on all the people now that I'm semi-done tunneling (in ~3 hours).
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:39:47 am
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Read below please. I fancy a vote on Sub or Ge0, but stronger read right now on Sub (again, read all below please)
Ge0 - you going to vote Sub? What's your read on him, and/or reaction to my read on Sub??
v+
serp
moe
v-
kae - he has had some takes that come across as real solving attempts that fit the stage of the game
shock - a few reasons... I'm a tad uncomfortable typing them directly here
v--
MW - his posting today reads like a person really trying to think through the game... like he is typing in the thread without having had other conversations (as a scum would likely be doing in a scum chat). For example, I feel confident that the scum this game would not post in here without being up to speed on the rob-N0-coffee-shot and how Oty works etc (this post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297108/#msg1297108) leans me a town direction from MW)
n+
DC - basically only $#@!posting so far... which I recall from past DC/q games is NAI
kdz - not even enough content to remember he is playing unless I'm looking at the player list
n-
timpa - very blaise posting so far, minimally at that. I know he has a mind and capability to exceed his input / solving so far and if town I expect to see it. scum timpa could be simply put off by not needing to solve so lacking WIM. These are VERY loose aspects to read from, hence some negative comments but just an n- read.
Link - see my prior wall post... seems a bit more likely to not be his more solve-y town Link. still miles to go to develop this though
iancu - the incomplete reads list, he did mention only skimming but the omission of a few players with plenty of posts and more than some he DID read pings my senses (he omitted kae and MW??)
Cal - I really don't like the way he goes to policy, and bad play lynch approach in order to vote me, but reading over the stuff in his posts so far it actually reads like he really just believes that is a fair set of reasons to lynch a player (they aren't by the way). Given his replies and vote/etc. with Sub I really don't see any w/w with Sub (who is a strong scumread for me right now).
w-
Annele - the initial approach she took to scumread me for my N0 felt awkwardly aimed at me... however, the back-down after some explanations occurred felt a little more genuine. A bit "off" feeling to me that the backdown came so easy after so much shade (as a ratio of her total posts, to those shading me). It does though seem possible this is how she approaches reads, but need to see more to feel better/stronger about reading her play.
Torb - I find his initial push on me to be stronger than his reasons would/should normally portend, that is a bit like he set out wanting to scumread me and then filled in the take/read. looking forward to reading his posts/reads following some of the posting that has gone on today. from today and re-reading he and I's exchanges I could see this possibly being a v/v clash of style or misunderstood statements/actions (that is, he seemed in a re-read genuinely upset I had not fleshed out my reasoning or further detailed my N0 action process... I have since done that and look forward to seeing how he reacts to it, if he does) to say it a different way-- perhaps he is a very mechanical player who wants to be able to understand how other players make somewhat important game decisions and as of yet he hasn't arrived at that point with me+N0
w+
Ge0 - talking about how caught up he is (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296938/#msg1296938); more talk about why he might appear to not be playing/solving much (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297048/#msg1297048) and a way wish-washy meandering around his read on me at a time when it felt in the thread (at least to me) like I might become a wagon - like he wants to hedge why he jumps on later should I become a good ML target; suddenly has townreads on the Deja-claiming duo (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297095/#msg1297095) and having gone from thinking my play is likely towny because he "can't help but think that there's no way Rob would draw so much attention to him right off the bat if he was scum" to voting me as scummy b/c of that same misplay and because I gave scumreads of Annele/Serp/TorB???
^-- I find all of these things at least a bit scummy or more.
Sub - reading the thread and Sub's posts I get a sense of wolf-losing-WIM due to 'reasons', whereas the last part of today I get a sense in the thread of things developing that might actually benefit town simultaneous with Sub losing his Want-It-More (WIM).
Why do you have DC and kdz in n+? Did you find a new religion that doesn't believe in straight n or what?
Your read on me is bad, I'm still solving.
Cal is not using a policy lynch argument against you. He didn't even vote you, he's voting on the same guy you are.
Torb's push was justified because there wasn't much else going on and he feels like the type of guy to always want to be pushing someone. He had a clear explanation and attempted to engage with you on his push.
You're way over-analyzing Ge0, he's playing exactly like someone dipping their toes back into mafia after a long time and what little content he had felt real. No reason to vote him right now.
Sub always wants it more, have you played with him before? And the thread is not developing in favor of town, we outed 3.5 roles after losing our GN. Also interesting how this is the least developed of your scumreads, yet it's also your strongest one.
Feels like low-hanging fruit to me... but a very short / quick ISO he does try to shade awkwardly in one post - and sticks to a bit of a mechanical thing about my 'soft claim' and then a throw-away thing about reads list.
Nothing real substantive or towny there, but really feel stronger right now about my other scumreads.
Thank you for this data, it may prove valuable depending on your flip.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:46:03 am
serp
moe
v
Torb
n+
kaempfer
MW
n
shock
Ge0
DC
Calin
Sub
Annele
iancu
n-
rob
andretimpa
kdz
w
ww
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:56:56 am
DC
kaempfer
shock
Calin
MW
And I want literally anything from these players:
iancu
Ge0
Annele
andre
kdz
And rob, don't try to get back the top post count this game, it's mine.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 07:06:32 am
Post by: killsdazombies on May 24, 2020, 07:11:32 am
Further, as for the recent inactivity, which I am aware is a less then positive for the game as a whole comes from a slightly busy weekend, and bit of a large chunk since my last check in. (Last I read we were still on page 10. Oh the memories) But don't worry, I'm back from the dead mostly. Once I'm in a slightly better headspace (Just celebrated my late birthday!) I'll hopefully be able to read up and provide an insight and opinion into the current happenings.
Side note, can I just say how i've missed the 3 page long deep dives into reads. Ya'll go hard.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 07:30:29 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 07:52:24 am
I want a full readslist from the following players:
DC
kaempfer
shock
Calin
MW
I really dont have any heavy scum reads but lll do my best
vv
serp, moe. -no reason not to believe serps claims
v
shock, kaempf -i really do belive one of them is town, if not both, but upon further review on info, could be wrong.
n
DC (really just seeing normal stuff.)
iancu ^
Calin ^
TORB^
Sub (^ for now but could change based on anticipated post)
Rob (hes fate egg. it took long enough. Could be wrong but i dont think that doesnt mean hes not mafia)
kdz (seems normal so far. need more content)
Geo (Normal. Need more content)
N-
Annele (is really justs saying enough to lay low without inactivity attention.)
Linkcat (really seems like he wants to control the game. Maybe its to start conversation maybe its O R C H E S T R A T I O N)
Andre (Just reread everything hes posted. He literally adds nothing but super soft reads and looks like hes trying to remain neutral. I dont like that)
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 08:00:33 am
Post by: Annele on May 24, 2020, 08:07:45 am
Annele - the initial approach she took to scumread me for my N0 felt awkwardly aimed at me... however, the back-down after some explanations occurred felt a little more genuine. A bit "off" feeling to me that the backdown came so easy after so much shade (as a ratio of her total posts, to those shading me). It does though seem possible this is how she approaches reads, but need to see more to feel better/stronger about reading her play.
I was undecided on your move for a while before I posted, but ultimately I came to the same conclusion as torb - having forgotten fate egg, I thought that the less unlikely answer was that you were mafia. I didn't want to go soft and let mafia get away with such a brazen move, hence the shade With fate egg in the mix, and having thought it over some more, I realised that though it's possible you're mafia, town was a lot more likely than I had assumed. I appreciate the explanation for why you chose ditto. Looking at it now, I think mafia would have chosen a target more useful to town (either one who's posting a lot or however they managed to pluck out GN), since you were bound to get heat either way.
You're way over-analyzing Ge0, he's playing exactly like someone dipping their toes back into mafia after a long time and what little content he had felt real. No reason to vote him right now.
I don't think it's necessarily overanalysing geo, geo's posts gave me the same vibe I had when playing as mafia last round. I agree no reason to vote on just yet, but I'm wary of him. andre has a similar vibe without the over-explaining lack of posting, but I completely forgot all his posts until rob mentioned him and I re-read them, which I think makes him more suspicious. I'm not sure how to read linkcat just yet but I agree with the reasoning behind it.
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I didn't vote before because of the graboid suggestion but I'd like to see what sub has to say before he's killed. There seems to be a lot to this story that I've somehow missed? I'm curious to see how much it will change.
Also hbd kdz.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 08:12:28 am
Thanks, now vote on andre with me so we can get a second wagon going.
stop trying to buddy me.
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I want read list from andre and THE post from sub. id vote both if i could until they respond.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 24, 2020, 08:55:13 am
Posting from my phone and I'm too lazy to quote the messages but:
Re: Rob calling me out
My increase in activity and attempt to read people is all in response to Link asking for more from me. Again, in all honesty, a lot of the discussion has been beyond me and I don't have strong opinions.
Re: Rob asking for my opinion on sub
This is one of those situations where I have no idea how highly I should weigh my suspicions. Do I think his posts are slightly sus? Sure. But I also thought the same of shock, and link, and serp at different times in the thread and they were vouched for by other people. Sub has his share of people saying this is normal behaviour for him and I'm inclined to agree as I don't know how he talks/plays.
I would also like to mention that I'm afraid of seeming too bandwagon-y now and so I don't want to vote? I don't know, once again - completely in over my head right now.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 09:08:10 am
v is villager, n is neutral, w is wolf. Goes from most town to least town.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 09:31:47 am
moe - I think this is quite certain
serp - As much as it pains me to say it
t
MW - based off his town reads list and what I see as softing
t-
kae - giving me good vibes in investigating plus MW seems to trust him more than is necessary based on posting alone
Link - I think based on how he discussed stuff with rob wrt to Otyugh and NK it's more likely he's town
rob - Conclusion with the least assumptions makes me think he's town, tho the alternate scenario while plausible is a bit harder to believe
n+
Annele - Pushing onto rob seems quite genuine and would be something I'd do if I were better lol
shock - if MW is town this would also make sense but he hasn't said anything productive
Sub - sounds like confused town more like it
TorB - See: Annele
n
Calindu - Good activity with what I've seen but it's all stuff that is technically useful, but doesn't really shown his opinion of others yet. Out of everyone who doesn't have a readlist would be most interested in him.
kdz - Happy birthday btw
n-
ian - not much to work of but I don't like the vote withholding.
w-
andre - sheeps rob's reads, and I feel like exposing Rob's softclaim looks sketch
Ge0 - kinda weak reads tbh. Say's that he thinks there's no way rob will shift the spotlight to him, but is his hardest scumread? I'll concede he may be trying his best though
I must admit im feel a bit outta my league especially with how fast mafia has become, but I'll do my best to not purely shitpost until I get mislynched. At this point in time I'd nullread me too.
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2020, 09:48:49 am
I already gave my somewhat short readlist here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297105/#msg1297105
I don't have much else to contribute at the moment. If you want my opinion on someone I did not include in the list, let me know and I'll take a closer look at their posts, as I'm too lazy to do that for everyone.
re: DC's "I don't like the vote withholding"
I don't have any particular scumreads at the moment, so if I were to vote, I would literally do the thing I advised against: jumping on bandwagons.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 09:54:40 am
4. You are allowed to vote for No Lynch. You are also allowed to vote for a 1 hour or 24 hour extension. The votes are counted in a separate tally and you may only do one extension per phase.
I would like to note that this is very much a thing, and between there being concerns about rulebreaking, one of the lynch candidates apparently working on the wall of walls on that topic and thus not being able to explain himself for a while and several new reads emerging as well as me myself needing more time to collect my thoughts, I think we should make use of it. in fact it's optimal for town to do that whenever possible, but I dont want to test everyones patience unnecessarily.
Post by: Calindu on May 24, 2020, 09:58:38 am
Cal - I really don't like the way he goes to policy, and bad play lynch approach in order to vote me, but reading over the stuff in his posts so far it actually reads like he really just believes that is a fair set of reasons to lynch a player (they aren't by the way). Given his replies and vote/etc. with Sub I really don't see any w/w with Sub (who is a strong scumread for me right now).
I'm not pushing to policy lynch you, I just said that if it were almost anyone else, they would get policy lynched for the play.
Here's my read list
vv
serp, moe - No reason to not believe that
v
TorB - He plays very similar to the way he played last mafia, where he flipped town, very methodical and slow, looking at hard evidence
MW - Again, he plays in a very similar fashion to the way he played town
n+
kae - Helpful to the town, plays as I would expect him to play
n
Ge0 - Not much content, don't see why others consider him suspicious though
Annele, ian, DC, kdz, shock - Have no reads on them really
n-
andretimpa - Very low content, but comes up more suspicious than others to me
Linkcat - I am really unsure how to read him, but I remember he did the same strategy when he flipped mafia too - quickly giving ideas for people to vote on to see whom are other people ok to lynch
Sub - I don't really know tbh, he plays strange, very unusual. I don't like the idea of not lynching rob/Link if they do something suspect, as it reinforces an idea that we rely on them to solve and we are ok to lose if they are mafia. However, his last few posts actually feel genuine. He would have been w before the few posts about broken rules
rob - Gives me a weird vibe all around, a big part of that is the Oty play, which makes more sense as Fate Egg, but I still don't like
w
ww
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 10:09:49 am
The fact that serprex and moehrpi might both be deja vu town. I'm reading posts like "I believe" or "I think" and other such weak sentiments. If you are going to call someone hard town or blindside them you need to be convinced.
So I will be putting on my tinfoil hat and try some angles of attack. For example:
Should have totally been the expected outcome and:What's the policy on posting sha512sum outputs for texts I might reveal later on?I'll follow Ginyu's example from last Mafia and disallow them. I'll let you off if you reveal the meaning of it now, though.
68d20623a7d31b31bb0d65d4078979ef676816ccc2bb5595d5a0ad8429ee9eeb58ecabdb42b57bf92e32440212994f5702b597713a8269ea2d720f4c790b3ece
I was pretty tempted to ragequit over no breadcrumbing, cryptography is a right, & let moe reveal it to prove he's town after I get modkilledIs missing the rage feels to me.
So now, taking the statement "serprex is deja vu alongside moehrpi" as not truth, let us focus on alternative hypotheses that I could think of:
- serprex is not deja vu, moehrpi is town. Regardless of serprex' alignment, either moehrpi or a real deja vu should deny his claim in that case. serprex will end up dead.
- serprex is not deja vu, moehrpi is mafia. The only way this could benefit serprex, is if he is also mafia. They could not have known there would not be an actual deja vu town pair and a deja vu should counter-claim if there is. Even if there is no deja vu in this game and neither of them are nightkilled for some time, it only takes a single tinfoil hat role inspector to bust two mafia in one go. The risk is too high.
- serprex is deja vu, moehrpi is town non-deja vu. This is a reaaally weird angle since I have no idea how this is supposed to help serprex, since he should not know moehrpi's alignment. I would expect a counterclaim from moehrpi here. It also means there is another town, the real paired up deja vu, that has communicated and agreed on this with serprex.
- serprex is deja vu, moehrpi is mafia. Weirdest angle you can go for. I do not see any benefit from this for town = serprex.
I mean, I'd argue there is a way, but it's not a significant probability.Oh whoops I should've made it something random since moe would be able to prove it by knowing the random phrase
Text is "DejaVu:moe,serp"
So, uh, hi
Well, this is as close as mechanically confirmed for me, since there's no way mafia risks 2 of their players to hard claim DejaVu. Someone do check them with Psion or even Endow for that matter, but it is not urgent in my opinion.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 10:20:04 am
re: DC's "I don't like the vote withholding"
I don't have any particular scumreads at the moment, so if I were to vote, I would literally do the thing I advised against: jumping on bandwagons.
I know but, and this is a host question I guess because it'll affect whether I vote or not, does the lynch occur as soon as majority is reached (so 9 people here) and hence elsewhere we have talks of 'putting people to L-1' on other forums, OR does it just check for most # of votes when deadline is over?
Assuming the latter I rather you come out with an opinion now first, even if you wagon someone else and I'll maintain NL helps no one but town. If it's the former I concede that blitzing strategies exist
I would like to note that this is very much a thing, and between there being concerns about rulebreaking, one of the lynch candidates apparently working on the wall of walls on that topic and thus not being able to explain himself for a while and several new reads emerging as well as me myself needing more time to collect my thoughts, I think we should make use of it. in fact it's optimal for town to do that whenever possible, but I dont want to test everyones patience unnecessarily.
Fuck it. At the very least I want to hear Sub and give time for kdz/Ge0 to catch up.
Extension (2) - kaempfer13, DoubleCapitals
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 10:32:25 am
re: Link's "I want anything from these players"
I already gave my somewhat short readlist here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297105/#msg1297105
I don't have much else to contribute at the moment. If you want my opinion on someone I did not include in the list, let me know and I'll take a closer look at their posts, as I'm too lazy to do that for everyone.
re: DC's "I don't like the vote withholding"
I don't have any particular scumreads at the moment, so if I were to vote, I would literally do the thing I advised against: jumping on bandwagons.
I was going to say Cal, but then he posted that beautiful readslist, so look into DC for me.
Post by: Annele on May 24, 2020, 10:32:47 am
Extension (3) - kaempfer13, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2020, 11:01:12 am
I was going to say Cal, but then he posted that beautiful readslist, so look into DC for me.
The only somewhat relevant post I could find is his scumread list
t+The only thing that this tells me is that if timpa or Ge0 turn out to be mafia, he's pretty much confirmed.
moe - I think this is quite certain
serp - As much as it pains me to say it
t
MW - based off his town reads list and what I see as softing
t-
kae - giving me good vibes in investigating plus MW seems to trust him more than is necessary based on posting alone
Link - I think based on how he discussed stuff with rob wrt to Otyugh and NK it's more likely he's town
rob - Conclusion with the least assumptions makes me think he's town, tho the alternate scenario while plausible is a bit harder to believe
n+
Annele - Pushing onto rob seems quite genuine and would be something I'd do if I were better lol
shock - if MW is town this would also make sense but he hasn't said anything productive
Sub - sounds like confused town more like it
TorB - See: Annele
n
Calindu - Good activity with what I've seen but it's all stuff that is technically useful, but doesn't really shown his opinion of others yet. Out of everyone who doesn't have a readlist would be most interested in him.
kdz - Happy birthday btw
n-
ian - not much to work of but I don't like the vote withholding.
w-
andre - sheeps rob's reads, and I feel like exposing Rob's softclaim looks sketch
Ge0 - kinda weak reads tbh. Say's that he thinks there's no way rob will shift the spotlight to him, but is his hardest scumread? I'll concede he may be trying his best though
I must admit im feel a bit outta my league especially with how fast mafia has become, but I'll do my best to not purely shitpost until I get mislynched. At this point in time I'd nullread me too.
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 11:29:51 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 11:32:32 am
I don't have anything substantial to add so here is the post count after game start:To follow this up, let us look at the count at the end of N0:
rob 13
link 8 dc 8
sub 5
www 3 serp 3
cal 2 shock 2 mw 2 ian 2 kdz 2
andre 1 nelly 1 torb 1 moe 1
kae 0 coffee 0 ge0 0
rob 17
link 12
dc 11
sub 10
torb 5 kae 5
www 4 ian 4
cal 3 mw 3 serp 3
nelly 2 moe 2 shock 2 kdz 2
ge0 1 andre 1
coffee 0
To me, the most suspicious people had exactly one post. 0 likely just means total inactivity.
So now, finally to the reads list:
vv
serprex, moehrpi - see my previous post
v
Calindu - Good posts, nice read list.
MasterWalks - The most suspicious thing, is that his play seems so much better than last mafia, where he was town.
Annele - Agree with the posts, but would prefer to see more. Read list, maybe?
n
Ge0metry v1.2 - Your argument is valid.
killsdazombies
Your argument is valid, as long as:
Linkcat - I like almost everything he says. Maybe too much so? That's why only neutral.I'll hopefully be able to read up and provide an insight and opinion into the current happenings....and we're good!
DoubleCapitals - less shitposting, more content. You're already going in the right direction with these last few posts, so keep it up.
kaempfer13 - His posts this mafia did not leave much of an impression on me, thus far. Reading them back they are all valid points, sure, but nothing stood out. Why the focus on Linkcat? Just give all the reads?
rob77dp - I disagree with the kill, but not with his conviction that it was somehow supposed to be helpful.
shockcannon - I am not even going to bother. Nothing to go on so far this mafia, but more posts probably would not help with that...
w (I could follow the n- crowd to seem less incriminating, but nah)
iancudorinmarian
I am still missing some of your reads. I want all of your reads and all of your arguments.
Add that to low amount of posts in general. We want to hear more :D
andretimpaI kinda skimmed through posts. So I guess it's time to make up my own list.I really dislike players being omitted from lists, mafia omitting mafia from these lists "because they do not have a read on them" is too easy. Simply have to call out on this.
vv - deja vu's. Impossible (?) to counterclaim
serp
moe
v
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I don't think he's mafia.
n+
TorB - similar playstyle as last time I played with him.
n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
Sub - Bad plans as usual.
n-
shock -I agree, he's too quiet. Although he could just be bored.Out of town, apparently
Fixing vote count. Also, probably not voting today.
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
Add that to low amount of posts in general. We want to hear more :D
Out of the people with exactly one post, I have seen no reasoning for inactivity other than "almost forgetting about this". In the same way, what he did post, is also kind of forgettable.
SubmachineIf they're so good, where is yours?When is the best time to post read-lists? I have at least some ideas about townsfolk, www is definitely on it.
Will try to post more frequently in the future. :P
Read lists are always good imo
You mentioned RQs, I'm not seeing any RQs. You did mention you would only do them when discussion dies down, so that's okay. In total, I'm just seeing a lot of I will statements from him, but he's not backing them up.
I am reading the roles and trying to think of strategies that are not obvious.I'm still waiting for the strategies.
- Sometimes it might be better to not do anything, because then you catch fireflies sent your way. This way, a mafia Firefly Queen can be somewhat slowed (it is still a ridiculously overpowered role in the hands of Mafia, in my opinion, it needs counter-measures).
Mind Flayers and Graboids are exceptions, because they have higher priority than Firefly Queen.
_
_- I struggle to think of acceptable situations where Warden should be used. If used on unknown, it blocks investigation. If used on Town, it blocks healing and allows Nightkill. If used on conf Mafia, it blocks Otyugh.
I guess it COULD be used to protect someone from a publicly announced Otyugh attack. Or it COULD be used to confirm the existence of roles, by asking them to target the same person. But that's it.
More later, too many people are posting.
Sh**, I almost forgot about deadline >_>You're not dead yet, follow your own advice?
Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust. :(
- Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
- Put up an RQS about how others behave when they are mafia, and ask them to provide examples. This is a good way to spot some dishonest players, or it brings attention to some stuff that puts pressure on Mafs.
- Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate, or people with more posts in general.
I am confused about several things, but I am too afraid to ask, and honestly, I don't even know where to start.Your argument is invalid. I want all the questions. Questions left unanswered can sometimes tell more than the answers themselves would.
I'll sit this phase out.
I see more people addressed me, but do excuse me if I only respond to them tomorrow. :-XPlease do, that may very well lift most suspicion. You're only standing here on the list because you're consistently failing to follow up.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2020, 11:33:48 am
Why do you say that based on a Day 1 readslist? It's really easy to throw teammates in w this early.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that fits DC's playstyle at all. He doesn't have the confidence to do such a play.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2020, 11:36:56 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 11:53:53 am
TorB, I'm not going to do a read on everyone. I simply lack the motivation to go through so many posts. If there are a few people I've omitted that you want an opinion on, feel free to ask.andre and Sub currently have the most lynch votes. You put Sub as n, so let's look at andre. Are you okay with him being lynched, or is there someone else you would prefer getting lynched?
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 12:02:06 pm
re: DC's "I don't like the vote withholding"
I don't have any particular scumreads at the moment, so if I were to vote, I would literally do the thing I advised against: jumping on bandwagons.
I know but, and this is a host question I guess because it'll affect whether I vote or not, does the lynch occur as soon as majority is reached (so 9 people here) and hence elsewhere we have talks of 'putting people to L-1' on other forums, OR does it just check for most # of votes when deadline is over?
Assuming the latter I rather you come out with an opinion now first, even if you wagon someone else and I'll maintain NL helps no one but mafia. If it's the former I concede that blitzing strategies exist
EBWOP will be back later in the night
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 12:11:21 pm
And here, DC, this is for you after that iancu post.
Post by: moehrpi on May 24, 2020, 12:14:55 pm
Oh whoops I should've made it something random since moe would be able to prove it by knowing the random phrase
Text is "DejaVu:moe,serp"
So, uh, hi
Well, this is as close as mechanically confirmed for me, since there's no way mafia risks 2 of their players to hard claim DejaVu. Someone do check them with Psion or even Endow for that matter, but it is not urgent in my opinion.shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town
Kaempfer- see shockcannons reasoning
I really think it's not a good idea to hard hint at roles this early, it puts people with power roles at risk way too early if mafia deduces out of random hints the roles.
I also don't think it is urgent. Will get to TorB's post at the end. At least there wasn't anyone to publicly counter-claim, but from my own perspective I don't see reason for anyone to doubt it. (Also, this post is a couple of pages old...)
No, it's not. If you have an information role then stay in the background and collect as much of it as possible, don't draw attention to yourself. You didn't even do anything helpful.
How not? I guess i can run around in circles with rob, you, and sub but i would rather try to provide some hard evidence. My role is not a great one but there is no reason for me to hold any information. If i die then that information goes with me.
Normally im not killed early. People see me as too disruptive to town to kill me. But with rob running around munching everthing i do not know when ill die. Might as well get out what i can while i can. If it paints a target, then so be it. My role is not important enough that ill probably save the NK from someone more important if i do get hit with it.
Now, i want your full list of reads. Youve been highly active with an opinion on everything said (nothing out of the ordinary), so lets see your info in basic form.
It's disruptive as mafia info roles have a much easier job. But your claim makes for some nice town reads imo.
I kinda skimmed through posts. So I guess it's time to make up my own list.
vv - deja vu's. Impossible (?) to counterclaim
serp
moe
v
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I don't think he's mafia.
n+
TorB - similar playstyle as last time I played with him.
n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
Sub - Bad plans as usual.
n-
shock -I agree, he's too quiet. Although he could just be bored.Out of town, apparently
Fixing vote count. Also, probably not voting today.
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
Nothing special here. One of the first read lists. I liked that it mostly included town-leans which is the same way I see people especially early on: either towny or neutral-controversial / neutral-inconspicuous.
One thing to add, from the initial shade on rob I saw, to the epiphany of the nature of his secondary role I slowly find the way back to the idea that he could have pulled the same thing off as mafia. It is a plausible play. // Unfortunately, I don't recall who also pointed this out (way later). Quickly skimming over some posts didn't help me find it. Getting slightly overwhelmed with the amount of input, sorry. :(
so basically we regard moe, shock, serp as confirmed and either watch in horror as the mafia kills them 1 by 1 or try to solve the game while they are still around. Pretty wastefull to make that public this early, but it does make our PoE a lot smaller.
I will be very very surprised is mafia kills shock. Shock helps mafia more alive than dead.
Moe and serp while can be "considered as town confirmed" dont have ultra powerful roles and would be killed just beacuse they are our "confirmed" town, which honestly helps us since their roles werent going to and the NK is saved from more important people.
i dont think we should hard confirm anybody. We should just keep this information in mind when voting and discussing. serp could be lying, we havent even got confirmation from Moe and i dont think he should confirm.
My question is, is Lynching rob the best move (honest question)? If he flips town, almost all conversations this phase were a waste and we lose a powerful role, whether that be oty or egg.
If we dont lynch rob, who do we lynch? doing a no lynch is probably the worst thing we can do, and we need some pretty hard evidence to get everyone to jump on a different lynch.
The only way for me not to confirm it is by calling out serp or going AWOL. ;)
But I agree that kae that confirmed town make a juicy NK target. :o
Honestly I like Link the least right now. Feels to me like he's shooting down any semblance of a read that doesnt fit his narrative and tries to sow the seed of doubt wherever he can. also I'm getting the feeling that his amusement with every single important town power role being revealed before the game has even started properly is actually genuine (joy at how easy this was) rather than a vet who has given up hope on people handling power roles properly.
In the last mafia where he wasnt nearly as active he made a bunch of pretty confident townreads at this stage, rather than keeping all options open for a potential lynch later.
Very interesting perspective that opened my eyes. Great input! (This time generic praise for a person is not to me mistaken for breadcrumbing. :P)
I thought I remembered some credo that early read lists weren't all that great. But reading further this doesn't seem to be the case. :/
Anyway, Link emphatically asking for my read list (after I mentioned it first) and the memeing struck me a bit weird, but not in a scummy way.
Switching my vote from rob to Sub until he can offer something more than a cliffhanger. Also makes it so the tally isn't so far back
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
Ultimately I'm going to vote for whomever moe votes for, since he has a better read on this than I do
I am not sure I agree with this. But for the current vote I agree with what Ge0 said that he has to take other people's word for Sub's behaviour. I also think I mentioned it in another mafia: I first spectated mafia on this forums when Sub was mafia and had an early read on him. The second mafia the same happened and he was town. So, I rather refrain from putting too much thought into him.
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Read below please. I fancy a vote on Sub or Ge0, but stronger read right now on Sub (again, read all below please)
Ge0 - you going to vote Sub? What's your read on him, and/or reaction to my read on Sub??
v+
serp
moe
v-
kae - he has had some takes that come across as real solving attempts that fit the stage of the game
shock - a few reasons... I'm a tad uncomfortable typing them directly here
v--
MW - his posting today reads like a person really trying to think through the game... like he is typing in the thread without having had other conversations (as a scum would likely be doing in a scum chat). For example, I feel confident that the scum this game would not post in here without being up to speed on the rob-N0-coffee-shot and how Oty works etc (this post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297108/#msg1297108) leans me a town direction from MW)
n+
DC - basically only $#@!posting so far... which I recall from past DC/q games is NAI
kdz - not even enough content to remember he is playing unless I'm looking at the player list
n-
timpa - very blaise posting so far, minimally at that. I know he has a mind and capability to exceed his input / solving so far and if town I expect to see it. scum timpa could be simply put off by not needing to solve so lacking WIM. These are VERY loose aspects to read from, hence some negative comments but just an n- read.
Link - see my prior wall post... seems a bit more likely to not be his more solve-y town Link. still miles to go to develop this though
iancu - the incomplete reads list, he did mention only skimming but the omission of a few players with plenty of posts and more than some he DID read pings my senses (he omitted kae and MW??)
Cal - I really don't like the way he goes to policy, and bad play lynch approach in order to vote me, but reading over the stuff in his posts so far it actually reads like he really just believes that is a fair set of reasons to lynch a player (they aren't by the way). Given his replies and vote/etc. with Sub I really don't see any w/w with Sub (who is a strong scumread for me right now).
w-
Annele - the initial approach she took to scumread me for my N0 felt awkwardly aimed at me... however, the back-down after some explanations occurred felt a little more genuine. A bit "off" feeling to me that the backdown came so easy after so much shade (as a ratio of her total posts, to those shading me). It does though seem possible this is how she approaches reads, but need to see more to feel better/stronger about reading her play.
Torb - I find his initial push on me to be stronger than his reasons would/should normally portend, that is a bit like he set out wanting to scumread me and then filled in the take/read. looking forward to reading his posts/reads following some of the posting that has gone on today. from today and re-reading he and I's exchanges I could see this possibly being a v/v clash of style or misunderstood statements/actions (that is, he seemed in a re-read genuinely upset I had not fleshed out my reasoning or further detailed my N0 action process... I have since done that and look forward to seeing how he reacts to it, if he does) to say it a different way-- perhaps he is a very mechanical player who wants to be able to understand how other players make somewhat important game decisions and as of yet he hasn't arrived at that point with me+N0
w+
Ge0 - talking about how caught up he is (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296938/#msg1296938); more talk about why he might appear to not be playing/solving much (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297048/#msg1297048) and a way wish-washy meandering around his read on me at a time when it felt in the thread (at least to me) like I might become a wagon - like he wants to hedge why he jumps on later should I become a good ML target; suddenly has townreads on the Deja-claiming duo (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297095/#msg1297095) and having gone from thinking my play is likely towny because he "can't help but think that there's no way Rob would draw so much attention to him right off the bat if he was scum" to voting me as scummy b/c of that same misplay and because I gave scumreads of Annele/Serp/TorB???
^-- I find all of these things at least a bit scummy or more.
Sub - reading the thread and Sub's posts I get a sense of wolf-losing-WIM due to 'reasons', whereas the last part of today I get a sense in the thread of things developing that might actually benefit town simultaneous with Sub losing his Want-It-More (WIM).
Nice catch on MW that strenghtens my read on him.
You fire up the propaganda train on andre which gained traction. I guess I have to reread this development...
Please don't hit on TorB to much. If I had been more active I also would have voiced strong concern for your play before I thought it through. He's not the only one. You later mentioned v/v issues / different perseptive / something along those lines. I'd love to see you both let it go. (Same for your perspective on Nelly and serp to a certain point)
Yor criticism on Ge0 can be explained by lack of activity, reading pages on end and adopting others' opinions. Not ideal play but once he found something he feels a bit more strongly about he did voice his opinion. I don't find it suspicious.
Torb - I find his initial push on me to be stronger than his reasons would/should normally portend, that is a bit like he set out wanting to scumread me and then filled in the take/read. looking forward to reading his posts/reads following some of the posting that has gone on today. from today and re-reading he and I's exchanges I could see this possibly being a v/v clash of style or misunderstood statements/actions (that is, he seemed in a re-read genuinely upset I had not fleshed out my reasoning or further detailed my N0 action process... I have since done that and look forward to seeing how he reacts to it, if he does) to say it a different way-- perhaps he is a very mechanical player who wants to be able to understand how other players make somewhat important game decisions and as of yet he hasn't arrived at that point with me+N0Elementary, my dear rob. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
I could see no possible situation in which this is a good call for town, I could see a very unlikely situation where this would benefit mafia. Therefore, you must be mafia.
With that said, I will believe your own conviction of this being a good move (or at the very least acceptable), which is indeed more credible with Fate Egg. Even if I still disagree with this move.
Regretting a town died or being sorry about it is useless. The idea is that you regret the decision and would agree not to make the same decision again if faced with identical circumstances. Not doing so matches up nicely with the previous statement. If you were half-hearted about it, you should never have made a move like that to begin with.
Will look over all this juicy info and get my thoughts out on all the people now that I'm semi-done tunneling (in ~3 hours).
I fully agree with TorB's point on regret. I also had issues (pointed out in my previous post) with your argument that hitting mafia would be great, weakening your main argument.
However, I need to defend rob here. As he himself pointed out before any Fate Egg talk he repeatedly wanted a discussion about the liability of inactive players because he was on a timer. Everyone else ignored it as there was little to nothing to go on. He made a judgement call that did not pay off. Wasting an ability feels bad, one might expect more from rob, but him feeling left alone in this decision possibly contributed to the outcome. Some sort of defiant reaction / feeling of impotence to get lazy town on their asses and discuss important things because there still too many uncertanties combined with his general disliking of low-activity play and maybe even the rules. Sounds very reasonable to me as opposed to calculated play from mafia where he 'doesn't get killed anyway' and Fate Egg claim gets him out of the wood. /psychoanalysis
For context, I haven't played a text based mafia game since the last one played here. I'm afraid I'm a bit out of my depth at this point. So if you expect plays of any kind, sadly you'll have to find that elsewhere.
Further, as for the recent inactivity, which I am aware is a less then positive for the game as a whole comes from a slightly busy weekend, and bit of a large chunk since my last check in. (Last I read we were still on page 10. Oh the memories) But don't worry, I'm back from the dead mostly. Once I'm in a slightly better headspace (Just celebrated my late birthday!) I'll hopefully be able to read up and provide an insight and opinion into the current happenings.
Side note, can I just say how i've missed the 3 page long deep dives into reads. Ya'll go hard.
Happy birthday! I always like to see people actively contributing.
4. You are allowed to vote for No Lynch. You are also allowed to vote for a 1 hour or 24 hour extension. The votes are counted in a separate tally and you may only do one extension per phase.
I would like to note that this is very much a thing, and between there being concerns about rulebreaking, one of the lynch candidates apparently working on the wall of walls on that topic and thus not being able to explain himself for a while and several new reads emerging as well as me myself needing more time to collect my thoughts, I think we should make use of it. in fact it's optimal for town to do that whenever possible, but I dont want to test everyones patience unnecessarily.
I also believe that the time for ou to mention it the first time was well chosen. Get the idea out there, see how it unfolds and if others feel right at the end of the day we can extend. Sub's promised post is a great reason for it, too.
Clarification: Deja Vu is (at this point) always town.
Alright, so a list of reads soon. But first, I want to focus on something more important:
The fact that serprex and moehrpi might both be deja vu town. I'm reading posts like "I believe" or "I think" and other such weak sentiments. If you are going to call someone hard town or blindside them you need to be convinced.
So I will be putting on my tinfoil hat and try some angles of attack. For example:Should have totally been the expected outcome and:What's the policy on posting sha512sum outputs for texts I might reveal later on?I'll follow Ginyu's example from last Mafia and disallow them. I'll let you off if you reveal the meaning of it now, though.
68d20623a7d31b31bb0d65d4078979ef676816ccc2bb5595d5a0ad8429ee9eeb58ecabdb42b57bf92e32440212994f5702b597713a8269ea2d720f4c790b3eceI was pretty tempted to ragequit over no breadcrumbing, cryptography is a right, & let moe reveal it to prove he's town after I get modkilledIs missing the rage feels to me.
So now, taking the statement "serprex is deja vu alongside moehrpi" as not truth, let us focus on alternative hypotheses that I could think of:With this, we indeed reach Calindu's conclusion of:
- serprex is not deja vu, moehrpi is town. Regardless of serprex' alignment, either moehrpi or a real deja vu should deny his claim in that case. serprex will end up dead.
- serprex is not deja vu, moehrpi is mafia. The only way this could benefit serprex, is if he is also mafia. They could not have known there would not be an actual deja vu town pair and a deja vu should counter-claim if there is. Even if there is no deja vu in this game and neither of them are nightkilled for some time, it only takes a single tinfoil hat role inspector to bust two mafia in one go. The risk is too high.
- serprex is deja vu, moehrpi is town non-deja vu. This is a reaaally weird angle since I have no idea how this is supposed to help serprex, since he should not know moehrpi's alignment. I would expect a counterclaim from moehrpi here. It also means there is another town, the real paired up deja vu, that has communicated and agreed on this with serprex.
- serprex is deja vu, moehrpi is mafia. Weirdest angle you can go for. I do not see any benefit from this for town = serprex.
I mean, I'd argue there is a way, but it's not a significant probability.Oh whoops I should've made it something random since moe would be able to prove it by knowing the random phrase
Text is "DejaVu:moe,serp"
So, uh, hi
Well, this is as close as mechanically confirmed for me, since there's no way mafia risks 2 of their players to hard claim DejaVu. Someone do check them with Psion or even Endow for that matter, but it is not urgent in my opinion.
Not sure how much into detail I should go here as writing is tiresome and in his next post he put serp and me under vv. Also not going to look at his latest allegations of Sub too closely now. But I am a great fan of his devil's advocate approach. (quoted post)
Put an explanation for this play is so if either of us dies without a prior claim the other one can escape from the mob's clutches easily.
town reads:
serp
moe
torb
mw (his backpedal on his read/verification on shock is worrysome, though) didn't make a new list
rob
kae
Sorry for this vey brief list(, TorB). I will try hard to bring some own points to the discussion before end of the day. And also for taking the discussion back several pages in some cases.
MW, why the newfound uncertainty about shock?
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 12:38:45 pm
Moe, I don't remember you mentioning a readslist, but if I had I would have called you out anyway since it didn't exist yet.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 24, 2020, 01:41:10 pm
re: DC's "I don't like the vote withholding"
I don't have any particular scumreads at the moment, so if I were to vote, I would literally do the thing I advised against: jumping on bandwagons.
I know but, and this is a host question I guess because it'll affect whether I vote or not, does the lynch occur as soon as majority is reached (so 9 people here) and hence elsewhere we have talks of 'putting people to L-1' on other forums, OR does it just check for most # of votes when deadline is over?
Assuming the latter I rather you come out with an opinion now first, even if you wagon someone else and I'll maintain NL helps no one but town. If it's the former I concede that blitzing strategies exist
The latter is correct, the day will not end before deadline. Extensions will happen only if at least 50% of the players alive vote for them.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2020, 01:54:42 pm
I wouldn't be opposed to a timpa lynch tbh. He didn't really contribute much except for a small poke at rob. Although I don't necessarily scumread him (timpa), I'm still against no-lynch as a concept. So unless timpa comes up with something, I would probably place him at "n-".TorB, I'm not going to do a read on everyone. I simply lack the motivation to go through so many posts. If there are a few people I've omitted that you want an opinion on, feel free to ask.andre and Sub currently have the most lynch votes. You put Sub as n, so let's look at andre. Are you okay with him being lynched, or is there someone else you would prefer getting lynched?
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
Post by: Calindu on May 24, 2020, 02:10:26 pm
Do you think andre is the only one lower than n if you were to make a full list with everyone included?
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2020, 02:25:03 pm
Not sure if you meant to vote there, ian, since you included a vote count.No, I didn't mean to vote, just had it copied, last vote was a while ago.
Do you think andre is the only one lower than n if you were to make a full list with everyone included?
I guess. No one really strikes me as unusual as of yet.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 03:37:03 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 03:42:21 pm
(color=darkslateblue) If the info everyone has shared so far is truthful, then I'm pretty sure at least 4 players know I'm not the mafia.By that point, iancu and www rolled a dice, rob, kdz, Calindu, serprex, and Annele commented about the dicerolls, I mentioned not reading my role, and DC, kdz, rob, and Linkcat responded to my not reading role. Nothing else was shared in topic. Based on everything that has been shared at that point, I see no way to extrapolate shock's alignment, who hasn't even posted up until that point. At first I assumed he was talking about the mafia, but considering the very next post, I questioned whether he has more information than we see. (not immediately, it took some time)
(color=springgreen) Yet, this may not be enough to convince some of you thicker skulled common folk.
(color=alicewhite) So I propose a game where I share a little bit about myself to gain trust.
(also used: color=teal)
Maybe it was a joke about dicerolls being legit reads? Ian and www rolled dices, kdz joked about one of the dicerolls being true, but that would be still only 3 players and not 4. And why would he want to convince anyone about a joke? He is not Deja Vu, so it cannot be that. He did not use any ability either.
He also uses some specific color codes. Breadcrumbs? I spent some time trying to figure out what it could mean, but did not find too much.
- If you read together the second letter of the used colors, it reads APLE. That does not hint at anything.
- If you read together the third letter of the used colors in reverse, it reads AIRR. Is he a Dragonfly or a Firefly Queen?
- No other combination stood out for me.
you all seem desperately hungry for your mind games and unfortunately, I am one to fuel the flame, even if the flame is on my own body.
Shock's playstyle is to play like shock. There is nothing more to it. If you try to dig deeper than this, you will only descend into madness. Madness and mislynches.Or maybe Link is right about him. With shock, it can go either way. Moving on.
Warden doesn't roleblock anymore so it's fine to use on whoever you want. Burrow and Divine Shield are up to the user.not entirely true. It still blocks everyone who targets the same person, including the occasional Golden Nymph. Personally, I still advise against using it.
I struggle to think of acceptable situations where Warden should be used. If used on unknown, it blocks investigation. If used on Town, it blocks healing and allows Nightkill. If used on conf Mafia, it blocks Otyugh.
I guess it COULD be used to protect someone from a publicly announced Otyugh attack. Or it COULD be used to confirm the existence of roles, by asking them to target the same person. But that's it.
Would Warden not fall under the same logic as Anubis? You are blocking all secondary abilities in both cases, even if Warden does it for only one turn, but with the added benefit of learning what roles you blocked. You can block Golden Nymph from investigating someone this way.No. There's not that high a chance you block a town Psion or Dragonfly, and if you do, you're just trading one piece of information for another. You can avoid blocking Heal by just not targeting the obvious Heal/NK targets. The only role you really have to worry about blocking is GN, but there's only one of those and you have a much higher chance of stopping a mafia member's ability as long as you target a strong townread.
In that case, yeah, I agree it can be used for information.I don't get Link's and ian's reasoning to accept Wardening on Night 0.
"You can avoid blocking Heal by just not targeting the obvious Heal/NK targets."
If the Heal target is obvious every night, the mafia just targets someone else. That is why Healers try to subvert expectations to get the chance of actually blocking a NK. Healers should only focus on obvious NK targets when someone is confirmed, or is relevant for a plan. None of which we had on Night 0.
"The only role you really have to worry about blocking is GN, but there's only one of those and you have a much higher chance of stopping a mafia member's ability as long as you target a strong townread."
We should worry more about blocking GN than encouraging the small chance to mess with a mafia ability. Well, not now, but it was true on Night 0. It was only 2 games ago that a Warden blocking GN cost Town the game, surely Link did not forget. And what Mafia abilities can a Warden block?
- [Offensive] Freeze, in which case, blocking it only gives 1 day advantage to use a role.
- [Offensive] Obsession, which is only ever a problem if the user dies, not the target.
- [Offensive] Poison and Devour, which would be good to prevent, but if Mafia wants the target dead, they might use a Nightkill instead, and Warden would block the Healer.
- [Informative] Psion, which would assume, the target is hard/soft confirmed without his role being known, and at that point, only Mafia would use this role on him. So, I have nothing against this.
- [Informative] Dragonfly, which is as much a Town utility as a Mafia utility (it interests both factions who targets the player), and would block the two equally.
- [Other] Other mafia abilities are pointless to block.
So why do Link and ian believe that blocking these mafia roles outweigh the off-chance of blocking the GN?
I don't remember which mafia it was, but I remember being Fate Egg, rolling into Golden Nymph and being blocked by warden. And as fate would have it, I would've investigated a mafia member, I think it was Root.Note: The Warden targeted Root, not ian.
The role did not change enough to prevent the same from happening. The same mechanic that messed up the Town is still active. But sure, use it?
This came off to me as a slight hint to drive Wardens into action right away.
edit:
Not voting is good while you agree with the tally. Gives a wide net for who could be graboid. Even if GN is off the table, there's still nice roles out there like Psion & FFQ. Let mafia have to risk missing on graboid if they want to go after the no-vote crowd
Serp, your logic is good, but in mafia it's far more valuable to have hard voting data with competing trains than to have some chance of mafia missing an ability.So Link DOES believe there are some actions that are not worth to do to make mafia miss an ability. But potentially blocking the Golden Nymph is not one of them? I do not agree with these priorities.
These were during Night 0, so things were tame. Then Day 1 began.
Feels bad. But at least I feel like I have much better feel about how players think this time, so I'm somewhat confident we can still do this through legitimate solving.Maybe I don't understand how kaempf has a much better feel of players because of the lack of context. @kae: Were you talking about all players, specific players, or about how the Mafia thinks? I read back everything that was before this post, and I find not enough things of relevance. Which players, or which factions did you get a better feel of? I want to solve too, but if you make unexplained comments, you just confuse me.
I clearly hinted at my pending action.I already compiled all hints I could find (here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297014/#msg1297014)), but here's it again.
Anything at all going to come from Coffee? Coffee- do plan to just inactive three phases and be MK again? Like a bad lunch, inactive doesn't sit well with me. At least all others have "check-in posted" this phase.....
What is the prevailing thought on inactives? I tried to start up that discussion but it got no traction yet...
It’s N0, there is no inactives so soon. 10 pages on N0, when we have no information, imagine
www-
Disagree... You're meaning to argue the definition of inactive not to be able to blanket state there are no inactives on a N0. We have plenty of discussion happening about rule usage ideas so it seems pertinent to be interested in whether we expect all players are present and paying attention. No?
You hinted at being at odds with Coffee's activity. You did not hint offensive action against Coffee, or having an action like that, or using it on Night 0. You did say later that using "lunch" instead of "lynch" was a hint of having Otyugh, but you also said "clearly hinted". This hint was not clear, and you only hinted at your role, not that you plan to use it, or that you will act on Coffee.
This is not a perspective on your action, but a perspective of the way you wanted others to perceive your action.
If rob was maf here he made a terrible play. he killed an inactive player that couldnt even be arsed to protect himself with his role and dragged a lot of attention to himself while also reducing our PoE and losing his ability to make a more promaf kill later.
I guess i could have botched the ISO on coffee?What does PoE and ISO stand for? I don't visit MU enough to know. These terminologies should be explained.
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitalsFoS?
throwing my vote here then until MW responds to him seemingly FoSing ian (the gaslight comment) for what I can tell was just N0 banter
LMAO W3 GET FUCKEDWhat the- I am not a big fan off www either, but between "LOL" and "F**K", my reaction was "F**K" when I first saw it. :-\
TOTALLY WORTH LOSING GN
Rude, I'm a huge w3 fan. :(And with that, the question was shrugged off.
First off, roleplay detected.
Second off, wat (https://azalaza.hu/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/wat.jpg). Link's two reactions do not add up to me.
Is it not worth looking at a game where rob was mafia? To me, it seems like Kae cannot find that game, and he would want to see it for himself, either to catch up with Link's knowledge about rob, or to find something that Link didn't.Not worth the time, that statement applies to anyone that's good.Quote from: LinkcatLink, you seem pretty concerned and knowledgeable about rob's ability for theater. Can you link me to a game where he did that earlier?A non w/w read is not a townread.I guess that's a compliment to my scum-bility?Pretty shit read, rob is perfectly capable of bantering with teammates like this.DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this
It feels like a rather loose reason to townread me, no? Hmm
Surely Link got his information about rob somewhere. Somewhere written. If it was in a private chat or a deleted Titanpad, then the correct response would be "It's of no use" and not "Not worth the time". "Not worth the time" implies the game exists somewhere, but Link thinks it is pointless to look into it. Maybe it IS pointless, but I don't see why yet.
Lucky for him, mafia was actually intelligent and chose a great NK target, going for the group of players right below the juiciest targets.Link is knowledgeable about who are good targets for Mafia. The mafia target lines up with how Link thinks. I put this here in case I develop a suspicion on Linkcat by the end of this.
I did not respond yet, but yes, I was in a hurry and I did not have the leisure to cover all exceptions and special cases. I am putting less rush and more thinking into this one. If that bad point still has relevance, I'm game to discuss it.I think it reads like Sub could be trying to imitate his prior games where I've seen him do things like not read a role pm (seriously?) and make before-I-die town plans\please etc. But it seems either rushed (eh could be I suppose) or disingenuous that I currently read scummy enough to get a vote.Like iancu said, it's just normal Sub stuff, and it was rushed, he literally said he almost forgot the deadline.
I put this here for later reference.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297014/#msg1297014
Rob already used this kind of breadcrumbing. Pick something else. xD If you end up being an Egg too, using the same breadcrumbing that rob used before he revealed it, I will call shenanigans. And since I believe you were neither Deja Vu nor breaking the rules, the remaining explanations are Mafia Chat and extreme coincidence.I performed a Night 1 shot as Town in Mafia 50. I can relate.1. To be fair, there was a mafia egging you on to make that kill. ;)
If you are not both eggs, ignore this part.
Yeah, because that's exactly what scum do is that last statement: kill someone knowing it will be revealed they did it just to pull the spotlight into myself.I missed this post before I made my first confusion post. This confirms that rob could have devoured Coffee with either alignment. But ultimately it sucks for me, because I was the one not paying enough attention.
TorB brought up valid points about rob, but then rob responded like so:
Sooo, you're saying that you think I might be a wolf because I made a play with a negative town outcome to draw spotlight on myself expecting people here to think I'm too smart too be that dumb as a wolf and thereby townread a wolf--rob for it?The part in yellow translates to me as: "There's no way I could think of such elaborate strategy!", which is either self-praise or dismissing his own ability to create such theater. None of which seem honest.
Lol there's no way that is a real thought? From my position, that feels quite fabricated... Keeping my vote where it is. Let's say you could vote - would you be voting me right now
Linking back to kaempfer's question to Linkcat about giving past examples of rob being Mafia, I just remembered the time where rob was Mafia, and he goaded Town into lynching me. It was Linkcat's closed mafia setup, roleplay involved. I did not follow the game after my death, out of salt, but it can be of use for others.
I saw a few others who made valid points against rob (TorB, serp, Link, Annele), and now that my townread on him loosened a bit, I can agree with them.
I need to re-evaluate my reads on rob after this.
@Rob: During Night 0, did you see benefit in your plan even if Coffee was Town? Because as the conversations drag on, you seem to forget bringing that up in your defense.
edit: Note to self: In rob's defense, if he was truthful about it, he was in need of sleep (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297046/#msg1297046) and he was typing all that from phone.
And now we have come to this.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297036/#msg1297036
Shockcannon, after only one night, is certain kaempfer is Town. We had foreshadowing during Night 0.
Soon after shock's latter post, we have this:
Shockcannon, after only one night, is certain kaempfer is Town. We had foreshadowing during Night 0.
There's a high probability kaempfer13 is involved with my plans for tonight.
Soon after shock's latter post, we have this:
i agree with shocks last message
This is to be continued. I need to elaborate why this ended up as confusing.
I wanted to respond to this too.Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
What? I agree that we should not punish activity, but in the same time, why should we look the other way when it comes to rob or Link? Are we really that useless without them that we are ok with losing on the spot if they are mafia? From this, all I get is that if you are mafia, they have a higher chance of being too, and same the other way around.But I also wanted to imply that I only want to keep these people alive "longer", but not indefinitely. Hopefully, by the endgame, all town with lower activity is cleared out by either making them contribute more or by executing them.
Again, activity good, inactivity bad, but this type of behaviour is frustrating to play with casually. Even when I feel like I'm contributing and being fairly active, it seems like it's not enough for everyone and I'm berated for it. Let's just not execute people on the spot because they don't have a bazillion posts, ok?
"why should we look the other way when it comes to rob or Link?"
Do not look the other way, just appreciate the discussion they spark. I could have said kaempfer or shock too, but in this game, Link and rob have been the most vocal. And according to moe (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296931/#msg1296931), DoubleCapitals too, but I overlooked him somehow.
"Are we really that useless without them that we are ok with losing on the spot if they are mafia?"
With a clear head, I now understand what you mean. I did not want to imply that everyone else is less useful than them, if it came off that way, I apologize for that.
My message was supposed to be, if there are indeed people who are undeniably less useful than the voice catalysts, AND if killing them would significantly drop the discussion rate, then that is the time to NOT lynch them for attracting outrage. I acknowledge that exceptions may occur, as always, but I intended this as a guideline, and not as a rule of thumb.
"this type of behaviour is frustrating to play with casually. Even when I feel like I'm contributing and being fairly active, it seems like it's not enough for everyone and I'm berated for it. Let's just not execute people on the spot because they don't have a bazillion posts, ok?"
I am putting myself in your stead to see your point of view, and I see now where I was not clear enough. By low-activity people, I do not mean people with the least posts, but in fact, the people with the least contributions. A silent power role can come out at the end of the game to reveal all her information in one post, which puts her in a more powerful position than the high-poster who has only been townread because of his behavior. And a high-poster can have equal useful contributions as a low-poster, if he's been shitposting all the time. I listed two, but there are other cases where the contributions matter, not the post count.
I want to ask, does this help you understand my point of view better?
This reads like a wikiHow, reaction included:What is the message you were trying to convey with those series of quotes, and how is it a WikiHow? I read it as a buildup for your case about Linkcat's conclusion, but then quoting MW feels out of place. I feel like I am missing a lesson from the buildup.All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason ::)
I think ian is gaslighting here. He is trying to get me to tunnel on him. People wont believe me if i say to lynch him since they will think its because of this comment. This is sketchy.
How to not have people think you're trying to lynch someone on a grudge.
Step 1: Give any kind of reasoning for your push.
Step 2: If your reasoning is solidly countered, withdraw your push.
Step 3: Don't use words like gaslighting incorrectly.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: ProfitNow I can get to the Devour. Now, when I saw this, I wasn't that surprised that rob went for it, but I still facepalmed because THIS IS NOT MU, ROB. PEOPLE HERE HAVE LIVES. Also, it was Night 0, the least important phase of the game to be active in. He's in college, he could be having finals or something. It's not that uncommon for people to be afk for a couple days here, that's why our modkill system is more lenient than some other places. And, by the way, we have that modkill system for a reason. If you had held off just one Night like a reasonable person, then there would've been no point in killing him Night 1, since he would die anyway, and you would save a powerful ability, unless he had just made like 1 post in which case Devouring him would be justified.
If rob is town, his reasoning is that he was very likely to be an early NK target, so he better use his ability while he can, and there was a reasonable enough target, not realizing that such a move on this forum would draw him a lot of shade and waste time on Day 1 we could be better using to find the mafia. Lucky for him, mafia was actually intelligent and chose a great NK target, going for the group of players right below the juiciest targets.
If rob is mafia, his reasoning is that there is a certain point in the game where vigging a scumread is reasonable enough to not be that sus, and he was very likely to be investigated early on and not get to use his ability, which is a very strong one to have as mafia and not usually one you want to waste early. He would also have to believe that Coffee would actually become active, otherwise his ability would be wasted.
Analysis: Killing inactives with roles is a generally good practice, but rob super jumped the gun on it and its kind of a bad play as either alignment, but worse as town and I expect better play from rob. Slight scum read.I clearly hinted at my pending action. I can almost guarantee inactivity becomes a magnet for scum to aim at it the inactive is town. If an inactive is scum then they can share by doing nothing. So I essentially vigged the lone inactive. Sadly they were town, but now we can actually work towards solving the game instead of debating a zero poster who was also, I might add, an inactivity modkill a year ago in their prior elements mafia participation. I DID NOT TAKE THE PLANNING OF MY ACTION LIGHTLY. Anyone want to discuss it further I'm game. Voting me ONLY because of that is inane (serp? Care to give your read of me and not just the makes hour?)How Sub would know we'd both be alive? TMI? I like that observation Link. Care to start a wagon as what develops? I do.
Serp why ian? And 3 vultures - what's the import?
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
No, it's straight up bad advice, which you should have recognized. Stop trying to buddy me.To those wondering out loud or still to themselves... I think Link is right, I'm still probably within my range as either alignment so far this game. Also struggling to get in a mindset that seems to fit with role madness game type- I'm much more at home vanilla setups.
Need players to post more or have some sort of content to parse and try to read\analyze. Feels like plenty of straw grasping so far.
COULD REALLY USE MORE PLAYERS posting reads of my play so far... Other than www3 dying N0 as town cop it is there most eventful action so far...
Also I think Linkcats conclusion doesnt really make sense. He talks about a certain point of the game when using devour is safe to do as scum (apparently that's immediately), while also giving an equally plausible scenario where rob is town. As mafia doesnt get nk'ed his entire argument hinges on rob being so afraid of being investigated that he expected to get lynched day 1 and thus used his ability on the least valuable target, simply because its the only he could justify (especially considering that these types of things probably are discussed in maf chat, at least one of which should recognize that coffee was likely to get mk'ed anyway thus making robs ability completely useless)?
I have been writing this post for almost 6 hours now, and there are still 10 pages left I wanted to in-depth talk about!!!
I will not be ready before my death if I keep going, so have a preview.~
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2020, 03:43:42 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 03:44:42 pm
Extension (4) - kaempfer13, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Submachine
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 03:45:59 pm
Extension (5) - kaempfer13, DoubleCapitals, Annele, iancudorinmarian, Submachine
You ninja Kakashi you. :P
Post by: Calindu on May 24, 2020, 03:53:17 pm
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 04:03:12 pm
oh well here they are
rip www3, coffee
confirmed serp, moe
v torb, masterwalks, geo
n+ shock, link, sub
n ian, ann, kdz, dc
n- cal, kae
w rob, timpa
People who talk about "genuineness" of posts lose credibility with me. In particular I didn't like kae's "Linkcat is sus" post. He'd probably be n for me if that post hadn't happened
I think rob's a scummy egg fwiw, reasons based on info outside of devour action. Basically we're positionally at odds, which means that if rob isn't scum then my reads are bad, so lynching him at least gets info on where my reads are
PS I won't be voting for extension, I enjoy time pressure
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 04:17:16 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 04:34:20 pm
I was going to say Cal, but then he posted that beautiful readslist, so look into DC for me.
The only somewhat relevant post I could find is his scumread list...The only thing that this tells me is that if timpa or Ge0 turn out to be mafia, he's pretty much confirmed.
@ian, would you say this about anyone else with the same reads with regards to these 2 as I do?
And here, DC, this is for you after that iancu post.
That I should hold back on my vote/keep quiet? OR stop badgering ian re: his own lack of voting?
Why do you say that based on a Day 1 readslist? It's really easy to throw teammates in w this early.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that fits DC's playstyle at all. He doesn't have the confidence to do such a play.
To play devil's advocate, if I'm mafia and trying to bus my teammates, I'll have said teammates to help me pull such a move off. I'll concede that a solo DC might not be able to pull off that bus with confidence though. Probably.
Process of Elimination, Isolation (scrutinizing 1 person's posts), Finger of Suspicion
What does PoE and ISO stand for? I don't visit MU enough to know. These terminologies should be explained.
FoS?
Yeah, because that's exactly what scum do is that last statement: kill someone knowing it will be revealed they did it just to pull the spotlight into myself.I missed this post before I made my first confusion post. This confirms that rob could have devoured Coffee with either alignment. But ultimately it sucks for me, because I was the one not paying enough attention.
TorB brought up valid points about rob, but then rob responded like so:Sooo, you're saying that you think I might be a wolf because I made a play with a negative town outcome to draw spotlight on myself expecting people here to think I'm too smart too be that dumb as a wolf and thereby townread a wolf--rob for it?
Lol there's no way that is a real thought? From my position, that feels quite fabricated... Keeping my vote where it is. Let's say you could vote - would you be voting me right now
The part in yellow translates to me as: "There's no way I could think of such elaborate strategy!", which is either self-praise or dismissing his own ability to create such theater. None of which seem honest.
Linking back to kaempfer's question to Linkcat about giving past examples of rob being Mafia, I just remembered the time where rob was Mafia, and he goaded Town into lynching me. It was Linkcat's closed mafia setup, roleplay involved. I did not follow the game after my death, out of salt, but it can be of use for others.
I saw a few others who made valid points against rob (TorB, serp, Link, Annele), and now that my townread on him loosened a bit, I can agree with them.
I need to re-evaluate my reads on rob after this.
@Rob: During Night 0, did you see benefit in your plan even if Coffee was Town? Because as the conversations drag on, you seem to forget bringing that up in your defense.
edit: Note to self: In rob's defense, if he was truthful about it, he was in need of sleep (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297046/#msg1297046) and he was typing all that from phone.
I think this above line of play proposed in that argument is still rather ludicrous and risky for scum to pull off. I think he's genuinely perplexed that this argument is being proposed as opposed to trying to be melodramatic...
Because, admittedly, all I've been doing is joking and shitposting. My N0 doesn't have much of substance. I did not certainly expect people to seriously read into my role for one.I wanted to respond to this too.Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
What? I agree that we should not punish activity, but in the same time, why should we look the other way when it comes to rob or Link? Are we really that useless without them that we are ok with losing on the spot if they are mafia? From this, all I get is that if you are mafia, they have a higher chance of being too, and same the other way around.But I also wanted to imply that I only want to keep these people alive "longer", but not indefinitely. Hopefully, by the endgame, all town with lower activity is cleared out by either making them contribute more or by executing them.
Again, activity good, inactivity bad, but this type of behaviour is frustrating to play with casually. Even when I feel like I'm contributing and being fairly active, it seems like it's not enough for everyone and I'm berated for it. Let's just not execute people on the spot because they don't have a bazillion posts, ok?
"why should we look the other way when it comes to rob or Link?"
Do not look the other way, just appreciate the discussion they spark. I could have said kaempfer or shock too, but in this game, Link and rob have been the most vocal. And according to moe (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296931/#msg1296931), DoubleCapitals too, but I overlooked him somehow.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 04:42:59 pm
Has he been like this all the time folks?
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 04:44:06 pm
Sub's really grasping at like, a lot of things. Some of which I find largely insignificant and I feel he's swamping the conversation with
Has he been like this all the time folks?
Yes, even outside of mafia threads
Post by: andretimpa on May 24, 2020, 04:46:53 pm
These are my reads so far
serp (vv)
moe (vv)
They are both confirmed, not much to discuss here. If serp's translation was incorrect he'd get MK'd after all and only town could start with deja vu.
rob (n)
I poked him to claim if he was a Fate Egg or not, because that'd have been the only way his N0 action made sense to me. As it stands it seems a more neutral instead of scummy move to me.
torb (n+)
Taking a step back, his decisions make much more sense, regarding his discussion with rob.
Cal (n)
kdz (n)
Look like your regular players without much time to dedicate to mafia. Nothing to really build a read on stuck out to me.
shock (n)
Just doing his own thing for now. I hope he gets more serious later on.
DC (n)
Finally dropped the shitposting to vote. Nothing else to go by.
ian (n)
Was a n- until he gave us a reason for holding votes, despite posting a lot.
Annele (?)
After reading more on Link's posts I'm not sure how to feel about her.
Ge0
MW (n-)
I still share kaemp's impression that the only way he could know definitely if shock was town was Fate Egg/GN. Together with his Oty confusion later on it might just mean that he's getting confused about the rules (or I'm missing something here ?_?)
Link (n+)
His effort is really striking me as town here, then again he's hard to read.
kaemp (n+)
Strikes me as town, would really love to see his read list
Sub (?)
Still wrapping my head around this mega post. Will update this once I'm done with it
Obliging to Link, I'll vote on my worst read so far
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
Post by: andretimpa on May 24, 2020, 04:47:52 pm
Extension (7) - kaempfer13, DoubleCapitals, Annele, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Calindu, andretimpa
Post by: andretimpa on May 24, 2020, 04:51:05 pm
forgot about Ge0
=============
Haven't had a lot of time for this, which is the main reason I kept my posts more short and haven't been able to do anything with a significant depth so far.
These are my reads so far
serp (vv)
moe (vv)
They are both confirmed, not much to discuss here. If serp's translation was incorrect he'd get MK'd after all and only town could start with deja vu.
rob (n)
I poked him to claim if he was a Fate Egg or not, because that'd have been the only way his N0 action made sense to me. As it stands it seems a more neutral instead of scummy move to me.
torb (n+)
Taking a step back, his decisions make much more sense, regarding his discussion with rob.
Cal (n)
kdz (n)
Look like your regular players without much time to dedicate to mafia. Nothing to really build a read on stuck out to me.
shock (n)
Just doing his own thing for now. I hope he gets more serious later on.
DC (n)
Finally dropped the shitposting to vote. Nothing else to go by.
ian (n)
Was a n- until he gave us a reason for holding votes, despite posting a lot.
Annele (?)
After reading more on Link's posts I'm not sure how to feel about her.
Ge0 (n)
Nothing really special so far, he seems to be low on time to dedicate to this too
MW (n-)
I still share kaemp's impression that the only way he could know definitely if shock was town was Fate Egg/GN. Together with his Oty confusion later on it might just mean that he's getting confused about the rules (or I'm missing something here ?_?)
Link (n+)
His effort is really striking me as town here, then again he's hard to read.
kaemp (n+)
Strikes me as town, would really love to see his read list
Sub (?)
Still wrapping my head around this mega post. Will update this once I'm done with it
Obliging to Link, I'll vote on my worst read so far
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 05:03:03 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 05:22:30 pm
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
Post by: shockcannon on May 24, 2020, 05:35:09 pm
I know you don’t have time or energy to play my games and I’m sure my spoilers aimed at you feel like games. But this go-around I’m very serious. My low post count should testify to that even if others fail to realize.
I wish people would listen to my spoilers as well as you do but unfortunately mafia are always so curious as well as other problem players like serprex and masterwalks. As such I’ve been struggling for the past day to find a way to work with you without the interference of every other player in this game. I have found a way. It will generate some responses though and I’m worried how this post will be taken. I hope they’ll be disregarded along with my previous posts. That’s optimal for us. Worst case scenario we get confusion from Sub, trolling from others, or targeting by mafia but I’m not concerned.
I will start by saying I’m not a fan of the extensions. I actually think town using night roles is where we make the most progress even without a GN. I think we have more than enough posts already for night roles to help us find mistakes made by mafias in all the posts we have received so far. However I do see your angle and I’m reconsidering my stance on extensions.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I leave you with this message that many players will try to decipher and many will feel confident they know the implications of my message. Do not listen to what they say. I encourage you to read into this message almost at face value with slight implications outside of being a generic statement. This is not a game either, I’m being serious and trying to offer advice. And you don’t have to take it. It’s simply advice.
**
PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE
We will win this game. The mafia have given themselves away more than they realize. There’s no need to rush. Our options only increase with :time
**
P.S. My only town reads so far are you and anyone who chooses not to read this spoiler text. I suspect 2-3 specific players to skip reading this spoiler and trust me, I will be able to tell if they did indeed read this or not.
Also @everyone not named kaempf reading this. I spent 24 hours crafting this message. If you think I managed to give away any information to anyone who isn’t kaempf, then you have played right into my hands and I will enjoy what will follow from this. :P
I wish people would listen to my spoilers as well as you do but unfortunately mafia are always so curious as well as other problem players like serprex and masterwalks. As such I’ve been struggling for the past day to find a way to work with you without the interference of every other player in this game. I have found a way. It will generate some responses though and I’m worried how this post will be taken. I hope they’ll be disregarded along with my previous posts. That’s optimal for us. Worst case scenario we get confusion from Sub, trolling from others, or targeting by mafia but I’m not concerned.
I will start by saying I’m not a fan of the extensions. I actually think town using night roles is where we make the most progress even without a GN. I think we have more than enough posts already for night roles to help us find mistakes made by mafias in all the posts we have received so far. However I do see your angle and I’m reconsidering my stance on extensions.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I leave you with this message that many players will try to decipher and many will feel confident they know the implications of my message. Do not listen to what they say. I encourage you to read into this message almost at face value with slight implications outside of being a generic statement. This is not a game either, I’m being serious and trying to offer advice. And you don’t have to take it. It’s simply advice.
**
PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE
We will win this game. The mafia have given themselves away more than they realize. There’s no need to rush. Our options only increase with :time
**
P.S. My only town reads so far are you and anyone who chooses not to read this spoiler text. I suspect 2-3 specific players to skip reading this spoiler and trust me, I will be able to tell if they did indeed read this or not.
Also @everyone not named kaempf reading this. I spent 24 hours crafting this message. If you think I managed to give away any information to anyone who isn’t kaempf, then you have played right into my hands and I will enjoy what will follow from this. :P
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 05:41:04 pm
I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
For your own sake
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 05:46:19 pm
I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.
That's my exhortation here.
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 05:47:37 pm
town ping for me melding quite well with DC's post here... (why forum didn't tell me "a post occurred while you were typing" on this, I dunno)I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
For your own sakeand frankly ours toodon't spend so much time on it xD. Summarise, tell us the most alarming things... 6 hours is kinda unhealthy for achildren's cardforum game
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 05:51:38 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 24, 2020, 05:52:50 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 05:55:29 pm
The relative low level of pushes to sway wagons I see as likely indicative of possibly:
1. We have competing scum wagons (which would be GREAT)
2. We have competing town wagons (do NOT like this)
3. elements activity is always lower than I'm used to elsewhere, so just not a lot of "prescence"...
--> I'm accustomed to most players being around at EOD's, in which case calm thread means scum have either no reason to try to manuever (town wagons; or dont' know how to parse wagons of teammates) / town feel 'solved' on an acceptable state of votes... or the worst case just a dead thread activity level which is not fun at all.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:07:07 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 24, 2020, 06:09:02 pm
For my own sake more then anything :P
Post by: killsdazombies on May 24, 2020, 06:11:45 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 24, 2020, 06:12:03 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 24, 2020, 06:12:47 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 06:13:32 pm
It's called banter, rob, maybe you've heard of it?If real life relationships are any indication for me, I'm doomed to lose in anything that boils down to bantering well... ALthough, beyond banter I think post count likely ends up being heavily skewed by in-game life expectancy.
/Moe you can vote extension (or abstain on EXT) indpendent of game voting.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 24, 2020, 06:15:26 pm
Day 1 has been extended 26 hours. The two additional hours are due to me likely being unavailable tomorrow at the normal time. The start of day post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296975/#msg1296975) has been updated accordingly.
Day 1 has ended.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 24, 2020, 06:15:34 pm
I'm hoping for more reactions to sub's and andre's posts before we lynch. Andre seems neutral to me, sub I still have no idea how to read. Will leave it to better players.
Also it was my understanding that the common consensus was that withholding votes is not ideal? People that have not voted: torb, moe, ian, kaemp, kdz, shock - why do they get a free pass for no vote when others and I were called out earlier for no vote? I don't mean to question this in an accusatory manner, despite how it may sound. Merely curious.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 06:20:33 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:21:14 pm
It's called banter, rob, maybe you've heard of it?If real life relationships are any indication for me, I'm doomed to lose in anything that boils down to bantering well...
This made my day. I've only been awake about 20 minutes, but it's now a great 20 minutes.
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 06:22:40 pm
moe: he's town, he can do whatever he wants
ian: freeze! yeah not sure on this one
kaemp: Also not sure about this one
kdz: it's their birthday, next question
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 06:23:40 pm
Please address why you went from reading me / my N0 as towny to thinking I'm scum and voting me... holding that vote on me still now. I want to see inside your thought process that led to you making that read change on me.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 06:28:24 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 24, 2020, 06:30:53 pm
FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2020, 06:37:54 pm
For your own sakeBefore I compress my thougths, let me know which parts were more useful. Especially after this comment:and frankly ours toodon't spend so much time on it xD. Summarise, tell us the most alarming things... 6 hours is kinda unhealthy for achildren's cardforum game
Sub's really grasping at like, a lot of things. Some of which I find largely insignificant and I feel he's swamping the conversation with
I told it ahead of time that it will be a wall of questions, rather than a wall of answers. Until then, I only know full scan.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:48:44 pm
Re: Warden
It's dangerous to rely too much on the cop. Players should be using everything at their disposal in order to gather information, especially their roles. If they had followed your advice, we'd have even less collective information than we already did with losing our cop. Dodging the Heal is not about mindgating, there's only a small subset of players with a reasonable chance to be targeted by both an Angel and the Nightkill, just choose someone else. Sitting back and hoping other roles will carry the game is not a great strategy. Voting data is a different beast than role usage, especially on Day 1. Warden isn't about blocking mafia, hard information is the important thing. Your comparison on priorities is not valid.
Re: kaempfer
He means in general, not this specific game.
Re: rob
That's true, he did not actually hint his action. Rob always gets on inactives, nothing out of the ordinary.
Re: w3
You can like someone and still laugh your ass of when they die. Pretty sure I've done that to you a couple times.
Re: rob again
I don't have any special knowledge. If you want his scum game, 61 and some game on MU I think.
Re: my comment on NK
I would definitely compliment myself if I was mafia, so I have no counter to this.
Re: Sub being salty about 61
Looks like I was wrong, this just made my day.
Re: 6 hour post on 15 pages
Don't hurt yourself, Sub.
Don't take it personally, it's just banter. <3
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:49:45 pm
aw being confirmed town is lonely, nobody cares about my reads now
oh well here they are
rip www3, coffee
confirmed serp, moe
v torb, masterwalks, geo
n+ shock, link, sub
n ian, ann, kdz, dc
n- cal, kae
w rob, timpa
People who talk about "genuineness" of posts lose credibility with me. In particular I didn't like kae's "Linkcat is sus" post. He'd probably be n for me if that post hadn't happened
I think rob's a scummy egg fwiw, reasons based on info outside of devour action. Basically we're positionally at odds, which means that if rob isn't scum then my reads are bad, so lynching him at least gets info on where my reads are
PS I won't be voting for extension, I enjoy time pressure
I didn't mention you because it's expected for confirmed town to post their reads. Good list, btw.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 24, 2020, 06:50:33 pm
Ge0, you're here, good.
Please address why you went from reading me / my N0 as towny to thinking I'm scum and voting me... holding that vote on me still now. I want to see inside your thought process that led to you making that read change on me.
I don't know if I have an answer that will fully satisfy you but here goes.
I do not think I am currently very good at the game. My lack of knowledge on both the players and the game means it is fairly hard to make reads and contribute meaningful content. This is info I knew would be true and possibly problematic before the game had even begun. Nevertheles, I attempted to contribute to the best of my abilities, particularly after being called out by a couple people.
My first attempt at contributing I did read you as slight town. I abstained from voting because at the time I didn't want to jump on a wagon. Link then mentioned that witholding my vote was the "scummiest stance I could take", so I went back and re-read some posts to see if I could find any logic for me to vote on.
As a reminder, here is the tally at the time, before I voted:
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
After reading through things, I was unable to make any hard conclusions on scumreads and whatnot. I couldn't find a reason to add a vote for MW, torb, or sub. As stated in my reads post, I liked link and serp's logic. You were pointing fingers at people who no one else seemed to be pointing fingers at, and made a vote on torb. Others called you out on it for a bad read. You being a fate egg had not yet been explored. Does this all add up to me having a scumread on you? Not exactly. But it was at the time the strongest conclusion I had, in a time where I was being pressured to vote.
I hold the vote on you currently only because I don't know who to change my vote to and I don't want to withdraw my vote entirely.
Also I realize it may be frustrating as a vet to play with newer (read: weaker) players. I know I get frustrated in the games I play. So, apologies for potentially being a bad player.
Post by: andretimpa on May 24, 2020, 06:52:25 pm
My flip on shock and kae is a result of me rereading roles and which ones are faster. In fact, after getting a mod question answered, my town read on shock has lessened and my town read on kaempf has improved.
Okay, this makes more sense. I had understood you meant you had 100% sure shock was town. Removing my vote from you.
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
Sub's really grasping at like, a lot of things. Some of which I find largely insignificant and I feel he's swamping the conversation with
I told it ahead of time that it will be a wall of questions, rather than a wall of answers. Until then, I only know full scan.
Really hope pt 2 is better than pt 1, since this one just looks like you are trying to deflect conversation (the breadcrumbs part in shock's spoiler sounded borderline insane to me, for example)
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:52:55 pm
And here, DC, this is for you after that iancu post.That I should hold back on my vote/keep quiet? OR stop badgering ian re: his own lack of voting?
r/wooooosh
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:53:40 pm
Sub's really grasping at like, a lot of things. Some of which I find largely insignificant and I feel he's swamping the conversation with
Has he been like this all the time folks?
Yes.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 24, 2020, 06:53:46 pm
FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!
I can't say I've been able to keep myself from reading shock's spoiilers either... is this normal? For someone to make posts directed at specific people and expect no one else to read them? And people will listen?
Post by: killsdazombies on May 24, 2020, 06:57:16 pm
Im pretty sure its just a meme.FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!
I can't say I've been able to keep myself from reading shock's spoiilers either... is this normal? For someone to make posts directed at specific people and expect no one else to read them? And people will listen?
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 06:59:29 pm
Haven't had a lot of time for this, which is the main reason I kept my posts more short and haven't been able to do anything with a significant depth so far.
These are my reads so far
serp (vv)
moe (vv)
They are both confirmed, not much to discuss here. If serp's translation was incorrect he'd get MK'd after all and only town could start with deja vu.
rob (n)
I poked him to claim if he was a Fate Egg or not, because that'd have been the only way his N0 action made sense to me. As it stands it seems a more neutral instead of scummy move to me.
torb (n+)
Taking a step back, his decisions make much more sense, regarding his discussion with rob.
Cal (n)
kdz (n)
Look like your regular players without much time to dedicate to mafia. Nothing to really build a read on stuck out to me.
shock (n)
Just doing his own thing for now. I hope he gets more serious later on.
DC (n)
Finally dropped the shitposting to vote. Nothing else to go by.
ian (n)
Was a n- until he gave us a reason for holding votes, despite posting a lot.
Annele (?)
After reading more on Link's posts I'm not sure how to feel about her.
Ge0
MW (n-)
I still share kaemp's impression that the only way he could know definitely if shock was town was Fate Egg/GN. Together with his Oty confusion later on it might just mean that he's getting confused about the rules (or I'm missing something here ?_?)
Link (n+)
His effort is really striking me as town here, then again he's hard to read.
kaemp (n+)
Strikes me as town, would really love to see his read list
Sub (?)
Still wrapping my head around this mega post. Will update this once I'm done with it
Obliging to Link, I'll vote on my worst read so far
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
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Wow, that was underwhelming. No unconfirmed players out of neutral, and really weak reasoning for your strongest/only scumread/vote. Makes me want to lynch you more but at the same time I think you'd be trying harder if you were actually mafia and the top train.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 07:02:20 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 07:03:47 pm
Also it was my understanding that the common consensus was that withholding votes is not ideal? People that have not voted: torb, moe, ian, kaemp, kdz, shockIt is not, and we do not. BUT, there is a crucial difference between voting late and not voting at all. Mafia likes easy picking and placing their votes in a way that keeps their teammates safe. Joining a wagon and copying other peoples' reasons while deflecting from the wagon on a mafia member is typical.
By explicitly stating I will not vote at all, you can eat a tasty steak if I end up voting near the end. The rest may end up casting a vote to match the behavior I just described.
Nooope.FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!
I can't say I've been able to keep myself from reading shock's spoiilers either... is this normal? For someone to make posts directed at specific people and expect no one else to read them? And people will listen?
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 07:04:01 pm
I know you don’t have time or energy to play my games and I’m sure my spoilers aimed at you feel like games. But this go-around I’m very serious. My low post count should testify to that even if others fail to realize.
I wish people would listen to my spoilers as well as you do but unfortunately mafia are always so curious as well as other problem players like serprex and masterwalks. As such I’ve been struggling for the past day to find a way to work with you without the interference of every other player in this game. I have found a way. It will generate some responses though and I’m worried how this post will be taken. I hope they’ll be disregarded along with my previous posts. That’s optimal for us. Worst case scenario we get confusion from Sub, trolling from others, or targeting by mafia but I’m not concerned.
I will start by saying I’m not a fan of the extensions. I actually think town using night roles is where we make the most progress even without a GN. I think we have more than enough posts already for night roles to help us find mistakes made by mafias in all the posts we have received so far. However I do see your angle and I’m reconsidering my stance on extensions.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I leave you with this message that many players will try to decipher and many will feel confident they know the implications of my message. Do not listen to what they say. I encourage you to read into this message almost at face value with slight implications outside of being a generic statement. This is not a game either, I’m being serious and trying to offer advice. And you don’t have to take it. It’s simply advice.
**
PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE
We will win this game. The mafia have given themselves away more than they realize. There’s no need to rush. Our options only increase with :time
**
P.S. My only town reads so far are you and anyone who chooses not to read this spoiler text. I suspect 2-3 specific players to skip reading this spoiler and trust me, I will be able to tell if they did indeed read this or not.
Also @everyone not named kaempf reading this. I spent 24 hours crafting this message. If you think I managed to give away any information to anyone who isn’t kaempf, then you have played right into my hands and I will enjoy what will follow from this. :P
Like rob, I just can't resist. I did start trying to decipher your message, but then I remembered that it's you and anything else would be a better use of my time.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 07:05:15 pm
Yep, I probably missed and killed the joke here already... but could ya explain so that I don't misinterpret?And here, DC, this is for you after that iancu post.That I should hold back on my vote/keep quiet? OR stop badgering ian re: his own lack of voting?
r/wooooosh
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 07:05:21 pm
I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.
That's my exhortation here.
I find this to be a reasonable reaction for Sub as town, it fits his personality.
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 07:08:00 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 07:08:16 pm
Extension (8) - kaempfer13, DoubleCapitals, Annele, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Calindu, andretimpa, Ge0metry v1.2
I'm hoping for more reactions to sub's and andre's posts before we lynch. Andre seems neutral to me, sub I still have no idea how to read. Will leave it to better players.
Also it was my understanding that the common consensus was that withholding votes is not ideal? People that have not voted: torb, moe, ian, kaemp, kdz, shock - why do they get a free pass for no vote when others and I were called out earlier for no vote? I don't mean to question this in an accusatory manner, despite how it may sound. Merely curious.
Good point, but the only person there that I really want to see a vote from is kaempfer.
Post by: andretimpa on May 24, 2020, 07:10:35 pm
Wow, that was underwhelming. No unconfirmed players out of neutral, and really weak reasoning for your strongest/only scumread/vote. Makes me want to lynch you more but at the same time I think you'd be trying harder if you were actually mafia and the top train.
Well, in my defense it's still D1 and I wasn't joking on the lack of time / not having read in too much depth yet part.
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 07:12:37 pm
-snip-
Good point, but the only person there that I really want to see a vote from is kaempfer.
Seconded, meant to make that more clear when listing the no-votes
Also, geo, don't worry too much about rob, you're one of the most town reads of confirmed town atm, keep it up
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 07:15:53 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 07:16:26 pm
MW, there is sth really weird about what you last said and what i think shock has been doing; check again which roles can target who.
Elaborate plz
also stop trying to guess my role this early.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 07:17:09 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 07:20:22 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 24, 2020, 07:20:54 pm
DC, you may want to review the status effects in this game._.
Yeah I was wondering at first if Link was 100% joking or trying to hint/imply something. I think I got it though. Remind me not to try to parse info at 3 in the morning.
Speaking of parsing info, shock's play makes me wonder if he's playing Mafia or Big Brother. Same as last time, oh well. To all the people who have never met shock... yeah this sounds like typical shock.
And re: NL I think that I personally get a bit too worked up for my own good on NLs, still trying to interpret roles that deny the ability to vote by choice or otherwise. I know that people shouldn't be too hasty with wagoning and I do expect the votecount to shift quite a bit while I go sleep though
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 07:28:35 pm
MW, there is a chance shock didnt target me after all
ok. I didnt think i implied he did. im just comfortable believing his townreads atm.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 07:33:57 pm
I hope this means you understand?MW, there is a chance shock didnt target me after all
ok. I didnt think i implied he did. im just comfortable believing his townreads atm.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 07:39:46 pm
also stop trying to guess my role this early.
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deja_q_hd_046_resized_6484.jpg)
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 07:45:17 pm
I hope this means you understand?MW, there is a chance shock didnt target me after all
ok. I didnt think i implied he did. im just comfortable believing his townreads atm.
Nope. Dont understand. Dont know what im supposed to be trying to understand.
I thought the speed of my role was different. I double chekced, asked a question, and now i understand it. I falsely made a pretty hard claim earlier in my reads regarding you and shock. Now that i know my roles speed, i explained honestly and back peddled on my claims as shown here:
My flip on shock and kae is a result of me rereading roles and which ones are faster. In fact, after getting a mod question answered, my town read on shock has lessened and my town read on kaempf has improved.
Now im not GN obv so im not 100% sure you are town, and frankly, your short cryptic messages and role reading me are making me feel less confident about my read on you.
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 07:47:09 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 07:53:22 pm
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 08:07:01 pm
TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 08:10:59 pm
Ok, I give up trying to parse this. the reason I'm being so cryptic is because I don't want more roles to be revealed (you pretty much revealed what your role does, so no use trying to hide it now (I'm by no means encouraging a full claim)) and one of the following things happened:I hope this means you understand?MW, there is a chance shock didnt target me after all
ok. I didnt think i implied he did. im just comfortable believing his townreads atm.
Nope. Dont understand. Dont know what im supposed to be trying to understand.
I thought the speed of my role was different. I double chekced, asked a question, and now i understand it. I falsely made a pretty hard claim earlier in my reads regarding you and shock. Now that i know my roles speed, i explained honestly and back peddled on my claims as shown here:My flip on shock and kae is a result of me rereading roles and which ones are faster. In fact, after getting a mod question answered, my town read on shock has lessened and my town read on kaempf has improved.
Now im not GN obv so im not 100% sure you are town, and frankly, your short cryptic messages and role reading me are making me feel less confident about my read on you.
- I missunderstood shock
- You missunderstood your role (tbf you pretty much admit to that)
- You missunderstood shocks role
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 08:15:45 pm
Well, you are wrong about at least one thing.TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
Besides I wouldnt panic that much over rob (in the obv nonexistent world of us w/w) now considering the votecount.
Anyway, what would you have done if you were fate egg and rolled oty (it's gone the next night). from what i am gathering you would have holstered? I'm not the only one that can explain to you why thats a mistake as either alignement.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 08:22:52 pm
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Everything you said in the last 2 pages have left a sour taste. TORB brings up a good point about you defending rob a little too much, especially this late only because you think he thinks different than you now. Maybe my confidence is misplaced and shock is wrong. Weird of you to try to sway me from him when my trust in him is what made me town read you.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 08:26:06 pm
People who talk about "genuineness" of posts lose credibility with me. In particular I didn't like kae's "Linkcat is sus" post. He'd probably be n for me if that post hadn't happened
Tone reads may not fit your playstyle, but they are a legit thing.
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 08:27:25 pm
I agree with kaempf's logic re always using devour as fate egg
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
Post by: andretimpa on May 24, 2020, 08:32:43 pm
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 08:33:06 pm
Switching my vote from Sub to kaempf. Doesn't really make sense to be voting with my least towny reads on someone I'm n+ on
I agree with kaempf's logic re always using devour as fate egg
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
Hey, this vote is not supposed to determine who has the best logic
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 08:35:03 pm
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 08:38:36 pm
People who talk about "genuineness" of posts lose credibility with me. In particular I didn't like kae's "Linkcat is sus" post. He'd probably be n for me if that post hadn't happened
Tone reads may not fit your playstyle, but they are a legit thing.
Could you post this in a more genuine way? Your tone is very n- for me here
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 08:41:40 pm
Tone reads are lazy. They're a lead. Follow it & bring something material/falsifiable to the table. If the person you're reading flips, what does it say about you? Or clear up for you? In the case of tone reads, nothing
So they aren't substantial. They're a form of giving reads while being able to stay neutral. You aren't committed to explain why you might rescind a tone read
Do they have a place? Sure. But they better be good, used sparingly, & backed up with other good stuff. That hasn't been my experience with kaempf this game
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 08:41:55 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 08:44:28 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 08:52:41 pm
Can someone explain to me what vv, v, n, w in these readlists mean? Tried to do some short Googling but couldn't find anything. All I can tell is that v = good, n = bad, is that all there is to it?
Posting from my phone and I'm too lazy to quote the messages but:
Re: Rob calling me out
My increase in activity and attempt to read people is all in response to Link asking for more from me. Again, in all honesty, a lot of the discussion has been beyond me and I don't have strong opinions.
Re: Rob asking for my opinion on sub
This is one of those situations where I have no idea how highly I should weigh my suspicions. Do I think his posts are slightly sus? Sure. But I also thought the same of shock, and link, and serp at different times in the thread and they were vouched for by other people. Sub has his share of people saying this is normal behaviour for him and I'm inclined to agree as I don't know how he talks/plays.
I would also like to mention that I'm afraid of seeming too bandwagon-y now and so I don't want to vote? I don't know, once again - completely in over my head right now.
As a general rule if you are town (here: elemental) you should stop worrying so much what other people think of you. Solve to the best of your ability, if people want to lynch you for your genuine thoughts, it's their fault they are reading you wrong. But if you are simply playing to try to adhere to what people expect of you, rather than actually trying to form your own thoughts, that is when you (rightfully) look scummy.
Post by: serprex on May 24, 2020, 08:56:45 pm
You're a star!
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 08:59:35 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 09:08:27 pm
Will you stop shoving statements into my mouth? Of course you are not panicking. Do you know what the best time and method is to defend rob? By silencing the instigator after the suspect has left the spotlight.Well, you are wrong about at least one thing.TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
Besides I wouldnt panic that much over rob (in the obv nonexistent world of us w/w) now considering the votecount.
Anyway, what would you have done if you were fate egg and rolled oty (it's gone the next night). from what i am gathering you would have holstered? I'm not the only one that can explain to you why thats a mistake as either alignement.
As for the question: I am pretty sure my previous statements have made perfectly clear I would not target someone with a kill ability, that I would expect to be modkilled anyway.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2020, 10:06:14 pm
Well, your initial dislike of using an offensive role implied you would have holstered. But since you veto that now, what would have been the right way to use it according to you?Will you stop shoving statements into my mouth? Of course you are not panicking. Do you know what the best time and method is to defend rob? By silencing the instigator after the suspect has left the spotlight.Well, you are wrong about at least one thing.TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
Besides I wouldnt panic that much over rob (in the obv nonexistent world of us w/w) now considering the votecount.
Anyway, what would you have done if you were fate egg and rolled oty (it's gone the next night). from what i am gathering you would have holstered? I'm not the only one that can explain to you why thats a mistake as either alignement.
As for the question: I am pretty sure my previous statements have made perfectly clear I would not target someone with a kill ability, that I would expect to be modkilled anyway.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 11:01:24 pm
Well, your initial dislike of using an offensive role implied you would have holstered. But since you veto that now, what would have been the right way to use it according to you?Will you stop shoving statements into my mouth? Of course you are not panicking. Do you know what the best time and method is to defend rob? By silencing the instigator after the suspect has left the spotlight.Well, you are wrong about at least one thing.TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
Besides I wouldnt panic that much over rob (in the obv nonexistent world of us w/w) now considering the votecount.
Anyway, what would you have done if you were fate egg and rolled oty (it's gone the next night). from what i am gathering you would have holstered? I'm not the only one that can explain to you why thats a mistake as either alignement.
As for the question: I am pretty sure my previous statements have made perfectly clear I would not target someone with a kill ability, that I would expect to be modkilled anyway.
Just so we're 100% clear, eating Coffee was a good play as either alignment so that doesn't say much by itself, and it's amusing that multiple people are reading it both ways. It's his reactions afterward that you should be focusing on for your read.What I chose was simply the best self-perceived angle of attack at the time. The reactions to it have been totally worth it.
Also, if kaempfer flips mafia, rob is also likely mafia.
If rob flips mafia, andretimpa is also likely mafia.
The relative low level of pushes to sway wagons I see as likely indicative of possibly:rob is posting this at the time where andretimpa is ahead in votes. Why? He is hoping to shift the train in favor of someone other than andretimpa without having the entire mafia list in the train.
1. We have competing scum wagons (which would be GREAT)
2. We have competing town wagons (do NOT like this)
3. elements activity is always lower than I'm used to elsewhere, so just not a lot of "prescence"...
--> I'm accustomed to most players being around at EOD's, in which case calm thread means scum have either no reason to try to manuever (town wagons; or dont' know how to parse wagons of teammates) / town feel 'solved' on an acceptable state of votes... or the worst case just a dead thread activity level which is not fun at all.
So all three of those lynches are good in my opinion.
Sub and Link are probably town, because of current lynch counts along with rob trying to incriminate Sub and kaempfer trying to incriminate Link as well as Sub/Links posts so far.
I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.
That's my exhortation here.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 24, 2020, 11:15:46 pm
@MasterWalks
Given the information you have observed, how likely is it that kaempfer13 and shockcannon are both mafia?
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2020, 11:24:30 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2020, 11:44:50 pm
Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.
Is this a Fate Egg claim?
rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.
Here andre sheeps rob's scumreads but then throws rob in as well. Very odd. This is why I asked rob about an andre lynch. While he was fine with the other option I presented, he refused this one while keeping him at a comfortable n- in his readslist. I was kind of cooling down on the andre lynch because of the same reason rob had in that post, but I didn't say anything. It would be just his style to use that to spook us into another lynch without having to force it. There's no way he would risk himself to defend andre openly. Not sold on kaempfer, though.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 12:09:32 am
It's a real shame we extended the vote timer. Now I have to deal with reading another 5-10 pages of noobs being manipulated by mafia. I also really hope there isn't any last minute vote switches to reset the timer in the last hour of voting. Personally, I think no lynch is really our best option here. Town has a lot to gain from the next night phase. The fact that everyone is 100% convinced that you must always lynch each day phase is a real flaw that's going to hold us back this game. But whatever, I'm not going to try to fight 15 other players and all is not lost even with this happening.
If we must lynch and if you want my two cents, the only lynch targets that are really going to give us good information regardless of which faction they flip are Linkcat, Rob, and Masterwalks. Anyone else is a waste of time or a complete gamble. Obviously, you can feel free to disagree with me or probe me with useless questions that I might not answer, but this is how I feel right now. The votes on andre, kaempf, and sub are a distraction and I hope you all don't fall for it. And being a distraction doesn't mean that they are necessarily town and it also doesn't mean that mafia are voting for those players. It's very possible for an elemental to have a high vote count, yet have all those votes be cast by other elementals.
Oh btw, if you guys are going to spam out 33 pages of text before N1, at least make it interesting. The only remotely important posts since N0 ended are:
TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
and:
dont think they share a primary
and:
Annele - the initial approach she took to scumread me for my N0 felt awkwardly aimed at me... however, the back-down after some explanations occurred felt a little more genuine. A bit "off" feeling to me that the backdown came so easy after so much shade (as a ratio of her total posts, to those shading me). It does though seem possible this is how she approaches reads, but need to see more to feel better/stronger about reading her play.
I was undecided on your move for a while before I posted, but ultimately I came to the same conclusion as torb - having forgotten fate egg, I thought that the less unlikely answer was that you were mafia. I didn't want to go soft and let mafia get away with such a brazen move, hence the shade With fate egg in the mix, and having thought it over some more, I realised that though it's possible you're mafia, town was a lot more likely than I had assumed. I appreciate the explanation for why you chose ditto. Looking at it now, I think mafia would have chosen a target more useful to town (either one who's posting a lot or however they managed to pluck out GN), since you were bound to get heat either way.You're way over-analyzing Ge0, he's playing exactly like someone dipping their toes back into mafia after a long time and what little content he had felt real. No reason to vote him right now.
I don't think it's necessarily overanalysing geo, geo's posts gave me the same vibe I had when playing as mafia last round. I agree no reason to vote on just yet, but I'm wary of him. andre has a similar vibe without the over-explaining lack of posting, but I completely forgot all his posts until rob mentioned him and I re-read them, which I think makes him more suspicious. I'm not sure how to read linkcat just yet but I agree with the reasoning behind it.
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat, Annele
I didn't vote before because of the graboid suggestion but I'd like to see what sub has to say before he's killed. There seems to be a lot to this story that I've somehow missed? I'm curious to see how much it will change.
Also hbd kdz.
Everything else so far has just been white noise to me. Also @kaempf, like I said in my post, ignore anything that others say about me, especially if it pertains to my role, my reads on others, or the implications of my posts. Despite popular belief, the town wins this game if they can win the night phase, while the mafia wins this game if they can win the day phase. Hopefully this helps people understand why it's okay to no lynch and why N1 will be a VERY important night for town.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 12:17:18 am
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 12:19:37 am
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
I won't comment right now on what this information says to me, but HOLY COW was this post by Annele an interesting one for me. This game was very boring up until this point.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 12:32:36 am
(https://gyazo.com/64a90929ab07f48590e54fdd7f831350.png)
Good observation, especially considering that she said she agreed with my reasoning, despite me not actually having given any at the time.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 12:39:07 am
Post by: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 12:41:32 am
The relative low level of pushes to sway wagons I see as likely indicative of possibly:rob is posting this at the time where andretimpa is ahead in votes. Why? He is hoping to shift the train in favor of someone other than andretimpa without having the entire mafia list in the train.
1. We have competing scum wagons (which would be GREAT)
2. We have competing town wagons (do NOT like this)
3. elements activity is always lower than I'm used to elsewhere, so just not a lot of "prescence"...
--> I'm accustomed to most players being around at EOD's, in which case calm thread means scum have either no reason to try to manuever (town wagons; or dont' know how to parse wagons of teammates) / town feel 'solved' on an acceptable state of votes... or the worst case just a dead thread activity level which is not fun at all.
This strikes me more as "general wisdom" (I don't personally agree, but I'm also not a top player) and I think you are just reading too much here. I agree tho that kaemp seems overly defensive in his recent responses.
@Link
I got something for you, Torb.Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.
Is this a Fate Egg claim?
rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.
Here andre sheeps rob's scumreads but then throws rob in as well. Very odd. This is why I asked rob about an andre lynch. While he was fine with the other option I presented, he refused this one while keeping him at a comfortable n- in his readslist. I was kind of cooling down on the andre lynch because of the same reason rob had in that post, but I didn't say anything. It would be just his style to use that to spook us into another lynch without having to force it. There's no way he would risk himself to defend andre openly. Not sold on kaempfer, though.
The context of that post was that rob had made a wild move that I still think was not a good play, even as fate egg (I asked for confirmation, as it would make the move have at least some sense). The other reads were indeed a bit colored by rob's opinions (the same way you colored some of mine in my read list, even though I don't trust you 100%).
Just to be clear, I don't have an overall read of rob as neither town nor mafia so far and I still only keep suspicions about Anelle after thinking a bit more (I can share if you want, but it's pretty weak)
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 12:43:23 am
(https://i.imgur.com/yEIM3vy.png)
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 12:58:57 am
The fact that you are too blinded by the name of the author of the post to see any substance doesn't mean my posts lack substance. Plenty of players will find substance in every post I have given so far. It's also quite hilarious to hear that come from someone who has found a way to make 70+ posts and counting before day 1 has even finished.
This is nothing. I played with multiple people who had 300+ on Day 1, without an extension or Night 0. Your 7, on the other hand, is laughable.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 01:05:46 am
I got something for you, Torb.Throwing a name in a list is easy, but I'm not seeing any lynchvotes. So yeah, another point to add to the case.Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.
Is this a Fate Egg claim?
rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.
Here andre sheeps rob's scumreads but then throws rob in as well. Very odd. This is why I asked rob about an andre lynch. While he was fine with the other option I presented, he refused this one while keeping him at a comfortable n- in his readslist. I was kind of cooling down on the andre lynch because of the same reason rob had in that post, but I didn't say anything. It would be just his style to use that to spook us into another lynch without having to force it.
There's no way he would risk himself to defend andre openly. Not sold on kaempfer, though.Nope, which is why:
This strikes me more as "general wisdom" (I don't personally agree, but I'm also not a top player)If you put it like that, instead of asking to vote for specific lynches, it is supposed to be a lot less suspicious.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 25, 2020, 01:20:15 am
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 25, 2020, 01:21:16 am
I would like to mention also that other players are specifically curious about your vote, from the list of players who have not voted.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 01:53:24 am
DO NOT forget this grouping from andre down the road should he flip mafia -- I am still in a world where serp/moe is always v/v and if andre is mafia I'd gamble he put a scum mate in this pile (probably exactly one, wouldn't want to overdo it eh?)... TorB _or_ Annele if andre flips. Hot take, perhaps.Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.
Is this a Fate Egg claim?
rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.
timpa - I do not recall you going into any depth at all about how you scumread this quartet... given there is quite a bit of thread content involving pointed discussion between me/TorB, me/Annele, and me/serp indpenednetly. Can you explain how you see a world where you are actually solving and arrive at this grouping that on the 10,000 ft view of the thread seems so un-natural of a set of reads????
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 01:56:25 am
I didn't stop reading after you said we should No Lynch, but I should have since you provided nothing of substance in this post.NAI, ... but: SO. MUCH. THIS. I'll have more in my next post about it, but this does not look like a time that NL is town beneficial.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 01:57:34 am
Post by: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 02:37:05 am
My read on you was mostly because of your N0 move, as I said in my previous post.
Torb was coming out a bit more aggressive than I remembered players in general to be. I see this now as more it being his style and me never having played with him (since he's doing it with kaemp and me too, without no one thinking it's out of the ordinary).
Serp was a very weak read, due to him "shooting first and asking questions later" with his instavote on you when the day began (I was still willing to believe there could have been a legit reason for your move - see my post asking you how that was a good move). I believe this was also a bit fueled by the fingerpointing between the 2 of you, in what was really early D1. Of course he's verified in my book since his claim.
Anelle's "voting but not really voting" plus she putting the idea of you being Fate Egg out in the open still rub me the wrong way (even though it made your actions more sensible to me).
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 03:14:12 am
OK, so you had TorB as scummy at a prior point for being more aggressive than you remember players generally being? Surely you've seen how a handful of players around here approach this game with a bit of aggression - why was it scummy from TorB? And now you suddenly have him mostly toward the town-ish end of your reads just because you think that is his playstyle... why is it not believable for you that he is just doing a good job of modeling a possible scum!TorB play after his play others have seen as town!TorB??
Annele you scumread for ?something about her and I's interaction? but then Link had a post that you state took her to "?" in your reads, and now she is back to rubbing the wrong way without her having done much (anything??). Give a bit more detail in your thought on progressing this read this way.
On me, you say you found my N0 action scummy at first but you were earlier scumreading serp for his voting me for my N0 action? If you're town, then I'd have expected you to find it towny of serp to act that way given you scumread me for the same thing. You now have me neutral read right up next to the Deja claim-pair citing my N0 action making more sense to you now I've explained it. What do you make of serp still scumreading me for it??
I guess not anything I want to press in on about your serp read, given almost the whole game is now reading that pair nearly-confirmed from the claim.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 03:21:32 am
-snip-
What do you make of serp still scumreading me for it??
-snip-
Stop misrepresenting me. I've agreed that fate egg devour was a fine play at least 3 times now
So scummy
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 03:23:34 am
What?? I represented you as scumreading me... you tell me stop misrepresenting you in the same post that you double-down on scumreading me. What gives on that? I don't follow at all where you thinking.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 03:26:17 am
Post by: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 03:28:46 am
I can give you that tomorrow, gotta sleep now.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 03:29:18 am
You had a somewhat mecahnical town-read on kae earlier today... then something about "sour" read on some kae posts has kae as your top scumread? Can you expand any on the "sour taste" aspect of the posts? I have a town-read on kaempfer right now, what do you see that I'm not seeing?? (I would agree he has done some defending of me - does it go beyond you finding it scummy he defends me when he should be more uncertain of my alignment or is it just that)
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Everything you said in the last 2 pages have left a sour taste. TORB brings up a good point about you defending rob a little too much, especially this late only because you think he thinks different than you now. Maybe my confidence is misplaced and shock is wrong. Weird of you to try to sway me from him when my trust in him is what made me town read you.
"for it" implies my scumread is based on your night action. That is falseI had understood you found my N0 scummy... I'm mid development of a larger encompassing reads post and have yet to get to ISO of you from today - if you go further into it there I'll get to it... if there is something more lay it out here.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 04:12:23 am
Alright shock, let's go with one of your three picks
rob77dp (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
I'll be as sorry as rob was about coffee being town if rob flips town. I've been playing with my votes quite a bit, but at this point I'll say my vote is final. Don't even care if moe wants to vote differently
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 04:23:37 am
aw being confirmed town is lonely, nobody cares about my reads nowLooking at your posts, I see you taking exception to how I played N0 which you are saying also is NOT your read on me. I guess then since you don't seem to want to give a more clear definition of your scum-read on me it must be this emphasized bit above as an infolynch? Am I misreading again - if so then please do the explaining yourself because that's all I'm seeing. I'm having trouble figuring out how town!Serp takes the infolynch angle - and I am playing from the position of you and moe are town. I mean, look at the top of this quoted post where you want people to care about your reads then when I do you seem like you can't be arsed to expound on them. (I'm honored that you think I would take that N0 risky shot if I was scum because I can tell you I've tried a couple times to think if I would be that bold/daring and I am not sure I would... I suppose just WIFOM but eh, don't want you to be lonely in here so giving you a little attention)
oh well here they are
rip www3, coffee
confirmed serp, moe
v torb, masterwalks, geo
n+ shock, link, sub
n ian, ann, kdz, dc
n- cal, kae
w rob, timpa
People who talk about "genuineness" of posts lose credibility with me. In particular I didn't like kae's "Linkcat is sus" post. He'd probably be n for me if that post hadn't happened
I think rob's a scummy egg fwiw, reasons based on info outside of devour action. Basically we're positionally at odds, which means that if rob isn't scum then my reads are bad, so lynching him at least gets info on where my reads are
PS I won't be voting for extension, I enjoy time pressure
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 04:40:00 am
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296985/#msg1296985
First, I lay off my initial instavote when I realize who you'd targetted
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297041/#msg1297041
Then I disagree with your torb reads
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297062/#msg1297062
Fate Egg explanation is revealed to me, I agree it makes sense-- but this doesn't mean you get off on the torb debate
(at some point my role is revealed, so there goes my silly plays like claiming psion based on knowing moe is deja)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297132/#msg1297132
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297134/#msg1297134
You took the bait
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297186/#msg1297186
The post you were able to find yourself. This is probably my clearest post all game, an actual read list, so not sure why you'd need to ISO for it, especially when I explicitly name you & you should definitely be paying attention to reads from confirmed town. Like how do you miss this?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297238/#msg1297238
Oh look, I'm having to point out to a player that the only person going after them is scummy
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297255/#msg1297255
"I agree with kaempf's logic re always using devour as fate egg"
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 05:05:37 am
Alright, I'll look up the references for you, mostly to satisfy your apparent curiosity1. Hm, ok.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1296985/#msg1296985
First, I lay off my initial instavote when I realize who you'd targetted
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297041/#msg1297041
Then I disagree with your torb reads
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297062/#msg1297062
Fate Egg explanation is revealed to me, I agree it makes sense-- but this doesn't mean you get off on the torb debate
(at some point my role is revealed, so there goes my silly plays like claiming psion based on knowing moe is deja)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297132/#msg1297132
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297134/#msg1297134
You took the bait
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297186/#msg1297186
The post you were able to find yourself. This is probably my clearest post all game, an actual read list, so not sure why you'd need to ISO for it, especially when I explicitly name you & you should definitely be paying attention to reads from confirmed town. Like how do you miss this?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297238/#msg1297238
Oh look, I'm having to point out to a player that the only person going after them is scummy
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297255/#msg1297255
"I agree with kaempf's logic re always using devour as fate egg"
2. There's no way to know TorB is certainly town.
3. Ok.
4. What "bait"? You link to a post where I vote a high scumread of mine in a fairly thorough list of my reads. What bait? I didn't "take" anything.
5. I'm human - I missed it at first or at least forgot about it in the moment when trying to exchange real-time with you while I also build an updated read list. Mea culpa.
6. What? I think what you mean is you take it upon yourself to a length of attempting to tell another player whose alignment we don't know should just sheep your read on me. I give a pass because as confirmed town I agree you get certain leeway to parade a bit in this manner of directing players you think might be town to do things town!you are also doing. Being wrong about me is not a crime but it doesn't make you less wrong.
7. OK, let's try to make sure I'm understanding you here -- you're softing (why not just state it outright if you think it?) that you suspect Sub and I both are scum, then realize I'm voting and pushing/casing Sub --- you believe I am bussing a teammate. Yeah? It's ok, being wrong is not a crime but I'm not w/w with anybody. It DOES still make good sense for you to look deeper at your two scumreads when one of them is legit pushing/voting another of your reads (that is - do you really still think it is w/w or is one read stronger than the other, or does your mind change about one of them, etc.).
Good talk, really. Good to have a conf-town that is thread present and at least willing to engage in interactions, albeit from my seat it feels like you're only begrudgingly OK with being part of the widest town-read duos in the game right now.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 05:10:51 am
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
I must say I'm curious how rob will flip. We have plenty of interactions of players with him and I am very intrigued by how he went from the vote leader with many non-voters suspecting him to almost no one voting him. Additionally, the more I try to picture scenarios where andretimpa is mafia with different combinations of other mafia members, the more I think he is a guaranteed town. He was extremely close to being lynched, and even voted on Masterwalks who had 0 votes at the time instead of joining the submachine train to even the vote and keep himself alive. Additionally, the extension timer which also would have saved andretimpa was not voted on very quickly and the initial people who voted for an extension comprised mostly of the players who wanted to lynch andretimpa, which doesn't add up to him being the mafia.
I also have a hard time believing that town is good enough or that mafia is bad enough to come so close to losing any member on day 1. Additionally, to entertain TorB's idea that andre, kaempf, and rob are all mafia, it's almost unfathomable to me that 3/4 mafia would be leading votes for lynch on day 1. This could be a possibility if the mafia were voting each other to make it harder to track down all of them should one of them get lynched, yet we see none of these 3 voting on each other and we don't even see any of these 3 voting on the same player. Yet again, another piece of evidence that doesn't add up to the theory. I also have a hard time believing that TorB would be mafia with 3 other members to help guide his play and still present this theory. The most likely outcome of day 1 is a bunch of town accusing each other because of lack of info while the mafia gets to pick and choose where they enter and exit conversation.
Another interesting topic is Linkcat. He was the first to vote for rob and the first to vote for andre. Now that doesn't mean much, but the interactions with rob have been quite interesting, and will need to be explored further if rob flips mafia. Additionally, he has definitely placed himself in a position to control the flow of conversation and kaempfer even pointed this out earlier and called him out as being suspicious, to which he responded in a way that was very inadequate for me personally. Linkcat has also disregarded all my posts as irrelevant. He asks for scum reads and votes, yet when I offer that him, rob, and MW would be the most useful lynch targets for revealing things, this isn't even brought up. If someone else were to say this I can almost guarantee there would be several responses discussing this. Then when I make a post more in line with "proper play and meaningful discussion" and point out a noteworthy action by Annele this is seemingly rewarded as if I should explore this theory more and maybe tunnel on her. The funny thing is, Annele switching votes and making the comments she made is what makes me the most certain that she is town. I'm sure Linkcat will have some response as he always does as to how my arguments are either bad or irrelevant, but this section is mostly for myself, kaempf, and serprex as I believe they will actually listen to me and think about the idea of Linkcat being one of the major mafia suspects right now.
Now I'm going to give a list so everyone has something to work off when trying to read me, because I want people to listen to me when I say that we should figure out votes now and not at the deadline. Town is too prone to make mistakes and be at the mercy of mafia if we wait too long to vote. I wasn't going to vote this phase, but now that it has been extended and with everyone still keen on making a lynch, it's too risky to let this lynch go badly.
Likely town:
serprex
moehrpi
kaempfer13
andretimpa
TheonlyrealBeef
Annele
Unsure, need more time to consider:
Submachine
iancudorinmarian
Ge0metry v1.2
DoubleCapitals
Suspicious:
Linkcat
rob77dp
MasterWalks
Calindu
killsdazombies
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 05:17:09 am
Post by: killsdazombies on May 25, 2020, 05:24:47 am
A lot this stuff is just general feelings. I know very little and my rust is showing a bit more than Id like. I usually spend most of my in person games just talking shit, but I find myself lost in the walls of text to analyze.
serp (vv)
moe (vv)
Confirmed, which is nice
Sub (n+)
Oh this is the sub I remember
kaemp (n+)
Got good feelings about the lad. No idea why, but everything sounds earnest.
Ge0 (n+)
Just doing they're own thing, but trying to respond when questioned. Feels normal.
shock (n+)
I really appreciate the sheer chaotic energy that radiates from every post. Please continue. Also, they're doing what I do IRL, just in text form. 12/10
DC (n)
More shitposting please
ian (n)
I dont disagree with anything they say. The comments on skimming the thread and the general low content to each post (just a sentence or two) gives me a "Town who CBA give 110%" but could very well be a mafia trying to slip under the radar
Cal (n)
Im not getting a read. No calls for action, just advising caution.
Annele (?)
Scumread rob hard. As rob pointed out, theyre initial hit felt odd, but the back down felt real. IDK, I have my reservations.
MW (?)
I dont know what it is, but something just feels off. I haven't quite put my finger one what it is exactly.
andretimpa (?)
Similarly, something just feels off, but I can't tell if thats just because /everyone/ is sus of timpa, or if theyre actually scum. Everything they do just screams neutral ground to me, which I know is ironic coming from an equally neutral list.
I just default don't listen to anything these three say because they could sell water to a fish.
rob ()
While I generally don't like the feeling of shooting players N0. I think it was correct but it makes me :////
torb ()
Feels a little aggro in spots, but if I recall thats pretty on brand.
Link ()
The banter is fun, please continue. It makes catching up fun.
I'm going to hold back on voting for now, but I do intend to cast a vote before the day is up. I just want some more time to think.
Post by: killsdazombies on May 25, 2020, 05:26:06 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 25, 2020, 05:43:45 am
* Link - I couldn't care less who has more posts... why do you care? (I dont' see any silly roles interacting with post counts... so??) *
The relative low level of pushes to sway wagons I see as likely indicative of possibly:
1. We have competing scum wagons (which would be GREAT)
2. We have competing town wagons (do NOT like this)
3. elements activity is always lower than I'm used to elsewhere, so just not a lot of "prescence"...
--> I'm accustomed to most players being around at EOD's, in which case calm thread means scum have either no reason to try to manuever (town wagons; or dont' know how to parse wagons of teammates) / town feel 'solved' on an acceptable state of votes... or the worst case just a dead thread activity level which is not fun at all.
for reference the wagons at the time be like:
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
I won't be able to vote near deadline (it'll be early morning for me) btw. Wagons have started to shift against rob and being voted by confirmed serp makes me at least a bit queasy about holding my vote as is.
Looking at how andre holds his thoughts on rob as per
@torbThe relative low level of pushes to sway wagons I see as likely indicative of possibly:rob is posting this at the time where andretimpa is ahead in votes. Why? He is hoping to shift the train in favor of someone other than andretimpa without having the entire mafia list in the train.
1. We have competing scum wagons (which would be GREAT)
2. We have competing town wagons (do NOT like this)
3. elements activity is always lower than I'm used to elsewhere, so just not a lot of "prescence"...
--> I'm accustomed to most players being around at EOD's, in which case calm thread means scum have either no reason to try to manuever (town wagons; or dont' know how to parse wagons of teammates) / town feel 'solved' on an acceptable state of votes... or the worst case just a dead thread activity level which is not fun at all.
This strikes me more as "general wisdom" (I don't personally agree, but I'm also not a top player) and I think you are just reading too much here. I agree tho that kaemp seems overly defensive in his recent responses.
...
The context of that post was that rob had made a wild move that I still think was not a good play, even as fate egg (I asked for confirmation, as it would make the move have at least some sense). The other reads were indeed a bit colored by rob's opinions (the same way you colored some of mine in my read list, even though I don't trust you 100%).
Just to be clear, I don't have an overall read of rob as neither town nor mafia so far and I still only keep suspicions about Anelle after thinking a bit more (I can share if you want, but it's pretty weak)
makes me think he's trying to decouple himself from an opinion of rob, should he get lynched. As someone who doesn't talk a lot I'd naturally try to, as scum, leave as little information as possible wrt my own teammates and I think scum!andre might do the same
And as I was thinking while I was having lunch my read on rob is wavering a bit because on closer inspection I think mafia Fate Egg -> Otyugh would have done the same. It's not as ludicrous as I first thought considering the amount of poking we've been sticking to the inactives, maybe he wouldn't have been modkilled? Shooting the inactive seems to raise the least eyebrows but I don't think it was as certain that Coffee would been MKed anyway. But dead men tell no tales so who knows.
Slight lean rob scum if andre scum imo, while I'm also queasy to consider lynching rob before I go dive into his posts, based on knowledge of rob's role I kinda prefer that to andre at this moment in time. Fate Egg's kinda a dangerous toolbox in the wrong hands.
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Annele
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
EBWOP Ill probably be gone all day tomorrow aside from reading up and casting my vote, though ill try to answer anything directed at me in a uhhh mostly timely fashion
Won't ask much of you but before ya go, biggest scumread and why
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 25, 2020, 05:47:32 am
dont think they share a primary
If he's town and this is true, I'd pick shock to be more likely to be town - his play is a bit reminiscent of the shock I remember seeing when I filled in for Sub in 72. A kind of play I am beginning to get sick with, but it is a play I can imagine shock doing (sidenote iirc he only has like what 2 games so fuck me if I'm wrong amirite)
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 06:07:38 am
I have read all of Annele's posts, and I am not sure what shock is referring to. Link was proud of it, so I'm curious what's happening there. I might be able to connect it to an earlier thing I found.
I do not have the time for quotes, but there was a point in game, where Link suddenly shifted from "these people need more posts" to "good posts" on two people. As I remember, they only posted twice between Link's two stances, and I was not sure why those posts were so relevant. It was about Annele and Calindu.
(This is not about Annele and Calindu, it is more about Link controlling the narrative.)
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 06:08:22 am
vvv
serp
moe
vv
- more likely a town perspective to want to use extension and he was first to bring it up (the wagons at the time he mentions EXT were Sub 3 / timpa 4 - IF one+ of those flip red then no more townlean for instigating...); his mindmeld (or at least best grasping yet of anyone in game...) with how I determined and explained the town mindset of my N0 shot on coffee; his taking a minor exception (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297257/#msg1297257) like this to a very-likely-town (serp) thought on his own thought as more likely a town post than not; I'm still finding TorB wolf-y - =http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297268/#msg1297268this is unlikely w/w (http://this is unlikely w/w) between TorB/kaempfer - note for posterity down the road.
- THIS POST (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297273/#msg1297273)... if shock is mafia, then he really is just a guy going around doing whatever TF he wants - I struggle to see a world where he would have 3 teammates who would be alright with him posting most of what he has so far (other than "OK, you be you so nobody suspect"). But he is now bandying about about NL being a good idea, shaming the day extension (which is VERY likely pro town as I've mentioned recently), and openly stating that people essentially should not be trying to play the game to play the game (don't be tuned into roles, don't look for reads, and do not read into his posts which would be almost everything town has to go on for figuring out the game state). I have encountered a VERY select few players than can do this as scum and get away with it (not get bussed into oblivion) or have teammates go along with it. No offense to shock, but I am so far removed from finding this a possibility that I now have a fairly strong town lean on shock.
[N.B. - shock made quite the big post while I was creating this whole list... I'm doubling down that the post has so much going "against" it that I find it most believable as being in the category of "oh shock - are you really going with that?"]
[N.B. - shock made quite the big post while I was creating this whole list... I'm doubling down that the post has so much going "against" it that I find it most believable as being in the category of "oh shock - are you really going with that?"]
- I don't see a world where MW thinks of trying, actually tries, or still yet pulls off the approach he has to timpa today if they are w/w (both for record, and for point given my developing read on timpa) [here I go!! ...gutread from a feel on how MW flows in the thread as not being wolf!MW would do or be capable of :o - caveat that I don't have lots of background on MW but I have seen his self-deprecate his playing a few times compared to few players trying to correct him??]
v/v-
v - has a bit of _something_ to look at now... I am on record finding it towny at this point for being early extension voter, DC was this; and he has a reads list -- the descriptions on Annele and Sub have town-type rings to them but he has them in a neutral section (and just says his read on TorB matches his read on Annele - not sure this is quite a reasonable statment, have those two really played so similarly?), his top two scumreads meld well with how I've concluded so far too - townpoints for that. On the whole, I think I'm just not accurately reading the way DC posts in relation to the issues about his "n" reads. Please elaborate when you see this.
v- - I had a strong scumread on TorB before. I suppose might have been a case of OMGUS from me... as his posting today comes across strong and I think is a town approach and perspective, that is he posted in a very convicted manner about my N0 action, my follow-up discussion with him, and aspects of my play so far - yet he keeps developing his read on me by reading and looking and has a genuine feel to how he backs me down to a neutral from the looks of it on his own solving. It is a bit odd his reads list quotes a post where he states that 1-posters are the most suspicious but then Ge0 who was a 1-poster gets what I think is a soft allowance to slide to "n" from "scummy" (Note: I read his use of 'suspicious' to mean scummy, which he applies suspicious to the 1-posters... if this is a bad/incorrect characterization of your use of the word then this issue dies down for me) I have to LOL at TorB's portrayal of thinking myself and kae are w/w (other than the obvious for me that I'm not -- he implies that I would ever buddy-buddy so openly in a thread with my teammate if I were scum? May I never sign up again if I would be that blatant about it).
n+/n
n - not much "content"... going to try to start reading him based on what he has posted so far though -- I know kdz has been around quite a while, and he strikes me as the type who takes particular exception to letting a person/people down; how I take this right is that I believe his posts about being busy, not time to deep read, birthday, etc. and that town kdz would WANT to do better but only be so capable however a scum kdz might be more MOTIVATED to not let down a team by risking attention for skimping. THis is a VERY thin read, admittedly, but I see him town-side of neutral at the moment.
[N.B. - another one that caught up / posted while I was developing this... no flags on reading his reads quickly through for now; getting late so mayibe I'm glossing over something? But also do find it a bit odd he decides to split out myself+TorB+Link to just decide not to read at all. I can relate I suppose given I'm punting mostly on Link for now too...
[N.B. - another one that caught up / posted while I was developing this... no flags on reading his reads quickly through for now; getting late so mayibe I'm glossing over something? But also do find it a bit odd he decides to split out myself+TorB+Link to just decide not to read at all. I can relate I suppose given I'm punting mostly on Link for now too...
n - have NOT developed this since my last reads. Yes, he has lots of posts since then. I'll be quite frank - a true Link read from me is not going to happen soon. I have a few twinges of "Link might not say that as town/mafia" but at risk of being a broken record I don't think anything he's done so far in a vaccum (that is, limited flip info at this point) is alignment indicative (i.e. - NAI so far for Link --- yet another way, his game so far looks to be within his range of how I've seen him play as town and as scum from both angles).
n - playing his vote close to the vest... I recall this being a not-uncommon iancu thing in the past too; read through his posts and nothing much hits me like it has for other players I expand upon more here... going to have to punt diving deeper on iancu at this late hour.
n - quite interested to see his reaction/development wrt timpa/Sub as D1 comes closer to ending... also, his push on me persists despite others looking elsewhere quite a bit today, which feels genuine. His reads list flows in way that reads like real solving. Hope to see him come to the thread for more content before deadline...
w
- I still see a lot of his earlier Day 1 activity scummy (detailed in my prior list), but he is also talking about being newer (I remember him Mafia 49 years ago, my first one ever I think?) and feeling a bit out of his element. I do NOT want to be strong-arming him in a way that goes overboard. I believe those posts and take at face value that he feels overwhelmed by the game so far. NOTE: Ge0 is (Ge0, you are) still voting for reasons of misplay and me suspecting other players (former is bad reason and has nothing to do with alignment; latter reads to me like you find it scummy that I'm trying to play the game by solving - I mean, there is a GREAT deal of shade, suspicion, and voting/pushing going on that is not based on concrete evidence... that is a large part of the game of mafia. but you only seem to consider it scummy for ME to do it - why only me?). OK, I kept reading and find in a follow-up post you mention not liking how I was suspecting players nobody else was suspicious of and that I made a non-consensus vote on TorB (Hint: ask around, that is rarely if EVER a scum play or tactic) - howcome you find it scummy, that is what about me pushing around in a manner that feels like I have little to no concrete information is scummy (actually, reading it now that is what town does, limited information, has to push/reach around to find the way they think is right, and then go with what they know or think is likely -- scum tend to have other angles underlying things because they actually have quite a bit of game information others don't, ya know?) Long section I know, but indulge me another one: what better players (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297212/#msg1297212) are you planning to sheep, and what is leading you to believe they are town and hence worth following, if you're town?
ww
- no hat eating promises, but I find it very supsect how Sub behaved a bit in the thread during some... ... "threadvelopments" mid-Day 1. His mega-ultra wall post leaves me overwhelmed trying to parse it (and I'm a wall post kind of guy too)... on one hand does town!Sub go so all out for a post that large so littered with mechanics and half-takes (I have read he has that tendency...) or does scum!Sub do so little to try to push the narartive/pressure away from himself if he is a Day 1 wagon?
- not seeing anything new today to change my read on her -- (from my prior Annele read)--> the initial approach she took to scumread me for my N0 felt awkwardly aimed at me instead of developing to be about me (italicezed part added now). however, the back-down after some explanations occurred felt a little more genuine. A bit "off" feeling to me that the backdown came so easy after so much shade (as a ratio of her total posts, to those shading me). It does though seem possible this is how she approaches reads, but need to see more to feel better/stronger about reading her play. Reading again, the backdown was a lot quicker than I had expected given the level of shade included in the first push - will have to parse the read on her / timpa if at some point one of them flips wolf as I don't think she puts the 2nd vote on timpa when Sub is leading wagon, that vote DOES possibly hint at w/w with Sub if one half of that duo flips red (just added italic piece)
- high level misgivings about his play so far... incongruous read developments as I see it, on TorB/Annele/myself (and for a bit Serp but that has mostly dissolved given thead/claim developments). I have a bit on it [urlhttp://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297288/#msg1297288]here a few posts ago[/url].
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 25, 2020, 06:14:45 am
Woke up and read the 3 new pages since I left off (but kinda skimmed the newer scumlists). I gotta work for 8 hours now, so no big posts yet (lucky for you?).
If you goof off at work to make silly mafia posts I will call your boss to Fire Bolt you.
Posting here just to say I do kinda see it a bit, I think shock's words definitely hold more weight than how Link is trying to make him be.
Will reply to rob when I can but I'll just say that when I was compiling and recounting who said what at the point when I made my readlist TorB and Annele's push on you (wrt to your N0 play) struck most in my memory which is why I may have categorized them in the same bin. Annele hasn't posted much since but I'll go look into the 2 again as well
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 06:24:53 am
1. You describe voting me for infolynch (or what amounts to an infolynch -- you want to get your hands on some kind of juicy info that comes from me flipping either alignment?? Need to lynch SCUM not for info - lynching a scum will give lots of juicy info AND helps town win-con. You want that right? (sometimes tough to be sure with how you post...) There has to be some source somebody knows about that goes into good detail about why/how infolynch is not a good idea. (Hint: check out Link's early game posts for a MafiaUniverse link.)
2. The extension seems quite likely the last 1-2 hours of the Day phase... you are underestimating how much "time" that is for a phase to complete... it seem rather presumptious to think that scum had to be scrambling and since we don't see much of that in thread from timpa you conclude he is likely town. I think Sub was actually in more danger than timpa at the time you're referring to but you don't give Sub the same "probably town because nobody was scrambling to save him" treatment. Can you explain some why? I am guessing you just do not have a large pool of EOD experience from which to have seen real EOD scrambles - that is, we have different definitions of what you're using to read as towny. Yay / nay?
3. What do you mean it is hard to believe a scum could be / coudl have been / could still be on the chopping block on Day 1? It isn't that uncommon of a result, honestly. I chalk this up to your probably being a bit new to playing mafia, in the grand sense of things.
4. No need to worry or fret about what to do if I flip red. WIFOM, of course, for you, but yeah...
5. About your reads... a) Do you have more to your town-read on timpa than "he was a wagon candidate near fake-EOD1"? b) What are you basing your highest level of suspicion read of kdz on at this point? so far he has mostly AFK'd (self-admittedly even) and his reads post which is easily his most substantive brief as it is didn't drop until AFTER you have him a top suspicious read of yours - I would like to read some about why/how from your perspective.
My take -- I don't want to keep going to this well forever, but as I read shock's post I just don't find it feasible he would do that as scum. Yes, it seems like how regular-shock I know a little bit from the game/forum might approach mafia games, and aligns with how others say he has done as town before and is implying that I do not expect him capable of acting quite this (what word to use? ... ...) blustery and grandiose if he had a team to discuss with and a team he _might_ just might listen to about trying to be less "on the radar". It is quite possible I am tragically underestimating shock... time will tell.
I find a lot in the post to disagree with or counter but in the most shock way possible, I'm keeping the town-read on him through it.
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
I must say I'm curious how rob will flip. We have plenty of interactions of players with him and I am very intrigued by how he went from the vote leader with many non-voters suspecting him to almost no one voting him. Additionally, the more I try to picture scenarios where andretimpa is mafia with different combinations of other mafia members, the more I think he is a guaranteed town. He was extremely close to being lynched, and even voted on Masterwalks who had 0 votes at the time instead of joining the submachine train to even the vote and keep himself alive. Additionally, the extension timer which also would have saved andretimpa was not voted on very quickly and the initial people who voted for an extension comprised mostly of the players who wanted to lynch andretimpa, which doesn't add up to him being the mafia.
I also have a hard time believing that town is good enough or that mafia is bad enough to come so close to losing any member on day 1. Additionally, to entertain TorB's idea that andre, kaempf, and rob are all mafia, it's almost unfathomable to me that 3/4 mafia would be leading votes for lynch on day 1. This could be a possibility if the mafia were voting each other to make it harder to track down all of them should one of them get lynched, yet we see none of these 3 voting on each other and we don't even see any of these 3 voting on the same player. Yet again, another piece of evidence that doesn't add up to the theory. I also have a hard time believing that TorB would be mafia with 3 other members to help guide his play and still present this theory. The most likely outcome of day 1 is a bunch of town accusing each other because of lack of info while the mafia gets to pick and choose where they enter and exit conversation.
Another interesting topic is Linkcat. He was the first to vote for rob and the first to vote for andre. Now that doesn't mean much, but the interactions with rob have been quite interesting, and will need to be explored further if rob flips mafia. Additionally, he has definitely placed himself in a position to control the flow of conversation and kaempfer even pointed this out earlier and called him out as being suspicious, to which he responded in a way that was very inadequate for me personally. Linkcat has also disregarded all my posts as irrelevant. He asks for scum reads and votes, yet when I offer that him, rob, and MW would be the most useful lynch targets for revealing things, this isn't even brought up. If someone else were to say this I can almost guarantee there would be several responses discussing this. Then when I make a post more in line with "proper play and meaningful discussion" and point out a noteworthy action by Annele this is seemingly rewarded as if I should explore this theory more and maybe tunnel on her. The funny thing is, Annele switching votes and making the comments she made is what makes me the most certain that she is town. I'm sure Linkcat will have some response as he always does as to how my arguments are either bad or irrelevant, but this section is mostly for myself, kaempf, and serprex as I believe they will actually listen to me and think about the idea of Linkcat being one of the major mafia suspects right now.
Now I'm going to give a list so everyone has something to work off when trying to read me, because I want people to listen to me when I say that we should figure out votes now and not at the deadline. Town is too prone to make mistakes and be at the mercy of mafia if we wait too long to vote. I wasn't going to vote this phase, but now that it has been extended and with everyone still keen on making a lynch, it's too risky to let this lynch go badly.
Likely town:
serprex
moehrpi
kaempfer13
andretimpa
TheonlyrealBeef
Annele
Unsure, need more time to consider:
Submachine
iancudorinmarian
Ge0metry v1.2
DoubleCapitals
Suspicious:
Linkcat
rob77dp
MasterWalks
Calindu
killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 06:30:24 am
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Currently my strongest scumread / suspicion. Yes, it also improves the wagon counts for my situation with a few votes.
I'll be trying to follow thread/posts when I wake up, and to be around directly as EOD comes around.
/gnight
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 06:30:57 am
@rob
Maybe not, but my point is that kaempfer13 was defending you.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 07:41:39 am
You can reread my previous post for why it's almost impossible for andre, kaempf, and rob to all be mafia. As for individuals:
andretimpa - I've already explained why I think the voting has made it obvious that andre is town. There's also way too many people calling out andre right now for somewhat questionable posts but nowhere near enough to warrant the amount of attention he's receiving. You might not see this as a justifiable reason, but for me it's a major red flag that andre has gotten as much negative attention as he has. If andre was mafia, I would expect to see much more attempts by various players to steer conversation in other directions either by disagreeing with comments on andre or simply pushing other players more into focus. If andre was town and made some mistakes causing other town to all suspect him, you would see the mafia allow things to continue developing as they have now. The fact that I'm the only one who thinks andretimpa is town has gotta be a red flag. Either that, or he played terribly, and I suppose there is a small chance that he's just a free mafia lynch for us that we should be jumping on and not letting go. But I have my doubts.
rob - I mean, I think he's mafia. So no issues here. Even if he flips town that vastly improves all our other reads since he's received several votes already and has interacted heavily with almost everyone. Rob should be really be the #1 contender for day 1 lynch. Like imagine lynching andre. If he's mafia great, but if he's not we don't gain a whole lot. Even if rob is town I still think we gain quite a bit.
kaempf - Well I have my own reasons for believing he's town. However, if we delve strictly into his posts, the most important thing he's done so far is start a timer extension vote. Now this can be interpreted three ways in my opinion.
1.) He could be a mafia looking to extend the timer to give more time to deflect votes off another mafia. Submachine and andretimpa were the two at risk during this time. I already explained why I think it's unlikely for andretimpa to be mafia. Submachine + kaempf is a mafia combo I have considered and haven't quite thrown out yet. That's something we could look into.
2.) He's a town who wants to give town more time to discuss, which can be good because it provides more opportunities for mafia to slip up. It also would've prevented a potential last minute swap race that looked highly possible with submachine and andretimpa so close in votes and no one else having basically any. He also hasn't voted on anyone. Additionally, you mention how he defends rob, but personally I think defending someone can actually be a strong town trait. I think mafia members are more likely to deflect and switch focus when their teammate is in danger as opposed to directly defending as kaempf has done.
3.) He's a mafia member who started the time extension vote to gain credibility as a town. Personally, I think he's WAAAAY too much of a noob to pull this off, but I suppose he's got 3 other members to help him. A possibility but I find this third option to be the least likely.
Lastly, you entertain the idea of me being mafia. You then ask MW if he thinks it's likely for both me and kaempf to be mafia to which he responds that it's unlikely. Now, if you assume your 4 scum reads are accurate, then that leaves MW as town. You clearly valued his input somewhat, so then his response contradicts your reads. If you assume MW is mafia then clearly your other 4 scum reads aren't viable anymore. Regardless, trusting other's opinions on the matter conflicts with your own reads and so you have to choose.
And since we're on the topic of MW, this post is a massive red flag for me.
dont think they share a primaryHis opinions have changed greatly about me and kaempf and this reads to me like he's being influenced by another chat. It also feels like it's a setup for him to change his opinions/votes later on without repercussion from others.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 07:45:30 am
kaempf - Well I have my own reasons for believing he's town. However, if we delve strictly into his posts, the most important thing he's done so far is start a timer extension vote. Now this can be interpreted three ways in my opinion.
1.) He could be a mafia looking to extend the timer to give more time to deflect votes off another mafia. Submachine and andretimpa were the two at risk during this time. I already explained why I think it's unlikely for andretimpa to be mafia. Submachine + kaempf is a mafia combo I have considered and haven't quite thrown out yet. That's something we could look into.
2.) He's a town who wants to give town more time to discuss, which can be good because it provides more opportunities for mafia to slip up. It also would've prevented a potential last minute swap race that looked highly possible with submachine and andretimpa so close in votes and no one else having basically any. He also hasn't voted on anyone. Additionally, you mention how he defends rob, but personally I think defending someone can actually be a strong town trait. I think mafia members are more likely to deflect and switch focus when their teammate is in danger as opposed to directly defending as kaempf has done.
3.) He's a mafia member who started the time extension vote to gain credibility as a town. Personally, I think he's WAAAAY too much of a noob to pull this off, but I suppose he's got 3 other members to help him. A possibility but I find this third option to be the least likely.
I don't want this to be lost in my wall of text because the highlighted part about kaempf is very important and I think you're missing this point.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 08:37:27 am
If your theory is correct, mafia MasterWalks would use this statement to follow up a kaempfer13 mislynch with a shockcannon mislynch, of which the latter seldom meets much resistance. This is a disastrous situation for town.
Focussing on rob lynch is something I have no issues with, regardless.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:41:08 am
Shock you are forgetting the possibility that rob is town and I'm scum buddying him (which would potentially earn me his trust and also give me a reason to sheep his reads whenever i feel like it). Obv, that's not the case, but you shouldn't know that , so you need to consider that scenario.
And then there is a whole wall about TorB incoming.
Post by: Annele on May 25, 2020, 08:58:27 am
My quick flip on rob was me going from being convinced he was mafia to realising the other possibilities. If fate egg didn't exist, the only situation that makes sense to me was if rob was mafia, and so I went hard in that direction. Once I realised that fate egg was an option, the two scenarios (rob being mafia or town) are a lot more equal in my mind, so I laid off. I probably swung too hard in the other direction for what were roughly equal possibilities, but Rob's posts at that point read more genuine to me too, especially the fate egg explanation.
Btw sorry for putting the fate egg option out too openly - I assumed that I was the only one who didn't get it (which was why no one else was gunning so hard for rob) so I didn't think there was any harm in mentioning it. Maybe should have thought that through more.
The reasoning I mentioned when I voted for andre wasn't link's but rob's and masterwalk's which had combined in my mind when I made the post. (Looking bad that was phrased rather poorly.) My point was I was suspicious that linkcat might be orchestrating a lynch, but I'd gone through andre's posts at that point and agreed with the sentiment that he'd said enough to avoid inactivity suspicion but nothing of real substance.
Shockcannon's point about how no one seems to be deflecting or defending andre even though he's the lead to be lynched rings true to me, and I'm more suspicious of linkcat that I was before. Reading through rob's posts now that he's not just defending himself, I don't really have a read of him anymore. There's certainly still a reasonable chance he's mafia egg, and I like serp's suggestion.
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
I keep secondguessing my reads, and I fear a lot of the cryptic role stuff is going over my head. I don't like how link seems to be pushing the narrative so much more than others though, and I'd say he's my strongest scumread at this point. Townreads at the moment, aside from moe and serp, are probably torb and shock. I liked what cal was posting a while ago, but he hasn't said anything recently so I'd be interested in his perspective now. I was also leaning town on kae for a while and so the torb wall might make me reconsider things, but this is where I'm at right now.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 09:39:06 am
First off there's the fate egg/oty business. It seems TorB still insists that not shooting would have been correct (and his comment about misrepresenting things was actually directed at how I perceived he interpreted my mental state). Now, in case you're interested I can go into more detail why that is mathematically the incorrect decision.
However, this is actually whatever, an honest mistake. NAI.
The reason I mention this is that going by his very own logic I should be scumreading him for it:
Being wrong doesnt necessarily mean you are scum. I'm just saying this in case you are town, so you keep that in mind for the future.I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.
But upon rereading i noticed that the timing of his reads is rather odd in light of the votecounts at the time.
rob77dp (1) - serprex
Auch. I think rob just became our primary maf suspect, though. There was a clear agreement NOT to use offensive roles N0...
Not voting this day, though.
Thanks, now vote on andre with me so we can get a second wagon going.
stop trying to buddy me.
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
I want read list from andre and THE post from sub. id vote both if i could until they respond.
I don't have anything substantial to add so here is the post count after game start:To follow this up, let us look at the count at the end of N0:
rob 13
link 8 dc 8
sub 5
www 3 serp 3
cal 2 shock 2 mw 2 ian 2 kdz 2
andre 1 nelly 1 torb 1 moe 1
kae 0 coffee 0 ge0 0
rob 17
link 12
dc 11
sub 10
torb 5 kae 5
www 4 ian 4
cal 3 mw 3 serp 3
nelly 2 moe 2 shock 2 kdz 2
ge0 1 andre 1
coffee 0To me, the most suspicious people had exactly one post. 0 likely just means total inactivity.
So now, finally to the reads list:
vv
serprex, moehrpi - see my previous post
v
Calindu - Good posts, nice read list.
MasterWalks - The most suspicious thing, is that his play seems so much better than last mafia, where he was town.
Annele - Agree with the posts, but would prefer to see more. Read list, maybe?
n
Ge0metry v1.2 - Your argument is valid.
killsdazombiesYour argument is valid, as long as:Linkcat - I like almost everything he says. Maybe too much so? That's why only neutral.I'll hopefully be able to read up and provide an insight and opinion into the current happenings....and we're good!
DoubleCapitals - less shitposting, more content. You're already going in the right direction with these last few posts, so keep it up.
kaempfer13 - His posts this mafia did not leave much of an impression on me, thus far. Reading them back they are all valid points, sure, but nothing stood out. Why the focus on Linkcat? Just give all the reads?
rob77dp - I disagree with the kill, but not with his conviction that it was somehow supposed to be helpful.
shockcannon - I am not even going to bother. Nothing to go on so far this mafia, but more posts probably would not help with that...
w (I could follow the n- crowd to seem less incriminating, but nah)
iancudorinmarianI am still missing some of your reads. I want all of your reads and all of your arguments.andretimpaI kinda skimmed through posts. So I guess it's time to make up my own list.I really dislike players being omitted from lists, mafia omitting mafia from these lists "because they do not have a read on them" is too easy. Simply have to call out on this.
vv - deja vu's. Impossible (?) to counterclaim
serp
moe
v
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I don't think he's mafia.
n+
TorB - similar playstyle as last time I played with him.
n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
Sub - Bad plans as usual.
n-
shock -I agree, he's too quiet. Although he could just be bored.Out of town, apparently
Fixing vote count. Also, probably not voting today.
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
Add that to low amount of posts in general. We want to hear more :DOut of the people with exactly one post, I have seen no reasoning for inactivity other than "almost forgetting about this". In the same way, what he did post, is also kind of forgettable.SubmachineIf they're so good, where is yours?When is the best time to post read-lists? I have at least some ideas about townsfolk, www is definitely on it.
Will try to post more frequently in the future. :P
Read lists are always good imoYou mentioned RQs, I'm not seeing any RQs. You did mention you would only do them when discussion dies down, so that's okay. In total, I'm just seeing a lot of I will statements from him, but he's not backing them up.I am reading the roles and trying to think of strategies that are not obvious.I'm still waiting for the strategies.
- Sometimes it might be better to not do anything, because then you catch fireflies sent your way. This way, a mafia Firefly Queen can be somewhat slowed (it is still a ridiculously overpowered role in the hands of Mafia, in my opinion, it needs counter-measures).
Mind Flayers and Graboids are exceptions, because they have higher priority than Firefly Queen.
_
_- I struggle to think of acceptable situations where Warden should be used. If used on unknown, it blocks investigation. If used on Town, it blocks healing and allows Nightkill. If used on conf Mafia, it blocks Otyugh.
I guess it COULD be used to protect someone from a publicly announced Otyugh attack. Or it COULD be used to confirm the existence of roles, by asking them to target the same person. But that's it.
More later, too many people are posting.Sh**, I almost forgot about deadline >_>You're not dead yet, follow your own advice?
Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust. :(
- Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
- Put up an RQS about how others behave when they are mafia, and ask them to provide examples. This is a good way to spot some dishonest players, or it brings attention to some stuff that puts pressure on Mafs.
- Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate, or people with more posts in general.
I am confused about several things, but I am too afraid to ask, and honestly, I don't even know where to start.Your argument is invalid. I want all the questions. Questions left unanswered can sometimes tell more than the answers themselves would.
I'll sit this phase out.I see more people addressed me, but do excuse me if I only respond to them tomorrow. :-XPlease do, that may very well lift most suspicion. You're only standing here on the list because you're consistently failing to follow up.
Switching my vote from Sub to kaempf. Doesn't really make sense to be voting with my least towny reads on someone I'm n+ on
I agree with kaempf's logic re always using devour as fate egg
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
Veto? What are you even talking about? I said I would not use a kill ability N0. Moreover, it does not even matter!Well, your initial dislike of using an offensive role implied you would have holstered. But since you veto that now, what would have been the right way to use it according to you?Will you stop shoving statements into my mouth? Of course you are not panicking. Do you know what the best time and method is to defend rob? By silencing the instigator after the suspect has left the spotlight.Well, you are wrong about at least one thing.TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
Besides I wouldnt panic that much over rob (in the obv nonexistent world of us w/w) now considering the votecount.
Anyway, what would you have done if you were fate egg and rolled oty (it's gone the next night). from what i am gathering you would have holstered? I'm not the only one that can explain to you why thats a mistake as either alignement.
As for the question: I am pretty sure my previous statements have made perfectly clear I would not target someone with a kill ability, that I would expect to be modkilled anyway.Just so we're 100% clear, eating Coffee was a good play as either alignment so that doesn't say much by itself, and it's amusing that multiple people are reading it both ways. It's his reactions afterward that you should be focusing on for your read.What I chose was simply the best self-perceived angle of attack at the time. The reactions to it have been totally worth it.
Also, if kaempfer flips mafia, rob is also likely mafia.
If rob flips mafia, andretimpa is also likely mafia.The relative low level of pushes to sway wagons I see as likely indicative of possibly:rob is posting this at the time where andretimpa is ahead in votes. Why? He is hoping to shift the train in favor of someone other than andretimpa without having the entire mafia list in the train.
1. We have competing scum wagons (which would be GREAT)
2. We have competing town wagons (do NOT like this)
3. elements activity is always lower than I'm used to elsewhere, so just not a lot of "prescence"...
--> I'm accustomed to most players being around at EOD's, in which case calm thread means scum have either no reason to try to manuever (town wagons; or dont' know how to parse wagons of teammates) / town feel 'solved' on an acceptable state of votes... or the worst case just a dead thread activity level which is not fun at all.
So all three of those lynches are good in my opinion.
Sub and Link are probably town, because of current lynch counts along with rob trying to incriminate Sub and kaempfer trying to incriminate Link as well as Sub/Links posts so far.I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.
That's my exhortation here.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 10:22:20 am
So I said earlier that TorB and i often think alike. Well, it's blatantly obvious now that this isn't the case at all this game. I'm thinking that either one of us has lost their touch or our alignements differ.Using town Fate Egg Otyugh on an inactive that would get modkilled anyway is logically incorrect. The chance of having to justify your actions of killing a town and role claim are much higher than the chance of hitting a mafia to get some kind of confirmation. If you knew he'd be inactive, you could have deliberately targeted a teammate for cred.
First off there's the fate egg/oty business. It seems TorB still insists that not shooting would have been correct (and his comment about misrepresenting things was actually directed at how I perceived he interpreted my mental state). Now, in case you're interested I can go into more detail why that is mathematically the incorrect decision.
However, this is actually whatever, an honest mistake. NAI.
The reason I mention this is that going by his very own logic I should be scumreading him for it:Being wrong doesnt necessarily mean you are scum. I'm just saying this in case you are town, so you keep that in mind for the future.I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.
But upon rereading i noticed that the timing of his reads is rather odd in light of the votecounts at the time.
The logic of a random kill benefiting whatever faction performs the kill (mafia in particular) by being able to reduce the pool by at least yourself is mathematically understandable.
I would not do this to not draw attention to myself, and because it feels morally incorrect. So while using the ability feels logically incorrect from the perspective rob paints, the reason I would not use it in general is because it feels morally incorrect. It's like saying you would rather play mafia with fewer players.
As for the rest: my tunneling on rob felt justified by the vote count on him, but if there was no support for a rob vote, then it does not hurt to review my own perspective. It is in town's best interest to influence lynches away from other town, in mafia's best interest to influence lynches away from other mafia. So I can understand both perspectives on that on me.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 10:36:11 am
Haven't posted much due to being asleep and then working all day, sorry.
My quick flip on rob was me going from being convinced he was mafia to realising the other possibilities. If fate egg didn't exist, the only situation that makes sense to me was if rob was mafia, and so I went hard in that direction. Once I realised that fate egg was an option, the two scenarios (rob being mafia or town) are a lot more equal in my mind, so I laid off. I probably swung too hard in the other direction for what were roughly equal possibilities, but Rob's posts at that point read more genuine to me too, especially the fate egg explanation.
Btw sorry for putting the fate egg option out too openly - I assumed that I was the only one who didn't get it (which was why no one else was gunning so hard for rob) so I didn't think there was any harm in mentioning it. Maybe should have thought that through more.
The reasoning I mentioned when I voted for andre wasn't link's but rob's and masterwalk's which had combined in my mind when I made the post. (Looking bad that was phrased rather poorly.) My point was I was suspicious that linkcat might be orchestrating a lynch, but I'd gone through andre's posts at that point and agreed with the sentiment that he'd said enough to avoid inactivity suspicion but nothing of real substance.
Shockcannon's point about how no one seems to be deflecting or defending andre even though he's the lead to be lynched rings true to me, and I'm more suspicious of linkcat that I was before. Reading through rob's posts now that he's not just defending himself, I don't really have a read of him anymore. There's certainly still a reasonable chance he's mafia egg, and I like serp's suggestion.
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
I keep secondguessing my reads, and I fear a lot of the cryptic role stuff is going over my head. I don't like how link seems to be pushing the narrative so much more than others though, and I'd say he's my strongest scumread at this point. Townreads at the moment, aside from moe and serp, are probably torb and shock. I liked what cal was posting a while ago, but he hasn't said anything recently so I'd be interested in his perspective now. I was also leaning town on kae for a while and so the torb wall might make me reconsider things, but this is where I'm at right now.
Uhm, why are you not voting Linkcat then?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 10:53:57 am
Using town Fate Egg Otyugh on an inactive that would get modkilled anyway is logically incorrect Ok, but same logic applies to mafia doing that kill. If he's modkilled anyway this is just a waste. The chance of having to justify your actions of killing a town and role claim are much higher than the chance of hitting a mafia to get some kind of confirmationUm, the goal here is less to confirm yourself but more to eliminate a mafia; obv rob missed, but hindsight is 20/20. If you knew he'd be inactive, you could have deliberately targeted a teammate for credWee wooo, wee woo; you are suggesting here that mafia rob should have eaten a mafia member to get confirmed. This evidently didnt occur. The only people that have information on who they are working with are the mafia (and deja vus, but they obv dont eat people); Also the only way rob would have known if coffee was inactive is if both were mafia. Town rob has no insight on that other than lack of presence in thread..So I said earlier that TorB and i often think alike. Well, it's blatantly obvious now that this isn't the case at all this game. I'm thinking that either one of us has lost their touch or our alignements differ.
First off there's the fate egg/oty business. It seems TorB still insists that not shooting would have been correct (and his comment about misrepresenting things was actually directed at how I perceived he interpreted my mental state). Now, in case you're interested I can go into more detail why that is mathematically the incorrect decision.
However, this is actually whatever, an honest mistake. NAI.
The reason I mention this is that going by his very own logic I should be scumreading him for it:Being wrong doesnt necessarily mean you are scum. I'm just saying this in case you are town, so you keep that in mind for the future.I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.
But upon rereading i noticed that the timing of his reads is rather odd in light of the votecounts at the time.
The logic of a random kill benefiting whatever faction performs the kill (mafia in particular) by being able to reduce the pool by at least yourself is mathematically understandable.And for town also; you acknowledge it yet keep insisting that it's wrong?
I would not do this to not draw attention to myself, and because it feels morally incorrect. So while using the ability feels logically incorrect from the perspective rob paints, the reason I would not use it in general is because it feels morally incorrect. It's like saying you would rather play mafia with fewer players. Are you arguing that you wouldnt do it despite it being mechanically correct, because you feel it wrong to deny people to keep playing the game longer? Are you even trying to win?
As for the rest: my tunneling on rob felt justified by the vote count on him, but if there was no support for a rob vote, then it does not hurt to review my own perspective. It is in town's best interest to influence lynches away from other town, in mafia's best interest to influence lynches away from other mafia. So I can understand both perspectives on that on me.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 10:58:02 am
vv:
moehrpi
serprex
Man, I must be some kind of genius or sth.
v+:
MasterWalks:
shockcannon: Reasons, some of which I dont want to mention right now.
rob77dp: Fate egg action is NAI, but actually makes perfect sense unlike some people think. Overall he seems highly invested in keeping discussion going .I also have a bias given that i see Linkcats push on him as wolfy.
Submachine: I still think his overall confusion and questioning, while not very effective, wouldn't really serve any purpose if he was scum other than a mild distraction and me reading him this way. Even if he has high WIM I think he would find better uses of his time if he were scum.
n+:
Annele
Drops a little if Sub is scum, due to shocks observation.
n-:
Geo:
Regardless of alignement his inexperience is showing. I can see the perspective of town not wanting to get lynched and not having individual reads this early as well. However it disproportionally affects wolfes, as they have to worry a lot more about their survival and it's often hard to make up a read on a person whose alignement you are already perfectly aware of.
w:
TheonlyrealBeef
See previous post
Linkcat
I actually saw a lot of sensible posts from him after i called him out, so I will reread and reevaluate. I still have an underlying bad feeling about him though.
Still need sorting:
1. iancudorinmarian
6. Calindu
12. andretimpa
15. killsdazombies
16. DoubleCapitals
moehrpi
serprex
Man, I must be some kind of genius or sth.
v+:
MasterWalks:
Hats off if he faked the thing about his powerrole, clearing a player and than taking it back (apparently based on an answer to a rule question, which I find believable). I just can't see him of all people to make that up.
shockcannon: Reasons, some of which I dont want to mention right now.
rob77dp: Fate egg action is NAI, but actually makes perfect sense unlike some people think. Overall he seems highly invested in keeping discussion going .I also have a bias given that i see Linkcats push on him as wolfy.
Submachine: I still think his overall confusion and questioning, while not very effective, wouldn't really serve any purpose if he was scum other than a mild distraction and me reading him this way. Even if he has high WIM I think he would find better uses of his time if he were scum.
n+:
Annele
Drops a little if Sub is scum, due to shocks observation.
n-:
Geo:
Regardless of alignement his inexperience is showing. I can see the perspective of town not wanting to get lynched and not having individual reads this early as well. However it disproportionally affects wolfes, as they have to worry a lot more about their survival and it's often hard to make up a read on a person whose alignement you are already perfectly aware of.
w:
TheonlyrealBeef
See previous post
Linkcat
I actually saw a lot of sensible posts from him after i called him out, so I will reread and reevaluate. I still have an underlying bad feeling about him though.
Still need sorting:
1. iancudorinmarian
6. Calindu
12. andretimpa
15. killsdazombies
16. DoubleCapitals
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 11:19:45 am
Ok, but same logic applies to mafia doing that kill. If he's modkilled anyway this is just a wasteRight. So perhaps rob is not being truthful and is using this excuse for his own justification.
Wee wooo, wee woo; you are suggesting here that mafia rob should have eaten a mafia member to get confirmed. This evidently didnt occur. The only people that have information on who they are working with are the mafia (and deja vus, but they obv dont eat people); Also the only way rob would have known if coffee was inactive is if both were mafia. Town rob has no insight on that other than lack of presence in thread.No? Just that rob Fate Egg Otyugh eating a mafia would not prove anything because that is what he could have done.
Are you arguing that you wouldnt do it despite it being mechanically correct, because you feel it wrong to deny people to keep playing the game longer? Are you even trying to win?Sure, winning through uncovering the mafia through deduction, that is the fun part, not doing a crapshoot and praying you hit something good. But it is only mechanically correct if you are guaranteed there will be no backfire, you might even get policy lynched.
If the math adds up but you get lynched as town for it afterwards, you just screwed up big time. You can blame me, you can blame the rest of town, I blame the shortsightedness of a potential town Fate Egg Otyugh. But I do not believe rob is one.
Post by: Annele on May 25, 2020, 11:21:05 am
Uhm, why are you not voting Linkcat then?
I didn't think it would be worth it since rob is further ahead in the lynch this time, and also wanted to show my support for serp's plan. I was tossing up between them for a while before settling on rob. But, fair enough
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Post by: Calindu on May 25, 2020, 11:56:37 am
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Fixed the vote count, can't really contribute more at the moment as I have a deadline for a project tomorrow. I still read everything, so if anyone needs anything specific from me, just let me know.
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 12:16:34 pm
Just so we're 100% clear, eating Coffee was a good play as either alignment so that doesn't say much by itself, and it's amusing that multiple people are reading it both ways. It's his reactions afterward that you should be focusing on for your read.
Moe, I don't remember you mentioning a readslist, but if I had I would have called you out anyway since it didn't exist yet.
I am majorly mistaken here. Must have been dozing off and vividly imagining/dreaming up a post of yours. Really sorry about that... and I was so sure about it, too. :/
FWIW, it was singling me out and 'demanding [my] readslist immediately'. It was just out of place. Again my apologies.
It's called banter, rob, maybe you've heard of it?If real life relationships are any indication for me, I'm doomed to lose in anything that boils down to bantering well... ALthough, beyond banter I think post count likely ends up being heavily skewed by in-game life expectancy.
/Moe you can vote extension (or abstain on EXT) indpendent of game voting.
Thanks for the clarification! I probably would have figured it out by now. .Not that it mattered in that case. ;)
My flip on shock and kae is a result of me rereading roles and which ones are faster. In fact, after getting a mod question answered, my town read on shock has lessened and my town read on kaempf has improved.
Most people suspected that your confirmation wasn't waterproof in the first place. But that explanation should have been right next to your readslist when your view on shock first publicly changed.
kaempfer, welcome to "connecting with shock" I guess?
FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!
It is indicative of shock's reads. They are different from reads another person would make in his position. He's playing his own game, which he is winning by a landslide btw.
Ge0, you're here, good.
Please address why you went from reading me / my N0 as towny to thinking I'm scum and voting me... holding that vote on me still now. I want to see inside your thought process that led to you making that read change on me.
I don't know if I have an answer that will fully satisfy you but here goes.
I do not think I am currently very good at the game. My lack of knowledge on both the players and the game means it is fairly hard to make reads and contribute meaningful content. This is info I knew would be true and possibly problematic before the game had even begun. Nevertheles, I attempted to contribute to the best of my abilities, particularly after being called out by a couple people.
My first attempt at contributing I did read you as slight town. I abstained from voting because at the time I didn't want to jump on a wagon. Link then mentioned that witholding my vote was the "scummiest stance I could take", so I went back and re-read some posts to see if I could find any logic for me to vote on.
As a reminder, here is the tally at the time, before I voted:rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
After reading through things, I was unable to make any hard conclusions on scumreads and whatnot. I couldn't find a reason to add a vote for MW, torb, or sub. As stated in my reads post, I liked link and serp's logic. You were pointing fingers at people who no one else seemed to be pointing fingers at, and made a vote on torb. Others called you out on it for a bad read. You being a fate egg had not yet been explored. Does this all add up to me having a scumread on you? Not exactly. But it was at the time the strongest conclusion I had, in a time where I was being pressured to vote.
I hold the vote on you currently only because I don't know who to change my vote to and I don't want to withdraw my vote entirely.
Also I realize it may be frustrating as a vet to play with newer (read: weaker) players. I know I get frustrated in the games I play. So, apologies for potentially being a bad player.
You're doing fine. Just keep doing what your doing and eventually post more as your confidence in our own judgement grows. Opinions are always appreciated.
also stop trying to guess my role this early.
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deja_q_hd_046_resized_6484.jpg)
I want to qualify my previous statement that I dislike you memeing. This one I did enjoy.
Well, you are wrong about at least one thing.TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.
I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.
Besides I wouldnt panic that much over rob (in the obv nonexistent world of us w/w) now considering the votecount.
Anyway, what would you have done if you were fate egg and rolled oty (it's gone the next night). from what i am gathering you would have holstered? I'm not the only one that can explain to you why thats a mistake as either alignement.
I don't like how you feels so strongly about your convictions. It's not a mistake as either alignment. It's not a great play as either alignment as Link says. Get real. Scepticism is a good basis, tunnelling leaves out the bigger picture.
Still quite a bit lagging behind (page ~33). :|
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 02:31:52 pm
vv:
moehrpi
serprex
Man, I must be some kind of genius or sth.
v+:
MasterWalks:
Hats off if he faked the thing about his powerrole, clearing a player and than taking it back (apparently based on an answer to a rule question, which I find believable). I just can't see him of all people to make that up.
shockcannon: Reasons, some of which I dont want to mention right now.
rob77dp: Fate egg action is NAI, but actually makes perfect sense unlike some people think. Overall he seems highly invested in keeping discussion going .I also have a bias given that i see Linkcats push on him as wolfy.
Submachine: I still think his overall confusion and questioning, while not very effective, wouldn't really serve any purpose if he was scum other than a mild distraction and me reading him this way. Even if he has high WIM I think he would find better uses of his time if he were scum.
DoubleCapitals: I'm not sure why he would immediately admit to not having one of the confirmable town roles (its sorta baddish play as either alignement), but I lean he would have been less likely to do that as scum (as it makes him mechanically more lynchable). Also he seems to have made an excel tool to iso people more easily and would have shared it if he wasnt concerned about rulebreaks (actually I think this was in blab so someone should post the log here). Furthermore I find myself clicking with a lot of his reads and he seems pretty helpfull in general.
Also probably not w/w with Linkcat due to the freeze thing.
n+:
andretimpa: this is mostly due to how many people are ready to lynch him and how my scumleans are especially open to the thought.
killsdazombies: Really dumb read: I think a mafia member would be more acutely aware of EoD times.
Annele
Drops a little if Sub is scum, due to shocks observation.
iancudorinmarian: Some very reachy reasons to give him a teensy townread, but i am almost embarassed to write them. Fatigue might have kicked in, this is the last one i reviewed. Like his annoyance with the warden role and claiming that DC wouldn't be w/w with his scumreads. His minimum effort stance annoys me even now, but unfortunately I know its normal for him, otherwise I would have deduced points.
n:
Calindu: Other than his readlist he has been almost fully focussing on mechanics.His readlist is also not too inspiring, so I dont really have a read on him.
n-:
Geo:
Regardless of alignement his inexperience is showing. I can see the perspective of town not wanting to get lynched and not having individual reads this early as well. However it disproportionally affects wolfes, as they have to worry a lot more about their survival and it's often hard to make up a read on a person whose alignement you are already perfectly aware of.
w:
TheonlyrealBeef
See previous post
Linkcat
I actually saw a lot of sensible posts from him after i called him out, so I will reread and reevaluate. I still have an underlying bad feeling about him though.
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Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 02:31:58 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 02:36:55 pm
See, the major issue here is that the math is based purely on the kill itself with no mind on the reactions of people, in a game based on reading people.Ok, but same logic applies to mafia doing that kill. If he's modkilled anyway this is just a wasteRight. So perhaps rob is not being truthful and is using this excuse for his own justification.Wee wooo, wee woo; you are suggesting here that mafia rob should have eaten a mafia member to get confirmed. This evidently didnt occur. The only people that have information on who they are working with are the mafia (and deja vus, but they obv dont eat people); Also the only way rob would have known if coffee was inactive is if both were mafia. Town rob has no insight on that other than lack of presence in thread.No? Just that rob Fate Egg Otyugh eating a mafia would not prove anything because that is what he could have done.Are you arguing that you wouldnt do it despite it being mechanically correct, because you feel it wrong to deny people to keep playing the game longer? Are you even trying to win?Sure, winning through uncovering the mafia through deduction, that is the fun part, not doing a crapshoot and praying you hit something good. But it is only mechanically correct if you are guaranteed there will be no backfire, you might even get policy lynched.
If the math adds up but you get lynched as town for it afterwards, you just screwed up big time. You can blame me, you can blame the rest of town, I blame the shortsightedness of a potential town Fate Egg Otyugh. But I do not believe rob is one.
I can kind of see that you could have meant that, but if so you could use some help with how to correctly use a cycle x vig in a mafia game. I cant be arsed to keep arguing with you about it and this is sth that other people can explain to you.
The short if it is, if a play has an average positive outcome for town (provided it was done with good intentions), it should be done and people shouldn't get lynched over it.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 02:49:20 pm
Mafia lose because reads etc. Say you have the option Day 0 to vig 15 players. Do you?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 02:54:05 pm
I wouldn't call 4/19 an average positive(https://i.etsystatic.com/7668058/r/il/ad7b5e/631968683/il_570xN.631968683_kkvq.jpg)
Mafia lose because reads etc. Say you have the option Day 0 to vig 15 players. Do you?
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 02:57:03 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 03:01:06 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 03:02:09 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 03:08:47 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 03:23:47 pm
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Literally every other wagon is at least n+ imo so this is the only viable wagon fmpov. I do have to reread what Link said more recently though.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 03:31:59 pm
Right before I did so, me and Torb were working on a rob/andre connection. Rob then immediately turns on andre despite being noncommittal earlier.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297284/#msg1297284
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Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 03:59:06 pm
kdz's readslist is actually good and what I would expect from his level of engagement at this point.
Rob's still isn't great, expecially the kaempfer and shock vv reads.
Annele not voting for her strongest scumread is kind of sus, then kaempfer calls her out and she switches, not sure how I feel about this.
Kaempfer's scumreads still bad.
moe, I agree that my previous shitposts weren't great. Thanks for recognizing a good one, though.
And finally, some votes on me. I applaud your enthusiasm, but it's not going through.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 04:05:37 pm
Shock... dear shock:
1. You describe voting me for infolynch (or what amounts to an infolynch -- you want to get your hands on some kind of juicy info that comes from me flipping either alignment?? Need to lynch SCUM not for info - lynching a scum will give lots of juicy info AND helps town win-con. You want that right? (sometimes tough to be sure with how you post...) There has to be some source somebody knows about that goes into good detail about why/how infolynch is not a good idea. (Hint: check out Link's early game posts for a MafiaUniverse link.)
2. The extension seems quite likely the last 1-2 hours of the Day phase... you are underestimating how much "time" that is for a phase to complete... it seem rather presumptious to think that scum had to be scrambling and since we don't see much of that in thread from timpa you conclude he is likely town. I think Sub was actually in more danger than timpa at the time you're referring to but you don't give Sub the same "probably town because nobody was scrambling to save him" treatment. Can you explain some why? I am guessing you just do not have a large pool of EOD experience from which to have seen real EOD scrambles - that is, we have different definitions of what you're using to read as towny. Yay / nay?
3. What do you mean it is hard to believe a scum could be / coudl have been / could still be on the chopping block on Day 1? It isn't that uncommon of a result, honestly. I chalk this up to your probably being a bit new to playing mafia, in the grand sense of things.
4. No need to worry or fret about what to do if I flip red. WIFOM, of course, for you, but yeah...
5. About your reads... a) Do you have more to your town-read on timpa than "he was a wagon candidate near fake-EOD1"? b) What are you basing your highest level of suspicion read of kdz on at this point? so far he has mostly AFK'd (self-admittedly even) and his reads post which is easily his most substantive brief as it is didn't drop until AFTER you have him a top suspicious read of yours - I would like to read some about why/how from your perspective.
My take -- I don't want to keep going to this well forever, but as I read shock's post I just don't find it feasible he would do that as scum. Yes, it seems like how regular-shock I know a little bit from the game/forum might approach mafia games, and aligns with how others say he has done as town before and is implying that I do not expect him capable of acting quite this (what word to use? ... ...) blustery and grandiose if he had a team to discuss with and a team he _might_ just might listen to about trying to be less "on the radar". It is quite possible I am tragically underestimating shock... time will tell.
I find a lot in the post to disagree with or counter but in the most shock way possible, I'm keeping the town-read on him through it.rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
I must say I'm curious how rob will flip. We have plenty of interactions of players with him and I am very intrigued by how he went from the vote leader with many non-voters suspecting him to almost no one voting him. Additionally, the more I try to picture scenarios where andretimpa is mafia with different combinations of other mafia members, the more I think he is a guaranteed town. He was extremely close to being lynched, and even voted on Masterwalks who had 0 votes at the time instead of joining the submachine train to even the vote and keep himself alive. Additionally, the extension timer which also would have saved andretimpa was not voted on very quickly and the initial people who voted for an extension comprised mostly of the players who wanted to lynch andretimpa, which doesn't add up to him being the mafia.
I also have a hard time believing that town is good enough or that mafia is bad enough to come so close to losing any member on day 1. Additionally, to entertain TorB's idea that andre, kaempf, and rob are all mafia, it's almost unfathomable to me that 3/4 mafia would be leading votes for lynch on day 1. This could be a possibility if the mafia were voting each other to make it harder to track down all of them should one of them get lynched, yet we see none of these 3 voting on each other and we don't even see any of these 3 voting on the same player. Yet again, another piece of evidence that doesn't add up to the theory. I also have a hard time believing that TorB would be mafia with 3 other members to help guide his play and still present this theory. The most likely outcome of day 1 is a bunch of town accusing each other because of lack of info while the mafia gets to pick and choose where they enter and exit conversation.
Another interesting topic is Linkcat. He was the first to vote for rob and the first to vote for andre. Now that doesn't mean much, but the interactions with rob have been quite interesting, and will need to be explored further if rob flips mafia. Additionally, he has definitely placed himself in a position to control the flow of conversation and kaempfer even pointed this out earlier and called him out as being suspicious, to which he responded in a way that was very inadequate for me personally. Linkcat has also disregarded all my posts as irrelevant. He asks for scum reads and votes, yet when I offer that him, rob, and MW would be the most useful lynch targets for revealing things, this isn't even brought up. If someone else were to say this I can almost guarantee there would be several responses discussing this. Then when I make a post more in line with "proper play and meaningful discussion" and point out a noteworthy action by Annele this is seemingly rewarded as if I should explore this theory more and maybe tunnel on her. The funny thing is, Annele switching votes and making the comments she made is what makes me the most certain that she is town. I'm sure Linkcat will have some response as he always does as to how my arguments are either bad or irrelevant, but this section is mostly for myself, kaempf, and serprex as I believe they will actually listen to me and think about the idea of Linkcat being one of the major mafia suspects right now.
Now I'm going to give a list so everyone has something to work off when trying to read me, because I want people to listen to me when I say that we should figure out votes now and not at the deadline. Town is too prone to make mistakes and be at the mercy of mafia if we wait too long to vote. I wasn't going to vote this phase, but now that it has been extended and with everyone still keen on making a lynch, it's too risky to let this lynch go badly.
Likely town:
serprex
moehrpi
kaempfer13
andretimpa
TheonlyrealBeef
Annele
Unsure, need more time to consider:
Submachine
iancudorinmarian
Ge0metry v1.2
DoubleCapitals
Suspicious:
Linkcat
rob77dp
MasterWalks
Calindu
killsdazombies
I agree with points 2 and 3, disagree with your overall take. Shock, at that point there was still a lot of room to switch lynches, mostly depending on whether I decided to push through the andre lynch or not. EoD gets crazy here.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 04:06:44 pm
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Fixed the vote count, can't really contribute more at the moment as I have a deadline for a project tomorrow. I still read everything, so if anyone needs anything specific from me, just let me know.
Sub isn't happening, give me your top 3 scumreads.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 04:11:35 pm
Which he hasn't done btw, to my dismay
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 25, 2020, 05:23:08 pm
PS rob, I wasn't telling Ge0 to match my reads, I was telling him to move on from tunnelling on you & get on with giving us his take on the remaining players
Which he hasn't done btw, to my dismay
I made an attempt (albeit, a weak one) last night to probe kaemp on his lack of vote which at the time of me falling asleep, he had not responded. Just woke up, saw that he has voted. Great.
I am on phone and have work soon, but here is a quick readslist with minimal notes. Largely composed of gut feel and sheeping logic from others that made sense to me. I didn't/don't feel confident enough to go too in depth on anything regardless.
vv
serp
moe
v
torb
kdz - largely gut feel
n+
link
shock - really liked his posts after he stopped using spoilers, particularly liked his note about certain lynches not being useful regardless of how they flip
sub+- (n)
sub - gets his own catagory because who spends 6+ hours writing for mafia
n - everyone in this group hard to read for me
ian
mw
cal
dc
n-
rob - focusing a little too hard on my reads on him imo, yes im aware i was focused on his read of me as well, i will do my best not to tunnel on him
kaemp - overly defensive as mentioned by others, also only person who's readlist i did not like at all
andre - posts weren't convincing imo but whoever mentioned he didn't try too hard to defend himself or start another train i think is quite interesting
w
annele - gut feel, some sus pointed out by link i think
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
I will be back at least once before deadline, vote is not set in stone
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 05:44:33 pm
Until then, several posts I want to get to posting more about later, but right now I want to address something from Ge0 here and he pinged me about indicating shock saying it too. I did not recall it being as blatant in shock's post but I went and looked. Wtf are people doing stating things like:
-snip-And
n+
link
shock - really liked his posts after he stopped using spoilers, particularly liked his note about certain lynches not being useful regardless of how they flip
-snip-
-snip-
rob - I mean, I think he's mafia. So no issues here. Even if he flips town that vastly improves all our other reads since he's received several votes already and has interacted heavily with almost everyone. Rob should be really be the #1 contender for day 1 lynch. Like imagine lynching andre. If he's mafia great, but if he's not we don't gain a whole lot. Even if rob is town I still think we gain quite a bit.
-snip-
Town perspective should NEVER, I repeat never, be interested in thinking a town flip on a lynch is a good thing. I am struggling to even find a type of setup or specialty role in any game I've done where town gains by lynching town. This smacks of a scum push - or bad town push/logic. There just is not room for wanting to be OK with lynching town if you're town and honestly trying to win the game.
"gain quite a bit" - no, you don't. flipping town from a lynch, the town lost. plain, simple.
"if he's mafia, great... but..." - no, flipping a mafia from a lynch is a win for town. plain, simple.
"if ... flips town... improves our reads..." - just get out, flipping town is BAD. FOR. TOWN.
"lynches not ... useful no matter how they flip" - this cannot (or at worst should not) be the thought process if you're town... if a lynch flips red, IT. IS. GOOD. FOR. TOWN. plain, simple.
I'll be back for a little less chastising posting later... but good grief people, let's seriously all get on at least a level 1 plane for playing and solving this game.
Infolynch = bad idea.
Policy lynch = bad idea.
Grudge lynch = bad idea.
Red / scum lynch = very good.
Green / town lynch = very bad.
Gut / feel reads are a thing.
/rant
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 05:47:00 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 05:49:38 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 05:50:00 pm
The 4 of us need to align our votes. I think our views align decently at this point in time and I don't think 3 votes will be enough to win the lynch with possibly last minute mafia tampering. It really REALLY bothers me that every time rob gets new votes, something happens that causes the old voters to switch off rob. He has had the most number of different players voting for him and yet his vote count has never gone above 3.
Having said this, I'm also willing to vote up Linkcat if you all feel that's a stronger target. We really need to coordinate though. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Annele and kaempfer are mafia, and how they respond to this could change my views. Kaempf coming out to vote on Linkcat all of sudden and Annele being so easily swayed by Linkcat to switch her vote off rob multiple times now are both red flags to me. You two are still high up on my town read list though so I'm willing to trust this group of 4 to make a move today and thwart any mafia plans.
Adjustments to read list:
Submachine --> seems more town now due to his last post
kdz --> even more suspicious after last post. This to me is the lay low mafia member who uses inexperience and lack of participation as a cover similar to how Ginyu did a couple mafias ago.
MW - more suspicious. Just from reading other's lists about him and the lack of responses after I suggested multiple times that he is mafia is a red flag for me.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 05:56:48 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 06:02:08 pm
You know what's really not useful? You killing Coffee and him flipping town.
I would like to present to the village a set of facts.
1. Mafia wants to kill town, town wants to kill mafia.
2. Mafia killed w3, a town.
3. Rob killed Coffee, a town.
(https://png.pngitem.com/pimgs/s/139-1399936_starethink-discord-emoji-discord-thinking-emoji-transparent-hd.png)
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 06:09:47 pm
We're voting off rob. I'm not changing my vote. If rob is n- (or even n) for you, vote with me
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 06:10:24 pm
@serprex @Annele @kaempfer13
The 4 of us need to align our votes. I think our views align decently at this point in time and I don't think 3 votes will be enough to win the lynch with possibly last minute mafia tampering. It really REALLY bothers me that every time rob gets new votes, something happens that causes the old voters to switch off rob. He has had the most number of different players voting for him and yet his vote count has never gone above 3.
Having said this, I'm also willing to vote up Linkcat if you all feel that's a stronger target. We really need to coordinate though. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Annele and kaempfer are mafia, and how they respond to this could change my views. Kaempf coming out to vote on Linkcat all of sudden and Annele being so easily swayed by Linkcat to switch her vote off rob multiple times now are both red flags to me. You two are still high up on my town read list though so I'm willing to trust this group of 4 to make a move today and thwart any mafia plans.
Adjustments to read list:
Submachine --> seems more town now due to his last post
kdz --> even more suspicious after last post. This to me is the lay low mafia member who uses inexperience and lack of participation as a cover similar to how Ginyu did a couple mafias ago.
MW - more suspicious. Just from reading other's lists about him and the lack of responses after I suggested multiple times that he is mafia is a red flag for me.
Annele never voted on rob.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 06:11:47 pm
Stupid cat
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 06:13:42 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 06:15:49 pm
Rob's still misrepresenting things. Town can't know the result of a flip beforehand. So you given the choice between two scummy targets, you pick the most informative
We're voting off rob. I'm not changing my vote. If rob is n- (or even n) for you, vote with me
I'd rather vote off andre than rob. He's more likely to be mafia if there's only one between them, and it's a safer way to test the rob/andre theory. Rob's too valuable to lynch unless we're sure of it.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 06:17:22 pm
fwiw she wasn't swayed by Linkcat, but by kaempf, to switch her vote to Linkcat
Whoops, she was on rob for less than a page, easy to miss. Still, it makes shock's statement even dumber.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 06:27:39 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 25, 2020, 06:30:44 pm
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Fixed the vote count, can't really contribute more at the moment as I have a deadline for a project tomorrow. I still read everything, so if anyone needs anything specific from me, just let me know.
Sub isn't happening, give me your top 3 scumreads.
At this point, excluding Sub, it's rob, andre and you. However, kae's posts since last night give me a strange feeling to be honest.
I'll vote on andre for now, to not hammer the lynch on rob, but I find rob as a valid lynch today as well.
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Will try to be on at end of day but can't promise sadly.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 06:32:58 pm
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 06:34:23 pm
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Fixed the vote count, can't really contribute more at the moment as I have a deadline for a project tomorrow. I still read everything, so if anyone needs anything specific from me, just let me know.
Sub isn't happening, give me your top 3 scumreads.
At this point, excluding Sub, it's rob, andre and you. However, kae's posts since last night give me a strange feeling to be honest.
I'll vote on andre for now, to not hammer the lynch on rob, but I find rob as a valid lynch today as well.
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Will try to be on at end of day but can't promise sadly.
Why are your scumreads precisely any wagon that happened during the day?
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 06:35:39 pm
rob77dp (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 06:36:07 pm
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
I'm dumb.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 06:53:35 pm
Cal, i really need that response, going full consensus with very superficial reasoning is kinda sus.
I'm also talking about votes obv.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 06:58:33 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 07:06:06 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 07:07:27 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 25, 2020, 07:08:05 pm
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Fixed the vote count, can't really contribute more at the moment as I have a deadline for a project tomorrow. I still read everything, so if anyone needs anything specific from me, just let me know.
Sub isn't happening, give me your top 3 scumreads.
At this point, excluding Sub, it's rob, andre and you. However, kae's posts since last night give me a strange feeling to be honest.
I'll vote on andre for now, to not hammer the lynch on rob, but I find rob as a valid lynch today as well.
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Will try to be on at end of day but can't promise sadly.
Why are your scumreads precisely any wagon that happened during the day?
They were on my read list, long before this post, I haven't changed my opinion too much on anyone other than you since then, since I didn't have the time to fully analyse everything.
As for why I voted specifically on andre, I thought rob was at 3 votes before, and I think hammering him when I'm not sure I can be active at end of day is bad. Moreover, if he flips mafia, this pretty much confirms rob and Link to me, and I see that as a big advantage for town.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 07:10:58 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 07:13:26 pm
Also, if kaempfer flips mafia, rob is also likely mafia.
If rob flips mafia, andretimpa is also likely mafia.
So all three of those lynches are good in my opinion.
Sub and Link are probably town, because of current lynch counts along with rob trying to incriminate Sub and kaempfer trying to incriminate Link as well as Sub/Links posts so far.I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.
That's my exhortation here.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 07:14:00 pm
You and Annele need to switch to rob before we mislynch andre.The issue is I am equally stubborn to not vote rob as serprex is to do so.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 07:15:21 pm
kaempfer13 is constantly attacking people on either the andretimpa or rob77dp train, but no one else. I wonder why.Also, if kaempfer flips mafia, rob is also likely mafia.
If rob flips mafia, andretimpa is also likely mafia.
So all three of those lynches are good in my opinion.
Sub and Link are probably town, because of current lynch counts along with rob trying to incriminate Sub and kaempfer trying to incriminate Link as well as Sub/Links posts so far.I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.
If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.
TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.
That's my exhortation here.
Because those have been lead wagons for way too long/frequently.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:15:28 pm
You and Annele need to switch to rob before we mislynch andre.Why should they listen to you? How should any of us, except scum, act like timpa is surely a ML? What's your angle on this shock??
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:15:52 pm
You think we have 3 scum wagons right now?No. Fact.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 07:17:15 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 07:17:28 pm
Here's how I see it. If rob is mafia, then my theory is likely correct and andre is also mafia. If rob is town, then we both have andre as our top scumread, so he's almost definitely mafia. Either way this is the best lynch.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:18:16 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 07:20:24 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 07:23:29 pm
You and Annele need to switch to rob before we mislynch andre.The issue is I am equally stubborn to not vote rob as serprex is to do so.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:24:57 pm
Haven't posted much due to being asleep and then working all day, sorry.I struggle to see this type of progression on reading me as genuine, that is, I think it is faked which is what scum have to do to 'pretend' to read players. She had me scummy, then was willing to sheep my read / vote, then has no read of me any more, and then thinks reasonable chance I'm a mafia egg. What?? Also, it is FALSE that andre is an easy wagon or push... a few players have had suspcicion or shade on him and yet he topped out at 3 votes... I don't believe it is a real thought (rather, likely a mafia viewpoint trying to sound real?) timpa is a real wagon. Annele is someone is still a scumread for me, I would vote there too - keeping on timpa another scumread of mine. It makes sense from some things in here possibly Annele/timpa as w/w.
My quick flip on rob was me going from being convinced he was mafia to realising the other possibilities. If fate egg didn't exist, the only situation that makes sense to me was if rob was mafia, and so I went hard in that direction. Once I realised that fate egg was an option, the two scenarios (rob being mafia or town) are a lot more equal in my mind, so I laid off. I probably swung too hard in the other direction for what were roughly equal possibilities, but Rob's posts at that point read more genuine to me too, especially the fate egg explanation.
Btw sorry for putting the fate egg option out too openly - I assumed that I was the only one who didn't get it (which was why no one else was gunning so hard for rob) so I didn't think there was any harm in mentioning it. Maybe should have thought that through more.
The reasoning I mentioned when I voted for andre wasn't link's but rob's and masterwalk's which had combined in my mind when I made the post. (Looking bad that was phrased rather poorly.) My point was I was suspicious that linkcat might be orchestrating a lynch, but I'd gone through andre's posts at that point and agreed with the sentiment that he'd said enough to avoid inactivity suspicion but nothing of real substance.
Shockcannon's point about how no one seems to be deflecting or defending andre even though he's the lead to be lynched rings true to me, and I'm more suspicious of linkcat that I was before. Reading through rob's posts now that he's not just defending himself, I don't really have a read of him anymore. There's certainly still a reasonable chance he's mafia egg, and I like serp's suggestion.
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
I keep secondguessing my reads, and I fear a lot of the cryptic role stuff is going over my head. I don't like how link seems to be pushing the narrative so much more than others though, and I'd say he's my strongest scumread at this point. Townreads at the moment, aside from moe and serp, are probably torb and shock. I liked what cal was posting a while ago, but he hasn't said anything recently so I'd be interested in his perspective now. I was also leaning town on kae for a while and so the torb wall might make me reconsider things, but this is where I'm at right now.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:27:14 pm
Reminder that I'm the one that pushed the andre wagon, rob only decided to bus after and now he can't back down since he's already committed.You STARTED an andre push, I have a scumread on him and am voting and actively pushing that wagon. You're just sitting on it, really, from where I sit. It's not possible for town to "bus" anyone so you're wrong, I know you're wrong (you may or may not know you're wrong). If things go south and I get lynched here a town!Link revisits how he is playing things. Keep an eye out, if I flip/lynch here.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 07:28:44 pm
TorB - you think my pressuring timpa, who has yet to show back up... so my vote stays where it is for now on timpa. You think it is bussing where I'm pushing, voting, and continuing to push a hard-get-rolling timpa-wagon on a teammate? First, it isn't possible, but if your town I concede that you don't know that yet --- so explain why town!TorB really thinks that's the case??Why must you keep phrasing things like these as impossible, when they are not? If all three of you voted on the same town we'd get a town info lynch. I'm sure you love the sound of that.
Reminder that I'm the one that pushed the andre wagon, rob only decided to bus after and now he can't back down since he's already committed.As long as not everyone is convinced (lynch counts show this), it's much easier to keep pretending like this is not even possible.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:29:11 pm
See, the major issue here is that the math is based purely on the kill itself with no mind on the reactions of people, in a game based on reading people.No, that is not right and also does not make sense. That would mean mafia killing during the night is essentially the only night killing - it is demonstrably true that town taking kill shots at night is/can be win-con beneficial --- and even when you don't "know" the target is scum!Ok, but same logic applies to mafia doing that kill. If he's modkilled anyway this is just a wasteRight. So perhaps rob is not being truthful and is using this excuse for his own justification.Wee wooo, wee woo; you are suggesting here that mafia rob should have eaten a mafia member to get confirmed. This evidently didnt occur. The only people that have information on who they are working with are the mafia (and deja vus, but they obv dont eat people); Also the only way rob would have known if coffee was inactive is if both were mafia. Town rob has no insight on that other than lack of presence in thread.No? Just that rob Fate Egg Otyugh eating a mafia would not prove anything because that is what he could have done.Are you arguing that you wouldnt do it despite it being mechanically correct, because you feel it wrong to deny people to keep playing the game longer? Are you even trying to win?Sure, winning through uncovering the mafia through deduction, that is the fun part, not doing a crapshoot and praying you hit something good. But it is only mechanically correct if you are guaranteed there will be no backfire, you might even get policy lynched.
If the math adds up but you get lynched as town for it afterwards, you just screwed up big time. You can blame me, you can blame the rest of town, I blame the shortsightedness of a potential town Fate Egg Otyugh. But I do not believe rob is one.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:30:33 pm
No, I am saying I ... I, rob, rob77dp, me, myself - I know it isn't bussing, I know my alignment. I admit you don't know it (if you're town) so a town!TorB may, might, could conceivably actually think I'm bussing. I, myself, as I stated before, ME, I know it is impossible that I'm bussing.TorB - you think my pressuring timpa, who has yet to show back up... so my vote stays where it is for now on timpa. You think it is bussing where I'm pushing, voting, and continuing to push a hard-get-rolling timpa-wagon on a teammate? First, it isn't possible, but if your town I concede that you don't know that yet --- so explain why town!TorB really thinks that's the case??Why must you keep phrasing things like these as impossible, when they are not? If all three of you voted on the same town we'd get a town info lynch. I'm sure you love the sound of that.Reminder that I'm the one that pushed the andre wagon, rob only decided to bus after and now he can't back down since he's already committed.As long as not everyone is convinced (lynch counts show this), it's much easier to keep pretending like this is not even possible.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 07:30:50 pm
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Alright if you guys don't want to coordinate that's fine. I've already offered way more than I planned to this day phase so I'm out then. Maybe watching the mafia manipulate this entire vote while you're too stubborn to realize it will help you all see the light when Day 2 comes around. Good luck trying to vote out a mafia this round without me.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 07:31:11 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 07:33:04 pm
See, the major issue here is that the math is based purely on the kill itself with no mind on the reactions of people, in a game based on reading people.No, that is not right and also does not make sense. That would mean mafia killing during the night is essentially the only night killing - it is demonstrably true that town taking kill shots at night is/can be win-con beneficial --- and even when you don't "know" the target is scum!Ok, but same logic applies to mafia doing that kill. If he's modkilled anyway this is just a wasteRight. So perhaps rob is not being truthful and is using this excuse for his own justification.Wee wooo, wee woo; you are suggesting here that mafia rob should have eaten a mafia member to get confirmed. This evidently didnt occur. The only people that have information on who they are working with are the mafia (and deja vus, but they obv dont eat people); Also the only way rob would have known if coffee was inactive is if both were mafia. Town rob has no insight on that other than lack of presence in thread.No? Just that rob Fate Egg Otyugh eating a mafia would not prove anything because that is what he could have done.Are you arguing that you wouldnt do it despite it being mechanically correct, because you feel it wrong to deny people to keep playing the game longer? Are you even trying to win?Sure, winning through uncovering the mafia through deduction, that is the fun part, not doing a crapshoot and praying you hit something good. But it is only mechanically correct if you are guaranteed there will be no backfire, you might even get policy lynched.
If the math adds up but you get lynched as town for it afterwards, you just screwed up big time. You can blame me, you can blame the rest of town, I blame the shortsightedness of a potential town Fate Egg Otyugh. But I do not believe rob is one.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:33:25 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 07:38:16 pm
I like that observation Link. Care to start a wagon as what develops? I do.Stop trying to buddy me.
I can buddy whoever I want, buddy (hint- I'm not buddying anyone).Then some time later:
Rob, buddy, just claim Fate Egg so I don't have to lynch you today. I would really love to play with you some more.This one is barely relevant, but the contradiction is hilarious to me. This whole buddying thing is either a joke, a contradiction, or it suggests that Link can buddy rob but rob can't buddy Link. Moving on.
just claim Fate Egg so I don't have to lynch you today.But apparently Link controls who gets lynched. Be it Town or Mafia, but it is O R C H E S T R A T E time, baby.~
(It would be logical if Link meant voting and not lynching, but assuming control over the lynch is something I can see him doing. Even if this is what happened, this is NAI (not indicative of alignment) for Link.)
edit:
And finally, some votes on me. I applaud your enthusiasm, but it's not going through.LOL. This is what I'm talking about.
Not voting is good while you agree with the tally. Gives a wide net for who could be graboid. Even if GN is off the table, there's still nice roles out there like Psion & FFQ. Let mafia have to risk missing on graboid if they want to go after the no-vote crowd
I [...] need to challenge my own thinking that maybe voting early in the day can stimulate discussion but it sums up my own perception.
As I said before, good idea but voting is more valuable. Usually there's 1 or 2 people who like to hold on to votes, but if more people do it that's an easy way to mislynch.
I didn't vote before because of the graboid suggestion but I'd like to see what sub has to say before he's killed. There seems to be a lot to this story that I've somehow missed? I'm curious to see how much it will change.Asking everyone. What's the final concensus on holding back votes to hide the Graboid? In case you haven't noticed yet, I haven't voted yet either. I am intentionally pointing this out to make people think I am not a Graboid, but if I am, that would explain my lack of votes.~
In case anyone is holding back a vote because of this, is that okay or nay?
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt townThis comment is based solely on reading the thread. He did not gain any information from his role.
What I mean is, everyone assumed kae was not the Golden Nymph after the GN dropped dead, and no other roles check primaries, so it felt obvious to me that it was only a read. But you seem to have knowledge of his role. Possibilities, from most likely to least likely:
I don't wanna say it out loud. Let's just say "This is not the time to be softing...".- MW only made an assumption but treated it like a fact (kae could have been Egg Nymph for all we know).
MW and kae are working together outside the topic.
edit:
My role has nothing to do with me believing serp or really my kaempfer read.I did not see this. >_> I do not delete this part from my post, in case MW slipped and someone else instructed him to make an excuse. (Still the least likely explanation from the three.)
TOWN READS (in order of most town read to least town read)Hmmm......
shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town
In case MW is Town, I make no comment here. Even though I am very tempted.
Sub is never low key as scum.I am never low key as Town either. Ask Jonny boi (JCJ).~
TOWN READS
submachine- is doing submachine stuff. i expect him to be slightly more low key as scum.
Rob- Im on the rob wouldnt be that stupid as scum bandwagon
Sub is never low key as scum.
I do think your correct on sub, and i would like to remove him at this time from my town readsThis is literally how this conversation was, without any skips.
It didn't take much convincing, yet Link has been also saying rob would do the same thing if he was scum, but rob stayed in MW's townreads. Maybe it's because this time Link directly spoke to MW, and not to everyone. It cannot be that MW just trusts Linkcat enough to take his word, because Link was not on his read list. But let's break down the options.
- MW is Town:
- MW felt intimidated that Link spoke to him directly, so quickly changed his opinion. Sheeping would be a town trait.
- MW may not trust Link, but believes his judgment about other players. Link spoke to him directly, so he caught this message, but he missed Link's similar anti-thesis about rob (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297004/#msg1297004), where Link says rob would be capable to do the same thing as Mafia.
- Linkcat reminded MW something else with his comment, which MW didn't elaborate. Whether MW disagrees with Link's view on rob or just ignores it, is unknown.
- MW is Mafia, Link is Town: MW changed his opinion quickly, because the readlist was fake. If Mafia can justify townreading less Town players, they would take the chance. It makes lynching them later easier. But just as suddenly voting on someone who a person has townread the whole game, this sudden switch is also suspicious.
- MW is Mafia, Link is Mafia: Almost the same as above, except MW felt like Link was suggesting him to change his play. It would make sense too for Link to command other mafia if he was one.
edit:
nHis next readlist reveals he actually put rob back too. Though it feels like only because he revealed Fate Egg, and only after he revealed Fate Egg.
Rob (hes fate egg. it took long enough. Could be wrong but i dont think that doesnt mean hes not mafia)
I haven't responded to the Deja Vu revelation yet, but I trust their word for it. No counterclaims, that should be enough. Using Psion to check them is a waste of a night.Text is "DejaVu:moe,serp"Well, this is as close as mechanically confirmed for me, since there's no way mafia risks 2 of their players to hard claim DejaVu. Someone do check them with Psion or even Endow for that matter, but it is not urgent in my opinion.
And endow... is not really worth it. We already know Mafia can also become Deja Vu, so the only thing a Crusader can gain is chat.
@Calindu: You have been previously upset about the idea to let the fate of Town rest in the hands of only 2 people. What is your opinion about Linkcat taking control of the game?
vNot arguably, ian did the same thing as rob 2 mafias ago, yet he calls it a bad decision here. It looks like subtle shade throwing.
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I don't think he's mafia.
n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
A HUGE caveat here is that Link is a notoriously difficult read for me, and we have a fairly colorful history of interactions in games we both participate.
I'm not sure how to read linkcat just yet but I agree with the reasoning behind it.
Linkcat - I am really unsure how to read him,I have yet to read anyone who has a grasp on Link. Until then, I draw the conclusion that Linkcat is unreadable. This is the point where Town has to rely on power roles.
And now we have come to this.I decided not to continue this train of thought. Kae, MW, and shock further discussed this, and while they left it ambiguous, I find it better to keep it ambiguous.http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297036/#msg1297036
Shockcannon, after only one night, is certain kaempfer is Town. We had foreshadowing during Night 0.There's a high probability kaempfer13 is involved with my plans for tonight.
Soon after shock's latter post, we have this:i agree with shocks last message
This is to be continued. I need to elaborate why this ended up as confusing.
You mentioned RQs, I'm not seeing any RQs. You did mention you would only do them when discussion dies down, so that's okay. In total, I'm just seeing a lot of I will statements from him, but he's not backing them up.Fair points, mostly an issue with available time. Right now, my highest priority is to catch up with my full analysis, but I am quite far behind, so I might drop it at one point.More later, too many people are posting.I'm still waiting for the strategies.Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust.You're not dead yet, follow your own advice?I am confused about several things, but I am too afraid to ask, and honestly, I don't even know where to start.Your argument is invalid. I want all the questions. Questions left unanswered can sometimes tell more than the answers themselves would.I see more people addressed me, but do excuse me if I only respond to them tomorrow. :-XPlease do, that may very well lift most suspicion. You're only standing here on the list because you're consistently failing to follow up.
The RQS is mostly planned to spark conversation, with added hope it gives useful insight. Spoiler: My question will be, how would you behave if you were Mafia, and can you show an example of it? Anyone who wants can answer it right away.
And I did not continue the strategy list, because nobody responded to it, and eventually I forgot about it. Looking back, I was not too far from finishing it.
- Crusader should be used for "Psion" purposes, rather than waiting for someone to reveal GN. (Especially now.) Angels are your best bet, but Angels would never claim, so pick someone who would never claim.
- Vultures should grab some of that fallen GN booty, but it would be a surprising development if a less notable player secretly grabbed an Otyugh. It could throw a wrench in Mafia's plan during endgame, but strictly during endgame.
- Any other shenanigans I can think of should come naturally. (Keep talking if you die as Phoenix, if you are Frozen ask for Adrenaline, do not brazenly ask for Momentum because that can give away your role, etc.)
I have a wild theory about Linkcat's role that would explain his behavior if he was Town. I do not want to openly discuss it, but I am looking for a sign from Link. @Link: Are you what I think you are? Wink wink.
Still only Page 26... It felt like 39 pages. I am posting a preview again to take a break.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 07:38:43 pm
Reminder that I'm the one that pushed the andre wagon, rob only decided to bus after and now he can't back down since he's already committed.You STARTED an andre push, I have a scumread on him and am voting and actively pushing that wagon. You're just sitting on it, really, from where I sit. It's not possible for town to "bus" anyone so you're wrong, I know you're wrong (you may or may not know you're wrong). If things go south and I get lynched here a town!Link revisits how he is playing things. Keep an eye out, if I flip/lynch here.
MAY I REMIND EVERYONE
(https://gyazo.com/6fae9240d55b8bc8878b9c96609f0920.png)
Also, it is FALSE that andre is an easy wagon or push... a few players have had suspcicion or shade on him and yet he topped out at 3 votes... I don't believe it is a real thought (rather, likely a mafia viewpoint trying to sound real?) timpa is a real wagon.
*andre is the only viable wagon right now*
Also, I know you have the tendency as both alignments to constantly state in different ways that you're town, but it's getting annoying. Please stop.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:42:03 pm
I'm game to lynch Annele or timpa in a heartbeat right now, even sus they may be w/w.
Ge0 underwhelming if town... I still have softened manually my natural read of him on the basis of benefit of doubt he is rusty, not as recently experienced at the game, and seems probably busy to give much more attention. It would not take much to convince me to vote him (good case on him, self-pres if needed, etc.).
Sub - wtf with him? I sitll find things he did as scummy but also, am softening a bit as I would actually expect wolf!Sub to be a try-hard when he gets pressure, but he has been sort of steady throughout with wall posts, annoyance at thread/game/NAI things, etc. Would take a better case on him to convince me to vote there, other than "reasons".
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 07:43:08 pm
Care to give me a quick recap of the last 3-5 pages?
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:45:40 pm
I am already toning down and editing out lots of "rob knows he's town" verbiage. I can do no better than I am on that front. Get over it, I guess. It coems with the territory that as town I know I"m town and as scum I remember that as town I know I'm town.
GL mate.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 07:45:59 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:47:36 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 07:48:50 pm
Re: buddy
I'm just trying to get on rob's nerves.
Re: Graboid
Vote
Re: crossed out bit
Please don't imply a there's a chance of players cheating.
Re: Low key
I know, this is why I banned PMs. (Not really but it was hilarious)
Re: not reading me
You have no idea how much pleasure this brings me.
Re: RQS
I would play like this, and my example is Mafia 73.
Re: my role
;)
We only have like an hour left, catch up and give thoughts on current events.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 07:51:30 pm
Regarding adrenaline, if someone has nothing better in mind, they can keep targeting a potential town Graboid/Shrieker until they Evolve/Unburrow.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:53:18 pm
@SubNoted.
Regarding adrenaline, if someone has nothing better in mind, they can keep targeting a potential town Graboid/Shrieker until they Evolve/Unburrow.
Note Note: there is no guarantee town has adrenaline capability... at this point...... But that is a GREAT use idea for it, TorB
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 07:57:08 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:57:38 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 07:59:50 pm
This one (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297386/?action=post;quote=1297386)
Also, if you're scum, this is not the proper bus technique. :)
I'm curious to see what effect this has over the next hour.
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:00:26 pm
Looking at the latest tally, I would go with andretimpa. But before I do as much as place a vote, I want at least 3 people to respond to my question about Graboid vote withholding.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:01:13 pm
I stand by my stance that it is too early to dispatch the voice catalysts. Now that I have my wild theory about Linkcat, I also don't think he's a useful lynch now.Look couple thread posts back - I weighed in, indirectly, but seems maybe you missed it?
Looking at the latest tally, I would go with andretimpa. But before I do as much as place a vote, I want at least 3 people to respond to my question about Graboid vote withholding.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:02:57 pm
Sub, I kind of think you're town, so in the interest of not confusing you I should clarify that I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my role.
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:04:28 pm
Townspeople NEED to be voting, that's my opinionI was not sure you aimed this at my question.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:04:32 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:05:05 pm
What we have going on right now is a joke
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:07:42 pm
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
I am not keen on voting right next to another scum!lean I have, but timpa got no traction (feels like a scenario/issue that might be true of a scum!timpa) -- who willing to vote Annele with me?
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 08:09:44 pm
I stand by my stance that it is too early to dispatch the voice catalysts. Now that I have my wild theory about Linkcat, I also don't think he's a useful lynch now.There can be any number of Graboids? It's not like you're the Golden Nymph pretending to be a Graboid (unless you will be via scavenger). When in doubt: vote.
Looking at the latest tally, I would go with andretimpa. But before I do as much as place a vote, I want at least 3 people to respond to my question about Graboid vote withholding.
Torb, who would you vote on right now?With the current vote count, I personally see 2 people not very committed to their andre vote. I would solidify it to ensure one of my three suspects get lynched.
And wow, look at that, there he goes, one of two.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:10:04 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:12:14 pm
Suggestion for future: skip this EOD crap & let it be by secret ballot. Mod posts votes at start of night phase
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 08:12:36 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:13:00 pm
Sub, I kind of think you're town, so in the interest of not confusing you I should clarify that I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my role.Well, either way, I see more benefit in keeping my wild theory low. In case I am correct, not talking about it can benefit more than revealing it.
Ironically, if I am wrong, it benefits Town a lot more if I bring it up than if I don't.
Sub: my take is that 3-4 no-votes is way more than necessary for graboid hiding. It's not really too important to hide graboid so much as to hide someone hiding as graboid. & that's assuming the tally suits what you think is rightAnnele revealed she is not Graboid, so we only have TorB. I am only the second non-voter. But I tell you this; If I am not a Graboid and I find the tally outrageous, I will be sure to drop a bomb.
What we have going on right now is a joke
During my search, I barely remember andre's posts. But I do remember that being part of the argument against him. And that he posted underwhelming reads. Compared to Linkcat, it is an acceptable lynch for me.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 08:14:24 pm
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt townThis comment is based solely on reading the thread. He did not gain any information from his role.And you know it, because... ?
What I mean is, everyone assumed kae was not the Golden Nymph after the GN dropped dead, and no other roles check primaries, so it felt obvious to me that it was only a read. But you seem to have knowledge of his role. Possibilities, from most likely to least likely:
I don't wanna say it out loud. Let's just say "This is not the time to be softing...".- MW only made an assumption but treated it like a fact (kae could have been Egg Nymph for all we know).
MW and kae are working together outside the topic.
I wanted to point out it was a bad read.
edit:My role has nothing to do with me believing serp or really my kaempfer read.I did not see this. >_> I do not delete this part from my post, in case MW slipped and someone else instructed him to make an excuse. (Still the least likely explanation from the three.)TOWN READS (in order of most town read to least town read)Hmmm......
shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town(No, Sub, this is not the time for softing either. Get it together.)
In case MW is Town, I make no comment here. Even though I am very tempted.
This list was made before i understood my role.Sub is never low key as scum.I am never low key as Town either. Ask Jonny boi (JCJ).~TOWN READS
submachine- is doing submachine stuff. i expect him to be slightly more low key as scum.
Rob- Im on the rob wouldnt be that stupid as scum bandwagonSub is never low key as scum.I do think your correct on sub, and i would like to remove him at this time from my town readsThis is literally how this conversation was, without any skips.
It didn't take much convincing, yet Link has been also saying rob would do the same thing if he was scum, but rob stayed in MW's townreads. Maybe it's because this time Link directly spoke to MW, and not to everyone. It cannot be that MW just trusts Linkcat enough to take his word, because Link was not on his read list. But let's break down the options.I do not know what MW pays attention to, who he trusts, if he would sheep, or if he can be intimidated so easily, so I am keeping all possibilities open. Though I do hope he clarifies.
- MW is Town:
- MW felt intimidated that Link spoke to him directly, so quickly changed his opinion. Sheeping would be a town trait.
- MW may not trust Link, but believes his judgment about other players. Link spoke to him directly, so he caught this message, but he missed Link's similar anti-thesis about rob (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297004/#msg1297004), where Link says rob would be capable to do the same thing as Mafia.
- Linkcat reminded MW something else with his comment, which MW didn't elaborate. Whether MW disagrees with Link's view on rob or just ignores it, is unknown.
- MW is Mafia, Link is Town: MW changed his opinion quickly, because the readlist was fake. If Mafia can justify townreading less Town players, they would take the chance. It makes lynching them later easier. But just as suddenly voting on someone who a person has townread the whole game, this sudden switch is also suspicious.
- MW is Mafia, Link is Mafia: Almost the same as above, except MW felt like Link was suggesting him to change his play. It would make sense too for Link to command other mafia if he was one.
Uh, i dont have a good read on link, therefore i do not trust him. He seems like he wants to wrastle rob for control of the thread? idk but i dont fell intimidated by him, more he made a point i agreed with and it changed my mind. Im sure you are paranoid both scum and not, or at least play the character well.
edit:nHis next readlist reveals he actually put rob back too. Though it feels like only because he revealed Fate Egg, and only after he revealed Fate Egg.
Rob (hes fate egg. it took long enough. Could be wrong but i dont think that doesnt mean hes not mafia)
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:14:39 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:15:39 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:16:26 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:17:10 pm
Sub, I kind of think you're town, so in the interest of not confusing you I should clarify that I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my role.Well, either way, I see more benefit in keeping my wild theory low. In case I am correct, not talking about it can benefit more than revealing it.
Ironically, if I am wrong, it benefits Town a lot more if I bring it up than if I don't.Sub: my take is that 3-4 no-votes is way more than necessary for graboid hiding. It's not really too important to hide graboid so much as to hide someone hiding as graboid. & that's assuming the tally suits what you think is rightAnnele revealed she is not Graboid, so we only have TorB. I am only the second non-voter. But I tell you this; If I am not a Graboid and I find the tally outrageous, I will be sure to drop a bomb.
What we have going on right now is a joke
During my search, I barely remember andre's posts. But I do remember that being part of the argument against him. And that he posted underwhelming reads. Compared to Linkcat, it is an acceptable lynch for me.
You're wrong, please share with the rest of the class.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 08:18:02 pm
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
This will probably get me a lotta heat but i really want to drive home how wrong i was about my role. Shock and Kae are at n- for me now.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 08:18:33 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:18:45 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
I am not keen on voting right next to another scum!lean I have, but timpa got no traction (feels like a scenario/issue that might be true of a scum!timpa) -- who willing to vote Annele with me?
what the hell? He had more traction than ever, you claim the opposite (which you somehow believed) would mean that he's scum and your conclusion is unvoting him?!
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:19:58 pm
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
You're right, this is not helping.
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:20:07 pm
Can we stop clowning around with our votes & vote rob now?As much as I agree with you, I don't feel comfortable with letting rob eat grass yet.
Suggestion for future: skip this EOD crap & let it be by secret ballot. Mod posts votes at start of night phase
I keep missing posts because of new replies being posted. Bear with me if I don't react to something, in case I completely cannot find it at first. D:<
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:20:19 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 08:21:16 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprexHow does this conclusion lead to switching from kaempfer13 to shockcannon, that you both put at the same rank? I do not mind the conclusion, just curious about the action itself.
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
This will probably get me a lotta heat but i really want to drive home how wrong i was about my role. Shock and Kae are at n- for me now.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:21:44 pm
TorB - still town-lean on Annele for you? You had her "v" a bit ago, she since posted a few things of which at least a few have been suspicious of her additional posts... how reads you on that?
shock - are you having a townread of me? How do you see me right now --- I see you sheeping my vote onto Annele now, but I recall you thought I likely scum a bit ago, and with andre at that. Why move off one of your scumreads (timpa) to sheep the vote change of another scum-read you have (me) voting onto Annele??
Kae - do you have a town-read on Annele?? You had her neutral + (n+) earlier today and she hasn't posted since then -- seems a strong reaction to a vote onto her given an n+ read on her and you have a town-read on me... Can you give a bit on why you are unhappy with my vote change?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:22:16 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:24:26 pm
Link- don't pretend like you don't know what moving votes around near EOD's does for possible investigative value and later-game analysis. I moved to another scum-read of mine. It's legit. Why would you not be willing to vote Annele - last I find you have a sus of her play so far... she has changed nothing since. Do you not want to vote her?
TorB - still town-lean on Annele for you? You had her "v" a bit ago, she since posted a few things of which at least a few have been suspicious of her additional posts... how reads you on that?
shock - are you having a townread of me? How do you see me right now --- I see you sheeping my vote onto Annele now, but I recall you thought I likely scum a bit ago, and with andre at that. Why move off one of your scumreads (timpa) to sheep the vote change of another scum-read you have (me) voting onto Annele??
Kae - do you have a town-read on Annele?? You had her neutral + (n+) earlier today and she hasn't posted since then -- seems a strong reaction to a vote onto her given an n+ read on her and you have a town-read on me... Can you give a bit on why you are unhappy with my vote change?
Your reason to unvote andre doesnt make any goddamn sense; idc who you vote, if you are going to say andre has no traction, andre has no traction= andre scum and then you vote someone else while being on andre all day you are not making any sense
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:24:34 pm
I am so confusedBy what? if it is my reply about your reaction to my vote change... to clarify, I move from my scum-read timpa to my other scum-read Annele... your reaction suddenly out of the bleu is to question it. Last I saw you had Annele as n+ which isn't so sold out to thinking she is towny... but you have a town-read on me... why such a strong sudden reaction to a town-read of yours moving from his (my) scum-read to another scum-read about someone you are n+ about??
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:25:36 pm
Link- don't pretend like you don't know what moving votes around near EOD's does for possible investigative value and later-game analysis.
I know exactly what it does, and so does shock. You're like a puppet that moved when he pulled your string.
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:25:46 pm
ALRIGHT GUYS, prepare your brains for a wild theory ride! Cheeks clenched, arms within the rollercoaster, the ride begins now.~You're wrong, please share with the rest of the class.Sub, I kind of think you're town, so in the interest of not confusing you I should clarify that I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my role.Well, either way, I see more benefit in keeping my wild theory low. In case I am correct, not talking about it can benefit more than revealing it.
Ironically, if I am wrong, it benefits Town a lot more if I bring it up than if I don't.
What if I told you that Link WANTS to be lynched? Crazy, I know, but hear me out.
There are two roles that activate upon death. Ghost of the Past and Phoenix. He can be either of them.
You can grudge a person for LoLz, or you can force a lynch on you to see who was with who, and rain down the dead man's wisdom on all who opposed him. This makes the most sense to me.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 08:26:19 pm
TorB - still town-lean on Annele for you? You had her "v" a bit ago, she since posted a few things of which at least a few have been suspicious of her additional posts... how reads you on that?Has not changed much. Does not seem to have the time to keep up with all this activity and is being pushed around voting-wise. This feels more like bad town play getting orchestrated than scummy.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:26:37 pm
TL;DR - I want to read players... a few reacted quickly to my vote change - I have a question or two toward each from which I hope to further reads on each + Annele / timpa.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:27:47 pm
ALRIGHT GUYS, prepare your brains for a wild theory ride! Cheeks clenched, arms within the rollercoaster, the ride begins now.~You're wrong, please share with the rest of the class.Sub, I kind of think you're town, so in the interest of not confusing you I should clarify that I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my role.Well, either way, I see more benefit in keeping my wild theory low. In case I am correct, not talking about it can benefit more than revealing it.
Ironically, if I am wrong, it benefits Town a lot more if I bring it up than if I don't.
What if I told you that Link WANTS to be lynched? Crazy, I know, but hear me out.
There are two roles that activate upon death. Ghost of the Past and Phoenix. He can be either of them.
You can grudge a person for LoLz, or you can force a lynch on you to see who was with who, and rain down the dead man's wisdom on all who opposed him. This makes the most sense to me.
Great theory, other than the fact that I'm never getting lynched today, or the rest of the game for that matter.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:28:04 pm
it reads like : andre is probably scum, better vote Annele
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:28:46 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:28:54 pm
No. I moved my vote for a reason that has NOTHING to do with shock pulling strings or anyone pulling strings (who are yous aying pulled a string to move my vote??) I am making it quite clear right now with my posting what that reason is --- and I would expect good-at-this-game-Link to not be so shocked that I'm using this as a way to further my playing the game. I mean, if you're scum you'd want to shade me, but a town!Link should really know what it is about and try to read it also, not just shade me for it. Do you really think I had no reason other than a string to move my vote?Link- don't pretend like you don't know what moving votes around near EOD's does for possible investigative value and later-game analysis.
I know exactly what it does, and so does shock. You're like a puppet that moved when he pulled your string.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:30:35 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:31:29 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:32:10 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:33:31 pm
I can't speak for others, but I did read something that makes me want to conceal my role as long as possible. And be assured, I will be the first one to rush for someone's rescue when I see the rescue worthy IF I am not Graboid. ;)
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:34:05 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:35:05 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:35:55 pm
Unless Link has gone apoplectic level 5+ on us here, there is NO WAY he ever tries to get lynched like you're describing, as EITHER alignment. NO WAY. He _loves_ playing, posting, voting, pushing, etc. and he also loves the reputation of unlynchable --- NO WAY a play like that with only even minimal upside (is there any really?) comes from him.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:36:28 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:37:14 pm
ALSO 100 POSTS WOOOOO
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:37:36 pm
& rob goes back to misrepresenting me. All my qualms with him are due to the day phase, he played N0 splendidlyWhat are my "mistakes" you refer to? Is this just going back to the thing from last night / yesterday (for m ytime zone at least)? If so, I'll cut to the chase that I don't recall righ tnow what that was but I know I don't have any "mistakes" in that vein to plead guilty to this game. (I am suddenly recalling using mea culpa once ... maybe that was something I think was a mistake, not arsed to go find it now though)
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 08:39:30 pm
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
The vote count was getting buried.
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:41:52 pm
YOU DON'T KNOW MELink, have you gone apoplectic level 5+ on us recently?
ALSO 100 POSTS WOOOOO
I cannot help but repeat this glorious phrase. It just rolls off the tongue.~
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:43:39 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:45:06 pm
At first thought, my guess is they would want to hide in the unvoting "becaue Graboid" bloc if they can so long as a buddy is not on the block / at risk. That is, if town are on the block then scum do prefer to obscure their vote, in my experience, and being part of a group "being towny to help a possible town!Grabby" fit sthat bill. BUt I'm not sure it is that easy/simple.
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 25, 2020, 08:45:19 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:45:31 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:47:20 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:47:52 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:48:07 pm
I'm so weirded out by robs sudden lapse of logic that I am secondguessing everythingGood - do you find my move scummy? Towny? Just confusing? How about your take on how I am explaining about what I might be tryinig to do with my manuever?
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:48:15 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:48:58 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:49:39 pm
Link- don't pretend like you don't know what moving votes around near EOD's does for possible investigative value and later-game analysis. I moved to another scum-read of mine. It's legit. Why would you not be willing to vote Annele - last I find you have a sus of her play so far... she has changed nothing since. Do you not want to vote her?
TorB - still town-lean on Annele for you? You had her "v" a bit ago, she since posted a few things of which at least a few have been suspicious of her additional posts... how reads you on that?
shock - are you having a townread of me? How do you see me right now --- I see you sheeping my vote onto Annele now, but I recall you thought I likely scum a bit ago, and with andre at that. Why move off one of your scumreads (timpa) to sheep the vote change of another scum-read you have (me) voting onto Annele??
Kae - do you have a town-read on Annele?? You had her neutral + (n+) earlier today and she hasn't posted since then -- seems a strong reaction to a vote onto her given an n+ read on her and you have a town-read on me... Can you give a bit on why you are unhappy with my vote change?
Your reason to unvote andre doesnt make any goddamn sense; idc who you vote, if you are going to say andre has no traction, andre has no traction= andre scum and then you vote someone else while being on andre all day you are not making any sense
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:50:40 pm
well i mean it would be scummy if the trains were indeed w/w all day long, but that kind of goes against everything that i was thinkingI'm so weirded out by robs sudden lapse of logic that I am secondguessing everythingGood - do you find my move scummy? Towny? Just confusing? How about your take on how I am explaining about what I might be tryinig to do with my manuever?
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 08:51:00 pm
Rob, I know I'm not omniescent, but 100% the vote on you isn't a mafia ploy
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:51:34 pm
Rob I don't think you understand his issue, just reply to this post.OK? I already addressed it. I also scum-read Annele. I moved wagons to look for people reacting to it - by vote (shock), by suddenly appearing (Kae), by oddly posting they think I'm crazy (you), or by almost same-time posting about being sus on me (TorB), etc.Link- don't pretend like you don't know what moving votes around near EOD's does for possible investigative value and later-game analysis. I moved to another scum-read of mine. It's legit. Why would you not be willing to vote Annele - last I find you have a sus of her play so far... she has changed nothing since. Do you not want to vote her?
TorB - still town-lean on Annele for you? You had her "v" a bit ago, she since posted a few things of which at least a few have been suspicious of her additional posts... how reads you on that?
shock - are you having a townread of me? How do you see me right now --- I see you sheeping my vote onto Annele now, but I recall you thought I likely scum a bit ago, and with andre at that. Why move off one of your scumreads (timpa) to sheep the vote change of another scum-read you have (me) voting onto Annele??
Kae - do you have a town-read on Annele?? You had her neutral + (n+) earlier today and she hasn't posted since then -- seems a strong reaction to a vote onto her given an n+ read on her and you have a town-read on me... Can you give a bit on why you are unhappy with my vote change?
Your reason to unvote andre doesnt make any goddamn sense; idc who you vote, if you are going to say andre has no traction, andre has no traction= andre scum and then you vote someone else while being on andre all day you are not making any sense
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:51:45 pm
While you're secondguessing everything, try not to secondguess confirmed town & come join my lonely vote
I think rob is scummy but his chance of being town multiplied by my confidence in his reads is still higher than yours.
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:51:47 pm
I'm trying to develop my thoughts on this... do mafia see any benefit to playing along/in the Graboid vote-hiding thing? That is, what are the thoughts around on whether it might something scum do/don't do, no connection, strong connection, etc.??You forget what Graboid does during the night. It is an ability shield, and a huge incentive to avoid bad targeting. Used by Town, I see it as a tool to avoid getting killed. Reasons can vary.
At first thought, my guess is they would want to hide in the unvoting "becaue Graboid" bloc if they can so long as a buddy is not on the block / at risk. That is, if town are on the block then scum do prefer to obscure their vote, in my experience, and being part of a group "being towny to help a possible town!Grabby" fit sthat bill. BUt I'm not sure it is that easy/simple.
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 08:53:02 pm
Annele, kaempfer, shock, your votes are not doing anything right now. Put them somewhere else. Moe, I would love to hear your take right now.
My take is that I had to skip, like, four pages somewhere in the middle, ugh...
So here goes: I am not Grabby and will place my vote. ironically I am fine with both Andre and Nelly. Collecting thoughts as of now. :x
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 25, 2020, 08:53:13 pm
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
I know torb posted this a couple pages back, but here's a refresh of the current tally in case anyone is coming in last minute and having difficulties finding it.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:53:36 pm
Rob doesn't respond to arguments, he just asks you to tell him about your day so he can read you better, & tells you to git gudWhich makes it all the more frustrating for me - confirmed town I consider to have a good position to push around and not tunnel because other town can see it and have a frame of reference on what another town is able to uncocver/generate in the thread. You're tunneling me instead. And treating my developing posts, reads, and gameplay as worthless because well you've already got me nailed as scummy-scum-scum!rob. You're wrong, but since you cannot "know" that right now I find it frustrating you are not being more helpful by looking at more places than just one.
Rob, I know I'm not omniescent, but 100% the vote on you isn't a mafia ploy
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:54:47 pm
Rob I don't think you understand his issue, just reply to this post.OK? I already addressed it. I also scum-read Annele. I moved wagons to look for people reacting to it - by vote (shock), by suddenly appearing (Kae), by oddly posting they think I'm crazy (you), or by almost same-time posting about being sus on me (TorB), etc.Link- don't pretend like you don't know what moving votes around near EOD's does for possible investigative value and later-game analysis. I moved to another scum-read of mine. It's legit. Why would you not be willing to vote Annele - last I find you have a sus of her play so far... she has changed nothing since. Do you not want to vote her?
TorB - still town-lean on Annele for you? You had her "v" a bit ago, she since posted a few things of which at least a few have been suspicious of her additional posts... how reads you on that?
shock - are you having a townread of me? How do you see me right now --- I see you sheeping my vote onto Annele now, but I recall you thought I likely scum a bit ago, and with andre at that. Why move off one of your scumreads (timpa) to sheep the vote change of another scum-read you have (me) voting onto Annele??
Kae - do you have a town-read on Annele?? You had her neutral + (n+) earlier today and she hasn't posted since then -- seems a strong reaction to a vote onto her given an n+ read on her and you have a town-read on me... Can you give a bit on why you are unhappy with my vote change?
Your reason to unvote andre doesnt make any goddamn sense; idc who you vote, if you are going to say andre has no traction, andre has no traction= andre scum and then you vote someone else while being on andre all day you are not making any sense
No, you did not. You still haven't explained why you said andre had no traction or why him having no traction (which he did) makes him scum.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:55:06 pm
Moe - youre confirmed-town partner Deja is exactly opposite... he is voting and sure I am scum, you are good voting or lynching either of my two top targets. HmmAnnele, kaempfer, shock, your votes are not doing anything right now. Put them somewhere else. Moe, I would love to hear your take right now.
My take is that I had to skip, like, four pages somewhere in the middle, ugh...
So here goes: I am not Grabby and will place my vote. ironically I am fine with both Andre and Nelly. Collecting thoughts as of now. :x
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 08:55:10 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:56:10 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 08:56:37 pm
A new hope.well i mean it would be scummy if the trains were indeed w/w all day long, but that kind of goes against everything that i was thinkingI'm so weirded out by robs sudden lapse of logic that I am secondguessing everythingGood - do you find my move scummy? Towny? Just confusing? How about your take on how I am explaining about what I might be tryinig to do with my manuever?
kaempfer13 does not have any votes on him yet anyway, so I'd like to see what this leads to and remove him from my list of suspects.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:56:46 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:57:02 pm
To be certain I still find Annele and timpa scummy.
Moving vote to andre - cannot be sure Ge0 has current? VOTE CHANGE: I want to vote timpa.
Anyone have tally handy??
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 08:57:06 pm
Last chance. I'm not looking to extend this voting period so if you don't coordinate i'm just going to vote for whoever has the most votes already. I'm fine with linkcat, rob, or MW.
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 08:57:40 pm
Moe - youre confirmed-town partner Deja is exactly opposite... he is voting and sure I am scum, you are good voting or lynching either of my two top targets. HmmAnnele, kaempfer, shock, your votes are not doing anything right now. Put them somewhere else. Moe, I would love to hear your take right now.
My take is that I had to skip, like, four pages somewhere in the middle, ugh...
So here goes: I am not Grabby and will place my vote. ironically I am fine with both Andre and Nelly. Collecting thoughts as of now. :x
Well, I was defending you earlier. We also briefly talked about it via PM. It's not like we're a hivemind.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 08:58:17 pm
@kaempfer @serprexThen why are you voting on Annele, where I just was despite you having me as a top scum-read???!?
Last chance. I'm not looking to extend this voting period so if you don't coordinate i'm just going to vote for whoever has the most votes already. I'm fine with linkcat, rob, or MW.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 08:58:25 pm
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 08:58:45 pm
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 25, 2020, 08:58:49 pm
Ge0, please be helpful, just showing up and doing a post-count thing is not helpful... :o
Alright, experiemtn over.
To be certain I still find Annele and timpa scummy.
Moving vote to andre - cannot be sure Ge0 has current? VOTE CHANGE: I want to vote timpa.
Anyone have tally handy??
I thought this was funny. My tally at the time was accurate. New tally with your vote
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 08:59:40 pm
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 25, 2020, 08:59:45 pm
Ge0 give me your thoughts right now.
At work, haven't had time to really look over everything in the last hour. But I am okay with any of Annele, andre, or kaemp lynch. See my reads from earlier today.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 08:59:54 pm
@kaempfer @serprex
Last chance. I'm not looking to extend this voting period so if you don't coordinate i'm just going to vote for whoever has the most votes already. I'm fine with linkcat, rob, or MW.
Not fine with mw, confused about rob; rob and linkcat not w/w
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:00:03 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:00:09 pm
Alright, experiemtn over.
To be certain I still find Annele and timpa scummy.
Moving vote to andre - cannot be sure Ge0 has current? VOTE CHANGE: I want to vote timpa.
Anyone have tally handy??
Can't tell if serious or just not able to shake anyone and going for the bus cred.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 25, 2020, 09:01:08 pm
Ge0 give me your thoughts right now.
At work, haven't had time to really look over everything in the last hour. But I am okay with any of Annele, andre, or kaemp lynch. See my reads from earlier today.
EBWOP would have been okay with rob lynch as well.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2020, 09:01:17 pm
Voting will end exactly 5 minutes after last vote has been cast, unless it results in an endless loop, ref game rules.
If the players still haven't decided after a whole hour, I will need to cut the vote exactly 22:00 GMT.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:01:27 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:01:44 pm
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:02:02 pm
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
correct tally
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:02:19 pm
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
correct tally for real this time
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:02:51 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 09:03:21 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
correct tally
Thanks!
So, the five minute extension only works if the last vote changes the outcome?
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:03:41 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:03:47 pm
Linkcat will provide a ton of information dead (probably more alive but just from pressuring other vets)
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:03:52 pm
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
This is the highest my vote count will get during this game.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:03:57 pm
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:04:18 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:04:34 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
correct tally
Thanks!
So, the five minute extension only works if the last vote changes the outcome?
No, it works with any vote change.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:05:14 pm
Anyways, Linkcat's annoying me
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:05:44 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
about time
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:06:22 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:06:36 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 09:07:02 pm
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
about time
I LEAVE THE TABLE FOR FIVE MINUTES
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:07:23 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:08:49 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:08:56 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:09:08 pm
Rob, try reading shock's posts next timeGet out of my $#@! - I read his posts. I really want to know why/how he thinks that as he is fairly alone in it and would be a fresh take. Before he just said, I see now he is voting it --- want to press him on it. Get off the tunnel you have on me.
Just realized it looks like your vote indicates you find LInk and I as w/w too??!? Can you elaborate any quick if that's the case?
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:10:13 pm
I think Linkcat's being an ass
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:10:39 pm
(Ge0, this is the part where you switch to andre)
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 09:11:03 pm
This is exactly the scenario I told you I would come out from not voting. I stand by what I said, rob and Link are not dying today.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 09:11:38 pm
I dont have you as w/w but i have no hope of parsing this before i see a flip given that everyone is panicposting rn
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:11:48 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:11:55 pm
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, Linckat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Any time now.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:12:03 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:13:04 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:13:37 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:13:42 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:14:32 pm
Agreed, I have Sub as solid v right now.ALso, likely scum!Link doesn't have this quick of a take in this vein as the game goes right now. I think Sub has enough heat in thread that scum!Link just moves on to other things... i nheat of this moment. Town-points a little fro mme for Link.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:15:06 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:15:44 pm
iancu, a vote would be appreciated.Annele or timpa? Or if you have a bombshell hard-scum read on someone else - them maybe? We could juggle for up to another 45 minutes??
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:15:53 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 09:16:11 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 09:16:29 pm
I'd be game to fire drill onto Annele, but not to risk LInk at this juncture. ANyone from Link train OK with Annele vote/lynch? (kae/MW/serp/shock - obv not ANnele herself)
First you don't want to give them town cred if Link flip scum eventually, then you ask them to move their vote?
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:17:00 pm
Link, you're supposed to be claiming that you froze ian last night
I did not use my ability last night.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:17:23 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:17:45 pm
Don't cave. Like I said many many hours ago before we even reached this point, the key to our victory is the three of us being unified. The mafia can't break our trio without giving themselves away.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:18:24 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:18:30 pm
Yes, here's a clue -- I'm in the heat of an EOD and trying to read people in a way only available at EOD's. It is NOT any kind of town thing for me to ask a player about this. I will say town-cred or town-points if I am doing that.I'd be game to fire drill onto Annele, but not to risk LInk at this juncture. ANyone from Link train OK with Annele vote/lynch? (kae/MW/serp/shock - obv not ANnele herself)
First you don't want to give them town cred if Link flip scum eventually, then you ask them to move their vote?
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:18:35 pm
Kae - no! If you're town, infolynch is not even a thing righ tnow forget about it and get in the flow... I am fairly strongly town-reading you right now and am very dismayed to see you hinting at this kind of thing now.
This sounds too manipulative to not be sarcasm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:19:02 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:19:50 pm
@serprex @kaempf
Don't cave. Like I said many many hours ago before we even reached this point, the key to our victory is the three of us being unified. The mafia can't break our trio without giving themselves away.
Shock, i really hope your not that much of a noob to try to buddy up with your in game buddies
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:20:02 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:20:05 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:20:48 pm
Will flip back to rob if moe votes for rob
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:21:05 pm
serprex is confirmed
kaempf to me is confirmed based on N0
If you think I'm mafia that's fine but I see no issues from my own viewpoint in budding up with the only 2 players (well there's also moe) that I know are town.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:21:25 pm
If Link is scumming this game... he has me totally fooled so far this EOD. Getting more and more town-vibe/points/cred on Link as this develops. If you're scumming this game, I will never be able to live in a world where I can play in the same game as you again, I dont' think.God I wish I was mafia because I know I could still make you say that.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:21:30 pm
If Link is scumming this game... he has me totally fooled so far this EOD. Getting more and more town-vibe/points/cred on Link as this develops. If you're scumming this game, I will never be able to live in a world where I can play in the same game as you again, I dont' think.
How so? all hes doing is vote juggling and trying to get other people to hop the other wagon
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:21:56 pm
MW bad-vibe from this... serp/moe are in-thread claimed pair of Deja - MW are you saying you think Moe is not counter-claiming against serp? Or that Moe is also the final fourth scum? What are you on about?? Are you upset as a wolf that shock is being shock at EOD AND shock is a teamamte???? typing fast, but this post from MW has an alarm for me on noit.@serprex @kaempf
Don't cave. Like I said many many hours ago before we even reached this point, the key to our victory is the three of us being unified. The mafia can't break our trio without giving themselves away.
Shock, i really hope your not that much of a noob to try to buddy up with your in game buddies
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 09:22:30 pm
moe: please
I'd rahter kill Link than rob.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:22:38 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:22:49 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:23:00 pm
@MW
serprex is confirmed
kaempf to me is confirmed based on N0
If you think I'm mafia that's fine but I see no issues from my own viewpoint in budding up with the only 2 players (well there's also moe) that I know are town.
OKAY SO BASED ON THIS, IF KAEMPF IS MAF SO IS SHOCK
I didnt think the shock kae dream team would happen but this confirms it if kae flips scum
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:23:10 pm
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:24:28 pm
Linkcat didn't read Matthew 4:7
Almost half the people voting are scum
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:24:35 pm
NAI, because scum!Link would know it a giveaway if you DID NOT react like this. If you are seriously this good now real-time in-thread at EOD1 as a legit lynch possibility, then F me on ever reading you. OK< back to resolving.If Link is scumming this game... he has me totally fooled so far this EOD. Getting more and more town-vibe/points/cred on Link as this develops. If you're scumming this game, I will never be able to live in a world where I can play in the same game as you again, I dont' think.God I wish I was mafia because I know I could still make you say that.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:25:20 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:27:21 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
Sub - are you present? Moe? Cal? any traction or desire for a Annele lynch????
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:27:56 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
*twiddles thumbs*
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:28:43 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:29:08 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:29:22 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:29:31 pm
Iancu are you okay with lynching andre? If so then we can end this charade. Annele is being voted as a viable counterwagon because shock, MW, and serp are being dumb by voting me, Annele and kaempfer's votes are legit.I don't even know anymore. Way too much stuff going on. I could be persuaded to lynch you, even. I'll try the Annele lynch, I'll see where trusting rob takes me.
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:30:13 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:30:42 pm
At this point, are thep layers paying attention noticing Link is easier to lynch at EOD here than timpa and that Link/timpa are easier to get votes onto than Annele? There may be something to that, I suspect...
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:30:56 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:31:01 pm
ie stop voting on Annele
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:31:40 pm
No, there's nothing noteworthy there. This is happening because any town with an ounce of IQ realizes it's not Annele.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:31:59 pm
@Rob
No, there's nothing noteworthy there. This is happening because any town with an ounce of IQ realizes it's not Annele.
Unfortunately town lost all their IQ reading your posts..
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:32:29 pm
Can we at least keep it to people voting with confirmed town?What's your town-read on Annele right now?
ie stop voting on Annele
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:33:16 pm
@RobI disagree, if Annele is town then absent Annele should be as easy of a lynch at EOD as absent timpa -- if they're both town like you suppose.
No, there's nothing noteworthy there. This is happening because any town with an ounce of IQ realizes it's not Annele.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:34:01 pm
Town needs to reach consensus. Lots of town trolling Linkcat right now. So gather yourselves on timpa
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:34:39 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:35:07 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2020, 09:35:42 pm
End of day is shortly up
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:36:18 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2020, 09:36:49 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:37:38 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 09:38:17 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:38:57 pm
Get rekt Linkcat. 200 IQ play from ian messing with robderp's clock
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2020, 09:39:00 pm
keep going
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:39:35 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:39:45 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:40:19 pm
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
I don't like a Link lynch today. Right now Annele was much harder to get votes onto of my two scum-reads so I prefer her over tipma, but timpa I have as a somewhat strong scum-lean too.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:40:31 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:40:57 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:41:09 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:41:35 pm
Do. Not. Infolynch. Who do you find scummier more likely to flip red/mafia? VOte that person of the curren trhee wagons??
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:42:13 pm
Ok, rob, I'm going to be honest here, the constant vote switching is making me trust you less and less. Not even sure what you're trying to do anymore.
The vote switching is only to extend the timer, he's fine with lynching 2 of his scumreads and just wants people to pick one.
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:42:24 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 09:42:29 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:42:54 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:43:04 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:43:10 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:43:13 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:43:26 pm
MW-
Do. Not. Infolynch. Who do you find scummier more likely to flip red/mafia? VOte that person of the curren trhee wagons??
Yea its a toss up between andre and link, so ill stick with link. Annele is a no read for me
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:43:46 pm
Rob, I hate to break it to you. But the only way you're going to save Linkcat is if you die instead.No.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:44:07 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Fine by me.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:44:11 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:44:19 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 09:44:41 pm
nobody comign to his defenseI feel offended.
What do you want from me? Double vote on timpa?
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:45:02 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:45:36 pm
Serp - Kae saved me???!?
For The Record --- REALLY suspicious that Annele (who is absent) was much harder to get wagoned EOD here than was timpa and way harder than Link gained votes quickly at EOD. THis is noteworhty for now.
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 09:46:47 pm
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
In commemoration of ian's next level bait I take it upon myself to enforce the rules. Yikes.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:47:00 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:47:05 pm
Listen to your confirmed town, guys.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2020, 09:47:37 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:47:46 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:47:56 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 09:48:34 pm
What does the confirmed town say?moehrpi and serprex are both on Linkcat, unfortunately.
Post by: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 09:48:45 pm
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Hi
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:49:02 pm
Is Link one of your (best) townreads?What does the confirmed town say?moehrpi and serprex are both on Linkcat, unfortunately.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:49:05 pm
What does the confirmed town say?Both on Link right now.
If scum!Link gets D1 lynched without my ending the day sus-ing him, I will be doing a full re-think o fthis game. THis mafia 73 game, and the game of mafia in entirety.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:49:09 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:49:44 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:49:47 pm
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:50:10 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 09:50:31 pm
What does the confirmed town say?Ring ding ding ring ding ding, wa pa-pa-pa-pow, ya cha cha cha cha cha chow
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:50:34 pm
No, this is happening because U N L Y N C H A B L E
That too. Well, I think you got your answer.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:50:57 pm
No, this is happening because U N L Y N C H A B L EIf people are really doing it just so they can say they were part of a Link lynch and not because they'r trying to lync scum, and those same people are town then f that. THat is not playing to win-con.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 09:51:22 pm
Link is too unpredictable to be a good town read, town lean at best. andre wants Link dead, Link wants andre dead, so one flips town the other should probably be lynched next. Linkcat is more useful alive out of those two.Is Link one of your (best) townreads?What does the confirmed town say?moehrpi and serprex are both on Linkcat, unfortunately.
Post by: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 09:52:23 pm
Link is too unpredictable to be a good town read, town lean at best. andre wants Link dead, Link wants andre dead, so one flips town the other should probably be lynched next. Linkcat is more useful alive out of those two.Is Link one of your (best) townreads?What does the confirmed town say?moehrpi and serprex are both on Linkcat, unfortunately.
Mine was a self-preservation vote, had missed moe
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 09:52:32 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:52:53 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:53:19 pm
If unlynchable is the reason, this feels like breaking the rules of playing with the intention of winning the game...Yup.
No, this is happening because U N L Y N C H A B L EIf people are really doing it just so they can say they were part of a Link lynch and not because they'r trying to lync scum, and those same people are town then f that. THat is not playing to win-con.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 09:53:29 pm
Does that mean you don't think Link is scum?Link is too unpredictable to be a good town read, town lean at best. andre wants Link dead, Link wants andre dead, so one flips town the other should probably be lynched next. Linkcat is more useful alive out of those two.Is Link one of your (best) townreads?What does the confirmed town say?moehrpi and serprex are both on Linkcat, unfortunately.
Mine was a self-preservation vote, had missed moe
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 09:53:50 pm
No, this is happening because U N L Y N C H A B L EIf people are really doing it just so they can say they were part of a Link lynch and not because they'r trying to lync scum, and those same people are town then f that. THat is not playing to win-con.
I don't see myself as part of it as I wanted the vote to end before your switch. Not because of the vote but because of the time. Not too happy about it either. Especially after there is still a majority in an officially ruled ongoing game.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:53:54 pm
vv
serp
moe
v
Torb
Sub
Ge0
n+
kdz
Calin
n
iancu
n-
MW
Annele
DC
w
shock, kaempfer,
ww
andre
rob idk, need to process current events.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:54:06 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:54:12 pm
Link is too unpredictable to be a good town read, town lean at best. andre wants Link dead, Link wants andre dead, so one flips town the other should probably be lynched next. Linkcat is more useful alive out of those two.Is Link one of your (best) townreads?What does the confirmed town say?moehrpi and serprex are both on Linkcat, unfortunately.
This makes the most sense in that last 30 posts. If andre flips town we kill Link. its a plan
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Post by: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 09:54:37 pm
Does that mean you don't think Link is scum?Link is too unpredictable to be a good town read, town lean at best. andre wants Link dead, Link wants andre dead, so one flips town the other should probably be lynched next. Linkcat is more useful alive out of those two.Is Link one of your (best) townreads?What does the confirmed town say?moehrpi and serprex are both on Linkcat, unfortunately.
Mine was a self-preservation vote, had missed moe
I'd rather lynch Anelle tbh
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:54:44 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:54:52 pm
Last second reads:PEOPLE< wolf!Link NEVER EVER gives this list at this hour in this situation. Never. It goes against a wolf!Link win-con. Save him, now.
vv
serp
moe
v
Torb
Sub
Ge0
n+
kdz
Calin
n
iancu
n-
MW
Annele
DC
w
shock, kaempfer,
ww
andre
rob idk, need to process current events.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 09:55:14 pm
I change my vote to DC
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
DoubleCapitals (1) - Linkcat
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:55:46 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:55:50 pm
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 09:55:54 pm
If you want to save Linkcat that badly, either rally the other 10 players of the game to outvote us, or start voting up rob.
It's really that simple.
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:56:11 pm
Vote Annele then, should the Link vote change count. And timpa, get on Annele then?That is, I vote Annele.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:56:17 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:56:33 pm
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 09:57:02 pm
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:57:18 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2020, 09:57:46 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 09:57:54 pm
The core 5 of us who voted on Linkcat aren't switching votes to Andre and Annele. The reason for this should be obvious from everything we've all posted for the last 48 hours. The only person that us "Linkcat voters" are willing to switch to in order to save Linkcat is rob.
If you want to save Linkcat that badly, either rally the other 10 players of the game to outvote us, or start voting up rob.
It's really that simple.
Speak for yourself.
Post by: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 09:58:07 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa
DC (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:58:30 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 09:58:48 pm
Last second reads:PEOPLE< wolf!Link NEVER EVER gives this list at this hour in this situation. Never. It goes against a wolf!Link win-con. Save him, now.
vv
serp
moe
v
Torb
Sub
Ge0
n+
kdz
Calin
n
iancu
n-
MW
Annele
DC
w
shock, kaempfer,
ww
andre
rob idk, need to process current events.
You are finally coming to your senses. In that case, I bestow upon you the responsibility to drive people away from the Linkcat pile for tonight. It is midnight, tomorrow is work, I need to sleep.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:58:59 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:59:06 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:59:10 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 09:59:32 pm
timpa vote!! from me!
Do you mean Annele, you're on timpa
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 09:59:39 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu, rob77dp
DC (1) - MasterWalk
NELLE!
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 09:59:55 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 10:00:02 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 10:00:05 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 10:00:11 pm
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
I never voted DC?? this is vote correction
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2020, 10:00:40 pm
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
Post by: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 10:01:24 pm
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
I never voted DC?? this is vote correction
Sorry it was Link in your post, things going too fast
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 10:01:30 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 10:01:44 pm
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 10:01:58 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 10:02:03 pm
Sub wtf vote on AnneleI vote Annele then
I am still not caught up
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 10:02:21 pm
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
SUB YOU'RE TOO GOD DAMN LATE
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2020, 10:04:02 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2020, 10:04:33 pm
I hate you SubI was about to go away, it was not me who was juggling the votes like crazy
Did you guys really kill Linkcat??? Or are we at no lynch?
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2020, 10:06:01 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2020, 10:16:25 pm
Night 1
The moon is bright. It's a new night.
There was no lynch.
Night 1 has ended.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2020, 10:17:35 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 10:18:25 pm
[25.05.2020 23:24:14] shockcannon: how long is this lasting?
[25.05.2020 23:24:32] PlayerOa: max 35 minutes more
[25.05.2020 23:24:39] shockcannon: linkcat has had majority vote for about 20 minutes now and no one else has even tied it
[25.05.2020 23:24:42] PlayerOa: I'm enforcing 30 minutes starting from next phase
[25.05.2020 23:25:02] shockcannon: like what's considered perpetually delaying as opposed to new votes?
[25.05.2020 23:25:10] shockcannon: i'm confused about that differentiation
[25.05.2020 23:25:16] serprex: Linkcat clearly perpetually delaying when he's voting on himself, agreed
[25.05.2020 23:27:04] PlayerOa: I've been under the impression it means any votes unless back-to-back ones from same person
[25.05.2020 23:27:14] shockcannon: got it
[25.05.2020 23:27:21] shockcannon: just wanted clarification
[25.05.2020 23:27:22] PlayerOa: But I didn't realize the possibility of voting just to switch back
[25.05.2020 23:28:12] rob77dp: that has previoiusly been acceptable
[25.05.2020 23:28:44] rob77dp: NB - I haven't played in a long time
[25.05.2020 23:28:48] TheonlyrealBeef: As long as it's not consistently the same person, I imagine.
[25.05.2020 23:28:53] serprex:
[25.05.2020 23:30:03] worldwideweb3: ginyu did have 30 mins not one hour tho - and Oa said hell change to 30 mins next phase onwards
[25.05.2020 23:30:52] PlayerOa: ^ yeah this 1 hour was mostly due to me not having clarified earlier so wanted to give you some leeway
[25.05.2020 23:32:43] PlayerOa: 23:29:31 is latest vote btw, not 23:30:13
[25.05.2020 23:32:58] worldwideweb3: shhhh dont tell them
[25.05.2020 23:33:01] worldwideweb3: and hammer
[25.05.2020 23:33:14] PlayerOa: :awesome:
[25.05.2020 23:33:57] worldwideweb3: idk why every mafia at EOD people start voting when theyve had 2 days :facepalm: next mafia idea: reduce days to 1 day as it goes down to EOD anyways :sillyspin:
[25.05.2020 23:34:47] PlayerOa: Time's up!
[25.05.2020 23:34:58] worldwideweb3: or not
[25.05.2020 23:35:00] worldwideweb3: rob voted
[25.05.2020 23:35:06] shockcannon: BeCaUsE tHeY mUsT pRoTeCt GrAbOiD
[25.05.2020 23:35:15] worldwideweb3: tho his vote
[25.05.2020 23:35:17] worldwideweb3: was after
[25.05.2020 23:35:18] TheonlyrealBeef: 8 seconds late, strictly speaking
[25.05.2020 23:35:18] PlayerOa: 8 seconds too late, no?
[25.05.2020 23:35:19] worldwideweb3: deadline
[25.05.2020 23:35:27] worldwideweb3: yup 8 seconds late, all over
[25.05.2020 23:35:30] rob77dp: internet lag
[25.05.2020 23:35:31] worldwideweb3: finally
[25.05.2020 23:35:32] moehrpi: Looks like in time to me
[25.05.2020 23:35:41] rob77dp: --^
[25.05.2020 23:35:50] worldwideweb3: 29:13, 34:39
[25.05.2020 23:35:56] worldwideweb3: 5 minutes 8 seconds
[25.05.2020 23:36:14] Wyand:
[25.05.2020 23:36:15] rob77dp: on my local clock it was fine... Host decision rules though I guess...
[25.05.2020 23:36:17] worldwideweb3: the vote was at 29:13, ian posted later to correct count
[25.05.2020 23:36:21] worldwideweb3: not change votes
[25.05.2020 23:36:30] moehrpi: Oh, I checken the double post.
[25.05.2020 23:36:35] TheonlyrealBeef: 29:31, not 13
[25.05.2020 23:36:46] worldwideweb3: oh yh oops
[25.05.2020 23:36:58] worldwideweb3: still 5 mins 8 secs tho :P
[25.05.2020 23:37:19] PlayerOa: What can I do? Where can I draw the line if 8 seconds aren't enough?
[25.05.2020 23:37:24] moehrpi: U N L Y N C H A B L E
[25.05.2020 23:37:37] moehrpi: Draw the line.
[25.05.2020 23:37:37] TheonlyrealBeef: The double post was admittably confusing.
[25.05.2020 23:37:48] worldwideweb3: ‹@PlayerOa› they are enough
[25.05.2020 23:37:57] moehrpi: ian baiting on the next level.
[25.05.2020 23:38:04] worldwideweb3: its always been strict in terms of deadline
[25.05.2020 23:38:06] rob77dp: as host you draw the line
[25.05.2020 23:38:12] rob77dp: but it feels a tad harsh
[25.05.2020 23:38:22] PlayerOa: ian's fixing was the source of confusion
[25.05.2020 23:38:29] PlayerOa: but eh
[25.05.2020 23:38:30] Linkcat: I go for spirit of the rules over letter, myself.
[25.05.2020 23:38:34] PlayerOa: you can keep going
[25.05.2020 23:38:36] PlayerOa: I'm fine with it
[25.05.2020 23:38:39] Linkcat: The players intended to keep going
[25.05.2020 23:38:42] Linkcat: Thanks Oa
[25.05.2020 23:39:07] moehrpi: 'but it feels a tad harsh' That's what makes it fun :sillyspin:
[25.05.2020 23:41:52] MasterWalks:
[25.05.2020 23:46:15] shockcannon: I have no qualms or issues with the choices made
[25.05.2020 23:46:30] shockcannon: but the timer incident may have some serious implications for this game
[25.05.2020 23:47:04] Linkcat: I should make the rule 10 minutes instead honestly
[25.05.2020 23:47:14] PlayerOa: What can I do about it, misunderstandings happen
[25.05.2020 23:48:03] PlayerOa: I feel it's better to give the leeway and let the discussion keep floating rather than enforcing something based on a misunderstanding
[25.05.2020 23:48:46] PlayerOa: If you disagree with that, sure fine PM me any concerns but that's how I feel like handling those situations
[25.05.2020 23:49:05] Coffeeditto: valid
[25.05.2020 23:51:14] PlayerOa: But please don't wait to as close as 5 minutes as possible if not necessary, as situations like those may occur
[25.05.2020 23:54:06] worldwideweb3: time up?
[25.05.2020 23:54:39] worldwideweb3: 48:45 was andres vote
[25.05.2020 23:54:44] worldwideweb3: ians correction was after
[25.05.2020 23:54:47] worldwideweb3: but.......
[25.05.2020 23:54:51] worldwideweb3: w/e :silly:
[25.05.2020 23:54:58] PlayerOa: oh lord has this thing happened again
[25.05.2020 23:55:09] worldwideweb3: yh
[25.05.2020 23:55:40] worldwideweb3: andres vote was 48:45 links vote 54:06 but ians correction at 49:44
[25.05.2020 23:56:30] PlayerOa: with today's guideline I'm compelled to continue to allow voting after correction clock
[25.05.2020 23:56:43] worldwideweb3: lols
[25.05.2020 23:56:52] Linkcat: Can we go past the hour lol?
[25.05.2020 23:56:58] PlayerOa: no
[25.05.2020 23:57:11] PlayerOa: 24:00:00 is strict final deadline
[25.05.2020 23:57:37] worldwideweb3: phew
[25.05.2020 23:58:51] moehrpi: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[25.05.2020 23:58:54] moehrpi: This is final, no?
[25.05.2020 23:59:35] moehrpi: Like, the final vote but not the exact rally.
[25.05.2020 23:59:39] worldwideweb3: it should be, but re: correction
[26.05.2020 00:00:22] TheonlyrealBeef: So it's a tie.
[26.05.2020 00:00:23] PlayerOa: let's see how this ended
[26.05.2020 00:00:28] rob77dp: my vote better get counted on Annele
[26.05.2020 00:00:38] rob77dp: had trouble getting updated text, but typed fast several times Annele
[26.05.2020 00:00:44] worldwideweb3: lmao
[26.05.2020 00:00:46] worldwideweb3: no lynch
[26.05.2020 00:00:55] rob77dp: tie is no lynch????
[26.05.2020 00:01:01] rob77dp: it isn't coin?
[26.05.2020 00:01:10] TheonlyrealBeef: Tie is no lynch.
[26.05.2020 00:01:14] PlayerOa: How the hell is MW on DC
[26.05.2020 00:01:15] moehrpi: [23:58:51] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game... [23:58:54] ‹moehrpi› This is final, no?
[26.05.2020 00:01:50] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Misunderstanding about what was final vote count. Had to keep prescedence already set
[26.05.2020 00:01:54] worldwideweb3: acc
[26.05.2020 00:02:52] Linkcat: I apologize for posting past deadline
[26.05.2020 00:03:12] rob77dp: we can post i nNight phase, right??
[26.05.2020 00:03:18] moehrpi: The actual count at that time was posted 1 minute later with a clear statement.
[26.05.2020 00:03:27] moehrpi: IS this reallly not gonna count?
[26.05.2020 00:03:29] PlayerOa: Yeah but please PLEASE give me a break to compile stuff
[26.05.2020 00:03:43] moehrpi: I didn't even pay attention to the last few posts.
[26.05.2020 00:04:07] rob77dp: ok, will hold off on thread Oa
[26.05.2020 00:04:23] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Again, as I said, there were misunderstandings whether ian's fixes were votes or fixes
[26.05.2020 00:04:49] kaempfer13: i'm pretty sure that juggling occured several times
[26.05.2020 00:04:53] moehrpi: It's not about ian's vote
[26.05.2020 00:04:57] Linkcat: God damnit iancu that was too funny
[26.05.2020 00:05:29] moehrpi: After Andre's count there was no vote for 5+ minutes.
[26.05.2020 00:05:31] Linkcat: I should have said you had to stay up lol, Oh well
[26.05.2020 00:05:39] PlayerOa: seems to me like Link's tally is correct
[26.05.2020 00:05:39] moehrpi: Only one correction from ian about one minute later.
[26.05.2020 00:06:05] serprex: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[26.05.2020 00:06:43] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› precedence
[26.05.2020 00:06:58] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› posting votes delays deadline
[26.05.2020 00:07:09] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› basically deadline was 22:00 UTC, not 21:00 UTC
[26.05.2020 00:07:16] Linkcat: ‹@PlayerOa› Can we change to 10 minutes for the rest of the game? This isn't good for my heart lol
[26.05.2020 00:07:31] rob77dp: or just a hard single deadline
[26.05.2020 00:07:33] TheonlyrealBeef: They're both ties, so no difference.
[26.05.2020 00:07:39] PlayerOa: ‹@Linkcat› 10 minutes hard cap, or 10 minutes without votes?
[26.05.2020 00:07:48] Linkcat: 10 minutes without votes
[26.05.2020 00:07:50] PlayerOa: I'm leaning towards rob's suggestion
[26.05.2020 00:07:56] PlayerOa: No way that's going to happen
[26.05.2020 00:07:57] Linkcat: Wow, iancu correction really got me twice
[26.05.2020 00:08:00] worldwideweb3: ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› nope, andres post had missed an earlier vote out
[26.05.2020 00:08:04] Linkcat: Aww :(
[26.05.2020 00:08:16] Linkcat: Well then I'm changing it for 74 onwards lol
[26.05.2020 00:08:17] moehrpi: ‹@serprex› That's the exact vote I am talking about.
[26.05.2020 00:08:25] Submachine: WHAT HAPPENED
[26.05.2020 00:08:28] moehrpi: There was no vote after this one within five minutes.
[26.05.2020 00:08:34] moehrpi: Am I missing something?
[26.05.2020 00:08:44] rob77dp: can we limit posting about the game in here?
[26.05.2020 00:08:47] Linkcat: I just scroll down until I see a tally
[26.05.2020 00:08:49] rob77dp: take some breaths?
[26.05.2020 00:08:50] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› ian posted votes
[26.05.2020 00:08:57] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› The fact that ian corrected it, but people thought that was a vote.
[26.05.2020 00:09:00] Linkcat: It's fine as long as we put in thread
[26.05.2020 00:09:09] rob77dp: ah ok
[26.05.2020 00:09:24] rob77dp: well then, @Sub -- you disappeared at EOD1
[26.05.2020 00:10:00] moehrpi: ‹@PlayerOa› [23:58:51] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game... [23:58:54] ‹moehrpi› This is final, no?
[26.05.2020 00:10:03] rob77dp: actually, you were gone for a while, then present, then disappeared when thread presence >>>>>>>> catching up effort
[26.05.2020 00:10:16] worldwideweb3: ‹@moehrpi› [23:08:57] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@moehrpi› The fact that ian corrected it, but people thought that was a vote.
[26.05.2020 00:10:17] PlayerOa: Link's final tally looks correct to me, if I have missed something now is the time to raise your voice
[26.05.2020 00:10:39] moehrpi: I am raising my voice.
[26.05.2020 00:10:56] rob77dp: louder then moe?
[26.05.2020 00:11:03] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[26.05.2020 00:11:19] moehrpi: This was posted one minute after the vote.
[26.05.2020 00:11:23] Linkcat: ‹@PlayerOa› I think I speak for most people when I say that EoD frenzy is one of the funnest and most adrenaline-inducing parts of this game, but due to rule 10 you do have the right to change it.
[26.05.2020 00:11:26] PlayerOa: ^ this caused the misunderstanding
[26.05.2020 00:11:32] moehrpi: And it clearly states actual count.
[26.05.2020 00:11:38] worldwideweb3: ‹@Linkcat› you do not speak for most people
[26.05.2020 00:11:45] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Yes, and a new vote came in within 5 minutes of that one
[26.05.2020 00:11:45] rob77dp: exhilerating
[26.05.2020 00:11:50] Linkcat: Shush, you're dead
[26.05.2020 00:11:58] rob77dp: I hate the anticipation of EOD, but enjoy the thrill of the actual EOD
[26.05.2020 00:12:09] worldwideweb3: you never siad youre talking about this mafia
[26.05.2020 00:12:12] kaempfer13: If a person can keep themselves alive for an hour by going back and forth without directly changing the outcome of the vote we might as well make the deadline officially one hour later and save the trouble
[26.05.2020 00:12:25] rob77dp: --^
[26.05.2020 00:12:28] moehrpi: So we caused two misunderstandings and both of them led to an extension?
[26.05.2020 00:12:34] Linkcat: I thought it was going to be anticlimactic tbh, oh how I unerestimated our collective trolling ability
[26.05.2020 00:12:38] PlayerOa: I'm hosting by the rules I were given.
[26.05.2020 00:12:53] worldwideweb3: ( im just talking for future mafias btw)
[26.05.2020 00:12:55] TheonlyrealBeef: Just hard deadline to prevent similar drama from recurring.
[26.05.2020 00:12:57] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Yeah, can't go back on the second one without going back on the first one due to presedence
[26.05.2020 00:12:58] Linkcat: Making the deadline one hour later officially is the same as not having the rule
[26.05.2020 00:13:05] moehrpi: I am confused people actually thought ian's second correction was an actual vote.
[26.05.2020 00:13:10] rob77dp: Oa, you're not doing much feeling the force, let it Flow through you, channel inner power to change things, use an iron fist! /sarc
[26.05.2020 00:13:24] PlayerOa: I'm really considering hardcapping 19:00 gmt from now on
[26.05.2020 00:13:29] Linkcat: ‹@moehrpi› Like I said, I hit reply then scroll down until I see a tally to track the time
[26.05.2020 00:13:32] moehrpi: It's not a precedence if it is different.
[26.05.2020 00:13:35] Submachine: ‹@PlayerOa› At least allow my vote on Annele? I was reading a post that was around :57
[26.05.2020 00:13:36] worldwideweb3: ‹@PlayerOa› i would
[26.05.2020 00:13:38] worldwideweb3: if i was you
[26.05.2020 00:13:41] rob77dp: Oa - up to you, as host I think
[26.05.2020 00:13:42] serprex: ‹@PlayerOa› +1 for hardcap
[26.05.2020 00:13:43] moehrpi: But I respect your ruling.
[26.05.2020 00:13:52] TheonlyrealBeef: ‹@PlayerOa› ++
[26.05.2020 00:13:55] moehrpi: I was just feeling ignored .
[26.05.2020 00:14:01] shockcannon: you can leave current rules but just give players a vote switch cooldown
[26.05.2020 00:14:09] shockcannon: so the same player can't reset so many times
[26.05.2020 00:14:18] shockcannon: Like you can only change your vote once every 20 minutes or something
[26.05.2020 00:14:25] PlayerOa: ‹@Submachine› 22:00 was mentioned as hardcap several times
[26.05.2020 00:14:31] rob77dp: way simpler and less likely to get mixup issues, shock, to eliminate rule and just hardcap
[26.05.2020 00:14:45] moehrpi: Welp, it did mess with my final voting.. Let's see if the rest of this mafia will unfold in an similarly funny way. :D
[26.05.2020 00:15:06] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Sorry, I'm just exploded after bunking an exam, then I'm hitting the language barrier in this situation
[25.05.2020 23:24:32] PlayerOa: max 35 minutes more
[25.05.2020 23:24:39] shockcannon: linkcat has had majority vote for about 20 minutes now and no one else has even tied it
[25.05.2020 23:24:42] PlayerOa: I'm enforcing 30 minutes starting from next phase
[25.05.2020 23:25:02] shockcannon: like what's considered perpetually delaying as opposed to new votes?
[25.05.2020 23:25:10] shockcannon: i'm confused about that differentiation
[25.05.2020 23:25:16] serprex: Linkcat clearly perpetually delaying when he's voting on himself, agreed
[25.05.2020 23:27:04] PlayerOa: I've been under the impression it means any votes unless back-to-back ones from same person
[25.05.2020 23:27:14] shockcannon: got it
[25.05.2020 23:27:21] shockcannon: just wanted clarification
[25.05.2020 23:27:22] PlayerOa: But I didn't realize the possibility of voting just to switch back
[25.05.2020 23:28:12] rob77dp: that has previoiusly been acceptable
[25.05.2020 23:28:44] rob77dp: NB - I haven't played in a long time
[25.05.2020 23:28:48] TheonlyrealBeef: As long as it's not consistently the same person, I imagine.
[25.05.2020 23:28:53] serprex:
[25.05.2020 23:30:03] worldwideweb3: ginyu did have 30 mins not one hour tho - and Oa said hell change to 30 mins next phase onwards
[25.05.2020 23:30:52] PlayerOa: ^ yeah this 1 hour was mostly due to me not having clarified earlier so wanted to give you some leeway
[25.05.2020 23:32:43] PlayerOa: 23:29:31 is latest vote btw, not 23:30:13
[25.05.2020 23:32:58] worldwideweb3: shhhh dont tell them
[25.05.2020 23:33:01] worldwideweb3: and hammer
[25.05.2020 23:33:14] PlayerOa: :awesome:
[25.05.2020 23:33:57] worldwideweb3: idk why every mafia at EOD people start voting when theyve had 2 days :facepalm: next mafia idea: reduce days to 1 day as it goes down to EOD anyways :sillyspin:
[25.05.2020 23:34:47] PlayerOa: Time's up!
[25.05.2020 23:34:58] worldwideweb3: or not
[25.05.2020 23:35:00] worldwideweb3: rob voted
[25.05.2020 23:35:06] shockcannon: BeCaUsE tHeY mUsT pRoTeCt GrAbOiD
[25.05.2020 23:35:15] worldwideweb3: tho his vote
[25.05.2020 23:35:17] worldwideweb3: was after
[25.05.2020 23:35:18] TheonlyrealBeef: 8 seconds late, strictly speaking
[25.05.2020 23:35:18] PlayerOa: 8 seconds too late, no?
[25.05.2020 23:35:19] worldwideweb3: deadline
[25.05.2020 23:35:27] worldwideweb3: yup 8 seconds late, all over
[25.05.2020 23:35:30] rob77dp: internet lag
[25.05.2020 23:35:31] worldwideweb3: finally
[25.05.2020 23:35:32] moehrpi: Looks like in time to me
[25.05.2020 23:35:41] rob77dp: --^
[25.05.2020 23:35:50] worldwideweb3: 29:13, 34:39
[25.05.2020 23:35:56] worldwideweb3: 5 minutes 8 seconds
[25.05.2020 23:36:14] Wyand:
[25.05.2020 23:36:15] rob77dp: on my local clock it was fine... Host decision rules though I guess...
[25.05.2020 23:36:17] worldwideweb3: the vote was at 29:13, ian posted later to correct count
[25.05.2020 23:36:21] worldwideweb3: not change votes
[25.05.2020 23:36:30] moehrpi: Oh, I checken the double post.
[25.05.2020 23:36:35] TheonlyrealBeef: 29:31, not 13
[25.05.2020 23:36:46] worldwideweb3: oh yh oops
[25.05.2020 23:36:58] worldwideweb3: still 5 mins 8 secs tho :P
[25.05.2020 23:37:19] PlayerOa: What can I do? Where can I draw the line if 8 seconds aren't enough?
[25.05.2020 23:37:24] moehrpi: U N L Y N C H A B L E
[25.05.2020 23:37:37] moehrpi: Draw the line.
[25.05.2020 23:37:37] TheonlyrealBeef: The double post was admittably confusing.
[25.05.2020 23:37:48] worldwideweb3: ‹@PlayerOa› they are enough
[25.05.2020 23:37:57] moehrpi: ian baiting on the next level.
[25.05.2020 23:38:04] worldwideweb3: its always been strict in terms of deadline
[25.05.2020 23:38:06] rob77dp: as host you draw the line
[25.05.2020 23:38:12] rob77dp: but it feels a tad harsh
[25.05.2020 23:38:22] PlayerOa: ian's fixing was the source of confusion
[25.05.2020 23:38:29] PlayerOa: but eh
[25.05.2020 23:38:30] Linkcat: I go for spirit of the rules over letter, myself.
[25.05.2020 23:38:34] PlayerOa: you can keep going
[25.05.2020 23:38:36] PlayerOa: I'm fine with it
[25.05.2020 23:38:39] Linkcat: The players intended to keep going
[25.05.2020 23:38:42] Linkcat: Thanks Oa
[25.05.2020 23:39:07] moehrpi: 'but it feels a tad harsh' That's what makes it fun :sillyspin:
[25.05.2020 23:41:52] MasterWalks:
[25.05.2020 23:46:15] shockcannon: I have no qualms or issues with the choices made
[25.05.2020 23:46:30] shockcannon: but the timer incident may have some serious implications for this game
[25.05.2020 23:47:04] Linkcat: I should make the rule 10 minutes instead honestly
[25.05.2020 23:47:14] PlayerOa: What can I do about it, misunderstandings happen
[25.05.2020 23:48:03] PlayerOa: I feel it's better to give the leeway and let the discussion keep floating rather than enforcing something based on a misunderstanding
[25.05.2020 23:48:46] PlayerOa: If you disagree with that, sure fine PM me any concerns but that's how I feel like handling those situations
[25.05.2020 23:49:05] Coffeeditto: valid
[25.05.2020 23:51:14] PlayerOa: But please don't wait to as close as 5 minutes as possible if not necessary, as situations like those may occur
[25.05.2020 23:54:06] worldwideweb3: time up?
[25.05.2020 23:54:39] worldwideweb3: 48:45 was andres vote
[25.05.2020 23:54:44] worldwideweb3: ians correction was after
[25.05.2020 23:54:47] worldwideweb3: but.......
[25.05.2020 23:54:51] worldwideweb3: w/e :silly:
[25.05.2020 23:54:58] PlayerOa: oh lord has this thing happened again
[25.05.2020 23:55:09] worldwideweb3: yh
[25.05.2020 23:55:40] worldwideweb3: andres vote was 48:45 links vote 54:06 but ians correction at 49:44
[25.05.2020 23:56:30] PlayerOa: with today's guideline I'm compelled to continue to allow voting after correction clock
[25.05.2020 23:56:43] worldwideweb3: lols
[25.05.2020 23:56:52] Linkcat: Can we go past the hour lol?
[25.05.2020 23:56:58] PlayerOa: no
[25.05.2020 23:57:11] PlayerOa: 24:00:00 is strict final deadline
[25.05.2020 23:57:37] worldwideweb3: phew
[25.05.2020 23:58:51] moehrpi: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[25.05.2020 23:58:54] moehrpi: This is final, no?
[25.05.2020 23:59:35] moehrpi: Like, the final vote but not the exact rally.
[25.05.2020 23:59:39] worldwideweb3: it should be, but re: correction
[26.05.2020 00:00:22] TheonlyrealBeef: So it's a tie.
[26.05.2020 00:00:23] PlayerOa: let's see how this ended
[26.05.2020 00:00:28] rob77dp: my vote better get counted on Annele
[26.05.2020 00:00:38] rob77dp: had trouble getting updated text, but typed fast several times Annele
[26.05.2020 00:00:44] worldwideweb3: lmao
[26.05.2020 00:00:46] worldwideweb3: no lynch
[26.05.2020 00:00:55] rob77dp: tie is no lynch????
[26.05.2020 00:01:01] rob77dp: it isn't coin?
[26.05.2020 00:01:10] TheonlyrealBeef: Tie is no lynch.
[26.05.2020 00:01:14] PlayerOa: How the hell is MW on DC
[26.05.2020 00:01:15] moehrpi: [23:58:51] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game... [23:58:54] ‹moehrpi› This is final, no?
[26.05.2020 00:01:50] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Misunderstanding about what was final vote count. Had to keep prescedence already set
[26.05.2020 00:01:54] worldwideweb3: acc
[26.05.2020 00:02:52] Linkcat: I apologize for posting past deadline
[26.05.2020 00:03:12] rob77dp: we can post i nNight phase, right??
[26.05.2020 00:03:18] moehrpi: The actual count at that time was posted 1 minute later with a clear statement.
[26.05.2020 00:03:27] moehrpi: IS this reallly not gonna count?
[26.05.2020 00:03:29] PlayerOa: Yeah but please PLEASE give me a break to compile stuff
[26.05.2020 00:03:43] moehrpi: I didn't even pay attention to the last few posts.
[26.05.2020 00:04:07] rob77dp: ok, will hold off on thread Oa
[26.05.2020 00:04:23] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Again, as I said, there were misunderstandings whether ian's fixes were votes or fixes
[26.05.2020 00:04:49] kaempfer13: i'm pretty sure that juggling occured several times
[26.05.2020 00:04:53] moehrpi: It's not about ian's vote
[26.05.2020 00:04:57] Linkcat: God damnit iancu that was too funny
[26.05.2020 00:05:29] moehrpi: After Andre's count there was no vote for 5+ minutes.
[26.05.2020 00:05:31] Linkcat: I should have said you had to stay up lol, Oh well
[26.05.2020 00:05:39] PlayerOa: seems to me like Link's tally is correct
[26.05.2020 00:05:39] moehrpi: Only one correction from ian about one minute later.
[26.05.2020 00:06:05] serprex: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[26.05.2020 00:06:43] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› precedence
[26.05.2020 00:06:58] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› posting votes delays deadline
[26.05.2020 00:07:09] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› basically deadline was 22:00 UTC, not 21:00 UTC
[26.05.2020 00:07:16] Linkcat: ‹@PlayerOa› Can we change to 10 minutes for the rest of the game? This isn't good for my heart lol
[26.05.2020 00:07:31] rob77dp: or just a hard single deadline
[26.05.2020 00:07:33] TheonlyrealBeef: They're both ties, so no difference.
[26.05.2020 00:07:39] PlayerOa: ‹@Linkcat› 10 minutes hard cap, or 10 minutes without votes?
[26.05.2020 00:07:48] Linkcat: 10 minutes without votes
[26.05.2020 00:07:50] PlayerOa: I'm leaning towards rob's suggestion
[26.05.2020 00:07:56] PlayerOa: No way that's going to happen
[26.05.2020 00:07:57] Linkcat: Wow, iancu correction really got me twice
[26.05.2020 00:08:00] worldwideweb3: ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› nope, andres post had missed an earlier vote out
[26.05.2020 00:08:04] Linkcat: Aww :(
[26.05.2020 00:08:16] Linkcat: Well then I'm changing it for 74 onwards lol
[26.05.2020 00:08:17] moehrpi: ‹@serprex› That's the exact vote I am talking about.
[26.05.2020 00:08:25] Submachine: WHAT HAPPENED
[26.05.2020 00:08:28] moehrpi: There was no vote after this one within five minutes.
[26.05.2020 00:08:34] moehrpi: Am I missing something?
[26.05.2020 00:08:44] rob77dp: can we limit posting about the game in here?
[26.05.2020 00:08:47] Linkcat: I just scroll down until I see a tally
[26.05.2020 00:08:49] rob77dp: take some breaths?
[26.05.2020 00:08:50] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› ian posted votes
[26.05.2020 00:08:57] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› The fact that ian corrected it, but people thought that was a vote.
[26.05.2020 00:09:00] Linkcat: It's fine as long as we put in thread
[26.05.2020 00:09:09] rob77dp: ah ok
[26.05.2020 00:09:24] rob77dp: well then, @Sub -- you disappeared at EOD1
[26.05.2020 00:10:00] moehrpi: ‹@PlayerOa› [23:58:51] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game... [23:58:54] ‹moehrpi› This is final, no?
[26.05.2020 00:10:03] rob77dp: actually, you were gone for a while, then present, then disappeared when thread presence >>>>>>>> catching up effort
[26.05.2020 00:10:16] worldwideweb3: ‹@moehrpi› [23:08:57] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@moehrpi› The fact that ian corrected it, but people thought that was a vote.
[26.05.2020 00:10:17] PlayerOa: Link's final tally looks correct to me, if I have missed something now is the time to raise your voice
[26.05.2020 00:10:39] moehrpi: I am raising my voice.
[26.05.2020 00:10:56] rob77dp: louder then moe?
[26.05.2020 00:11:03] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[26.05.2020 00:11:19] moehrpi: This was posted one minute after the vote.
[26.05.2020 00:11:23] Linkcat: ‹@PlayerOa› I think I speak for most people when I say that EoD frenzy is one of the funnest and most adrenaline-inducing parts of this game, but due to rule 10 you do have the right to change it.
[26.05.2020 00:11:26] PlayerOa: ^ this caused the misunderstanding
[26.05.2020 00:11:32] moehrpi: And it clearly states actual count.
[26.05.2020 00:11:38] worldwideweb3: ‹@Linkcat› you do not speak for most people
[26.05.2020 00:11:45] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Yes, and a new vote came in within 5 minutes of that one
[26.05.2020 00:11:45] rob77dp: exhilerating
[26.05.2020 00:11:50] Linkcat: Shush, you're dead
[26.05.2020 00:11:58] rob77dp: I hate the anticipation of EOD, but enjoy the thrill of the actual EOD
[26.05.2020 00:12:09] worldwideweb3: you never siad youre talking about this mafia
[26.05.2020 00:12:12] kaempfer13: If a person can keep themselves alive for an hour by going back and forth without directly changing the outcome of the vote we might as well make the deadline officially one hour later and save the trouble
[26.05.2020 00:12:25] rob77dp: --^
[26.05.2020 00:12:28] moehrpi: So we caused two misunderstandings and both of them led to an extension?
[26.05.2020 00:12:34] Linkcat: I thought it was going to be anticlimactic tbh, oh how I unerestimated our collective trolling ability
[26.05.2020 00:12:38] PlayerOa: I'm hosting by the rules I were given.
[26.05.2020 00:12:53] worldwideweb3: ( im just talking for future mafias btw)
[26.05.2020 00:12:55] TheonlyrealBeef: Just hard deadline to prevent similar drama from recurring.
[26.05.2020 00:12:57] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Yeah, can't go back on the second one without going back on the first one due to presedence
[26.05.2020 00:12:58] Linkcat: Making the deadline one hour later officially is the same as not having the rule
[26.05.2020 00:13:05] moehrpi: I am confused people actually thought ian's second correction was an actual vote.
[26.05.2020 00:13:10] rob77dp: Oa, you're not doing much feeling the force, let it Flow through you, channel inner power to change things, use an iron fist! /sarc
[26.05.2020 00:13:24] PlayerOa: I'm really considering hardcapping 19:00 gmt from now on
[26.05.2020 00:13:29] Linkcat: ‹@moehrpi› Like I said, I hit reply then scroll down until I see a tally to track the time
[26.05.2020 00:13:32] moehrpi: It's not a precedence if it is different.
[26.05.2020 00:13:35] Submachine: ‹@PlayerOa› At least allow my vote on Annele? I was reading a post that was around :57
[26.05.2020 00:13:36] worldwideweb3: ‹@PlayerOa› i would
[26.05.2020 00:13:38] worldwideweb3: if i was you
[26.05.2020 00:13:41] rob77dp: Oa - up to you, as host I think
[26.05.2020 00:13:42] serprex: ‹@PlayerOa› +1 for hardcap
[26.05.2020 00:13:43] moehrpi: But I respect your ruling.
[26.05.2020 00:13:52] TheonlyrealBeef: ‹@PlayerOa› ++
[26.05.2020 00:13:55] moehrpi: I was just feeling ignored .
[26.05.2020 00:14:01] shockcannon: you can leave current rules but just give players a vote switch cooldown
[26.05.2020 00:14:09] shockcannon: so the same player can't reset so many times
[26.05.2020 00:14:18] shockcannon: Like you can only change your vote once every 20 minutes or something
[26.05.2020 00:14:25] PlayerOa: ‹@Submachine› 22:00 was mentioned as hardcap several times
[26.05.2020 00:14:31] rob77dp: way simpler and less likely to get mixup issues, shock, to eliminate rule and just hardcap
[26.05.2020 00:14:45] moehrpi: Welp, it did mess with my final voting.. Let's see if the rest of this mafia will unfold in an similarly funny way. :D
[26.05.2020 00:15:06] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Sorry, I'm just exploded after bunking an exam, then I'm hitting the language barrier in this situation
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2020, 10:20:24 pm
There was no lynch.
wow town sucks
Post by: rob77dp on May 25, 2020, 10:21:15 pm
This EOD has clues. We just need to discern them to play from there. ughwhew
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 10:24:11 pm
Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll Graboid, Shock I love you, Sub I still hate you, Angel/FFQ/Dragonfly on me.
There was no lynch.
wow town sucks
YOU SUCK
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 10:25:19 pm
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 10:27:16 pm
Who saved them? Mafia outed themselves this game: rob, link, kdz, oa
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 10:32:20 pm
Will be mostly afk for like 2 hours, then I can go diving. Feel free to start without me.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 10:44:06 pm
Post by: Annele on May 25, 2020, 10:49:13 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2020, 10:51:33 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2020, 10:51:46 pm
what a mess to wake up to
Be happy there still is something for you to wake up to. :)
Post by: serprex on May 25, 2020, 11:55:54 pm
If unlynchable is the reason, this feels like breaking the rules of playing with the intention of winning the game...Yup.No, this is happening because U N L Y N C H A B L EIf people are really doing it just so they can say they were part of a Link lynch and not because they'r trying to lync scum, and those same people are town then f that. THat is not playing to win-con.
I guess tone reads aren't intending to the win the game, so modkill for anyone who makes tone reads?
dw you can save wasting NK on me, given enough time I'll work out some way to get MK'd even with how laid back Oa is
Only way Linkcat vote isn't somehow intending to win the game compared to pushing a dead wagon is if mafia is kae/rob. ofc, I can't very well know that can I?
kae/rob aren't w/w because reasons
Post by: Linkcat on May 26, 2020, 12:58:09 am
Quick observations before I go watch some Glee to decompress:
Rob is lock town, there's no way he tries as hard as me to save me as I do when he could easily just let me die and say, "Sorry guys, I tried." when he already has two confirmed town to NK.
Sub is lock town, if he's mafia he's communicating with his teammates, not coming into the thread clueless at the last minute. He also wouldn't be constantly behind on the game by spending all that time doing quotewalls and not actively contributing.
MW is pretty town, he has no reason to get off me after being stubborn all that time and it's line with how he plays.
Andre is pretty town, he has no reason to offer to go Annele over me when he gets a free justification for his vote.
2/5 votes on me are confirmed town, (thanks guys) so that means there's 1-2 mafia in Annele, kaempfer, and shock. Offensive Roles, Warden, and Psion should go here. Assuming Annele is mafia and my reads aren't horribly wrong, the rest are in Calin and the non-voters (DC, kdz, maybe Torb) and maybe iancu, don't think Ge0 would park his vote on a teammate like that, especially during EoD when he was at least somewhat around. If Annele isn't mafia then things get complicated. I believe she should be our next lynch and it's a real travesty that we have to waste another day on this since we dropped the ball Day 1.
I'm planning on making a play-by-play of EoD so that we don't all have to go through 20 pages every time we want to analyze it, but no promises.
Post by: rob77dp on May 26, 2020, 02:37:13 am
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
OK, well - final vote count of sorts... there was an apparent legit attempt by Sub to get over onto Annele, for what that's worth.
For anybody harboring or holding a scum-read on Link, please let me in on what leads you to that conclusion or read. The tinfoil has to be pretty strong for me to see a scenario where wolf!Link is so cavalier about himself being that close to getting lynched when he would know he is 1/4 of a team and would almost surely think that his team needs him alive to win. I struggle to see a wolf!Link scum-team coming up with a plan out of the gate for Day 1 implementation where Link is going to bandy about in broad daylight and risk himself... I normally am one to downplay "danger" of getting lynched when many players are quite concerned of "being too clsoe to EOD!" but today's events were real in terms of his being a lynch candidate.
In _both_ worlds, the one I find most likely right now of town!Link and where he is scum!Link, I don't think the town at-large on our site gets to a point of just "wanting to see him die" and/or actually finding him the scummiest player worth lynching. That is, if he is scum then it had to be part of a plan that scum go heavy/vote-him on Day 1 for credit if he flips _or_ scum saw a chance to mislynch a town!Link. This is how I see the events overall EOD1.
Also, just giving opening looks at the vote counts and wagons -- I have to agree with Link's take that with serp/moe as towns there is probably 1 or 2 (more would be very surprising unless the team is exactly Annele, kae, shock, and ?timpa? - hm, not sure how to feel about that given that timpa/Annele were the only other legit wagon choices at real EOD and timpa throws onto Annele at the dearth? nah, it is not that exact four, so I doubt also it is the trio either). So a town!Link wagon looks to probably have 1, or 2, scum on it, among Annele / kae / shock.
TL;DR-- It makes most sense to me for a world where Link is town, and that 1 or 2 of the trio of Annele/kae/shock are scum on his wagon at EOD.
Post by: rob77dp on May 26, 2020, 02:46:38 am
EBWOP:
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?EOD1 final votecount?
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
(I see now, I copied the incorrect post of the count...)
Post by: rob77dp on May 26, 2020, 03:13:22 am
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 03:20:55 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 26, 2020, 03:54:27 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 26, 2020, 04:29:51 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 26, 2020, 05:42:59 am
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297398/#msg1297398
I'm going to choose this as my starting point for my EOD summary because it's the spark that lit the fire for, oh let's see, 256 posts over the course of the next 2 hours and 7 minutes.
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
After taking heat all day, the rob wagon never picks up steam again after this, leaving andre as the only wagon at this point. Shock's vote is apparently to get reactions, which definitely works.
Me and rob argue about who's leading the andre lynch.
Sub says he doesn't want to lynch me or rob yet but doesn't vote andre because he's not sure about Graboid.
Rob gives first signal that he's starting to townread me for wanting more vote action.
Rob switches to Annele to try to get more such action, but still scumreads andre.
Torb says he would vote andre because it's not stable yet, and oh look there goes rob.
I call rob out for backing off his bus.
Serp, confirmed town and the only vote on rob, asks to lynch rob.
Shock switches to Annele putting her in the lead.
MW says he doesn't trust me and isn't intimidated by me, both of which hurt my feelings.
We make fun of Sub and he has a crackpot theory.
MW votes shock going off an old vote count, which isn't helpful either way.
Kaempfer is confused for about rob's statement when he switched, which he still hasn't explained.
Serp asks kaempfer if he still won't vote rob.
Rob tries to get traction on Annele and defends his push.
Kaempfer is still confused, so are me and torb.
Torb states Annele is still a town lean.
I state that Annele is a town lean.
I yell at rob.
Serp gets on rob's case again.
Coffee finally logs in to the forum.
I tell everyone that's not on rob or andre to move their votes.
Kaempfer is still confused and considers voting rob.
Serp tempts him to the dark side again.
Sub comments that people don't like rob's switch, but nobody's voting him except serp.
Moe says he's fine with andre or Annele.
Rob says his experiment is over and switches back to andre.
Rob asks for vote tally after it was just reposted for the second time.
Shock asks serp and kaempfer to make a voting bloc with him and lynch me, rob, or MW.
Rob asks shock why he's voting Annele. The reason is because shock.
I post the tally third time for rob.
Shock switches back to andre.
Votes are the same as the starting point except MW's useless vote is on shock instead of kaempfer.
Moe votes andre putting him to 5 votes.
EoD happens 20 seconds after this, we start with a 4 minute and 40 second extension.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297480/#msg1297480
Ge0 says he was busy but is fine with andre, Annele, kaempfer, or rob lynch and doesn't post again for the day, though he was looking at the thread near the end.
Kaempf says to shock he is not okay with MW lynch and not sure about rob, but me and rob aren't w/w.
Rob tries to understand shock. The poor soul.
I shade rob again for switching back.
Oa states hard deadline 1 hour after EoD.
Rob says he wouldn't bus this way.
MW votes on me. Says not ok with andre lynch and wants to infolynch me.
I taunt some more about how unlynchable I am by self-voting. Rob says he won't townread a bus because of this. Serp takes the bait and shock now has his voting bloc so he jumps on too, putting me ahead of andre 5-4 with Ge0 still on Annele. This pleases me. I expect the votes to fall off. They do not. This does not please me.
Sub comes to my rescue and ties it up. This is where the stalemate starts that last through the full hour.
I say that I only scumread MW out of my wagon.
Shock pretends that he's orchestrating things.
Serp again states that rob is mafia, and also that I am an ass, which I confirm.
10 minutes have passed since EoD.
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Sub again states me and rob aren't getting lynched, which is correct.
Kaempfer doesn't have time to process things because of deadline. Neither does anyone else, really.
Rob asks to CFD onto Annele so we can get a lynch through.
I'm still waiting for Ge0 but he doesn't show up.
Me and rob both townread Sub.
Rob votes Annele.
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
I ask iancu to vote.
Serp says I should be claiming to have Frozen iancu, I claim no ability use.
Kaempfer wants to infolynch me. Big red flag.
Shock restates the need for his voting bloc.
I switch to Annele, partially to reset timer, partially to see if we can get enough traction.
MW says rob isn't honest about berating kaempfer for infolynch.
Serp says please to moe, not sure if he wants him to vote me, annele, or something else.
I ask Calin to switch to Annele as he hasn't been posting.
20 minutes have passed since EoD.
Rob progresses his townread on me.
Serp asks moe to vote rob with him.
Shock says kaempfer is confirmed based on N0 actions, which is almost definitely not true.
Rob calls out MW for apparently forgetting moe is confirmed.
Moe says he'd kill me over rob.
Serp says rob is trying to buddy me for towncred after I flip.
Serp tells moe to vote me.
Iancu enters thread, is very confused and puts down a placeholder vote.
Serp mocks me with scripture, yet I threw myself down and still live.
I ask iancu to lynch andre.
I switch back to andre to extend timer.
Rob again asks support for Annele.
Iancu decides to trust rob and votes Annele.
30 minutes have passed since EoD.
Me and rob both tell iancu serp won't like him sheeping rob.
Serp asks people to at least vote on wagons with confirmed town.
Shock says scumreading Annele is dumb.
Rob asks serp what his townread on Annele is, serp says he just prefers andre and that town should stop trolling me and switch to andre, but doesn't take his own advice.
Rob switches back to andre. Votes are back at the previous tally now with iancu joining Ge0 on Annele.
Iancu trolls us with his correction tally, but Oa is a merciful god and lets us keep playing.
Sub isn't caught up but is open to Annele lynch.
Serp taunts me again but I'm still not dead.
Rob comments again on how much harder it is to lynch Annele than me or andre.
40 minutes have passed since EoD.
Iancu trusts rob less because of vote-switching.
Mw asks why he should vote andre over me.
Rob tells MW again not to infolynch and to vote his top scumread of the wagons.
I explain the vote switching to iancu.
Serp says the only people that should switch are the ones on Annele to andre.
Kaempfer is overwhelmed, I tell him to just vote on andre so he can sleep.
Shock says the only way rob saves me is to die instead.
I support serp's suggestion.
MW says me or andre could be mafia so stays on me, no read on Annele.
Iancu switches to andre, finally putting him ahead.
Serp asks rob to admit he only lived because kae wouldn't put the bloc on him.
Shock says the mafia revealed themselves.
Moe switches to me, not sure if genuine read or really wanted the day to end to iancu's correction.
Kaempfer gives ATE for not lynching Annele.
Rob solidifies his townread on me.
Andre shows up at the worst possible time and puts me two votes ahead.
A meme is born.
50 minutes have passed since EoD.
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Torb says to lynch andre over me because I'm more valuable but still can't vote.
I post last second reads because this is the first point at which I thought there was an actual chance of me dying.
MW agrees with Torb and switches to me, tying it up again.
Andre responds to Torb saying he would lynch annele over me.
I switch to Annele because it's the only way we're avoiding lynching me or No Lynch.
Shock says the core votes on me aren't changing except to rob, I townread rob at this point and am not sure it's feasible so I'm all in on Annele.
Rob clarifies that he votes Annele but nobody notices.
I do quick maths to see who we need to lynch annele, iancu is one of them and he switches.
Serp says he'd vote rob but there's less than 3 minutes left.
Andre switches to Annele.
Sub shows up again and bestows upon rob the responsibility to prevent my lynch and says he's going to bed.
Rob restates his Annele vote but accidentally says andre instead.
I'm having trouble processing how absurd sub's post is.
Rob corrects himself.
1 hour has passed since EoD, Day ends for real after iancu trolled us agin with the correction.
I express my feelings for Sub. 2 seconds
Rob restates vote. 5 seconds
MW corrects with a wrong tally because he had been put on DC for some reason. 11 seconds
Shock removes his vote with the wrong tally. 40 seconds
Chat discussion is happening at and before this time.
Sub votes Annele TWO MINUTES AND THREE SECONDS AFTER DEADLINE and I am upset but have the correct count, which ends in a tie.
Iancu manages to make a twitch emote funny.
Oa, Sub, and Torb finally get to sleep, and their dreams are filled of rainbows and butterflies and attempted murder.
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
THE END
Post by: Linkcat on May 26, 2020, 05:54:14 am
Linkcat
rob
MW
Sub
iancu
moe
Me
shock
serp
MW
kaempfer
moe
self-pres from andre which doesn't count
Annele
Linkcat
rob
andre
iancu
Sub
People who stated intent to kill rob at EoD
serp
shock
My current "called it Day 1" team is Annele, kaempfer, Calin, and one of DC/kdz.
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 06:33:12 am
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 06:35:23 am
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 26, 2020, 07:08:25 am
Big thank you to Link for making a summary post. Also thank you to Oa for staying up.
I was able to fit a couple posts in during a break at work where I briefly gave thoughts on the situation after being asked by Link and Rob. Tally at the time was:
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
I honestly thought the day was about to end with andre lynch and didn't bother to switch my vote. In hindsight probably a misplay, if I had switched Link should not have been almost lynched. I haven't had time to fully process things, not sure if anyone has, but I have Link, rob, and andre all trending upwards after that EOD. I really thought that at the least, confirmed town was going to switch off voting Link last minute. Very surprised when they did not, has me feeling somewhat confused and worried that my read on Link might be wrong? Don't put too much weight on what I just said there, I still very much think Link is town. Just with two confirmed town voting for Link lynch, and many people previously stating that Link is one of the hardest to read (and it being something he seemingly takes pride in possibly), I have an ever so small sliver of doubt.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 26, 2020, 07:22:29 am
I'd like to read a post on thoughts about andretimpa/Linkcat alignment as well as Annele/shockcannon. Trying to be chummy with me was a major red flag, but if you can post my thoughts before I type them out, I might be more inclined to put you as town.
Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll GraboidI get to dig up dirt all day long, it's really not so bad here.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 26, 2020, 07:32:11 am
Quote
Torb states Annele is still a town lean.then why
I state that Annele is a town lean.
I yell at rob.
Rob votes Annele.
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
Quote
Rob votes Annele.IIrc if the trains were you vs andre at the point in time, but you followed rob despite you townreading her? Why not try to kick your own train? When did your opinion flip some time between these 2 halves?
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
I ask iancu to vote.
Serp says I should be claiming to have Frozen iancu, I claim no ability use.
Kaempfer wants to infolynch me. Big red flag.
Shock restates the need for his voting bloc.
I switch to Annele, partially to reset timer, partially to see if we can get enough traction.
That said also ATE = Appeal To Emotion, CFD = Chinese Fire Drill, a last minute vote on someone who had little/none
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 26, 2020, 07:47:51 am
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
Damn you Linkcat.
I'm not giving mafia a free :time Walk.
And the thing is, I didn't want my damn placeholder vote to be a subject of a mafia blitz... I'm rereading the post between rob and Link re: EOD and I'm getting a Δ+ opinion of both of them but im still honestly perplexed as to how Link went from townread Annele to jumping on rob's Annele vote. Even if it was to cover his butt (and based on my guess of his rough 'kind' of secondary role) I would have believed he'd do one of his more scummier reads at the time.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 26, 2020, 07:52:56 am
Clues: rob & link are indeed unlynchable
Who saved them? Mafia outed themselves this game: rob, link, kdz, oa
Oa didn't even tell us who is mafia I think we should lynch him amirite
Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll GraboidI get to dig up dirt all day long, it's really not so bad here.
Honestly you and either shock or serp should have switched secondaries, smh.
Post by: Linkcat on May 26, 2020, 08:11:32 am
IfQuoteTorb states Annele is still a town lean.then why
I state that Annele is a town lean.
I yell at rob.
Rob votes Annele.
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.QuoteRob votes Annele.IIrc if the trains were you vs andre at the point in time, but you followed rob despite you townreading her? Why not try to kick your own train? When did your opinion flip some time between these 2 halves?
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
I ask iancu to vote.
Serp says I should be claiming to have Frozen iancu, I claim no ability use.
Kaempfer wants to infolynch me. Big red flag.
Shock restates the need for his voting bloc.
I switch to Annele, partially to reset timer, partially to see if we can get enough traction.
That said also ATE = Appeal To Emotion, CFD = Chinese Fire Drill, a last minute vote on someone who had little/none
It didn't look like andre was happening and there were barely enough votes to break my wagon, and Annele already had 2 so it was my best bet.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 08:38:26 am
Clearing up some confusion (probably not what I should focus on now, but it seems obv now that i was wrong): Between serprex weirdly associating with shock and communicating outside thread, shock talking about the number of players knowing he's town and mw thinking he confirmed shock through a secondary I was so sure that shock was egg/crusader that became a deja vu. Given that the host didnt know at the time that mafia could roll deja as well, that would indeed confirm shock in an angly way. This doesnt seem to be the case however.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 09:03:18 am
@kaempfer13timpa self pressing onto Linkcat, but then taking the time to pick Annele over Linkcat when he roughly caught up with the actual votecount probably means that he isnt aligned with either of them and he probably could have just lynched Linkcat and be done with it as scum, so I maintain my townlean.
I'd like to read a post on thoughts about andretimpa/Linkcat alignment as well as Annele/shockcannon. Trying to be chummy with me was a major red flag, but if you can post my thoughts before I type them out, I might be more inclined to put you as town.Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll GraboidI get to dig up dirt all day long, it's really not so bad here.
I still have my doubts wrt to Linkcat; I have decentish townreads of everyone on his train (except Annele not sure about her, but she wasnt around for EoD frenzy and i dont really scumread her either), so I actually still think its possible that he's scum and his team couldnt risk saving him without potentially outing themselves as the votes were somewhat volatile and if Linkcat had been lynched as scum everyone voting for counterwagons at EoD would be watched more closely.
I'll have another look at Annele/shockcannon, but so far I'm feeling pretty neutral towards Annele and townlean shockcannon for different reasons now.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 09:05:58 am
I wasnt really trying to be chummy (that means friendly, right?), with you, just rob did sth so weird I suddenly saw some of the same things you did earlier as possibility.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 26, 2020, 09:51:48 am
I am SORRY if the timing is poor, but I have been working on this, so I am posting it now.I like that observation Link. Care to start a wagon as what develops? I do.Stop trying to buddy me.I can buddy whoever I want, buddy (hint- I'm not buddying anyone).Then some time later:Rob, buddy, just claim Fate Egg so I don't have to lynch you today. I would really love to play with you some more.This one is barely relevant, but the contradiction is hilarious to me. This whole buddying thing is either a joke, a contradiction, or it suggests that Link can buddy rob but rob can't buddy Link. Moving on.just claim Fate Egg so I don't have to lynch you today.But apparently Link controls who gets lynched. Be it Town or Mafia, but it is O R C H E S T R A T E time, baby.~
(It would be logical if Link meant voting and not lynching, but assuming control over the lynch is something I can see him doing. Even if this is what happened, this is NAI (not indicative of alignment) for Link.)
edit:And finally, some votes on me. I applaud your enthusiasm, but it's not going through.LOL. This is what I'm talking about.Not voting is good while you agree with the tally. Gives a wide net for who could be graboid. Even if GN is off the table, there's still nice roles out there like Psion & FFQ. Let mafia have to risk missing on graboid if they want to go after the no-vote crowd
I [...] need to challenge my own thinking that maybe voting early in the day can stimulate discussion but it sums up my own perception.
As I said before, good idea but voting is more valuable. Usually there's 1 or 2 people who like to hold on to votes, but if more people do it that's an easy way to mislynch.I didn't vote before because of the graboid suggestion but I'd like to see what sub has to say before he's killed. There seems to be a lot to this story that I've somehow missed? I'm curious to see how much it will change.Asking everyone. What's the final concensus on holding back votes to hide the Graboid? In case you haven't noticed yet, I haven't voted yet either. I am intentionally pointing this out to make people think I am not a Graboid, but if I am, that would explain my lack of votes.~
In case anyone is holding back a vote because of this, is that okay or nay?I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt townThis comment is based solely on reading the thread. He did not gain any information from his role.And you know it, because... ?
What I mean is, everyone assumed kae was not the Golden Nymph after the GN dropped dead, and no other roles check primaries, so it felt obvious to me that it was only a read. But you seem to have knowledge of his role. Possibilities, from most likely to least likely:
I don't wanna say it out loud. Let's just say "This is not the time to be softing...".- MW only made an assumption but treated it like a fact (kae could have been Egg Nymph for all we know).
MW and kae are working together outside the topic.
edit:My role has nothing to do with me believing serp or really my kaempfer read.I did not see this. >_> I do not delete this part from my post, in case MW slipped and someone else instructed him to make an excuse. (Still the least likely explanation from the three.)TOWN READS (in order of most town read to least town read)Hmmm......
shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town(No, Sub, this is not the time for softing either. Get it together.)
In case MW is Town, I make no comment here. Even though I am very tempted.Sub is never low key as scum.I am never low key as Town either. Ask Jonny boi (JCJ).~TOWN READS
submachine- is doing submachine stuff. i expect him to be slightly more low key as scum.
Rob- Im on the rob wouldnt be that stupid as scum bandwagonSub is never low key as scum.I do think your correct on sub, and i would like to remove him at this time from my town readsThis is literally how this conversation was, without any skips.
It didn't take much convincing, yet Link has been also saying rob would do the same thing if he was scum, but rob stayed in MW's townreads. Maybe it's because this time Link directly spoke to MW, and not to everyone. It cannot be that MW just trusts Linkcat enough to take his word, because Link was not on his read list. But let's break down the options.I do not know what MW pays attention to, who he trusts, if he would sheep, or if he can be intimidated so easily, so I am keeping all possibilities open. Though I do hope he clarifies.
- MW is Town:
- MW felt intimidated that Link spoke to him directly, so quickly changed his opinion. Sheeping would be a town trait.
- MW may not trust Link, but believes his judgment about other players. Link spoke to him directly, so he caught this message, but he missed Link's similar anti-thesis about rob (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297004/#msg1297004), where Link says rob would be capable to do the same thing as Mafia.
- Linkcat reminded MW something else with his comment, which MW didn't elaborate. Whether MW disagrees with Link's view on rob or just ignores it, is unknown.
- MW is Mafia, Link is Town: MW changed his opinion quickly, because the readlist was fake. If Mafia can justify townreading less Town players, they would take the chance. It makes lynching them later easier. But just as suddenly voting on someone who a person has townread the whole game, this sudden switch is also suspicious.
- MW is Mafia, Link is Mafia: Almost the same as above, except MW felt like Link was suggesting him to change his play. It would make sense too for Link to command other mafia if he was one.
edit:nHis next readlist reveals he actually put rob back too. Though it feels like only because he revealed Fate Egg, and only after he revealed Fate Egg.
Rob (hes fate egg. it took long enough. Could be wrong but i dont think that doesnt mean hes not mafia)I haven't responded to the Deja Vu revelation yet, but I trust their word for it. No counterclaims, that should be enough. Using Psion to check them is a waste of a night.Text is "DejaVu:moe,serp"Well, this is as close as mechanically confirmed for me, since there's no way mafia risks 2 of their players to hard claim DejaVu. Someone do check them with Psion or even Endow for that matter, but it is not urgent in my opinion.
And endow... is not really worth it. We already know Mafia can also become Deja Vu, so the only thing a Crusader can gain is chat.
@Calindu: You have been previously upset about the idea to let the fate of Town rest in the hands of only 2 people. What is your opinion about Linkcat taking control of the game?vNot arguably, ian did the same thing as rob 2 mafias ago, yet he calls it a bad decision here. It looks like subtle shade throwing.
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I don't think he's mafia.n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.A HUGE caveat here is that Link is a notoriously difficult read for me, and we have a fairly colorful history of interactions in games we both participate.I'm not sure how to read linkcat just yet but I agree with the reasoning behind it.Linkcat - I am really unsure how to read him,I have yet to read anyone who has a grasp on Link. Until then, I draw the conclusion that Linkcat is unreadable. This is the point where Town has to rely on power roles.And now we have come to this.I decided not to continue this train of thought. Kae, MW, and shock further discussed this, and while they left it ambiguous, I find it better to keep it ambiguous.http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297036/#msg1297036
Shockcannon, after only one night, is certain kaempfer is Town. We had foreshadowing during Night 0.There's a high probability kaempfer13 is involved with my plans for tonight.
Soon after shock's latter post, we have this:i agree with shocks last message
This is to be continued. I need to elaborate why this ended up as confusing.You mentioned RQs, I'm not seeing any RQs. You did mention you would only do them when discussion dies down, so that's okay. In total, I'm just seeing a lot of I will statements from him, but he's not backing them up.Fair points, mostly an issue with available time. Right now, my highest priority is to catch up with my full analysis, but I am quite far behind, so I might drop it at one point.More later, too many people are posting.I'm still waiting for the strategies.Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust.You're not dead yet, follow your own advice?I am confused about several things, but I am too afraid to ask, and honestly, I don't even know where to start.Your argument is invalid. I want all the questions. Questions left unanswered can sometimes tell more than the answers themselves would.I see more people addressed me, but do excuse me if I only respond to them tomorrow. :-XPlease do, that may very well lift most suspicion. You're only standing here on the list because you're consistently failing to follow up.
The RQS is mostly planned to spark conversation, with added hope it gives useful insight. Spoiler: My question will be, how would you behave if you were Mafia, and can you show an example of it? Anyone who wants can answer it right away.
And I did not continue the strategy list, because nobody responded to it, and eventually I forgot about it. Looking back, I was not too far from finishing it.Some roles come off as utterly useless to me. Ghost of the Past and Adrenaline for example. I still need to think of a more elaborate strategy than single-targeting. Wider strategies is where success is at. It doesn't help that it's not guaranteed for a role to be Town's, or in the game.
- Crusader should be used for "Psion" purposes, rather than waiting for someone to reveal GN. (Especially now.) Angels are your best bet, but Angels would never claim, so pick someone who would never claim.
- Vultures should grab some of that fallen GN booty, but it would be a surprising development if a less notable player secretly grabbed an Otyugh. It could throw a wrench in Mafia's plan during endgame, but strictly during endgame.
- Any other shenanigans I can think of should come naturally. (Keep talking if you die as Phoenix, if you are Frozen ask for Adrenaline, do not brazenly ask for Momentum because that can give away your role, etc.)
I have a wild theory about Linkcat's role that would explain his behavior if he was Town. I do not want to openly discuss it, but I am looking for a sign from Link. @Link: Are you what I think you are? Wink wink.
Still only Page 26... It felt like 39 pages. I am posting a preview again to take a break.
@Calindu: You have been previously upset about the idea to let the fate of Town rest in the hands of only 2 people. What is your opinion about Linkcat taking control of the game?I am interested in this response as well.
And I did not continue the strategy list, because nobody responded to it, and eventually I forgot about it. Looking back, I was not too far from finishing it.Can agree on Crusader.
- Crusader should be used for "Psion" purposes, rather than waiting for someone to reveal GN. (Especially now.) Angels are your best bet, but Angels would never claim, so pick someone who would never claim.
- Vultures should grab some of that fallen GN booty, but it would be a surprising development if a less notable player secretly grabbed an Otyugh. It could throw a wrench in Mafia's plan during endgame, but strictly during endgame.
- Any other shenanigans I can think of should come naturally. (Keep talking if you die as Phoenix, if you are Frozen ask for Adrenaline, do not brazenly ask for Momentum because that can give away your role, etc.)
Some roles come off as utterly useless to me. Ghost of the Past and Adrenaline for example. I still need to think of a more elaborate strategy than single-targeting. Wider strategies is where success is at. It doesn't help that it's not guaranteed for a role to be Town's, or in the game.
Vulture part feels self-evident, but does not hurt to point out regardless.
Green Nymph:
@SubNoted.
Regarding adrenaline, if someone has nothing better in mind, they can keep targeting a potential town Graboid/Shrieker until they Evolve/Unburrow.
Note Note: there is no guarantee town has adrenaline capability... at this point...... But that is a GREAT use idea for it, TorB
The RQS is mostly planned to spark conversation, with added hope it gives useful insight. Spoiler: My question will be, how would you behave if you were Mafia, and can you show an example of it? Anyone who wants can answer it right away.Answering questions is always fun:
I have no examples of being mafia since I am not and never have been mafia. Keep throwing dirt until it sticks on a town seems like the most evident way for me to remain myself as mafia. The clinch is how to avoid dirt sticking on other mafia.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 26, 2020, 09:52:53 am
Also is there a reason you paired Annele shockcannon?Chummy, buddy, friendly, name it however you want.
I wasnt really trying to be chummy (that means friendly, right?), with you, just rob did sth so weird I suddenly saw some of the same things you did earlier as possibility.
I had a hunch on shockcannon and Annele sharing the same alignment.
For the other pairing, I will also clarify for everyone:
andretimpa turned the lynch vote into a draw and was eager to vote with Linkcat on Annele instead. He mentioned he did not suspect Linkcat to be mafia.
I suspect Link and rob share the same alignment, potentially andre as well.
Problem is, too many Linkcat voters seemed to vote for a reason different from suspecting him to be scum.
I can trust my initial gut instinct, trust shock and put rob and Link both as mafia.
Or I can trust Linkcat and go with Annele and/or shock. Given this post:
2/5 votes on me are confirmed town, (thanks guys) so that means there's 1-2 mafia in Annele, kaempfer, and shock.I wanted your reasoning on why the 1-2 were Annele and/or shockcannon.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 10:09:21 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 26, 2020, 10:12:22 am
andretimpa, however, has no idea wtf is going on. In that situation.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 10:13:39 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 26, 2020, 10:16:52 am
Quite frankly I dont share the impression that Annele and shockcannon should be paired. annele voted Link because I called her out on not voting her biggest scumread and then couldnt be around for deadline. I dont think her vote itself is alignment indicative. shockcannon mostly just wanted to vote with the people that he thinks are most likely town.It's how hard shock was trying not to let Annele's lynch count get the lead that is the important part here.
Post by: Calindu on May 26, 2020, 10:43:52 am
I saw the post about switching to Annele, but I didn't believe it was a good idea so I just didn't switch. I also didn't feel like lynching rob or Link were good ideas at that point so I just stayed on Andre.
@Calindu: You have been previously upset about the idea to let the fate of Town rest in the hands of only 2 people. What is your opinion about Linkcat taking control of the game?
I wasn't upset about letting someone leading town or anything like that, I was upset at the idea that you suggested two people are allowed to do something completely out of line and reeking of scum and go unpunished. It is fairly normal for more vocal people to take control of the game, we just have to recognise when it's the work of a mafia member.
I'm not sure what I've stated and what I haven't, but I have Annele at n+ right now.
Yet you pushed for Annele to be lynched. I know it was partly to save yourself, but there were other viable options, probably lower than n+ to choose, right?
Here's my updated read list though, won't try to go through everything I missed and make a quote wall.
vv
serp, moe
v
Sub - I can actually confidently say that I consider Sub town now, his actions all seem to make sense, his ideas are clear and reason well into my head
TorB - Nothing changed here for me, he still takes the same methodical approach to things
MW - Nothing changed here either
n+
kae - My gut feeling was telling me that kae would be around n- last night, however, when reading his posts, it actually seems like he's just really confused and can't really make sense of what's happening
andre - He was suspicious to me before EoD, but I actually think his actions make more sense as town now. He chose to go for Annele instead of simply hammering Linkcat, with a good excuse too, at the end. I don't think Link/andre is w/w so it makes more sense for andre to be v
n
Annele - I don't personally town lean her, but I'm also very confused why is she considered scum by so many
kdz - Not much to analyse, his read list is mostly town leans or neutrals
DC - seems fairly normal to me tbh
n-
shock - Not sure about shock, I don't like his style of play, so I'm always inclined to believe, at least a little bit, that he's mafia.
ian - Don't like the random vote switches and blindly trusting rob at EoD
Ge0 - Seems fairly normal for someone that didn't play mafia for a long time, the only thing I don't like is that I'm not sure if he's just trying to buddy someone with the hard read on Annele or he actually believes that
w
rob - His actions just didn't make sense to me when reading, also mentioned by serp and kae.
Link - Gut feeling mostly, I feel he plays very similar to the way he played in Mafia 71, with constantly switching around, whereas he played a much more controlled game in Mafia 72, might be because that game was easy to solve?
ww
The rob/Link interaction is also very strange, I think there's little to no chance they are w/w, but I also think they are fully capable of pulling that off. At the same time, rob really tried to save Link at EoD, I don't think that actually happens if rob is w and Link is v, so I think the most likely option is Link w and rob v.
Now, I'm actually very confused about the game, this read list, even though I just made it, actually makes 0 sense to me now that I look at it. I really need to see a mafia flip to wrap my head around things.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 26, 2020, 10:45:36 am
Now Imma follow in shock's shoes and start adopting this shade (and only this shade) of red. It doesn't mean anything now, but I may use it when I want to mean something. Who knows.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 26, 2020, 10:46:17 am
1) My vote switches weren't random.
2) rob is currently my strongest town read after the deja vu pair
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 26, 2020, 10:47:36 am
Post by: PlayerOa on May 26, 2020, 02:30:20 pm
We can probably all agree on the fact that possible extensions of the day exists is not due to delaying for the sake of delaying. Even after giving an extra hour to play with, there were no signs of players coming close to a consensus, and the day ended up being hardcapped at a certain time anyway. The only difference was that the deadline was pushed 1 hour (or in this case, 3 hours).
This is why, starting from the next day phase, the following rules come into play:
- Deadline will, just like in Mafia 72, be hardcapped at exactly 30 minutes after day's end if voting still is ongoing, i.e. there has been less than 5 minutes since last vote
- A fixed voting tally without the poster casting a vote IS NOT counted as a vote, and the timer will run from the last actual vote. No exceptions
- A bump of the voting tally without the poster casting a vote IS NOT counted as a vote, and the timer will run from the last actual vote. No exceptions
Is this clear enough? Please abide by these new rules, to make the game as pleasant as possible for everybody.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 26, 2020, 02:33:36 pm
The issue with this is it's a bit vague. Maybe just make it so back-to-back votes by the same player just won't count. You won't be going into disputes like "but I really wanted to change my vote, I wasn't time wasting"
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 26, 2020, 02:34:03 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 02:34:45 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 26, 2020, 02:38:50 pm
Additionally, if Linkcat is town, that means to me that almost for certain Annele and Andretimpa are also town. Because why would Mafia let one of their own die when it was so easy to just vote Link. The only one to switch to Link at a later time was moe, who everyone considers town. Even when Annele or Andre we’re about to take the lead we didn’t see anyone switch over to Linkcat to save Annele or andre. The only scenario in my mind where Linkcat can be town and Annele be a mafia, is if Annele, kaempf, and myself are all mafia as well, and we ran out of mafia buddies to help save our teammate.
As for Andre, this guy was about to die before the day extension, after the day extension, and during the final moments of voting. Yet, we really didn’t any vote shifting to save him that we would expect to see. The only i even switched off Andre to vote for Linkcat was because serprex finally switched. And everyone regards him as confirmed town. So the idea that anyone voting for Linkcat is a mafia buddy with Andre would mean that they really didn’t care to make a move before the last possible second, and that they were willing to rely on a very stubborn confirmed town to be their only chance at saving Andre, which sounds like a terrible plan to me.
To summarize: is Linkcat mafia? I think so, but if Linkcat is NOT mafia, then that to me confirms Annele and Andre as town as well.
WHICH IS WHY WE HAD SO MUCH TO GAIN BY LYNCHING LINKCAT!!!!! And for Rob who always complains about reasoning for lunching, my main reason for voting Linkcat is that I THINK HE’S MAFIA AS IVE SHOWN IN MULTIPLE POSTS. I also think you’re mafia as I’ve also stated multiple times which is why I don’t give crap about anything you say to me. Unlike other town, I’m not about to lose this game to poorly crafted distractions and deflections.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 26, 2020, 02:42:53 pm
"A player casting back-to-back votes with the only intention of extending the timer, WILL NOT reset the timer"It originally had something like organizer's discretion in it.
The issue with this is it's a bit vague. Maybe just make it so back-to-back votes by the same player just won't count. You won't be going into disputes like "but I really wanted to change my vote, I wasn't time wasting"
Going into specific counter-rulings like these seems like something you can circumvent. Back-to-back votes would cause the first to reset the timer, but by the time the second is cast the first one is rendered invalid in terms of resetting the timer. What is the minimal allowed time gap for them to be back-to-back votes? These kinds of issues.
If you want to counteract it, you'll just have to be a strict mod about it and use the discretion clause. People will always try to find loopholes.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 26, 2020, 02:48:22 pm
"A player casting back-to-back votes with the only intention of extending the timer, WILL NOT reset the timer"
The previous post will be updated accordingly.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 02:52:00 pm
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 03:12:17 pm
-snip-
This doesnt seem to be the case however.
Correct, not the case
I'm playing with shock because he's my towniest read which'll play with me
ofc, even moe isn't playing with me, so maybe I have it all wrong & the team is shock,annele,kdz,cal
But you're telling me mafia controlled 6-7 votes & we could only get no lynch?
If shock's scum I accept loss
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 03:17:26 pm
Never suggested anything of the sort; I have a strong townlean on shock which you can see consistently through all my posts concerning him, although i suppose I never bothered mentioning my reasons for it :P
But you're telling me mafia controlled 6-7 votes & we could only get no lynch?
If shock's scum I accept loss
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 03:19:16 pm
Which gives us shock's Linkcat bait which encourages Cal to continue grasping for a bloc that sympathizes with a readlist holding Linkcat as scummy
Post by: Calindu on May 26, 2020, 03:54:10 pm
Which gives us shock's Linkcat bait which encourages Cal to continue grasping for a bloc that sympathizes with a readlist holding Linkcat as scummy
You kind of lost me here, don't understand what you really mean, care to explain?
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 04:01:55 pm
Which gives us shock's Linkcat bait which encourages Cal to continue grasping for a bloc that sympathizes with a readlist holding Linkcat as scummy
You kind of lost me here, don't understand what you really mean, care to explain?
You're already dead
Post by: Linkcat on May 26, 2020, 04:23:22 pm
Or to put on my tinfoil hat: Linkcat and rob77dp both being mafia is why Linkcat would first want to connect rob's alignment to andretimpa and then lynch andretimpa flipping town.
andretimpa, however, has no idea wtf is going on. In that situation.
Andre flipping town wouldn't even make rob look good.
I'm not sure what I've stated and what I haven't, but I have Annele at n+ right now.Yet you pushed for Annele to be lynched. I know it was partly to save yourself, but there were other viable options, probably lower than n+ to choose, right?
Like I said it was EoD, not everyone was online, and there was no better option than rob, who I didn't want to lynch at that point. Also, if rob/andre were town then Annele fit in most worlds.
Re: playstyle
In 72 I skimmed like half the game, this time it's been so long since the last mafia that I put all my energy into it.
Your readslist indeed makes zero sense, try again.
I'm adding you to the list of people that voted andre with intent to kill.
Sub asking for RQS this late into Day 1/Night 1 feels for fluff than ever but idk. Typical Sub but filling the chat with more unnecessary stuff makes me think Δ- of him.
Now Imma follow in shock's shoes and start adopting this shade (and only this shade) of red. It doesn't mean anything now, but I may use it when I want to mean something. Who knows.
He only shared because someone asked him to.
ofc, even moe isn't playing with me, so maybe I have it all wrong & the team is shock,annele,kdz,cal
But you're telling me mafia controlled 6-7 votes & we could only get no lynch?
Now that's a team I can get behind, still think Annele/kaempfer over shock though.
They only got No Lynch because all the sane town knew that killing me was a bad idea.
By all means Linkcat should have been dead; the last legal vote according to official rules was putting him in a 7 wagon size lead and before that plenty of juggling happened without changing him being in the lead. That way we would know where we're at now.
The intent of the extension rule is to let votes play out to their natural conclusion without being stopped prematurely by an arbitrary time limit, while still keeping the EoD time pressure. Unfortunately, this happened anyway. Me being ahead of andre 7-5 was clearly not the desired spread by all active players, judging by the final vote count. A couple minutes earlier and I would have still been in the lead with a different spread. A couple minutes later and Annele would be, a few minutes after that and who knows, but I find it very likely that Annele being lynched would have been the result if settled on, or at best a tie still, and I am as upset about that as anybody is about me not being lynched. It's already sad enough that dd lost 71 because he was 6 seconds late or whatever. This wasn't nearly as bad, and I have no issues with Oa's rulings, but as an out of game note I will be changing the extension rule in the future to make it clearer and more effective for both the players and the host.
Now, if there is a living Otyugh, please nom Annele so we can have Day 2 and not Day 1 Part 2: Battle Tendency.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 26, 2020, 05:59:43 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 26, 2020, 06:20:34 pm
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 06:33:28 pm
Ok, I dont feel like stressing myself out now, so dont expect the lynchlog before tomorrow 10 GMT, if you want it from me. i hope you're not all waiting for me on that until you start doing things. There's plenty of things to talk about.
Town's revealed enough of their plans. I think it's scum's turn to speak. Tell us more about cal/annele/kdz/dc
Post by: Submachine on May 26, 2020, 09:28:22 pm
Q1: How would you play if you were mafia?
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Q3: If not, can you provide the latest game when you were mafia?
I’ll start.
A1: I would make sure it’s not a carbon copy of a mafia playstyle that I’ve used before, unless I’m fairly sure everyone forgot about it. I would focus a lot on finding roles, and I would generally play it safe. Not taking any risks until absolutely necessary.
A2-3: 70 was like this. I laid low, hunted for GN, and obeyed the crowd to not raise any attention. I also made fairly sure to strike the Antlion when he was vulnerable (though this lead to my demise because rolez >_<).
Two people already answered it, TorB’s seemed legit, Link answered with Mafia 73. The latter answer is as unreadable as a book in the fifth dimension for a stickman. (LET ME READ YOU!)
@DC: This is the first time I actually ask my RQS. I only gave a quick preview to TorB previously. You can read back the context.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 26, 2020, 11:15:29 pm
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Q3: If not, can you provide the latest game when you were mafia?
Heck im bored so ill answer too. Dont plan on posting much during night.
A1: I would try to play as normal as possible. So i would be a bad mafia
A2: No
A3: No, never played as mafia.
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 11:31:57 pm
It depends on the roles. For the sake of argument we'll say me & one of my allies both rolled Oty. Yeah, great scum roles, this is great, not to mention it gets better when we troll worldwideqq & he flips GN. So next I risk MK to fake claim deja with my fellow oty. What if there's real dejas you ask? YOLO. As confirmed town I'm free to play scummy under the guise of pressuring town. So I'd totally fluster one of the better players around to keep him annoyed that town is throwing the game. Meanwhile I'd ally with the craziest player in the group in order to make people have to risk brain damage from confirmed town telling them to play with this player. Also it'd mean I'd have a perfect reason to bandwagon on the towniest players, come D2 nobody has any clue what's going on. Everyone skipped checking me & my ally's deja claim because NK is supposed to prove it. We're both still alive. No problem, mafia obviously wanted to get fate egg of the table when they have the lead off the GN kill & no lynch. Next night we still don't go, but it makes sense, towny player was protected night before, this night the towny player we failed to bandwagon goes down. It isn't until D4 that people are getting suspicious. By now the roles are coming out though, who needs to kill vanilla players who keep trolling the rest of town?
Accept it sub, you've already lost if I'm scum. So you'll just have to townread me as your only hope. Only it's hopeless, because you've already lost
Post by: Annele on May 26, 2020, 11:46:42 pm
Now, if there is a living Otyugh, please nom Annele so we can have Day 2 and not Day 1 Part 2: Battle Tendency.
I'm not sure how serious this suggestion is, but does anyone else actually think another oty should take matters into their own hands n1? For me or any of the other failed lynches?
Q1: How would you play if you were mafia?
I'd try not to rock the boat, and excuse any misplay on being inexperienced.
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Whatever the last mafia I was in that was my strategy; I tried to just follow what other people were saying and based my reads on that. That lead to me accidentally landing the finishing blow on a fellow mafia and getting confirmed town for a while lol
Post by: serprex on May 26, 2020, 11:49:23 pm
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I'm not sure how serious this suggestion is, but does anyone else actually think another oty should take matters into their own hands n1? For me or any of the other failed lynches?
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Yes, they should nom Linkcat to finish what Oa wouldn't
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 12:22:14 am
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I'm not sure how serious this suggestion is, but does anyone else actually think another oty should take matters into their own hands n1? For me or any of the other failed lynches?
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Yes, they should nom Linkcat to finish what Oa wouldn't
+1
Post by: andretimpa on May 27, 2020, 01:43:34 am
I'm currently rereading D1 in light of EOD and will post any conclusions later.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 01:58:58 am
serprex
moehrpi
rob77dp
Linkcat
Submachine
These 5 players are always town, don't lynch them even in late game unless something truly revelatory happens. Likely the next 5 Nightkills.
iancudorinmarian
andretimpa
These 2 players attempted to save me despite having a 100% free pass to see me lynched without suspicion. Very unlikely mafia, especially if Annele flips scum.
MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef
Ge0metry v1.2
These 3 players are 90% town, only consider them if sus people keep flipping town and you start running out of possible candidates, except Ge0 who can only be mafia if Annele flips town.
Annele
kaempfer13
shockcannon
These 3 players contain 1-2 mafia.
Calindu
killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals
The rest of the mafia are most likely hiding in here. If there's a deep wolf I'd say torb since he didn't actually have to commit to a vote.
Night actions:
Otyugh - Target Annele. Yes Annele I'm serious, if you happen to be town Otyugh please eat shock or kaempfer.
Other Offensive Roles - Target Annele/shock/kaempfer
Golden Nymph - Target kdz/DC
Psion - Serp/moe worth a check, game is pretty much solved already so we won't miss the ability use.
Guardian Angle - Target me
Dragonfly/Firefly Queen - Also target me
Iridium Warden - Target one of the 5 confirmed town
Anubis/Amber Nymph - Target rob
Green Nymph - target Torb
Crusader - Target one of the 6 likely mafia
Vulture - Target w3
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 02:18:56 am
Psion torb. Torb, you're voting tomorrow
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 02:36:16 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 03:22:11 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 03:26:56 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 03:34:37 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 03:54:05 am
Rob, do you agree with my assessment?Was getting to that, but to expedite - in a word, yes. There are parts that are incongruous with where my reads were last I actual took breaths and read the player list. But again that isn't uncommon to have new things coming to light or new activity leading to doubting a prior supposition.
I _had_ been reading kae as town, but as I'm getting to shortly he's trending down quickly. Closer to where you have him.
timpa I scum-read for quite a while but the EOD1 just doesn't look to fit scum!timpa -- both how he played it and how his wagon worked/didn't work.
Your lower 3 groups of 3, are off fro how I see things but now so far off. That is, I'm still uncertain about Ge0 but getting there, his low activity but general OK sense in some of what he has posted (that is, how it fits a lost town narrative) are there. I think it is most likely something like 3/4 of the mafia are in your last 6... the game is just _never_ that easy in my experience. If it is just 1 in the Annele/kae/shock group your'e saying it is ALL of the last trio of Cal/kills/DC?? I think the POE of six is really solid though there.
That's my cuff take on it.
Recap of the current state of the game and suggested Night actions:
serprex
moehrpi
rob77dp
Linkcat
Submachine
These 5 players are always town, don't lynch them even in late game unless something truly revelatory happens. Likely the next 5 Nightkills.
iancudorinmarian
andretimpa
These 2 players attempted to save me despite having a 100% free pass to see me lynched without suspicion. Very unlikely mafia, especially if Annele flips scum.
MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef
Ge0metry v1.2
These 3 players are 90% town, only consider them if sus people keep flipping town and you start running out of possible candidates, except Ge0 who can only be mafia if Annele flips town.
Annele
kaempfer13
shockcannon
These 3 players contain 1-2 mafia.
Calindu
killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals
The rest of the mafia are most likely hiding in here. If there's a deep wolf I'd say torb since he didn't actually have to commit to a vote.
Night actions:
Otyugh - Target Annele. Yes Annele I'm serious, if you happen to be town Otyugh please eat shock or kaempfer.
Other Offensive Roles - Target Annele/shock/kaempfer
Golden Nymph - Target kdz/DC
Psion - Serp/moe worth a check, game is pretty much solved already so we won't miss the ability use.
Guardian Angle - Target me
Dragonfly/Firefly Queen - Also target me
Iridium Warden - Target one of the 5 confirmed town
Anubis/Amber Nymph - Target rob
Green Nymph - target Torb
Crusader - Target one of the 6 likely mafia
Vulture - Target w3
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:00:22 am
SOrry, meant to SPOILER you reads list on my post... yurgh.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:03:48 am
Something doesn't make sense in a cognitive sense on this from kae.@kaempfer13timpa self pressing onto Linkcat, but then taking the time to pick Annele over Linkcat when he roughly caught up with the actual votecount probably means that he isnt aligned with either of them and he probably could have just lynched Linkcat and be done with it as scum, so I maintain my townlean.
I'd like to read a post on thoughts about andretimpa/Linkcat alignment as well as Annele/shockcannon. Trying to be chummy with me was a major red flag, but if you can post my thoughts before I type them out, I might be more inclined to put you as town.Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll GraboidI get to dig up dirt all day long, it's really not so bad here.
I still have my doubts wrt to Linkcat; I have decentish townreads of everyone on his train (except Annele not sure about her, but she wasnt around for EoD frenzy and i dont really scumread her either), so I actually still think its possible that he's scum and his team couldnt risk saving him without potentially outing themselves as the votes were somewhat volatile and if Linkcat had been lynched as scum everyone voting for counterwagons at EoD would be watched more closely.
I'll have another look at Annele/shockcannon, but so far I'm feeling pretty neutral towards Annele and townlean shockcannon for different reasons now.
What I mean is, he is townreading timpa and thinks he isn't aligned with either of Link / Annele --- so he scum-reads both Link Annele right? Keep reading and alright yeah a scum-read on likely-town-Link but then goes into weird convoluted detail about Annele as a townread in a group yet singled out as not sure on her but then about her EOD absence then yeah not scumreading her?? Following paragraph is about looking into Annele/shock yet he is now neurtral on Annele and town on shock... what are you looking into? What are these different reasons? How are you getting to that while also getting to or not the lynchlog (Votecount analysis?)... ? Is it getting hard to WIM-it-up in the scum-chat? :-/ You had me quite fooled if your a wolf Kae, which is seeming more and more likely.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:06:09 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:07:53 am
Tell me more about the DC scum reads? I've seen him play a few times, and he self-deprecates a lot more than is valid - he is better than he pretends to think he is. WHat do you see on him to both have him hard-ish scum (what did I miss or skim over)?
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 04:13:38 am
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 04:15:56 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:18:15 am
Well this night is being uneventful, and I’m on phone (so no quoting and walling), so it’s time to bring out1. I play as if I'm town. I call wolfy activity - from any player - out as being suspect. I give town cred for things I think are town-like when I'm playing as town. I try to pretend like I don't know I'm a wolf, except where it matters as the win-con of reaching parity in some way.the beltthat RQS (forgot what it stands for) I foreshadowed.
Q1: How would you play if you were mafia?
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Q3: If not, can you provide the latest game when you were mafia?
I’ll start.
A1: I would make sure it’s not a carbon copy of a mafia playstyle that I’ve used before, unless I’m fairly sure everyone forgot about it. I would focus a lot on finding roles, and I would generally play it safe. Not taking any risks until absolutely necessary.
A2-3: 70 was like this. I laid low, hunted for GN, and obeyed the crowd to not raise any attention. I also made fairly sure to strike the Antlion when he was vulnerable (though this lead to my demise because rolez >_<).
Two people already answered it, TorB’s seemed legit, Link answered with Mafia 73. The latter answer is as unreadable as a book in the fifth dimension for a stickman. (LET ME READ YOU!)
@DC: This is the first time I actually ask my RQS. I only gave a quick preview to TorB previously. You can read back the context.
2. Every time I've been mafia. I don't recall the mafia game #, but I have been scum here before (once in a setup that allowed for out-of-thread shenanigans and involved a mass role claim that I refused to partake in no matter m yalignment but it drew me heat and since I was scum it was a Right But For The Wrong Reasons situation I say) on a team that I think made a clean sweep victory (timpa, myself, ?JCJ?, been a while so I lost the memory).
3. I think the last time I rolled mafia was on MU (mafiauniverse.com) This One? (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/6563-BYOR-The-9-Circles-of-Hell)
Sub, can you go over Link's EOD1 summary and a few N1 things that HAVE been posted ina slow night phase to give some takes and reads? I even did your RQS (Random Question Sheet, I think).
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:26:54 am
/never-forget-MU-Champs-S3-G5, don't coast too early.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:33:29 am
I will be sending sorted list of my reads to moe in case of NK. Like I said, I've said enough tonight. I'll only be shitposting & correcting LinkcatGet him to do the same, _JUST_ in case eh.
Bonus comment as I multi-post during my free time and the thread sleeps: EOD1 sure feels like kae might have been in scum-chat as things were ratcheting up (didn't post much in thread but his icon had him as signed in) then suddenly he question my CFD onto Annele out of the blue... a bit in tune enought with the thread to know it was a sudden unusual move (it was, on purpose) but not felt really out of place with his activity (I recall pinging him to this effect a tad at the time even). In a re-read he is just basically not there but I recall his icon being green then when I move to Annele suddenly BANG he posts questioning it but I couldn't get him to commit to a solid explained town-read on here in that moment. Kae looking worse and worse as I ruminate things.
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 04:49:27 am
Fact: kaempf brought 4/5 votes against Linkcat. Annele only brought one
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 04:55:13 am
Tell me more about the DC scum reads? I've seen him play a few times, and he self-deprecates a lot more than is valid - he is better than he pretends to think he is.
So here's my justification, the vast majority of games I've stuck around in and racked my MoM points from was large based off an older era of Mafia in these forums... one where we shit talked the dethy, didn't care about balance all that much (old Vulture role, looking at you), didn't read 10 pages every time I came to wake up. I've largely avoided playing in current era mafia mostly for sheer volume and stuff. I'll tell you know this is the truth even though I obviously know this is something you'll try to read from me.
And hence, to answer Sub:
Q1: How would you play if you were mafia?
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Q3: If not, can you provide the latest game when you were mafia?
Q1: See Mafia 70, exactly like that. Yes, even though I was town. I died early so I never really had to cover my ass as town. To reiterate, I did not FoS Mobian because of my role, I FoSed him for NLing. I'd also play exactly like this but with 50% more shitposting. Or really honestly I'll ask my mafia teammates on how to frame my story and readslist and pointing my fingers shit, which cluelessTown!me is just second guessing myself.
Q2: I don't remember, last time I flipped Mafia was a different era.
Q3: Mafia 51 and 61
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 05:13:54 am
I'm not sure what I've stated and what I haven't, but I have Annele at n+ right now.
Yet you pushed for Annele to be lynched. I know it was partly to save yourself, but there were other viable options, probably lower than n+ to choose, right?
I asked the same question but at that point it was 5-2 in favour of Link lynch and from his PoV a n+ beats being lynched himself I think? I don't think Link felt he had to clout to try to push another lynch at EoD
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 05:17:19 am
Look back to top of Cal's read list post and he mentions not switching to Link or rob (as a few people requested at/around/during EOD1) because didn't feel like lynching me or LInk was a good idea. Cal -- give a little background or comment about your staying on timpa because of not liking a rob or Link lynch when we are you top two suspects but yet not w/w together. I'm confused by you essentially stating you didn't want to lynch your top two scumreads??
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2020, 05:24:43 am
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 05:29:21 am
If there's actually a town otyugh out there who is thinking of randomly devouring tonight, please let me know ASAP so I can reveal my role before you do something stupid.
Alternatively, how do you feel about them devouring Calindu instead of our bloc?
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 05:33:55 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 05:42:07 am
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 05:42:55 am
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2020, 05:55:43 am
If there's actually a town otyugh out there who is thinking of randomly devouring tonight, please let me know ASAP so I can reveal my role before you do something stupid.
Alternatively, how do you feel about them devouring Calindu instead of our bloc?
It doesn't matter who is targeted. We can't let more otyughs be running loose and killing off players before they can share their info.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 06:00:44 am
@Linky, what say you about me aiming kdz instead, seeing as you binned us together
dc is shitposting a GN claimI was thinking he meant turning kdz into kfc like that.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 06:02:12 am
shock, they're quite likely to be lunching a scum... What info are you hot to collect from the bag guys?If there's actually a town otyugh out there who is thinking of randomly devouring tonight, please let me know ASAP so I can reveal my role before you do something stupid.
Alternatively, how do you feel about them devouring Calindu instead of our bloc?
It doesn't matter who is targeted. We can't let more otyughs be running loose and killing off players before they can share their info.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 06:05:11 am
Post by: killsdazombies on May 27, 2020, 06:11:46 am
Again, I come after a great length of time between posts. After Wednesday I should have a lot more time for the game, assuming I make it that far of course. Ill start in order of how fun it is to discuss
Subs RQS
Q1: How would you play if you were mafia?
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Q3: If not, can you provide the latest game when you were mafia?
1: My play pattern in mafia is much different from when I last played on the forums. Typically, I play mafia and town in a very similar fashion (This is all IRL stuff) First, I usually open with a nice "If you're mafia and you know it clap your hands!" and clap as loudly as I can, and be obnoxiously bloodthirsty. Paint yourself as so outlandishly wolf its obviously a joke. The nice thing about living in that chaotic territory is it renders you effectively immune to a NK since the mafia think they can flip you in a lynch later, but also you can usually skirt a lynching if you just cut the crap. Just meme and wait until you really want to act. Its really just a waiting game until you can offer something of value, no sense offering some token suspicions and then getting stabbed because you said a jumpy mafia members name. Though admittedly I don't play with a lot of strong mafia players, maybe like, 20 of the 100 or so.
2: I doubt it, my style of play has changed a lot in the past few years, and I haven't played a mafia game in text in over 3 years? I think. I'm a little fuzzy on the details.
3: Again, I cannot. I dont even know the last time I played as mafia, and even if I did, I dont think it would reflect how I would play if I were mafia.
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Q3: If not, can you provide the latest game when you were mafia?
1: My play pattern in mafia is much different from when I last played on the forums. Typically, I play mafia and town in a very similar fashion (This is all IRL stuff) First, I usually open with a nice "If you're mafia and you know it clap your hands!" and clap as loudly as I can, and be obnoxiously bloodthirsty. Paint yourself as so outlandishly wolf its obviously a joke. The nice thing about living in that chaotic territory is it renders you effectively immune to a NK since the mafia think they can flip you in a lynch later, but also you can usually skirt a lynching if you just cut the crap. Just meme and wait until you really want to act. Its really just a waiting game until you can offer something of value, no sense offering some token suspicions and then getting stabbed because you said a jumpy mafia members name. Though admittedly I don't play with a lot of strong mafia players, maybe like, 20 of the 100 or so.
2: I doubt it, my style of play has changed a lot in the past few years, and I haven't played a mafia game in text in over 3 years? I think. I'm a little fuzzy on the details.
3: Again, I cannot. I dont even know the last time I played as mafia, and even if I did, I dont think it would reflect how I would play if I were mafia.
General notes on Last EoD
I logged on late the other day, saw the 25 pages of messages and didn't really expect them to all be before EoD. It looked chaotic, and I apologize I mistimed my day and wasn't able to make it on for the vote I said I was going to make. For the record, Monday I do my shopping and lawn-care for myself and some other family members, plus I stream that day. In fact, you can account for the entire 2 hours before EoD and the entire mess that was EoD with vods.
As for actual EoD, I propose a few notes. First, I could have very easily voted and killed any of the 3(4 if you count the brief stint rob had on the list) players, they were all within 1 vote for most of the EoD. Second, not voting is just as scummy as being the nail in the coffin that kills a town (at least in my eyes.) Even If I managed to make it on that day I don't think I would have voted, for a lot of reasons.
I didnt want to draw attention to myself from the rest of the town by being the last to vote on a town early, when I'm still very much so on the edge about all three players on the block.
I didn't mind a kill on linkcat, because accuracy by volume of post makes these catch ups longer then id like, and ive given up on getting a read on him, but those arent very good reasons to kill a good player.
Then there was ann, who I felt was the most sus on that list, but all of their posts after the rob accusation felt genuine, and I sympathize with another player struggling to maintain activity in this game.
Lastly, there is timpa, who I feel is getting a bit of a piling on. I had some light gut feelings on what they were saying before, but I feel as though that judgement was clouded by the constant "Yea, Timpa very sus".
To top it all off, my activity level is too low to get a valid read on anyone, which is a failing on my part, I know. I assumed this day would end with a random town lynch and that would be that, and then come the next day I could maintain some activity. Obviously, this wasnt the case.
As for actual EoD, I propose a few notes. First, I could have very easily voted and killed any of the 3(4 if you count the brief stint rob had on the list) players, they were all within 1 vote for most of the EoD. Second, not voting is just as scummy as being the nail in the coffin that kills a town (at least in my eyes.) Even If I managed to make it on that day I don't think I would have voted, for a lot of reasons.
I didnt want to draw attention to myself from the rest of the town by being the last to vote on a town early, when I'm still very much so on the edge about all three players on the block.
I didn't mind a kill on linkcat, because accuracy by volume of post makes these catch ups longer then id like, and ive given up on getting a read on him, but those arent very good reasons to kill a good player.
Then there was ann, who I felt was the most sus on that list, but all of their posts after the rob accusation felt genuine, and I sympathize with another player struggling to maintain activity in this game.
Lastly, there is timpa, who I feel is getting a bit of a piling on. I had some light gut feelings on what they were saying before, but I feel as though that judgement was clouded by the constant "Yea, Timpa very sus".
To top it all off, my activity level is too low to get a valid read on anyone, which is a failing on my part, I know. I assumed this day would end with a random town lynch and that would be that, and then come the next day I could maintain some activity. Obviously, this wasnt the case.
More stuff
Most of what I've said in this post comes from the very light skimming I've done. I'm fine with being on the sus list, I understand that my inactivity can be seen as trying to go below the radar. In part that is true, I am leaning on my inactivity in many ways. I don't want to babble in front of the town from a position of little knowledge and set myself up for an early mafia train. I don't know how most of you play anymore, and I don't really know how text based mafia plays either. Most of my reads in person come from pressing people into fast answers, and forcing conversation. Ironically, I myself am the reason why this doesn't work in text. Because I'm simply not there to be questioned or to question.
Here is what I gathered from the EoD stuff
Shock felt very aggressive. It felt like a departure from the chaotic boi to actual get stuff done boi. I don't know if that screams mafia or town to me, I could see myself doing it for either.
Rob/Link A weird alliance I didn't quite expect to spring up. It felt like they were locked in combat before, but it seems more like a dance right now. I'm unsure what it means, but it makes me uneasy.
Kae made a few interesting points I want to mull over before posting any legitimate thoughts, if any happen
Torb has been doing Torb things. My tinfoil hat says that not being able to vote is a pretty nice excuse for mafia, though I'm unsure. My opinion on torb fluctuates by the second.
@DCHere is what I gathered from the EoD stuff
Shock felt very aggressive. It felt like a departure from the chaotic boi to actual get stuff done boi. I don't know if that screams mafia or town to me, I could see myself doing it for either.
Rob/Link A weird alliance I didn't quite expect to spring up. It felt like they were locked in combat before, but it seems more like a dance right now. I'm unsure what it means, but it makes me uneasy.
Kae made a few interesting points I want to mull over before posting any legitimate thoughts, if any happen
Torb has been doing Torb things. My tinfoil hat says that not being able to vote is a pretty nice excuse for mafia, though I'm unsure. My opinion on torb fluctuates by the second.
side note, I remember how much fun the old vulture role was, I think at one point in like, a 30 player game I managed to beat out like 10 votes with 1 as vulture, and then got into a trade fight over who got to keep vulture. Fun times. I'd say I miss it, but man, tilt city.
As a final note, I saw your question after EoD @DC, but it doesn't seem to matter much now. For the record, it was Ann at the time of your post, but I slept on it and it just didn't feel right, hence why I didnt make it a priority to make time to vote. I probably would have posted something on my three ? reads of Timpa, Ann, and MW.
I can't really think of anything else to post, and I have a zoom call tomorrow morning, so I'll be on about noonish EST. Though, i'll stick on until about half past to answer any questions while I'm here for once.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 06:24:38 am
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 06:26:52 am
Post by: killsdazombies on May 27, 2020, 06:30:30 am
Devour kaempfer, not shock
Psion torb. Torb, you're voting tomorrow
Side note, doesn't this like, strictly not work?
"Mind Flayer - ER
Psionic Wave - Target a player. They cannot use their ability this Night. Cannot disable Burrow."
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 06:32:13 am
Psions are a new card Zanz recently added, they look like this:
Whereas Mind Flayer is a water card,
It can be confusing since Mind Flayer has an :aether active
Post by: killsdazombies on May 27, 2020, 06:37:11 am
Post by: killsdazombies on May 27, 2020, 07:11:59 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 07:27:53 am
serprex is hoping I evolve to see the Shrieker role. Dunno if I feel like it, though.
Post by: Calindu on May 27, 2020, 07:51:42 am
Q1: How would you play if you were mafia?
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Q3: If not, can you provide the latest game when you were mafia?
Q1: Try to be active and as helpful as possible, stay out of spotlight and use the extra information I have.
Q2: I tried to play like that in Mafia 72, but I pretty much failed to do that.
Q3: Mafia 72
I would really really love to see some motivation to really put something into it right now N1 from the current likely POE that is town -- such as Cal, kills, and DC who have been somewhat low posters (content posts wise) as well as the scummy-from-content section of Annele, kae, and shock. If you're in those groups and you're town get the engine going and put something out there (if you're scum in that list feel free to be towny and WIM-it-up to put some things out there too).
/never-forget-MU-Champs-S3-G5, don't coast too early.
Nah, I won't put more effort than I'm already putting in, sorry. I spent some time on that readlist, only to be told I'm already dead or that it's bad.
Not posting enough content and not being able to provide info with your role = lynched soon sadly.
Just noticing that Cal's read list N1 has myself and Link as his only wolf reads... with some explanatory follow-up about associative reads of not w/w but yet possibly w/w because capable? Then some things about w/v and v/w from my developing a town-read on link during EOD1. Not sure I followed what he might be even trying to say with it...
Look back to top of Cal's read list post and he mentions not switching to Link or rob (as a few people requested at/around/during EOD1) because didn't feel like lynching me or LInk was a good idea. Cal -- give a little background or comment about your staying on timpa because of not liking a rob or Link lynch when we are you top two suspects but yet not w/w together. I'm confused by you essentially stating you didn't want to lynch your top two scumreads??
Like I said, I'm not sure of my read list, that's just how I see things right now. Also, I couldn't possibly be fully active at EOD1, so I wasn't managing to keep up with all the posts. I felt at that time that lynching you or Link is a bad idea, since I was reading andre as low as you or Link and you two would be way more useful if you were town.
If there's actually a town otyugh out there who is thinking of randomly devouring tonight, please let me know ASAP so I can reveal my role before you do something stupid.
Alternatively, how do you feel about them devouring Calindu instead of our bloc?
Please do, I would be way more useful this way, town sees their whole strategy is bad and will lead nowhere and won't have to spent the whole day lynching me.
Post by: Submachine on May 27, 2020, 08:17:06 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 09:10:38 am
Post by: Annele on May 27, 2020, 09:48:59 am
It feels right to sus a player who does the RQS but has done nothing else this game except things I find scummy... Annele, who do you want to push tomorrow? Maybe you've read the whole thread, maybe not... maybe you can discuss in wolf-chat the answer if you're not caught up? But, who is a suspect you want to push tomorrow??
I'm not sure what you mean by rqs?
At the start of the day I would have said linkcat still, since even though he was less in control at the end of day he still seemed suspicious to me. End of days are always in the middle of the night for me so I haven't ever experienced one and don't really know how to process them. Reading through the posts since, I don't really know what to think. But serp seems less interested in link and I'm inclined to follow his lead. kae I think would be an interestig path to go down, since peple I have scum and town read in the past are both pushing him right now, which is certaimly making me reconsider things. I'm also interested to see what will happen tonight. A bit more concrete info might help me get my head around everything, kinda lost right now
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 09:53:59 am
Ok, bad wording; I meant he isnt aware of being aligned with them. as in not w/w. The reason I'm singling out Annele is because she placed her vote at a point in time where Linkcat wasnt really in danger of being lynched (and went to bed afai can tell), so i think we cant derive much from her vote other than her intial read which is either just an actual read or distancing. I'm putting shock and annele together because the question was posed in that way and in fact telling that they are not connected imo.probably means that he isnt aligned with either of them and he probably could have just lynched Linkcat and be done with it as scum, so I maintain my townlean.Something doesn't make sense in a cognitive sense on this from kae.
I still have my doubts wrt to Linkcat; I have decentish townreads of everyone on his train (except Annele not sure about her, but she wasnt around for EoD frenzy and i dont really scumread her either), so I actually still think its possible that he's scum and his team couldnt risk saving him without potentially outing themselves as the votes were somewhat volatile and if Linkcat had been lynched as scum everyone voting for counterwagons at EoD would be watched more closely.
I'll have another look at Annele/shockcannon, but so far I'm feeling pretty neutral towards Annele and townlean shockcannon for different reasons now.
What I mean is, he is townreading timpa and thinks he isn't aligned with either of Link / Annele --- so he scum-reads both Link Annele right? Keep reading and alright yeah a scum-read on likely-town-Link but then goes into weird convoluted detail about Annele as a townread in a group yet singled out as not sure on her but then about her EOD absence then yeah not scumreading her?? Following paragraph is about looking into Annele/shock yet he is now neurtral on Annele and town on shock... what are you looking into? What are these different reasons? How are you getting to that while also getting to or not the lynchlog (Votecount analysis?)... ? Is it getting hard to WIM-it-up in the scum-chat? :-/ You had me quite fooled if your a wolf Kae, which is seeming more and more likely.
Look man, doing a lynchlog takes 2 hours of concentrated work in my experience and I just dont have these long streaks of free time right now.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 09:58:06 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 10:00:52 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 10:02:58 am
Actually rest assured that lynchlogs would be my number #1 priority if I were scum as they are kind of my trademark and a welcome excuse to not put time into solvingExcept making those lynch logs -and analyzing them in the meantime- are arguably a part of solving.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 10:04:39 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 27, 2020, 10:09:55 am
Q1: How would you play if you were mafia?I have no clue. I don't even remember the last time I was mafia.
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Q3: If not, can you provide the latest game when you were mafia?
Updated readlist later today. Maybe.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 10:28:17 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 10:48:36 am
To the people suggesting to eat me before shock you are either stupid or sus. Town!shock would be gamethrowing the way he played if I were mafia, so if he flips town you should be really sad if i died earlier.
My Link tunnel deepens, as I am getting the feeling he knew this, but suggested eating me anyway.
Post by: Calindu on May 27, 2020, 01:59:19 pm
Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.
But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 03:06:42 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 03:09:53 pm
Alright, EoD looks not only like a failure on Town's side but on mafia's side too. With a 5-5 vote it's simply too easy to try to swing things one way or another for mafia to get a damn mislynch. Would be better for them imo, mafia likes NL but a mislynch even more. But the way it ended seems more of an accident, but one that coulda been avoided if mafia was up to switch votes.
Thus, simply put there's >= 1 mafia in andre/Link/Annele. Shocking. I know. Gonna cut andre since his train fell derailed early enough (but w/w andre/Link is unlikely, and Link's gonna say it's Annele by PoE. Rob agrees(?) Link is town. Shock/serp/kae do not.
Keeping this in mind:
List of people that voted andre with intent to kill.
Linkcat
rob
MW
Sub
iancu
moe
Me
shock
serp
MW
kaempfer
moe
self-pres from andre which doesn't count
Annele
Linkcat
rob
andre
iancu
Sub
People who stated intent to kill rob at EoD
serp
shock
Shock implies that he knows kae, and serp/moe know each other, and those are voting blocs. MW implies he knows shock and kae as well, whereas kae is the clueless of the bunch.
If Annele/Link = t/t then we wouldn't be in this shithole mess, presumably
If Annele is mafia, that would make Link town. Link town would imply rob town, likely iancu/Sub town (those seemed like panic votes, and which maf panic buses?). serp/moe are clear, so that's 7/15 accounted for excluding myself. 3 more mafia to go in Ge0/kae/shock/kdz/Calindu/MW/andre/Beef. I'm going to go out on a limb to guess Annele/kae/kdz/Calindu by PoE, tho considering Ge0 in there too.
If Link is mafia, that clears kae/shock, Annele and andre are clear, and iancu/Sub seems much more suspect to try to divebomb a vote to save their teammate under the guise of a rush. if kae/shock is clear MW is clear... I honestly see this as the less likely scenario but I'll guess Link/rob/ian/Ge0?
Which clearly concludes that my strongest townreads would be Beef/MW/andre/Sub/shock/serp/moe. And myself, duh.
Hello folks.
Again, I come after a great length of time between posts. After Wednesday I should have a lot more time for the game, assuming I make it that far of course. Ill start in order of how fun it is to discuss
...
@DC
side note, I remember how much fun the old vulture role was, I think at one point in like, a 30 player game I managed to beat out like 10 votes with 1 as vulture, and then got into a trade fight over who got to keep vulture. Fun times. I'd say I miss it, but man, tilt city.
As a final note, I saw your question after EoD @DC, but it doesn't seem to matter much now. For the record, it was Ann at the time of your post, but I slept on it and it just didn't feel right, hence why I didnt make it a priority to make time to vote. I probably would have posted something on my three ? reads of Timpa, Ann, and MW.
I can't really think of anything else to post, and I have a zoom call tomorrow morning, so I'll be on about noonish EST. Though, i'll stick on until about half past to answer any questions while I'm here for once.
Imagine being the least fun thing to reply to. I'm hurt. </3 Old Vulture was sick but its death was for the better. Even for that era... I getcha for sleeping on it. I did it too.
@Linky, what say you about me aiming kdz instead, seeing as you binned us togetherdc is shitposting a GN claimI was thinking he meant turning kdz into kfc like that.
/me clears throat
I said, WHAT SAY YOU ABOUT ME AIMING KDZ INSTEAD, SEEING AS YOU BINNED US TOGETHER.
Alright, shitpost aside. Is this a soft? Is this me throwing you off, I dunno. I suppose what I mean is that I wonder if using my ability, if I have one, would be more appropriate to aim kdz instead of <whatever target my role is supposed to hit, if any>. Because in your PoE you put me and kdz together. Which would kinda lean into 'if DC is town then kdz isn't and vice versa'. Assuming I trust you which is one foot in the door, should I do this in order for you to better believe me?
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 03:14:27 pm
@Linky, what say you about me aiming kdz instead, seeing as you binned us togetherdc is shitposting a GN claimI was thinking he meant turning kdz into kfc like that.
Also, KFC sucks. At least where I live. Prefer Popeyes.
Post by: killsdazombies on May 27, 2020, 03:26:21 pm
Also, I agree KFC is highly overrated. Popeyes 100%.
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 03:28:41 pm
Basically neither of you are tomorrow's lynch. When the time comes that you're both on the chopping block, you won't need your role to know what it says about kdz
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 03:31:26 pm
That means: MW,Sub, serprex, moe, shockcannon, rob, andre, DC are all town in my mind. Link, TorB still scummy.
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 03:33:37 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 03:40:13 pm
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 03:44:32 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2020, 03:46:21 pm
If Annele/Link = t/t then we wouldn't be in this shithole mess, presumably
If Annele is mafia, that would make Link town. Link town would imply rob town, likely iancu/Sub town (those seemed like panic votes, and which maf panic buses?). serp/moe are clear, so that's 7/15 accounted for excluding myself. 3 more mafia to go in Ge0/kae/shock/kdz/Calindu/MW/andre/Beef. I'm going to go out on a limb to guess Annele/kae/kdz/Calindu by PoE, tho considering Ge0 in there too.
If Link is mafia, that clears kae/shock, Annele and andre are clear, and iancu/Sub seems much more suspect to try to divebomb a vote to save their teammate under the guise of a rush. if kae/shock is clear MW is clear... I honestly see this as the less likely scenario but I'll guess Link/rob/ian/Ge0?
Which clearly concludes that my strongest townreads would be Beef/MW/andre/Sub/shock/serp/moe. And myself, duh.
This is suspiciously close to my line of thought. Only I find your first scenario much harder to see and the second scenario to be WAY more likely.
However, MW and torb are not cleared in my mind and could replace ian/geo as mafia. I actually think geo is almost 100% town in the second scenario.
While I believe that both rob and Linkcat are likely mafia, I think rob is more likely. I would prefer to lynch rob first (just as serp prefers) before Link because I see a scenario where rob is mafia but linkcat isn't. However, I don't think there's a scenario where Linkcat is mafia and rob is town.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 03:48:09 pm
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 03:49:24 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 03:55:18 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 27, 2020, 04:01:08 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 04:02:20 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 04:02:57 pm
Combine these two and I don't like my chances of survival if I commit to evolve. So nothing anyone says will change my plan.
A problem with that (Having torb unburrow) is you assume he evolved last night, if he hasn't evolved yet and he does so tonight he will still be burrowed, right?Shriekers start unburrowed on evolve afaik.
Post by: killsdazombies on May 27, 2020, 04:09:18 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 04:09:53 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 04:12:51 pm
I'm open to the idea that TorB is actually mafia!anubis and thus cant make himself targetable anymore.Well, if someone keeps using Adrenaline on me every night, they will be able to deny this eventually. It's not like there is a better target for it anyway, is there?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 04:17:11 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:17:27 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:22:42 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 04:25:06 pm
Limited Night EON1 availability... I am following posts best I can. I have action submitted. Not all that exciting though.if it is an exciting role then consider me onboard with the developed plan. (Everything feels unexciting next to a N0 Oty roll)
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2020, 04:40:44 pm
Most likely mafia in my opinion (from most likely to least likely)
1.) rob - otyugh kill N1 has much more reward coming from a mafia than a town, especially when mafia has the option to cast it off as an "optimal town move" and especially when they can use fate egg as an excuse. We don't even know if rob is fate egg. Additionally, we have a lot of questionable vote changes and reads from him. Let's be honest here, this guy had a complete panic meltdown getting votes off Linkcat and trying to swap between Annele and andre. Nothing he's done so far has said town to me. If this guy is mafia otyugh and gets away with just devouring N0 on the most inactive player, we're going to regret never lynching him. Let's not regret it.
2.) Linkcat - Linkcat was the first one to vote on rob, andretimpa, and Annele and has started conversations to get all of them lynched. There have been many deflections by him to other players when people get suspicious of players like rob. I honestly think he started voting rob early to avoid suspicion later and then switched to players like andre and Annele who are less active and easy to prey upon. Linkcat also is certain that there is 1-2 mafia among myself, kaempfer, and Annele when I think that there are 0 mafia here. Also town reads players like sub, rob, etc. who are far from confirmed.Additionally, he starts suspecting players like Calindu and kdz as very likely mafia. Before this point, I was the only one calling them out as very likely mafia. Is this a setup so that when I get Night Killed and flip town, Linkcat has a very easy pathway to pushing these players while looking town himself? Especially if I'm wrong and Calindu/kdz are town, this looks like a great set up for mafia victory.
3.) TheonlyrealBeef - the no vote obvious graboid thing just looks like a great reason to stay out of the spotlight. Also started a ridiculous back and forth with kaempfer, that really only served to distract everyone else and get kaempf to mess up somewhere along the line. Contributions to town have been little to nothing. Had a very interesting take on rob's N0 devour.
4.) KDZ - Hard to read, and feigns low activity/inexperience. Could be accurate, could also be a mafia setting themselves up to go the distance before gaining any attention. Can't say, but if Coffeeditto was really the best devour target N0, then this is likely one of our best lynch targets as well for the same reasoning.
5.) Calindu - Makes one post, disappears. Votes on andre early on, disappears. Responds to specific question aimed at Calindu, disappears. Very easily an under the radar mafia. My stance is moving towards town though after the latest interaction between Calindu and Linkcat. Not going to rule out both being mafia though.
Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.
But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.
6.) MW - He's said a lot of things that just don't make sense. I don't want to underestimate his ability to be so confused, but something here is off. I also don't like his voting patterns. The only thing that says town to me is that he voted on Linkcat and stayed on Linkcat for so long before then switching off to andre. I have a hard time seeing that action occur if he's mafia, but again, I have no idea what's going on with this noob.
7.) Double Capitals - mostly memes. Is neutral read on most players. What more could you want as a mafia? However, DC's two mafia scenarios makes a lot of sense to me, and was the line of thought I've had this entire time. In fact, I'm almost too worried about how much our thoughts align. DC also made a previous comment on how crazy it would be for both rob and Linkcat to be mafia. But then we see them both as mafia in DC's 2nd most likely scenario. Where did this sudden revelation come from?
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2020, 04:42:42 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 27, 2020, 05:04:34 pm
5.) Calindu - Makes one post, disappears. Votes on andre early on, disappears. Responds to specific question aimed at Calindu, disappears. Very easily an under the radar mafia. My stance is moving towards town though after the latest interaction between Calindu and Linkcat. Not going to rule out both being mafia though.
That's just how I always play, check Mafia 71, aside from chat discussion I contributed really little early on and pretty much just responded to specific questions or requests related to me. It's when I actually got more information, especially through my role, that I started being more confident and useful.
Also, like I said, I've been quite busy these days, had a deadline yesterday, have a deadline in 2 days, very hard to put more effort than I'm putting in right now.
Post by: andretimpa on May 27, 2020, 06:20:55 pm
Unless Link steps up his memeing, we got the funniest post of the thread already
No past experience, but...
It depends on the roles. For the sake of argument we'll say me & one of my allies both rolled Oty. Yeah, great scum roles, this is great, not to mention it gets better when we troll worldwideqq & he flips GN. So next I risk MK to fake claim deja with my fellow oty. What if there's real dejas you ask? YOLO. As confirmed town I'm free to play scummy under the guise of pressuring town. So I'd totally fluster one of the better players around to keep him annoyed that town is throwing the game. Meanwhile I'd ally with the craziest player in the group in order to make people have to risk brain damage from confirmed town telling them to play with this player. Also it'd mean I'd have a perfect reason to bandwagon on the towniest players, come D2 nobody has any clue what's going on. Everyone skipped checking me & my ally's deja claim because NK is supposed to prove it. We're both still alive. No problem, mafia obviously wanted to get fate egg of the table when they have the lead off the GN kill & no lynch. Next night we still don't go, but it makes sense, towny player was protected night before, this night the towny player we failed to bandwagon goes down. It isn't until D4 that people are getting suspicious. By now the roles are coming out though, who needs to kill vanilla players who keep trolling the rest of town?
Accept it sub, you've already lost if I'm scum. So you'll just have to townread me as your only hope. Only it's hopeless, because you've already lost
@RQS I try to play closely to as I would as town. My early game is not too exciting as I take a while to make sense out of the white noise. As more info gets in I try to either contribute a lot or get behind someone that is contributing a lot and whose reads look accurate to me (this depends mostly on how much time I have in my hands). The main difference is that as scum I have a team to coordinate with (still I think keeping a more or less independent line of thought is very useful).
My last game here as scum was the sweep rob refers to (#61)
I'm still forming an opinion on kaemp. On one hand, looking closely at his D1 shows some moves that would imo be bad plays as town (mostly his interactions with MW and torb). However his recent claim about shock's role + shock not even acknowledging it but kaemp still being a town read for shock doesn't add up (unless they are w/w, but that seems a stretch).
I'll post an ISO on him when I get the chance, to articulate what I mean better.
Post by: moehrpi on May 27, 2020, 06:50:24 pm
Problem is that when Psion fails, it does not confirm anything, especially if I were mafia. I might be immaterial, guarded by a warden or even be a Seraph. Mafia can even dirty me on purpose if I'm town by role-blocking others trying to Psion me, though they'd probably rather protect someone from Otyugh, if they even have a Warden.
serprex is hoping I evolve to see the Shrieker role. Dunno if I feel like it, though.
That along with me agreeing on the latest kae/TorB discussion I also don't want him to unborrow. There are too many obvious NK targets that give mafia a decent chance to shiv one of them. Even if there is town GA.
Post by: moehrpi on May 27, 2020, 06:56:39 pm
1: I'd be more active or use mafia chat to be kept in the loop to post more.
2/3: no mafia games from me.
That or I'd copycat serp's masterplan.
Also, serp, check chat PM in case I die.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 27, 2020, 07:06:23 pm
Day 2
Time to slay. It is a new day.
moehrpi was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Deja Vu.
Day 2 has ended.
Post by: moehrpi on May 27, 2020, 07:07:01 pm
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 07:08:32 pm
Here's an excerpt from moe's last words: "TorB should vote tomorrow btw. Regardless if I said he should stay buried."
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 07:09:35 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 07:10:31 pm
I hardclaim Shrieker, I am no longer burrowed and will vote this day.
My plan was to Evolve all along with the pm already sent, so it was indeed not a change of plans. I just did not want mafia to know that.
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 07:11:42 pm
So, night phase reads in case I'm NK
Teams, listed towniest first: 4/18 scum
vv moe serp
vvvnn link rob sub ian timpa
vnw shock annele kaempf (kaempf lead the vote on Linkcat, shock only went in because I went in on kaempf's bluff, & I always go all in when I call bluffs)
v torb (most neutral of town reads)
w cal (who is cal even playing with?? like his scum role is spreading FUD but he won't align with anyone because he'd have to align with fellow scum in that case)
v geo (most wolfy of town reads)
nnn mw kdz dc
argument: kaempfer vs torb. Playing it up? kaempfer hard buddies rob (won't play with confirmed town & townread shock), very sus. Torb opens up kaempf defending so hard. You say kaempf can't be scum defending scum!rob, but this is easily scum defending town!rob
Calindu went after timpa
Curious what timezone geo was in that he was busy at EOD. Parking on Annele is interesting, as opposed to playing with me vs rob. Apparently he's in Canada, which spans a few timezones
So clear scum is kaempf/calindu. Remaining two is hard to tell, just have to go through in order of most to least sus: dc kdz annele geo torb mw timpa ian. The astute reader will notice I my last 3 are n while geo/torb are v. DEAL WITH IT
Which when I put it that way it's clearer why town is going after annele. Just don't think priority on her should be so high. For example, rob brought up how it was easier to get a wagon on timpa.. but you went on timpa, does that make you scummy? I don't know
fwiw I basically skip Sub's posts & don't bother going back & cross examining things. I did a bit to see wtf mw's been doing
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 07:13:57 pm
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 07:16:06 pm
Calindu (1) - serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 07:16:35 pm
DoubleCaps
Geo
Sub
Torb
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 07:17:34 pm
Requesting full reads from the following people.
DoubleCaps
Geo
Sub
Torb
I really only care about 1 maybe 2 of these peoples reads but i need to hide who it is for now
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 07:23:27 pm
Otherwise I'll assume it was mafia & share in a bit
Post by: PlayerOa on May 27, 2020, 07:25:22 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 07:26:23 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 07:27:00 pm
serp - it was me.Inb4 you assume it was mafia anyway
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 07:30:23 pm
Last message he sent re mafia to me was [18:59:36] moehrpi [»] serprex: Surprised if one of us dies, though, too. :p
Yep, rob's scum
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 07:34:15 pm
serp - it was me.
If rob didnt roll GA or Anubis hes scum
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 07:34:42 pm
ah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable nowwhat what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 07:35:15 pm
serp - it was me.
If rob didnt roll GA or Anubis hes scum
Stop trying to read into these roles, we're just tossing the bants around right now
Rob targetted me with devour
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 07:36:29 pm
I made a backdoor deal and always get fated to Devour every night. 8-)serp - it was me.
If rob didnt roll GA or Anubis hes scum
Stop trying to read into these roles, we're just tossing the bants around right now
Rob targetted me with devour
Post by: killsdazombies on May 27, 2020, 07:40:14 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 07:45:34 pm
ah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable nowwhat what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.
Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 07:48:33 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 27, 2020, 07:48:45 pm
ah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable nowwhat what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.
Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis
He's graboid 100%
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 07:49:07 pm
Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.
But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.
By mechanical reasons I mean that there are so many players that got strong townreads from EoD that you're on the block purely through process of elimination. That's looking a few days into the future, so could change depending on flips and new information. If Anele is mafia you look worse, if not who knows.
You can lynch the confirmed any time you want. If I receive adrenaline the night I unburrow, it will be the only time I can be nightkilled. Since confirmed town is also most likely getting Guardian Angel protection this round (if there are any), it's much safer to NK them a night later while rendered immune.
Combine these two and I don't like my chances of survival if I commit to evolve. So nothing anyone says will change my plan.A problem with that (Having torb unburrow) is you assume he evolved last night, if he hasn't evolved yet and he does so tonight he will still be burrowed, right?Shriekers start unburrowed on evolve afaik.
Mafia has 5 confirmed town to Nightkill, they're not going to waste one on you, especially since you might be the last ML they need as a deep wolf.
I think there's a high likelihood that myself or Ge0 dies tonight. I'm going to post my top mafia reads. I suspect if I die mafia will manipulate that to throw shade onto others, so ignore that.
Most likely mafia in my opinion (from most likely to least likely)
1.) rob - otyugh kill N1 has much more reward coming from a mafia than a town, especially when mafia has the option to cast it off as an "optimal town move" and especially when they can use fate egg as an excuse. We don't even know if rob is fate egg. Additionally, we have a lot of questionable vote changes and reads from him. Let's be honest here, this guy had a complete panic meltdown getting votes off Linkcat and trying to swap between Annele and andre. Nothing he's done so far has said town to me. If this guy is mafia otyugh and gets away with just devouring N0 on the most inactive player, we're going to regret never lynching him. Let's not regret it.
2.) Linkcat - Linkcat was the first one to vote on rob, andretimpa, and Annele and has started conversations to get all of them lynched. There have been many deflections by him to other players when people get suspicious of players like rob. I honestly think he started voting rob early to avoid suspicion later and then switched to players like andre and Annele who are less active and easy to prey upon. Linkcat also is certain that there is 1-2 mafia among myself, kaempfer, and Annele when I think that there are 0 mafia here. Also town reads players like sub, rob, etc. who are far from confirmed.Additionally, he starts suspecting players like Calindu and kdz as very likely mafia. Before this point, I was the only one calling them out as very likely mafia. Is this a setup so that when I get Night Killed and flip town, Linkcat has a very easy pathway to pushing these players while looking town himself? Especially if I'm wrong and Calindu/kdz are town, this looks like a great set up for mafia victory.
3.) TheonlyrealBeef - the no vote obvious graboid thing just looks like a great reason to stay out of the spotlight. Also started a ridiculous back and forth with kaempfer, that really only served to distract everyone else and get kaempf to mess up somewhere along the line. Contributions to town have been little to nothing. Had a very interesting take on rob's N0 devour.
4.) KDZ - Hard to read, and feigns low activity/inexperience. Could be accurate, could also be a mafia setting themselves up to go the distance before gaining any attention. Can't say, but if Coffeeditto was really the best devour target N0, then this is likely one of our best lynch targets as well for the same reasoning.
5.) Calindu - Makes one post, disappears. Votes on andre early on, disappears. Responds to specific question aimed at Calindu, disappears. Very easily an under the radar mafia. My stance is moving towards town though after the latest interaction between Calindu and Linkcat. Not going to rule out both being mafia though.Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.
But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.
6.) MW - He's said a lot of things that just don't make sense. I don't want to underestimate his ability to be so confused, but something here is off. I also don't like his voting patterns. The only thing that says town to me is that he voted on Linkcat and stayed on Linkcat for so long before then switching off to andre. I have a hard time seeing that action occur if he's mafia, but again, I have no idea what's going on with this noob.
7.) Double Capitals - mostly memes. Is neutral read on most players. What more could you want as a mafia? However, DC's two mafia scenarios makes a lot of sense to me, and was the line of thought I've had this entire time. In fact, I'm almost too worried about how much our thoughts align. DC also made a previous comment on how crazy it would be for both rob and Linkcat to be mafia. But then we see them both as mafia in DC's 2nd most likely scenario. Where did this sudden revelation come from?
God I wanted to stop reading this after the first sentence so freaking badly, but I pressed on through sheer force of will. Shock, if you want to be useful, imagine a world where I'm town and then give me your reads.
Mafia went with the safest possible Nightkill. To me this means that they think they'll lose if they miss a single Nightkill.
Re: rob devouring serp
Uhhhh, what?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 07:52:08 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 07:52:38 pm
but does that have much to do with his alignment? Why do you care THAT much about his role? At this stage in more into finding alignments, are you? 0.oah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable nowwhat what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.
Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 07:53:14 pm
I already saw it coming.
/me screams
why didn't you take serprex instead!
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 07:53:50 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 07:54:33 pm
Requesting full reads from the following people.
DoubleCaps
Geo
Sub
Torb
See my post on N1, good enough? gonna snooze.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 07:57:18 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 07:59:44 pm
Requesting full reads from the following people.
DoubleCaps
Geo
Sub
Torb
See my post on N1, good enough? gonna snooze.
Is everything still the same?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 08:04:35 pm
but does that have much to do with his alignment? Why do you care THAT much about his role? At this stage in more into finding alignments, are you? 0.oah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable nowwhat what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.
Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis
Town anubis should never use its ability and TorB caring so much about sticking to the agreedupon rules should thus always be targetable (and being a useless role anyway just actually have used his vote)
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 08:05:05 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 08:05:55 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 27, 2020, 08:06:45 pm
Requesting full reads from the following people.
DoubleCaps
Geo
Sub
Torb
See my post on N1, good enough? gonna snooze.
Is everything still the same?
My half dead brain says yes. Please form your conclusion based off my words. Or don't, I may not be the opinion you care about
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 08:07:19 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 27, 2020, 08:10:29 pm
Town Anubis anointing a town person is pretty powerful I'd think, Kae...
I think it's half useless, it doesn't protect against NK.
but does that have much to do with his alignment? Why do you care THAT much about his role? At this stage in more into finding alignments, are you? 0.oah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable nowwhat what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.
Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis
Town anubis should never use its ability and TorB caring so much about sticking to the agreedupon rules should thus always be targetable (and being a useless role anyway just actually have used his vote)
He was targetable, so he's not anubis, if he's town like I read him, he's graboid.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 27, 2020, 08:11:05 pm
Curious what timezone geo was in that he was busy at EOD. Parking on Annele is interesting, as opposed to playing with me vs rob. Apparently he's in Canada, which spans a few timezones
Repost of my last post in case you missed it.
What just happened? I don't remember EOD's ever being this crazy.Big thank you to Link for making a summary post. Also thank you to Oa for staying up.
I was able to fit a couple posts in during a break at work where I briefly gave thoughts on the situation after being asked by Link and Rob. Tally at the time was:
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
I honestly thought the day was about to end with andre lynch and didn't bother to switch my vote. In hindsight probably a misplay, if I had switched Link should not have been almost lynched. I haven't had time to fully process things, not sure if anyone has, but I have Link, rob, and andre all trending upwards after that EOD. I really thought that at the least, confirmed town was going to switch off voting Link last minute. Very surprised when they did not, has me feeling somewhat confused and worried that my read on Link might be wrong? Don't put too much weight on what I just said there, I still very much think Link is town. Just with two confirmed town voting for Link lynch, and many people previously stating that Link is one of the hardest to read (and it being something he seemingly takes pride in possibly), I have an ever so small sliver of doubt.
Could have made it clearer - but I hopped on for EOD during my break and had to go back to work after pre-extension EOD. Parking my vote on Annele was somewhat unintentional, I was focused on trying to catch up and respond to people calling for my opinion and didn't think it was necessary to take the time and change my vote. For the record, I'm not saying I 100% would have changed, I just didn't really give it much thought. I was ok with either Annele or andre lynch, was certain that the majority of link voters were trolling and going to switch off. Hindsight 20/20, I was wrong.
Readslist coming.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 27, 2020, 08:12:18 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 08:13:07 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 08:14:27 pm
Can I ask you why you targeted him, when for all you knew he was untargetable?Town Anubis anointing a town person is pretty powerful I'd think, Kae...
I think it's half useless, it doesn't protect against NK.but does that have much to do with his alignment? Why do you care THAT much about his role? At this stage in more into finding alignments, are you? 0.oah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable nowwhat what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.
Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis
Town anubis should never use its ability and TorB caring so much about sticking to the agreedupon rules should thus always be targetable (and being a useless role anyway just actually have used his vote)
He was targetable, so he's not anubis, if he's town like I read him, he's graboid.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 08:15:47 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 08:17:25 pm
Don't take the kaempfer13 bait, he wants to know if I'm now immune to nightkills.
Post by: Calindu on May 27, 2020, 08:19:24 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 08:19:57 pm
My point is that whoever else targeted serp should have been on now. \quieting-down-on-this-topic-for-nowCan only be mindflayer and there is 0 point in targeting a deja vu with that
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 08:21:05 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 08:22:07 pm
*on moe. I mistyped\autocorrect.My point is that whoever else targeted serp should have been on now. \quieting-down-on-this-topic-for-nowCan only be mindflayer and there is 0 point in targeting a deja vu with that
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 08:22:27 pm
Pretty disappointed we didnt get an infolynch D1. We would be in a very different spot had we lynched almost anyone D1.
Im willing to bet if no one else hardclaims, serp will be NK'd, then we kill rob. If rob is scum it would honestly be too late.
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 08:23:34 pm
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 08:24:48 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 08:25:03 pm
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
I hate every single thing hes done this game. He does a shitty target, defends it for 15 pages, and everyone listens. I dont like that
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 08:28:04 pm
Try another vote, if rob's scum then town failed me yesterday
If we can't agree on cal/kaempf, we're agreeing on mw
We're not going after Annele unless shock decides he'd rather go after her than kaempfer
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 08:28:25 pm
Torb, prefer this wagon to Cal?100%
Still compiling reads list.
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (2) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 08:30:55 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 08:34:00 pm
v
serprex - Deja Vu
Linkcat - I still like everything he says. kaempfer13 trying to shade him practically confirms him as town for me. Linkcat gives good argumentations everywhere.
n+
Calindu - I'm honestly not even sure what all the w reads are about. Not going to pile up on lynch votes here.
rob77dp - People I'm townreading are townreading rob and he tried desperately to save someone I'm townreading from getting lynched, which fits town rob not wanting to info lynch town perfectly.
MasterWalks - The most suspicious thing, is that his play seems so much better than last mafia, where he was town. (= no change)
Submachine - Sub being sub and not sus.
iancudorinmarian - Him not coming across as being particularly interested seems typical ian. He'd have more fun orchestrating lynches as mafia, I suspect.
n
Annele - I need more activity here to get a good feels. I'm not getting any feels.
killsdazombies - ^
Geometry v1.2 - ^
andretimpa - ^
n-
shockcannon - I'm useless? lmao. Just bus kaempfer13 so I can let you off the hook for a while.
DoubleCapitals - You will need to clarify what that last night thing targeting was all about. Because it felt like you refusing to bus, like you said you would refuse to. Why killsdazombies over kaempfer13 or Calindu?
w
kaempfer13 - I think I have filled enough pages on why.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 08:40:52 pm
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
I hate every single thing hes done this game. He does a shitty target, defends it for 15 pages, and everyone listens. I dont like that
MW, eating Coffee was consensus good play like 40 pages ago, but this does make me townread you more since this is the most unproductive thing you could do as mafia.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 08:42:37 pm
1: Hardclaim
2: Tell us what youve learned about kaempf. Its obv you targetted him N0, and something you learned was enough for you to townread him.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 08:44:25 pm
every fourth thought I have this game is doubting my town read of Link. Then he posts and I fell warm inside again. I almost cannot contain my excitement we may both be town and townread each other for the first time ever. Conversely, it comes with increased dread if this ever ends up work Link being scum :'(Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
I hate every single thing hes done this game. He does a shitty target, defends it for 15 pages, and everyone listens. I dont like that
MW, eating Coffee was consensus good play like 40 pages ago, but this does make me townread you more since this is the most unproductive thing you could do as mafia.
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2020, 08:45:29 pm
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Kaempf is town but if this is what it takes for people to drastically change their reads then so be it. I will say though, if we lynch kaempf, and then lynch Annele the next day, town will 100% lose this game. I'll bet a nymph code on that.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 08:47:52 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 08:51:32 pm
Shock just claimProblem is, who still believes shock claims at this point? Can someone point me to an accurate shock claim in a past mafia?
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 08:54:13 pm
speaking for myself I base believing a claim on the claim itself not carte blanche person claimingShock just claimProblem is, who still believes shock claims at this point? Can someone point me to an accurate shock claim in a past mafia?
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 08:55:29 pm
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 08:56:17 pm
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 27, 2020, 08:58:16 pm
As I'm writing this list, I realize most of it still feels somewhat weak. In order to compensate, I will not list anyone as a flat n, everyone is at least n+ or n- so that I'm providing some sort of opinion no matter how weak my read on them.
vv
serp - with moe 200% confirmed deja, serp is 200% confirmed himself. this is obvious to most of you I know, but it was a conclusion I deduced with my own brain and I am proud of it
v
link - nothing about his posts feel scummy to me, I'm not sure how some are reading him as scum. having a train started on him late into D1 was seemingly random to me and felt like a mafia play
torb - could be wrong but feel like he is playing fairly "solo", not trying too hard to get on anyone's good side. in fact maybe doing the opposite, staying extremely wary of everyone until confirmed town. feels towny to me.
n++
rob - some of his play confuses me still, but the constant vote switching and his seeming confusion/panic during EOD felt towny to me, I think mafia would be more certain of what they want?
kdz - gut feel still think he's towny, although at this point in the game I guess that's not good enough to have someone in v
sub - I said I wasn't going to sheep but someone mentioned that if sub was scum he would very likely be caught up during EOD and that just makes so much sense to me
n+
andre - scum andre would have received a bit more defense, he has almost died twice and no one seemed to care. poor guy.
dc (n+)
mw (n-)
the two players I am most unsure about, but as promised have assigned them a not completely neutral read
n-
ian - I feel like his posts have little to no substance, doesn't seem to care much about the game, "I'll post a readslist later, maybe" - not a good feel
annele - still gut feel scummy, but similar to how I don't think my gut feel on kdz warrants v, my read on annele doesn't warrant w. of all players, I wish the most to see more content from her.
shock - weirdest read for me, I really like how he presents his logic, but I don't at all agree with his reads if that makes sense. has me worried they are mafia orchestrated narratives, kinda "feels too good to be true" type solving. almost want to put him in w but idk.
w
calindu - low-ish activity and also a "don't really care about the game" vibe, similar to ian. also started the train on link (I could be wrong on this, too lazy to go back and check but I'm fairly certain he was the first or one of the first to vote on link)
kaemp - a lot of his reads contradict mine, this is maybe somewhat of a gut feel as well, but it's my strongest. as I'm writing this post it seems a wagon is forming on him and I'm content to hop on.
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 27, 2020, 08:59:12 pm
Shock actually truthfully claimed Otyugh most of the game in 70 I think.Alright, I'll keep that in mind and more seriously consider any possible claim, then. 72 was kinda ridiculous.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 08:59:45 pm
rob: why didn't you target yourself?I already know about myself what I would have learned by doing so.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 09:01:59 pm
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Don't want the train to run away just yet.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 27, 2020, 09:02:14 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 27, 2020, 09:03:28 pm
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 27, 2020, 09:04:45 pm
Decent list but both parts of your Cal read are wrong.
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Don't want the train to run away just yet.
My bad, went back to check and Cal was not on your train. In that case, swap annele and cal on my readslist for now.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 09:10:38 pm
Don't waste your vote on me right now though. Eh?
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 09:15:40 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 09:19:15 pm
If v\w w\v the tough call is IF to bus...
If v\v then we're in trouble I reckon
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 09:20:56 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2020, 09:23:55 pm
Anyway here is why I hate TorB so much this game:
TorB is someone with a good understanding of maths and optimization. I see that many other people struggle to understand these concepts, but he really should know better. But alas his goal isnt to solve this game after all. Instead he focussed on a discussion about ethics in a game that is literally about murdering people. Also note how well his views line up with the general thread mood at any given time
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 09:33:39 pm
Rob, since you're Fate Egg is there a reason you don't just claim your action?
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 09:35:14 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 09:37:55 pm
Will definitely keep that in mind if you flip town.uhhh I guess not. Great point no different than how devouring auto-claimed my n0.
Rob, since you're Fate Egg is there a reason you don't just claim your action?
I psionic linked serp. My action failed though. Moe dying at night would have made even a successful targeting worthless though.
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 09:39:20 pm
kae, torb also has an absurd hate for variance. He does not like to roll dicethen he should have been the Fate Egg. For humor.
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 09:40:23 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 09:43:29 pm
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 09:44:01 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 09:51:12 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 09:57:08 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 09:59:56 pm
So it was someone that doesn't trust rob.or scum that knew they were NK on moe and wanted to keep serp away from buffs from town (meanwhile preventing my tinfoil investigation).
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 10:07:45 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 10:18:10 pm
So it was someone that doesn't trust rob.or scum that knew they were NK on moe and wanted to keep serp away from buffs from town (meanwhile preventing my tinfoil investigation).
The only buff that's useful to give serp is Immaterial.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2020, 10:33:28 pm
MW I assume you didn't learn anything important last night?
Possibly. Waiting on one of my people to respond with read list
Post by: serprex on May 27, 2020, 10:55:21 pm
@shock feel free to sic our bloc on rob or link again today, I'm game
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 11:02:35 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 27, 2020, 11:40:50 pm
The only reason I suggested it is because it was the only way we lose, game is pretty much won at this point, and one Psion check isn't that valuable.This.
If you didn't like that part of Link plan then why not comment sooner? Like when I softed following the plan. (I didn't come up with a good way to hint at being psion though)
To get me up to speed, when I get no input and decide on my own it's scummy (N0) and when I follow the towniest plans to a T it's scummy (N1). Got it. I prayed to all the rng goddesses all day 1 and N1 for a blessing of GN roll, but alas.
Wish I could have had GN rolled to check moe last night. serp could really start the fireworks then.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2020, 11:46:42 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 12:24:03 am
Requesting full reads from the following people.DoubleCaps
Geo
Sub
Torb
Cannot stress how much i need these reads. If a read comes back from a specific person in a certain way, i will hard claim.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 28, 2020, 12:43:42 am
Requesting full reads from the following people.DoubleCaps
Geo
Sub
Torb
Cannot stress how much i need these reads. If a read comes back from a specific person in a certain way, i will hard claim.
Mine was posted. Although I can't imagine my list to be of such crucial importance to you.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 12:55:04 am
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297804/#msg1297804
Can't really respond to Linkcat's plan any sooner
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 01:38:32 am
I couldn't script an intentional way of being more irritating to serp than I have been so fast unintentionally. He probably would say scummy instead of irritating.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 28, 2020, 01:44:09 am
n-
DoubleCapitals - You will need to clarify what that last night thing targeting was all about. Because it felt like you refusing to bus, like you said you would refuse to. Why killsdazombies over kaempfer13 or Calindu?
I was trying to bait mafia into nabbing me by softing something useful. Then I realised they'd rather NK the 5 confirmed town instead of you know, risk wasting their shot on this dummy.
I do not have a useful role.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 28, 2020, 01:51:12 am
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Voting based on my Scenario #1 (Link=t, Annele=m)
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 28, 2020, 01:52:40 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 02:11:27 am
I need a full readlist from submachine. dont care much to see anyone else's on the list.
Serp, i have a huge favor to ask you. How much do you truly believe this is possible? If not toadfish then GOTP? like, on a scale of 1-10.
inb4 shock is toadfish & targetted kaempf N0
kaempfer, your about to die and i dont really mind hoping to you to finish that off. I need you to answer how many times can you use your role? (OU, ER, EoR)
Now, i ask shock. How likely on a scale of 1-10, is submachine a town?
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 02:18:37 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 02:28:40 am
gee, sure would be nice if rob had checked shock's role to have insight into any random claim shock might make
Ima tin foil hat and say that rob rolled psion and targetted moe to confirm your claim? Then says he was targetted so mightve been blocked?
*on moe. I mistyped\autocorrect.My point is that whoever else targeted serp should have been on now. \quieting-down-on-this-topic-for-nowCan only be mindflayer and there is 0 point in targeting a deja vu with that
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 02:29:49 am
gee, sure would be nice if rob had checked shock's role to have insight into any random claim shock might make
Ima tin foil hat and say that rob rolled psion and targetted moe to confirm your claim? Then says he was targetted so mightve been blocked?*on moe. I mistyped\autocorrect.My point is that whoever else targeted serp should have been on now. \quieting-down-on-this-topic-for-nowCan only be mindflayer and there is 0 point in targeting a deja vu with that
nvm this is too dumb to be true.
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 02:35:30 am
I wouldn't expect Sub to be around for a bit --- I think his time zone is pretty much asleep for a while now.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 02:37:46 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 02:38:41 am
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 02:45:57 am
Mafia has an anubis. That anubis has secured NK on me (to be refunded whenever) to prevent Heal blocking
Either rob is town fate egg psion who was blocked due to that immaterial, or rob's anubis scum & came up with a "I was actually psion" story to cover for his night action. If link/rob are w/w, link's plans would be created after he knows rob's anubis roll to setup that play
Torb, I see no reason you shouldn't divulge whether you're adrenal. Also, does adrenal burrowed count towards parity? My understanding is "no" but seems a weird interpretation when parity rules are really just outlining how to not allow mafia to slowroll
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 03:13:54 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 03:15:48 am
It feels right to sus a player who does the RQS but has done nothing else this game except things I find scummy... Annele, who do you want to push tomorrow? Maybe you've read the whole thread, maybe not... maybe you can discuss in wolf-chat the answer if you're not caught up? But, who is a suspect you want to push tomorrow??
I'm not sure what you mean by rqs?
At the start of the day I would have said linkcat still, since even though he was less in control at the end of day he still seemed suspicious to me. End of days are always in the middle of the night for me so I haven't ever experienced one and don't really know how to process them. Reading through the posts since, I don't really know what to think. But serp seems less interested in link and I'm inclined to follow his lead. kae I think would be an interestig path to go down, since peple I have scum and town read in the past are both pushing him right now, which is certaimly making me reconsider things. I'm also interested to see what will happen tonight. A bit more concrete info might help me get my head around everything, kinda lost right now
Now, if there is a living Otyugh, please nom Annele so we can have Day 2 and not Day 1 Part 2: Battle Tendency.
I'm not sure how serious this suggestion is, but does anyone else actually think another oty should take matters into their own hands n1? For me or any of the other failed lynches?
Q1: How would you play if you were mafia?
I'd try not to rock the boat, and excuse any misplay on being inexperienced.
Q2: Can you provide an example of when you played as mafia like that?
Whatever the last mafia I was in that was my strategy; I tried to just follow what other people were saying and based my reads on that. That lead to me accidentally landing the finishing blow on a fellow mafia and getting confirmed town for a while lol
Post by: andretimpa on May 28, 2020, 04:23:30 am
I'm still forming an opinion on kaemp. On one hand, looking closely at his D1 shows some moves that would imo be bad plays as town (mostly his interactions with MW and torb). However his recent claim about shock's role + shock not even acknowledging it but kaemp still being a town read for shock doesn't add up (unless they are w/w, but that seems a stretch).
I'll post an ISO on him when I get the chance, to articulate what I mean better.
As I promissed at EON, here's kaempf's ISO (what stuck out the most to me - not gonna copy 100+ posts :P)
First his exchange with MW
Im just trying to give some stuff for people to work with, and im fairly certain my soft claim could be interpreted into like 3 very different roles. If serp is being truthful, then i have 5 confirmed town which puts me in quite a good position. If i die and my role is revealed, i want at least some good information to be passed on.I've reread the op 4 times and arrive at the conclusion that there is a grand total of 1 type of (not confirmed dead) town roles that would allow you to mechanically discern shocks alignement while simultaneously not knowing but believing serps claim to be true on n1 .
Ugh, this whole thing is a trainwreck again. Nvm me saying that this could turn out to be easy earlier.
I am quite certain kaempfer is town. However, it is very important to me that he does not know that I think this. DO NOT QUOTE THIS POST OR I WILL VOTE YOU UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD.
Also, i agree with shocks last message
I cant find anything uber damning in any of this and really seems like some shallow fingerpointing. Ill just give my full read list as of right now. It aint much.
TOWN READS (in order of most town read to least town read)
shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town
Kaempfer- see shockcannons reasoning
submachine- is doing submachine stuff. i expect him to be slightly more low key as scum.
Rob- Im on the rob wouldnt be that stupid as scum bandwagon
Serp-I have no reason to not believe his coded message
Moe- See serp
Somethings i would like to point outWaking up at 4 am to say:
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt town
This comment is based solely on reading the thread. He did not gain any information from his role.
(important part in white)
I'm talking about your shock read; fate egg rolling gn is the only option that actually allows you to discern his alignement. If you didnt have that, there is no way your result directly reveals shocks alignement.(important part in white)
Im just trying to give some stuff for people to work with, and im fairly certain my soft claim could be interpreted into like 3 very different roles. If serp is being truthful, then i have 5 confirmed town which puts me in quite a good position. If i die and my role is revealed, i want at least some good information to be passed on.I've reread the op 4 times and arrive at the conclusion that there is a grand total of 1 type of (not confirmed dead) town roles that would allow you to mechanically discern shocks alignement while simultaneously not knowing but believing serps claim to be true on n1 .
Ugh, this whole thing is a trainwreck again. Nvm me saying that this could turn out to be easy earlier.
My role has nothing to do with me believing serp or really my kaempfer read.
this strikes me as a bad play if kaemp is town, since Fate Egg is not a role you want under the spotlight and even if it were "obvious", make the scum work for it. He continues
as you cant be deja vu with him and not question serps claim as there is only at most one group of deja vus (stated in op)Serp-I have no reason to not believe his coded message
Moe- See serp
i simply have no reason not to believe him. And your role read on me tells me i did on okay job at my soft claim.I also don't like the vibes off shock's messages but its strictly a gut feel.
This is a totally normal gut feeling with everything shock says both in and outside of mafia. Dont look into what he says too hard or youll descend in madness. I think i can speak for the majority when i say that.
Just to be sure, I want you to know that a psion getting a guardian angel result doesnt mean anything about the targets alignement. I'm a little concerned this might be going on, as people wrongly assuming such let to mobian living as mafia much longer than he should've in the mafia game before I started playing.
same argument as before, psion is not as much of a big deal, but giving ideas to mafia to check if shock is GA is also a bad move. (tho this one doesn't even add up, as GA wouldn't allow shock to make a read of kaemp)
After this MW gets kaemp to drop the subject. Nevertheless, kaemp gets to this conclusion
so basically we regard moe, shock, serp as confirmed and either watch in horror as the mafia kills them 1 by 1 or try to solve the game while they are still around. Pretty wastefull to make that public this early, but it does make our PoE a lot smaller.
The next weird bit is this exchange
My flip on shock and kae is a result of me rereading roles and which ones are faster. In fact, after getting a mod question answered, my town read on shock has lessened and my town read on kaempf has improved.
MW gets to the conclusion that his claims were softer than expected
shock, I'm pretty sure I understood what you are trying to tell me before you made that post; i just dont want to make a big deal out of it unless i have to.
MW, there is sth really weird about what you last said and what i think shock has been doing; check again which roles can target who.
MW, there is a chance shock didnt target me after all
The message that called more my attention is this last one. I'm having a really hard time trying to parse it, but I don't see what wolf!kaemp would be trying to accomplish here (since the shock claim would be beneficial to him, why discredit it?). It might be kaemp trying to throw shade at shock to get a misslynch and consolidate himself as townie, but that seems like an overoptimistic plan on his part to me (and requires shock to have missplayed).
MW is not amused by these messages
I hope this means you understand?MW, there is a chance shock didnt target me after all
ok. I didnt think i implied he did. im just comfortable believing his townreads atm.
Nope. Dont understand. Dont know what im supposed to be trying to understand.
I thought the speed of my role was different. I double chekced, asked a question, and now i understand it. I falsely made a pretty hard claim earlier in my reads regarding you and shock. Now that i know my roles speed, i explained honestly and back peddled on my claims as shown here:My flip on shock and kae is a result of me rereading roles and which ones are faster. In fact, after getting a mod question answered, my town read on shock has lessened and my town read on kaempf has improved.
Now im not GN obv so im not 100% sure you are town, and frankly, your short cryptic messages and role reading me are making me feel less confident about my read on you.
His direct reply
Ok, I give up trying to parse this. the reason I'm being so cryptic is because I don't want more roles to be revealed (you pretty much revealed what your role does, so no use trying to hide it now (I'm by no means encouraging a full claim)) and one of the following things happened:
- I missunderstood shock
- You missunderstood your role (tbf you pretty much admit to that)
- You missunderstood shocks role
After this MW switches his vote to kaemp, serp follows suit
I was gonna include his exchanges with torb, but the part that is in D1 is not as spread out (and is still developping apparently) - so I'd rather get some sleep.
Regarding his N1 posts, this one intrigued me
Alright shock its probably time to make it official, I'm 90% sure you are an egg that gned me n1 (and disguised it as an angel soft so that I wouldnt die).mostly because shock didn't reacted to it. This is one thing I don't see wolf!kaemp doing, unless shock/kaemp are w/w (but then again, this would be an exceedingly dangerous plan)
To the people suggesting to eat me before shock you are either stupid or sus. Town!shock would be gamethrowing the way he played if I were mafia, so if he flips town you should be really sad if i died earlier.
My Link tunnel deepens, as I am getting the feeling he knew this, but suggested eating me anyway.
In a vacuum these look either like kaemp is scum and is slipping in some parts or he's town and needs to learn to be a bit more discrete. (around n-). However together with the EOD it makes him my strongest scum lean.
I'll be doing Anelle tomorrow (should be quicker at least).
Post by: andretimpa on May 28, 2020, 04:25:28 am
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 04:27:25 am
Why didn't mafia show up & put a thumb on the scale when 3/5 or 4/5 town were on Linkcat? Because insane town was doing it well enough. Say what you want about Annele being hardest to bandwagon, there are many town which weren't onboard with that. Conclusion: mafia weren't interested in yesterday's vote because none of the wagons were scum
If that's not true, shock's correct that mafia showed up to save Linkcat. Linkcat, play with Annele or else you're scum to me
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 05:09:07 am
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 05:13:43 am
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 05:26:22 am
I'd like to propose town!Annele:
Why didn't mafia show up & put a thumb on the scale when 3/5 or 4/5 town were on Linkcat? Because insane town was doing it well enough.
Can you clarify what you mean by this?
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 05:37:02 am
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Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
2/5 of those are confirmed town. I expect 1.5 more are town
"insane" references you saying
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They only got No Lynch because all the sane town knew that killing me was a bad idea.
Meanwhile you & rob are wanting an infolynch. Hypocrites
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 28, 2020, 06:04:19 am
Torb, I see no reason you shouldn't divulge whether you're adrenal. Also, does adrenal burrowed count towards parity? My understanding is "no" but seems a weird interpretation when parity rules are really just outlining how to not allow mafia to slowrollWell, was hoping for a nightkill misfire, but I figure that's a long shot, regardless. I am adrenal, which is why I know someone targeted me.
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 06:07:56 am
This is different from an infolynch in that I see no scenario in which I don't lynch Annele in the next two days, I just want more time with rob to figure out all possible worlds before one of us dies.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 08:08:16 am
You dont lynch someone you can mechanically confirm as town. Linkcat knows that, it was a big topic in his championship game. I dont even know wtf kind of mech clears other than the daja vus hes talking about when he's still ready to lynch me. If you look at his last night, you also see much more blatant attempts at rolefishing than I ever had.
(As for why i was arguing with MW about roles is it was blatantly obv what kind of roles he might have and he was spreading misinformation about what his role told him, probably by mistake. Btw, I wasnt poisoned n1 because I'm still alive. Besides the things you said dont make any sense in that scenario. Reread the op 10 times and ask Oa about everything before you make more mistakes)
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2020, 08:15:40 am
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Post by: Annele on May 28, 2020, 08:42:53 am
Um, Sub even calls it an RQS in the post where he asks the questions that you answered. Are you faking not knowing this? Seems odd that you picked it out to respond to but then don't know that's what Sub called it. I may be tunneling at this point on my scum-read of you, but it sure looks like you were told somewhere else to go answer Sub's questions and/or knew the questions to answer without having to dig through the thread to find his post (that is, if you had found the Sub post to answer them you likely quote it and/or see it called an RQS).
I don't know what half the acronyms people are using mean, but this one was directed at me so I thought I'd clarify. I answered the questions because when I turned up to check the thread at that time that's what people were doing. I'm not able to be here most of the time, but I do try to participate where I can.
I did hope that there would be more public information to work with after n1, but I'm getting more and more suspicious of kae. Still think Linkcat's dodgiest though.
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 09:04:18 am
I'm extremely reluctant to vote outside Link, Cal or Torb today.
Post by: Calindu on May 28, 2020, 09:20:09 am
So long as shock vouches for me and lives or flips town egg I shouldnt even be on the table for the lynch, no matter how outrageous you find the things I say.
Why would you be unlynchable if shock lives? Sure, if shock vouches for you and flips something that can 100% verify you as town, then sure. But right now? There's no reason you should be that confident in this idea.
However he forgot that he didnt have a particular good reason to target TorB.
This is funny. I'm Green Nymph, yeah, I can confirm that. There was a good chance my ability would fail if TorB didn't unburrow, that's correct as well. But I find Green Nymph to be useless except for this very niche, so why not at least try to use it like this?
It allows me to see if he is actually untargetable or not. It allows one of my town reads to vote while not being NKable, and if it weren't for the need to disclose that, it might even bait a NK. Even if he is mafia, it forces him to vote since I know he has adrenaline and can't use the Graboid excuse anymore.
I'm sorry, but I can't town read you anymore after this.
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 09:30:09 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 09:35:04 am
Post by: Calindu on May 28, 2020, 09:44:41 am
There are far easier worlds I could have pushed, but alas I'm actually trying to solve the game and thus I will keep screaming this cassandra truth until I'm dead
I town read you before these 2 comments, but it's hard for me to do it now. I know you can analyse the mechanics of the game, and I find it hard to believe that you actually think me using adrenaline on the graboid is a bad play. You surely know the ability is useless outside of this. To explain why it's useless though, adrenaline does 3 things:
- It allows burrowed shrieker to vote - Can hit it while it's burrowed so it doesn't proc, sad but at least I know he's not targetable
- It removes the freeze effect - No one claimed to have been frozen as far as I know, so I have no reason to believe there's someone freezing people at random
- It allows EoR to become ER, except GN - Totally useless unless I know more abilities, and even then, most of these don't really help town all that much
@MW: Please claim if you are FFQ if it helps kae/shock claims,
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 28, 2020, 10:01:48 am
vv
serprex - you know why
v
rob - Still my strongest town read. Make of that what you wish.
n+
TorB - I can see where kae is coming from, but it feels way too conspiracy theory to me. TorB is still a town-lean for me.
MW - Not sure what to think of him. He's asking for the reads of some very specific people. Town behaviour, I'd say.
n
shock - I don't even read his posts. I'm too low IQ to understand, so I just ignore.
Calin - I haven't seen anything unusual from him yet.
Sub - I don't know. I don't like reading walls of texts, so I kinda ignore those. People with more patience can feel free to analyze them better.
kdz, DC, Ge0 - No clue whatsoever.
n-
Linkcat - U N L Y N C H A B L E
andre - Still one of the people I suspect. To be honest, I don't like how easy it was to forget about him entirely.
w
Annele - I really don't like how hard she was to lynch D1.
kae - As said, his theories feel way too conspiracy-oriented.
ww
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 28, 2020, 10:02:59 am
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
I'm willing to change to kae if needed or if people can persuade me otherwise.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 10:05:02 am
Post by: Submachine on May 28, 2020, 10:12:42 am
Post by: Submachine on May 28, 2020, 10:28:47 am
Ok, I need information. Im starving. I aint gonna waste time.Oh boy, this ought to be good. Sorry rob, EOD1 analysis has to wait, this is looking to be way more fun.
I need a full readlist from submachine. dont care much to see anyone else's on the list.
But still, gotta wait for work hours to end. Sorry MW. :P
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 02:49:28 pm
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 02:56:12 pm
Some will target torb. Torb will not burrow tonight. I'd rather he be tonight's NK than some later day's mislynch
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 03:15:27 pm
We can resolve this if two of shock/annele/kaempf/masterwalks/submachine have targettingThen who's today's lynch? You are settled in it being Link? I still think he's town. But I _know_ you're town. I still think Annele is mafia scum.
Some will target torb. Torb will not burrow tonight. I'd rather he be tonight's NK than some later day's mislynch
Link you've shaded Cal quite a bit without really trying to lynch him... Howcome? I know I've been the target if your scumread before when you're town and it is a serious pressure cooker experience. A few times this game you've mentioned going hard or a welcome return to playing mafia but you look different in some regards than the town!Link I've seen before...
\Tinfoil creeping in...
\\serp will scumread me for what will be framed as bussing
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2020, 03:22:27 pm
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 03:25:27 pm
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 03:25:41 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 28, 2020, 03:37:21 pm
We can resolve this if two of shock/annele/kaempf/masterwalks/submachine have targettingI already have been targeted by Calindu last night.
Some will target torb. Torb will not burrow tonight. I'd rather he be tonight's NK than some later day's mislynch
In your grouping, I suspect 1 - 3 mafia. I don't like that at all.
I want good counter-theories on the mafia -quotes, arguments and everything- that does not involve me being mafia if you want me to take those suspects seriously. I know I'm not mafia. So far, I've been called so many insults by kaempfer13/shockcannon, that I have lost count. Is this supposed to make me townread them or some shit? Cause it isn't working. Of course I cannot be certain what alignment they have, I do not have access to that kind of information. But I'll be glad to lynch them as is.
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2020, 03:37:30 pm
But if half of them vote kaempf and the other half Annele and kaempf barely gets lynched, then they can blame mafia orchestration to convince everyone to keep voting Annele again the next day, while also being able to blame each other a bit to make sure they don’t give each other away.
And if Annele and kaempf are both town and they are our next two day lynches, then towns going to end up 7 players down with all 4 mafia still alive. They know if they can just pull off these next two lunches it’s game over. Especially since every town who is not Serprex, shock, kaempf, or Annele all place rob, torb, and Linkcat as high town reads. I can guarantee that at the VERY LEAST, there is one mafia within those 3.
Also the Annele being too hard to lynch is such bull crap I can’t believe that anyone who’s town could actually buy that. It’s a real telling sign when players who tend to use a lot of logic just throw it out the window when it comes to voting.
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 03:41:51 pm
\\go figure serp finds that town of me _shrug_
shock- it is a thing... It isn't always right otherwise the game is too easy\not fun. I'm willing to rethink somethings given enough reason.
Annele as town does look to make some sense if Link is mafia.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 03:42:34 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 03:46:19 pm
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
-snip-
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 03:51:38 pm
If kaempfer is town, then scum wasn't too tied up voting on Linkcat. In which case Annele must be town too. So what kaempfer flips actually gives info on whether you might go after Annele. If, and only if, kaempfer is scum. The same does not hold for what Annele flips
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 04:46:48 pm
You guys are all insane. So long as shock vouches for me and lives or flips town egg I shouldnt even be on the table for the lynch, no matter how outrageous you find the things I say.
You dont lynch someone you can mechanically confirm as town. Linkcat knows that, it was a big topic in his championship game. I dont even know wtf kind of mech clears other than the daja vus hes talking about when he's still ready to lynch me. If you look at his last night, you also see much more blatant attempts at rolefishing than I ever had.
(As for why i was arguing with MW about roles is it was blatantly obv what kind of roles he might have and he was spreading misinformation about what his role told him, probably by mistake. Btw, I wasnt poisoned n1 because I'm still alive. Besides the things you said dont make any sense in that scenario. Reread the op 10 times and ask Oa about everything before you make more mistakes)
You see, the issue is that you're basing your reason for survival on a random unexplained, uncorroborated shock claim, and that means nothing to me. As for rolefishing, I only asked for things that I believed would be more helpful to town than mafia.
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 04:50:13 pm
Hypothesis: Calindu, Torb are mafia green nymph and Anubis respectively. Cal actually targeted Torb n1, which allowed TorB to use his ability again tonight (on serp so it wouldnt be possible to save him in the future). TorB had no reason to fear the nightkill now, but regular targeting. There was 2 confirmed town, TorB is never going to be mechanically confirmable and this game isnt a solo experience where you have to live as long as possible anyway. So TorB pretended he would still going to be untargetable (which he actually was), discouraging town from attempting to target him, while Cal knew he could make TorBs cover as graboid more believable by claiming he targeted torb today, explaining his power to vote in the future even as burrowed graboid. However he forgot that he didnt have a particular good reason to target TorB.
I'm extremely reluctant to vote outside Link, Cal or Torb today.
Will strongly consider this if you flip town, it does explain why mafia Anubis was used on an off night.
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 04:54:24 pm
We can resolve this if two of shock/annele/kaempf/masterwalks/submachine have targettingThen who's today's lynch? You are settled in it being Link? I still think he's town. But I _know_ you're town. I still think Annele is mafia scum.
Some will target torb. Torb will not burrow tonight. I'd rather he be tonight's NK than some later day's mislynch
Link you've shaded Cal quite a bit without really trying to lynch him... Howcome? I know I've been the target if your scumread before when you're town and it is a serious pressure cooker experience. A few times this game you've mentioned going hard or a welcome return to playing mafia but you look different in some regards than the town!Link I've seen before...
\Tinfoil creeping in...
\\serp will scumread me for what will be framed as bussing
Cal is at least two days away, no point in pressuring hard now.
Post by: Submachine on May 28, 2020, 04:56:14 pm
1. iancudorinmarian: I used to have him at n- because of subtle, scummy things, but during EOD1, he came online and people told him to quickly place his vote, and he voted on serprex (one of the Deja Vu claims). This kind of joke/confusion would be bad for Mafia; they would not risk the negative attention this brings, or he would know better from his teammates. Now at n+.
2. TheonlyrealBeef: He is consistent with his mindset (he held true to his argument against N0 Otyugh throughout) and he also solves fairly often. He is one of the few people who read and react my walls, which is a plus. He leans v.
4. Annele: She made a few early comments that some people liked, but other than being logical, I found her arguments neutral. It looked like her wagon was the most vulnerable to an unorchestrated lynch, which implies she had no teammates to save her. Not enough to go on, so pure n.
5. kaempfer13: He seemed confused on multiple occasions; questioning what MW knows about him, rob's sudden vote switch during EOD1, and he also tried to solve. Looks like the usual townie confusion. He also suggested that shock might have him as confirmed town, but shock has yet to confirm it. He collected quite a number of bad attention to himself, but unless shock denies his credibility about the Fate GN thing, I give him the benefit of the doubt and put him in n+.
6. Calindu: Similar to Annele, except the almost dying part. Again, he had early comments that other people liked but I found neutral. Not enough to go on, and others also seem to only suspect him because of POE, so n.
7. Linkcat: He is the most active, attracts the most attention, and leads everyone to do what he thinks they should do. This is the opposite of what a mafia should do, but he is U N R E A D A B L E, so straight to n. He speaks confidently about knowing things, which is the opposite of the townie confusion that would be logical. Maybe he knows that not enough people would question him if he tried to pull this off as mafia. However, he is still a valuable asset in case he is Town, so keeping him alive longer is worth it.
10. serprex: If he was not Deja Vu, I would think he is n-, but he is Deja Vu.
11. MasterWalks: I would have said n- at first, because of some questions I had about him, but I get it now. The way he makes his plays, he's like a mirror of myself from my early days. Without revealing why, I think he leans v. I am very much looking forward to why he wanted my readlist so badly.
12. andretimpa: He was the leading train for the longest time during Day 1, yet barely anyone seemed to care to save him. Though I'm not sure if that's true, because a lot of O R C H E S T R A T I O N went down at EOD1, which eventually kept him alive. I only briefly saw he made a longer post today, but I did not have the time to process it yet, so n-.
13. rob77dp: He does the combination of planning, solving, and making mistakes/bad calls, all that scream town to me. His confusion about Linkcat during EOD1 seemed genuine, even if it was warranted. However, I am still cautious about him for past reasons. v for now.
14. shockcannon: I am one of the few people who care about what shock says, except when he tries to lynch one of the two people who I don't want to see lynched yet. He has his "bloc" with people who trust him, including Dejaprex. If I understood correctly, he makes plans for Town, but he also has the anti-town feat of seemingly knowing too much too early. His bravado explains the latter part, so he's n+ in my book.
15. killsdazombies: I dunno. n.
16. DoubleCapitals: Same as kdz, except he did the same thing once as scum!d2d did in the previous mafia: use an out-of-context snippet of a conversation and use it to attempt discrediting someone. Not too much to go on, but n-.
18. Ge0metry v1.2: His few posts don't stick out to me, other than relatively new to our current meta. Though as I remember, he joined by saying he played mafia before, but until I look at a past mafia where he played, he's n to me. (Fun fact: I wanted to target him before I looked at my role.)
And if I organize it, it looks as follows:
(Confirmed: serprex)
| v |
|
| n+ |
|
| n |
|
| n- |
|
| w |
@MW: The ball is now in your court.
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 05:04:01 pm
^ towniest post from rob so far. He just needs to realize Annele must be town if Linkcat's town. If Annele were scum, Linkcat would be dead. They could've even voted with y'all on timpa & then you wouldn't have that last minute panic to Annele when moe (confirmed town, btw) switched his vote to Linkcat last minute
Also, what's this "more info from voting Annele" theory? Linkcat wants Annele first because unconditionally he can go after kaempfer afterwards
If kaempfer is town, then scum wasn't too tied up voting on Linkcat. In which case Annele must be town too. So what kaempfer flips actually gives info on whether you might go after Annele. If, and only if, kaempfer is scum. The same does not hold for what Annele flips
Please elaborate on exactly which players would have shifted their votes as scum and exactly when they would have done so. If kaempfer is town then shock is almost definitely mafia, and he couldn't move his vote away from the bloc.
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 05:13:56 pm
I did not have the time to in-depth analyze the posts between the last post in my Wall Part 2 and today, so I will mostly rely on my memory for this.
1. iancudorinmarian: I used to have him at n- because of subtle, scummy things, but during EOD1, he came online and people told him to quickly place his vote, and he voted on serprex (one of the Deja Vu claims). This kind of joke/confusion would be bad for Mafia; they would not risk the negative attention this brings, or he would know better from his teammates. Now at n+.
2. TheonlyrealBeef: He is consistent with his mindset (he held true to his argument against N0 Otyugh throughout) and he also solves fairly often. He is one of the few people who read and react my walls, which is a plus. He leans v.
4. Annele: She made a few early comments that some people liked, but other than being logical, I found her arguments neutral. It looked like her wagon was the most vulnerable to an unorchestrated lynch, which implies she had no teammates to save her. Not enough to go on, so pure n.
5. kaempfer13: He seemed confused on multiple occasions; questioning what MW knows about him, rob's sudden vote switch during EOD1, and he also tried to solve. Looks like the usual townie confusion. He also suggested that shock might have him as confirmed town, but shock has yet to confirm it. He collected quite a number of bad attention to himself, but unless shock denies his credibility about the Fate GN thing, I give him the benefit of the doubt and put him in n+.
6. Calindu: Similar to Annele, except the almost dying part. Again, he had early comments that other people liked but I found neutral. Not enough to go on, and others also seem to only suspect him because of POE, so n.
7. Linkcat: He is the most active, attracts the most attention, and leads everyone to do what he thinks they should do. This is the opposite of what a mafia should do, but he is U N R E A D A B L E, so straight to n. He speaks confidently about knowing things, which is the opposite of the townie confusion that would be logical. Maybe he knows that not enough people would question him if he tried to pull this off as mafia. However, he is still a valuable asset in case he is Town, so keeping him alive longer is worth it.
10. serprex: If he was not Deja Vu, I would think he is n-, but he is Deja Vu.
11. MasterWalks: I would have said n- at first, because of some questions I had about him, but I get it now. The way he makes his plays, he's like a mirror of myself from my early days. Without revealing why, I think he leans v. I am very much looking forward to why he wanted my readlist so badly.
12. andretimpa: He was the leading train for the longest time during Day 1, yet barely anyone seemed to care to save him. Though I'm not sure if that's true, because a lot of O R C H E S T R A T I O N went down at EOD1, which eventually kept him alive. I only briefly saw he made a longer post today, but I did not have the time to process it yet, so n-.
13. rob77dp: He does the combination of planning, solving, and making mistakes/bad calls, all that scream town to me. His confusion about Linkcat during EOD1 seemed genuine, even if it was warranted. However, I am still cautious about him for past reasons. v for now.
14. shockcannon: I am one of the few people who care about what shock says, except when he tries to lynch one of the two people who I don't want to see lynched yet. He has his "bloc" with people who trust him, including Dejaprex. If I understood correctly, he makes plans for Town, but he also has the anti-town feat of seemingly knowing too much too early. His bravado explains the latter part, so he's n+ in my book.
15. killsdazombies: I dunno. n.
16. DoubleCapitals: Same as kdz, except he did the same thing once as scum!d2d did in the previous mafia: use an out-of-context snippet of a conversation and use it to attempt discrediting someone. Not too much to go on, but n-.
18. Ge0metry v1.2: His few posts don't stick out to me, other than relatively new to our current meta. Though as I remember, he joined by saying he played mafia before, but until I look at a past mafia where he played, he's n to me. (Fun fact: I wanted to target him before I looked at my role.)
And if I organize it, it looks as follows:
(Confirmed: serprex)
v
- TheonlyrealBeef
- MasterWalks
- rob77dp
n+
- iancudorinmarian
- kaempfer13
- shockcannon
n
- Annele
- Calindu
- Linkcat
- killsdazombies
- Ge0metry v1.2
n-
- andretimpa
- DoubleCapitals
w
@MW: The ball is now in your court.
Iancu's serprex vote was a placeholder to extend.
Annele was not the most vulnerable, she was the least vulnerable until andre showed up.
Giving credibility to kaempfer just because of shock is a mistake.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 05:17:28 pm
Why not start at shock?
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 05:33:58 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2020, 05:40:08 pm
Honestly, at this point in time we might just have to hope Linkcat is town. If he's mafia we already lost because it's very clear that everyone else puts him at the top of their town reads. At this point it seems like everyone is just going to lynch kaempfer and then Annele the next day, or vice versa, regardless of what either of them flip. At that point you'll probably be NK'ed, and then I'll be NK'ed and then it's pretty much game over.
Our best bet at this point might be convincing everyone to vote someone like torb or Calindu, both who I'm not confident are mafia but at least are way more likely to be mafia than Annele or kaempfer.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 05:49:16 pm
If Torb's really Shrieker I'm willing to go all in on him being town. There's a world where Calindu is town green nymph & Torb is scum graboid, but I'm willing to lose in that world
It's possible scum!Calindu targetted not-torb Anubis N0, & torb N1
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 05:52:21 pm
@MW: The ball is now in your court.
Hate to be a debbie downer but the read i was interested in ended up being uninteresting. (thanks for taking it seriously tho)
I will not be hardclaiming yet. I WILL claim that i am NOT FFQ
I need another night phase before info dumping.
I would like to suggest some night actions, but after lynch.
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Willing to bet he is Anubis
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 05:56:25 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 28, 2020, 05:56:58 pm
For your own sakeBefore I compress my thougths, let me know which parts were more useful. Especially after this comment:and frankly ours toodon't spend so much time on it xD. Summarise, tell us the most alarming things... 6 hours is kinda unhealthy for achildren's cardforum gameSub's really grasping at like, a lot of things. Some of which I find largely insignificant and I feel he's swamping the conversation with
I told it ahead of time that it will be a wall of questions, rather than a wall of answers. Until then, I only know full scan.
But I realize it more and more that I will never reach up-to-date conversations if I keep going in this pace. I tried to avoid it, but I may have to start ISO-ing people one by one.
I really want to make an educated decision on kaempfer, so I will start with him. Shock has posted at least twice now, and I don't see him defending kaempf.
edit: And I guess rob wanted an EOD1 analysis too.
A bit disappointed. :/@MW: The ball is now in your court.Hate to be a debbie downer but the read i was interested in ended up being uninteresting.
Post by: Calindu on May 28, 2020, 05:58:20 pm
Prefer going after Calindu over Torb. Torb being checked is more useful
If Torb's really Shrieker I'm willing to go all in on him being town. There's a world where Calindu is town green nymph & Torb is scum graboid, but I'm willing to lose in that world
It's possible scum!Calindu targetted not-torb Anubis N0, & torb N1
Why would I adrenaline town!TorB as scum!Calindu then? It literally makes no sense and would be game losing.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 06:03:19 pm
MW just hard claim Dragonfly already
You know what, i think i will.
I hardclaim dragonfly.
I targetted kaempf N0. He was visited by shock. He did not visit anybody.
I targeted Link N1. He was targeted by sub. He targeted DC.
I am bad at this.
I wanted subs read on Link. I wanted to know if he is psion and found anything interesting.
If kaempf flips town, i would be willing to bet shock is town. However i truly believe kaempf is anubis..
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 06:07:53 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 28, 2020, 06:10:21 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 06:13:15 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 06:13:39 pm
I'm not sure how you got the part that kae is mafia Anubis, to be honest, wouldn't you Anubis one of your mafia teammates or yourself on the spot in that case? Kae didn't target anyone according to your claims.
He didnt target anyone N0, but serp hardclaimed D1. Meaning he hit serp with it N1.
No i dont think he would use it right off the bat N0, that would be very very sus. Its an EoR and him waiting until N1 to use it looks like it was the right move, until it was discovered
Post by: Calindu on May 28, 2020, 06:17:59 pm
I'm not sure how you got the part that kae is mafia Anubis, to be honest, wouldn't you Anubis one of your mafia teammates or yourself on the spot in that case? Kae didn't target anyone according to your claims.
He didnt target anyone N0, but serp hardclaimed D1. Meaning he hit serp with it N1.
I'm honestly confused, help me out there. How did you reach the hard conclusion that kae is the Anubis that targeted serp because of your abilities? Nothing I read indicates that, maybe I missed something.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 06:19:22 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 06:22:58 pm
If Torb's really Shrieker I'm willing to go all in on him being town. There's a world where Calindu is town green nymph & Torb is scum graboid, but I'm willing to lose in that world
I'm not.
If kaempf is Anubis, that clears Calindu.
It does not.
Kaempfer claim first, then shock. Correct, serp?
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 06:24:59 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 06:29:15 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 07:12:34 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 07:16:13 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 07:19:07 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 07:20:27 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 28, 2020, 07:34:33 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 07:39:49 pm
Like how could he ever think that shock targetting me with anything would proof anything?
Alright, everyone else has seen and acknowledged that i made a bad read AND CORRECTED it. Now for some reason, you cant get over it, so i guess ill explain my thought process; at the risk of proving im stupid rather than just playing the im stupid character.
After i targetted you, and saw that shock targetted you, HE SAYS HE TOWNREADS YOU made me think he knew something. Maybe he was FE and rolled GN. Maybe he hit you with Psion and saw you had important role. Anything. But i was willing to believe him. Now i retracted this heavy read when i remembered shock is not really that normal and coulda hit you with GOTP or toadfish and wanted to wait until you had more info or until he could call you a noob for dying to poison (does that really sound that far-fetched?)
I legit asked mod about my roles speed and asked about whether or not mafia actually had to target someone, how many of them are needed to target and kill, and if i could see that targetting. Becuase IF I COULD, SHOCK WOULD BE CONFIRMED TOWN FOR ME.
But Dragonfly cant see NK target. So then i really learned nothing from the N0 action other than shock and you are not the same primary; and even that could be wrong.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 07:42:29 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 07:43:00 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 08:09:19 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 28, 2020, 08:16:26 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 08:18:09 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 08:20:27 pm
... Just me?
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 28, 2020, 08:24:17 pm
Then why post?You haven't noticed what is going on? I am disappoint.
It means I'm not mafia, because I'd have executed a better plan.
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 08:24:39 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 28, 2020, 08:27:24 pm
TorB - do you also read it as nk being stopped by immaterial? Immaterial'd is only stopping secondaries and nk is listed separate from the secondary abilities list.No, it's not that.
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 08:27:45 pm
TorB - do you also read it as nk being stopped by immaterial? Immaterial'd is only stopping secondaries and nk is listed separate from the secondary abilities list.I'm an idiot. Interpreted exactly backward. Redacted.
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 08:33:04 pm
I also just noticed something seriously messed up about serprex getting targeted by a mafia Anubis (if this is indeed the case), but I'd rather not inform mafia about that for now. Seems like whomever planned this out isn't as insightful as me.
I mean, if you think the mafia doesn't realize they messed up, why inform them that they did?
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 28, 2020, 08:40:13 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 08:41:13 pm
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 08:42:15 pm
Linkcat's correct to not like gunshy sader claim
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 28, 2020, 08:47:39 pm
Anubis takes priority over Guardian Angel, so using it at the same night and target as the nightkill would have rendered the target unable to reveal being targeted by Anubis, while still being immune to healing.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 08:52:38 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 08:53:07 pm
Curious how kaempfer explains not using endow last night
Linkcat's correct to not like gunshy sader claim
I was hoping to get a vulture with it; it was only after the deadline that i realized there was no drawback to targeting someone that wasnt supposed to be targetable anyway
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 08:59:16 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 09:03:09 pm
Curious how kaempfer explains not using endow last night
Linkcat's correct to not like gunshy sader claim
I was hoping to get a vulture with it; it was only after the deadline that i realized there was no drawback to targeting someone that wasnt supposed to be targetable anyway
Can someone explain to me how you planned on hitting vulture?
you cant target dead vulture as vulture is the only ability that targets dead. So did you expect someone to claim vulture? Claiming vulture is a death sentence and vulture is too important, especially this game, for that to ever happen.
Did you plan on just getting lucky rolling the dice? Because those chances are very low, as there is a high chance, there is no vulture this game.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 09:06:13 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 09:06:47 pm
Cal, please claim n0 target.
Post by: Calindu on May 28, 2020, 09:09:01 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 09:21:45 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2020, 09:24:22 pm
kaempfer13 (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - serprex, Annele
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 09:25:34 pm
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 09:31:08 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 09:35:22 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 09:42:00 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 10:15:17 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 28, 2020, 10:18:25 pm
So, kae is claiming a crusadery boi, but he claims to have not used his ability to try and get a vulture with it. Idk if that alone screams mafia or just a deeply flawed plan, but thats his case, is that correct?
kae is also claiming to be confirmed by shock, but i never quite understood how or why that happened, im sure its buried somewhere in the thread, but if anyone has a basic "this and this" I'd appreciate it
it also seems that that confirmation has shifted uhhh dramatically. Why is that? If its some backroom serp/moe stuff thats fine, but Im just curious how we got here. I knew kae was on the susblock, but this has been... interesting.
Haha, the reason im on the chopping block is because 3+ mafia are putting full effort into it. There is actually a chance im fully confirmed town already (who knows whatshocks doing). Even if not there is sth in my iso thats a deadgiveaway that im town, unfortunately it becomes wifom if im the one to point it out.The reason I was waiting for someone to claim vulture is we have an egg that is not a priority nk and we might have more vultures.also literally any other role is barely more than fluff unless you can catch someone in a lie.However, this is enough for me rn. Open to change, as im not 100% sold on it, but its probably our most likely wolf atm, even if this is a bit of a bandwagon vote
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
side note, ill be gone around EoD tomorrow, so if theres any revaluations, id really prefer if they weren't made during an EoD madness phase.
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 10:20:36 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 28, 2020, 10:22:16 pm
But I've been saving all my best revelations for EoD. :(
how about 2 hours before eod? <3
Side note and completely out of game, I really enjoy your cross between shitposts and actual content. Sometimes the actual content gets long, as i would expect from this kind of game, but the shit posts are so choice I gotta read all of it so I dont miss something funny.
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 10:23:49 pm
Annele still scum I think. Link hope you have something really juicy to stop my tinfoil.........
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 10:25:05 pm
But I've been saving all my best revelations for EoD. :(
how about 2 hours before eod? <3
Side note and completely out of game, I really enjoy your cross between shitposts and actual content. Sometimes the actual content gets long, as i would expect from this kind of game, but the shit posts are so choice I gotta read all of it so I dont miss something funny.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 10:25:50 pm
@MW
serprex is confirmed
kaempf to me is confirmed based on N0
If you think I'm mafia that's fine but I see no issues from my own viewpoint in budding up with the only 2 players (well there's also moe) that I know are town.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 10:31:57 pm
God i hope thats false. Shock as FFQ is disgusting
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 10:33:42 pm
if anyone caught one, speak up. otherwise im willing to bet there is no ffq. Kae woulda caught one for sure if he never used his ability and was targetted with one
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 10:37:30 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 28, 2020, 10:38:52 pm
Kdz with the early late bus? If Kae flips scum... No credit from me on that vote kills.I agree about if kae flips scum. 100%, I dont really think it should be offered as a read for anyone past the conf townie.
Annele still scum I think. Link hope you have something really juicy to stop my tinfoil.........
@serp, thanks, ill read around that post. The quote is invaluable. Thank you.
@rob - a piece of correction, I dont think kae is 100% scum, but they were already on rocky ground, and they imploded a little bit after a fair amount of pressure. Plus, shock the person who confirmed(?) has come around, so I see no reason why I shouldnt either. I wouldnt be all that surprised if they flipped town, probably 75/25 atm?
on annele scum. I don't know, perhaps? I've been reading annele as n- for most of the game, nothing has really changed that. The initial hit on you raised some flags, and even their backing down did too, but all the posts have felt genuine and fairly calm. I would say I wanna see how the night plays out and work from there, but atm with the information and thoughts i currently have I wouldnt feel confident in an ann vote.
Post by: serprex on May 28, 2020, 10:43:02 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 10:46:20 pm
Kdz with the early late bus? If Kae flips scum... No credit from me on that vote kills.
Annele still scum I think. Link hope you have something really juicy to stop my tinfoil.........
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/84697818/hewwo-funny-tentacle-man-can-i-haz-you-as-fwen.jpg)
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 10:52:35 pm
The revelation thing was a joke if it wasn't obvious to anyone.
Nobody gets credit for voting kaempfer today unless Annele flips town.
quote author=kaempfer13 link=topic=67825.msg1298073#msg1298073 date=1590705450]
Sure lynch me so this farce is over; just promise me you lynch Linkcat once you know you can trust me; Also have a real close look on TorB and Cal. Honestly it might be best to lynch me as until you see the flip i think how loudly i'm proclaiming that these 3 are scum is actually having the opposite effect. I'm not gonna try to defend myself from this loltown, its just not worth my breath. Rest of the day will be spent on making pretty big cases on these 3 and how they fit together. If they are scum and you dont lynch them Ill kill you
[/quote]
ATE is one of the worst things about mafia because you never know if it's real or not.
Post by: killsdazombies on May 28, 2020, 10:55:44 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2020, 10:56:26 pm
Do you want me to reveal? I can definitely save you, but I'm pretty sure town's best chance of winning at this point is for you to die now.
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 10:58:33 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2020, 11:01:00 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 28, 2020, 11:01:37 pm
what is ATEappeals to emotion
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 11:02:32 pm
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 28, 2020, 11:05:32 pm
@kaempf
Do you want me to reveal? I can definitely save you, but I'm pretty sure town's best chance of winning at this point is for you to die now.
I'm having troubles deducing what shock is hinting at here, what role could he be that would save kaemp? I thought there was only one GN in the game and it was www3 (rip)
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2020, 11:07:09 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 28, 2020, 11:24:05 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2020, 11:25:12 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 01:19:25 am
I WANT TO
BELIEVE
BELIEVE
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 03:28:01 am
Some loose reads list... it feels off or awkward given the EOD1 at first glance, but looking just a little closer I think the bottom four here could make sense if you believe that kdz really was just unable to be at EOD, Cal wasn't able to get a vote in edge-wise as he stated, and kae was stuck in a whirlwind EOD as a wolf without his sidekicks to sway votes so he stayed where it made sense to try to save buddy Annele. That is, three wolves were not truly present at EOD1 and one was paralyzed a bit - kae posted a few times so was present I would say but was not up for moving a vote or anything while most everyone else that was present+active did some vote moving and solving/discussing/participating.
Without a flip on Day 1 there just a bit too little information compared to typical Day 2's... vote analysis needs more names we can color to get more concrete, for my taste.
serprex
vv
MasterWalks
Submachine
v
iancudorinmarian
andretimpa
shockcannon
n+
TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat
n-
DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2
w
killsdazombies
kaempfer13
Calindu
ww
Annele
Post by: andretimpa on May 29, 2020, 03:48:07 am
vv
serp
duh
v
MW
I'm having an aneurism trying to understand how someone backed by a team would be making these types of mistakes. I was scumreading him before, but for now I'm more convinced that he's just an incompetent townie :sillyspin: (can very easily change depending on how people flip)
n+
Ge0
I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt about being new, but I expect more content on the next days, or he'll be going down in the list. What he has post so far has been on the neutral side
rob
I'm not ready to completely remove my tinfoil hat about rob just yet. This theory is the main reason:
but then again I like that he's still second guessing himself about trusting Link (that's a very wise behaviour imo)
Mafia has an anubis. That anubis has secured NK on me (to be refunded whenever) to prevent Heal blocking
Either rob is town fate egg psion who was blocked due to that immaterial, or rob's anubis scum & came up with a "I was actually psion" story to cover for his night action. If link/rob are w/w, link's plans would be created after he knows rob's anubis roll to setup that play
but then again I like that he's still second guessing himself about trusting Link (that's a very wise behaviour imo)
n
Link
I don't think it's wise to put Link higher than n unless there is mechanical confirmation, this guy is just too hard to read.
ian/kdz/DC
Not enough content to get a read. This better change soon.
Sub
I really don't understand his style so far, but apparently that's his normal. Will have to try to get a read of him out of votes I guess
n-
torb
There's a bit of WIFOM about the way he'd have used Anubis, but I have to think a bit more about this and his possible connection with Cal. Personally I'm more inclined to believe he's town!shrieker. This could change if kaemp flips town, but for now just a light scum lean.
Cal
This is just an association read with torb. Apart from the Green Nymph stuff he hasn't posted much (which makes sense in retrospect as keeping low due to his role + IRL work)
shock
- Seems to be holding info that could help kaemp
- Has "confirmed" kaemp yet is voting for him
- Vouches for my biggest scumreads
Either he's insanely deep inside his tinfoil, or he's scum and miscalculated how much MW would be disruptive to his kaemp claim (after all, even kaemp's egg+GN theory and kaemp being town don't mechanicaly confirm shock, since mafia can be egg)
Annele
After rereading her D1 stuff and the rest of the things she posted I think I might have been a bit hasty with my previous scum read. The most damning avidence against her is the way EOD1 developped (which I admit I don't know how to make a good read of). So I'm moving her from w to n- until more evidence shows up.
w
kaemp
See my previous post
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 03:51:34 am
What did you read or see from kae that took you from a very loose n+ on kae to today being confused, while knowing a surprising amount of what kae is doing - are you all caught up?
It just reads like quite a lot of talk about kae leading to your vote on him - who else do you currently suspect besides kae??
Alright, so Im a touch confused by the redoubling on kae.
So, kae is claiming a crusadery boi, but he claims to have not used his ability to try and get a vulture with it. Idk if that alone screams mafia or just a deeply flawed plan, but thats his case, is that correct?
kae is also claiming to be confirmed by shock, but i never quite understood how or why that happened, im sure its buried somewhere in the thread, but if anyone has a basic "this and this" I'd appreciate it
it also seems that that confirmation has shifted uhhh dramatically. Why is that? If its some backroom serp/moe stuff thats fine, but Im just curious how we got here. I knew kae was on the susblock, but this has been... interesting.Haha, the reason im on the chopping block is because 3+ mafia are putting full effort into it. There is actually a chance im fully confirmed town already (who knows whatshocks doing). Even if not there is sth in my iso thats a deadgiveaway that im town, unfortunately it becomes wifom if im the one to point it out.The reason I was waiting for someone to claim vulture is we have an egg that is not a priority nk and we might have more vultures.also literally any other role is barely more than fluff unless you can catch someone in a lie.However, this is enough for me rn. Open to change, as im not 100% sold on it, but its probably our most likely wolf atm, even if this is a bit of a bandwagon vote
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
side note, ill be gone around EoD tomorrow, so if theres any revaluations, id really prefer if they weren't made during an EoD madness phase.
Hi. This is me rising from my grave. Ill be on the level with you, I skimmed the truly massive quote walls because I CBA.
A lot this stuff is just general feelings. I know very little and my rust is showing a bit more than Id like. I usually spend most of my in person games just talking shit, but I find myself lost in the walls of text to analyze.
serp (vv)
moe (vv)
Confirmed, which is nice
Sub (n+)
Oh this is the sub I remember
kaemp (n+)
Got good feelings about the lad. No idea why, but everything sounds earnest.
Ge0 (n+)
Just doing they're own thing, but trying to respond when questioned. Feels normal.
shock (n+)
I really appreciate the sheer chaotic energy that radiates from every post. Please continue. Also, they're doing what I do IRL, just in text form. 12/10
DC (n)
More shitposting please
ian (n)
I dont disagree with anything they say. The comments on skimming the thread and the general low content to each post (just a sentence or two) gives me a "Town who CBA give 110%" but could very well be a mafia trying to slip under the radar
Cal (n)
Im not getting a read. No calls for action, just advising caution.
Annele (?)
Scumread rob hard. As rob pointed out, theyre initial hit felt odd, but the back down felt real. IDK, I have my reservations.
MW (?)
I dont know what it is, but something just feels off. I haven't quite put my finger one what it is exactly.
andretimpa (?)
Similarly, something just feels off, but I can't tell if thats just because /everyone/ is sus of timpa, or if theyre actually scum. Everything they do just screams neutral ground to me, which I know is ironic coming from an equally neutral list.
I just default don't listen to anything these three say because they could sell water to a fish.
rob ()
While I generally don't like the feeling of shooting players N0. I think it was correct but it makes me :////
torb ()
Feels a little aggro in spots, but if I recall thats pretty on brand.
Link ()
The banter is fun, please continue. It makes catching up fun.
I'm going to hold back on voting for now, but I do intend to cast a vote before the day is up. I just want some more time to think.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 09:57:32 am
As promised, the rest of my freetime day will be spent on the following five parter:
1. why calindu is scum
2. why TorB is scum
3. Why Linkcat is scum (boy, so many reasons, I might skip this one or shorten it)
4 How these guys being scum fits together.
5. Remaining townreads and suspects (c'mon guys I'm not the messiah)
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 10:08:14 am
Also, despite scumreading Linkcat he doesnt vote for him at any point. (ok getting ahead of myself, this and the green nymph targeting Anubis thing mostly belong into part 4).
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 10:09:49 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 10:23:40 am
"Mechanical confirmed" with the people involved in Linkcat's theories reeks like a pile of crap and hoping for persuasion by complete intimidation, so there's a nice angle of attack if you need one. I am of the opinion that he should not have sufficient information to build such complicated theories N1.
My reads keep flipping because they strongly depend on whether Linkcat is mafia or not. The fact that he wants to keep targeting the least active suspect means we really don't get much information from those lynches at all. Even now, not joining the kaempfer13 lynch seems like an elaborate scheme to get me to join his lynch vote on another mislynch first.
I am paranoid, so I have tons of alternate theories. Seems only fitting for a game like this, no?
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 02:01:39 pm
Post by: Annele on May 29, 2020, 02:16:37 pm
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
I'm about to go to sleep so I won't be any use at end of day.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 04:12:08 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 04:18:49 pm
I'd really like to get a situation with Annele wagon in range of Kae - we HAVE to have a flip today... but I want to be able to reasonably expect some activity so that wolves feel a need to engage and act, with the hopes we can deduce who is acting wolf (now and\or later).
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 04:22:38 pm
It's either kaempfer vs Linkcat, or we wait for the flip. As pointed out, very little info added since EOD1, even NK just confirmed confirmed town
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 04:27:07 pm
You were willing to sheep\vote on Annele last day... How about now??
serp- I'm going to be upset if Annele is scum that I've tried to push for many days and I let off the gas now. Is Link a wagon that could happen today even? How many votes on Kae are just parked and the player is going to ghost this EOD?
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 04:35:18 pm
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Only one way to find out, if you want lynch vote activity that badly.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 04:45:10 pm
1. You went of on a tangent wrt whether oty should use its ability ever and simultaneously accomplished the following things:
- It shaded rob
- You completely distracted me and others and since people aren't very mechsavvy here actually even managed to give people the impression that I'm the one thats wrong
- it seems people actually found you towny for writing that
2. You found a way to always make your scumreads coincide with having a reason to lynch the most lynchable person at the time ( see http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297317/#msg1297317 for details). You actually packaged the reasoning quite well, it's just how triumphant you made the conclusion that andre by association to rob should be lynched and didnt think to prioritize rob in this context that tipped me off. Good job at cheering town on lynching their own mates!
This is the big point in fact.
3. You disguised your role well as graboid, giving a perfectly logical conclusion how you are not targetable as Anubis without raising suspicion. Only flaw in that was how much you prioritized not getting targeted n1. This doesnt match your mindset from your towngame at all, where you were even glad when you finally died after a job well done, when there were better roles around (in this game those would be 2 conftown, 0 chance that you'd die and much lower chance to get targeted by a green nymph that doesnt have a way of knowing that youd be targetable unless mafia)
Another flaw in that is how we know serprex was targeted by Anubis while town!Anubis should have 0 reason to target conftown with no active ability (no way they get eaten by an oty, very well possible they get targeted by a heal; ofc this assumes competent town, which may be a stretch tbh). No, i dont buy you would have realized/cared that anubis outprioritizes heal. This way if moe got healed he would still be guarantedd dead next round and your Anubis ability would be free for use on a teammate. besides, you only realized that later on.
More importantly, mafia anubis should be going for the graboid disguise (see like ginyu here http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1291062/#msg1291062) as you did asap and thus not be able to use his ability on n1 unless adrenalined.
May find more dirt, but it's enough for now.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 04:55:14 pm
Has been poking around who people were ready to lynch more so than try to find his own solutions until i called him out. Very noncomittal to townreads/not having any until he had people firmly on his side that he'd happily keep around (stark contrast to his much lower effort town game and very similiar to his scum game). Pushed many mechanical reasons that are not true, instrumentalising them for pushes/getting townread and while many of you struggle to understand that, I know that Linkcat knows these things better, as they were very relevant in past scum games for him. Active rolefishing for people (during night) on the (low) offchance they might get eaten by another overeager oty, while keeping roles close to your chest is optimal unless you have information or are in immediate threat of dying or have to explain things observed by another claim.
His wagon was very pure, which i and shock have the unique position to be able to be very confident on, while you guys need my flip for that. With conftown doing him in and other people easily able to hop on it would be incredibly risky for scum to try and fail to save him there, especially since I think some of them where completely incapable of doing so due to timing/roleclaim.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 05:03:48 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 05:08:56 pm
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarianonce I get in a computer shortly I'm down to do some wagonetics.
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Only one way to find out, if you want lynch vote activity that badly.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 05:14:26 pm
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
I'll vote with shock on kae if shock drops the "I can confirm kae but okay let's infolynch" spiel
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 05:28:02 pm
Only flaw in that was how much you prioritized not getting targeted n1. This doesnt match your mindset from your towngame at all, where you were even glad when you finally died after a job well done, when there were better roles around (in this game those would be 2 conftown, 0 chance that you'd die and much lower chance to get targeted by a green nymph that doesnt have a way of knowing that youd be targetable unless mafia)In the case of Linkcat being town and Annele/andre being scum it's better to let confirmed town that votes along with scum die, from my point of view. I lynch-vote people for believing they are scum. This is not the impression I got from the moehrpi/serprex votes. You can dislike my play style as much as you want, but it won't change the fact I'm town.
Another flaw in that is how we know serprex was targeted by Anubis while town!Anubis should have 0 reason to target conftown with no active ability (no way they get eaten by an oty, very well possible they get targeted by a heal; ofc this assumes competent town, which may be a stretch tbh). No, i dont buy you would have realized/cared that anubis outprioritizes heal. This way if moe got healed he would still be guarantedd dead next round and your Anubis ability would be free for use on a teammate. besides, you only realized that later on.Except I'm not Anubis, and I can be targeted next night to prove it.
More importantly, mafia anubis should be going for the graboid disguise (see like ginyu here http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1291062/#msg1291062) as you did asap and thus not be able to use his ability on n1 unless adrenalined.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 05:39:51 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 05:44:55 pm
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Let's play ball.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 05:45:21 pm
Linkcat: Neither of his teammates was able to vote near the deadline iirc (TorB claiming graboid and Calindu not being online iirc), besides ian and sub expressed readiness to save Link anyway, so not really necessary. Obv I have no idea who the 4th is.
The rest of them are very connected through the Anubis theory obv. Also Cal supporting TorB through claiming he was targetable.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 05:46:17 pm
Why did your N1 plan so easily dismiss Psioin and suggest a tinfoil-elimination target? A great mind for this game like town!Link surely has could have come up with something not "game is solved anyway" right? (I take the blame for following the plan in so far as I too was not really able to surely discern a better use for my Psionic Link......)
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 05:46:50 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 05:48:07 pm
Anyway the synergy:So you would be in a world where timpa and Annele are town from your Link/TorB/Cal scumread position, right? That is, you want Link as the lynch now b/c you scumread him from his play - would you agree also that clear Annele Day 1? (I could see a world where Annele was a last ditch effort to save himself EVEN IF ANNELE is scum... how do you, or anyone, read that?)
Linkcat: Neither of his teammates was able to vote near the deadline iirc (TorB claiming graboid and Calindu not being online iirc), besides ian and sub expressed readiness to save Link anyway, so not really necessary. Obv I have no idea who the 4th is.
The rest of them are very connected through the Anubis theory obv. Also Cal supporting TorB through claiming he was targetable.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 05:50:28 pm
How do you read Link's scum-read of Cal then, if you see them w/w?
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 05:51:50 pm
The problem with that, is that the timpa train had a lead, no idea why they suddenly switched to an Annele train. Might be interesting to look into.Anyway the synergy:So you would be in a world where timpa and Annele are town from your Link/TorB/Cal scumread position, right? That is, you want Link as the lynch now b/c you scumread him from his play - would you agree also that clear Annele Day 1? (I could see a world where Annele was a last ditch effort to save himself EVEN IF ANNELE is scum... how do you, or anyone, read that?)
Linkcat: Neither of his teammates was able to vote near the deadline iirc (TorB claiming graboid and Calindu not being online iirc), besides ian and sub expressed readiness to save Link anyway, so not really necessary. Obv I have no idea who the 4th is.
The rest of them are very connected through the Anubis theory obv. Also Cal supporting TorB through claiming he was targetable.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 05:52:39 pm
Also, note that Sub voted timpa to save Link near-ish EOD1, then supposed to vanish like less than 90 seconds from EOD (seriously WTF on that) but a yell from Link got Sub trying to change to Annele to save Link. I guess a scummon read there might be in order if Link is scum (to your question kae about who is #4 in your world of Link/TorB/Cal).Also, I don't see anything that prevents it from being kdz as your #4, or Ge0 ??
How do you read Link's scum-read of Cal then, if you see them w/w?
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 05:54:05 pm
Because I was trying to be a strong presence (hopefully was?) and had stated my direct desire for Annele over andre the last half-hour or so of the day... scum team maybe trying to follow me as I was def leading the anti-Link wagon pushes on timpa and Annele. So if they feel I am wanting Annele their best bet is to also go with me?? Dunno exactly I guess, I only have so much info to base these hypothesis on.The problem with that, is that the timpa train had a lead, no idea why they suddenly switched to an Annele train. Might be interesting to look into.Anyway the synergy:So you would be in a world where timpa and Annele are town from your Link/TorB/Cal scumread position, right? That is, you want Link as the lynch now b/c you scumread him from his play - would you agree also that clear Annele Day 1? (I could see a world where Annele was a last ditch effort to save himself EVEN IF ANNELE is scum... how do you, or anyone, read that?)
Linkcat: Neither of his teammates was able to vote near the deadline iirc (TorB claiming graboid and Calindu not being online iirc), besides ian and sub expressed readiness to save Link anyway, so not really necessary. Obv I have no idea who the 4th is.
The rest of them are very connected through the Anubis theory obv. Also Cal supporting TorB through claiming he was targetable.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 05:57:02 pm
(Link is going to have to get on and start posting and playing a town game too if he wants to keep most posts in his court 8-) )
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 06:10:20 pm
- Annele came very close to getting lynched day 1 and was one of the earliest ones to receive any votes and has almost maintained votes on her.
- Linkcat and andre were all leading votes close to the deadline. If Annele was mafia, it would have been very easy to add votes on Linkcat or andre and make sure Annele never came close to dying.
- Literally no one, except for me, was giving defenses for Annele being town. If Annele was mafia and at risk of dying, you would expect to see at least a few people defending her, or at the very least, deflecting attention elsewhere. Yet she was always a frontrunner of discussion despite barely posting.
Excuse #1 Refuted:
Now you might say, "well what if her mafia buddies are shock and kaempfer." They were already voting on Linkcat and that's why they couldn't go to save her. WELL THEN WHY THE HECK WOULDNT WE JUST SWAP OUR VOTE OVER TO ANDRE????????????? Not to mention, kaempfer and I stuck our vote on Linkcat rather early and never moved. Everyone else around us moved but not us.
Excuse #2 Refuted:
"Well maybe andretimpa is a mafia also." Then why the heck did andretimpa vote Annele at the very end of the period, almost guaranteeing her death if Sub hadn't been late. If andre and Annele are both mafia they would've voted Linkcat. End of story. GG. But that didn't happen.
So now, we come across the only possible scenario in which Annele is mafia...:
...and that's if andretimpa, Annele, and Linkcat are all 3 mafia. And how ridiculous does that sound? Are mafia really that bad that they got town to vote up 3/4 mafia members to the chopping block day 1???? Are they really making the gutsy play to all almost die in order to secure themselves for the long run??? I don't think so. The latter doesn't even work because several players were reading both Annele and andre as mafia day 1.
So in conclusion, Annele legitimately can't be mafia. I don't understand how so many people choose to view "inactivity and suspicious posts" as more important than the only data we have, which is voting from day 1.
Oh by the way, would you like to know who placed the first Annele vote ever and started her train to begin with? It was Linkcat.
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:12:04 pm
I'm willing to entertain the possibilities of Calindu and/or Linkcat mafia, but the only two ways I can be convinced that kaempfer13 is town is either by lynch, or by lynching Linkcat and having him flip mafia.
"Mechanical confirmed" with the people involved in Linkcat's theories reeks like a pile of crap and hoping for persuasion by complete intimidation, so there's a nice angle of attack if you need one. I am of the opinion that he should not have sufficient information to build such complicated theories N1.
My reads keep flipping because they strongly depend on whether Linkcat is mafia or not. The fact that he wants to keep targeting the least active suspect means we really don't get much information from those lynches at all. Even now, not joining the kaempfer13 lynch seems like an elaborate scheme to get me to join his lynch vote on another mislynch first.
I am paranoid, so I have tons of alternate theories. Seems only fitting for a game like this, no?
Nowhere did I say that anyone besides serp and moe were mechanically confirmed, I said they were 100% confirmed, which means that I will ride-or-die with them until the end of the game and it would be a losing play for us to lynch them. At the start of the day I said Annele would definitely give us more information, at this point kaempfer might be close but I still prefer Annele.
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 06:12:46 pm
@mafia
Come at me. When you play with the master of :fire, you get burned.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:13:40 pm
ALright, so I'm not lynching kae today.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:14:34 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 06:18:00 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2020, 06:18:22 pm
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Hope you're actually truthful this time, shock.
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 06:18:58 pm
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Hope you're actually truthful this time, shock.
Fixing the count.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:20:08 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:20:27 pm
Link-
Why did your N1 plan so easily dismiss Psioin and suggest a tinfoil-elimination target? A great mind for this game like town!Link surely has could have come up with something not "game is solved anyway" right? (I take the blame for following the plan in so far as I too was not really able to surely discern a better use for my Psionic Link......)
I stand by what I said.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:22:30 pm
The first vote on kae looks to have been serp lock-town... then TorB in deference to this being better than a Cal wagon... then shock being shock and who I now believe to be town.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:23:20 pm
Any reason you want to vote out of nowhere (no posting, just watching??) once kae is GN claimed town by shock? Why not Annele?
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 06:24:16 pm
I guess if you keep calling everything mechanical, things start to blur.Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.
But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.
Probably also relevant for rob, this post.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:24:25 pm
Also, note that Sub voted timpa to save Link near-ish EOD1, then supposed to vanish like less than 90 seconds from EOD (seriously WTF on that) but a yell from Link got Sub trying to change to Annele to save Link. I guess a scummon read there might be in order if Link is scum (to your question kae about who is #4 in your world of Link/TorB/Cal).
How do you read Link's scum-read of Cal then, if you see them w/w?
If Sub and I were mafia I'd be communicating with him in the pad, not making a post that he could easily miss. If Cal were my partner I would have had him switch to Annele earlier. If Torb were my partner he wouldn't have supported me openly that much at EoD since he couldn't vote.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:25:08 pm
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarianAlso, is this a real reaction Cal? Sounds almost a bit like deflated scum having to move off town without really knowing how to react as a town would. If you're really unsure if shock is truthsaying then I'd expect more aggressive push back like yo umean it, and if you're just trying to fake doubting it b/c it feels scummy to just blindly react as believing a town confirmation claim... well.
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Hope you're actually truthful this time, shock.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:26:29 pm
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:27:24 pm
What I'm getting at by pushing around outside of kae is that it is obvious the game at-large probably OK with lynching kae. But what I see of him today is much more effort than I typically see a wolf put in to their posting and naming others on a day where it is VERY likely and completely plausible that they die. He is still focusing outside himself while most wolves get into "protect myself and talk about others/teammates as little as possible" mode. :-/ YMMV of course.
(Link is going to have to get on and start posting and playing a town game too if he wants to keep most posts in his court 8-) )
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/HyRTyDbr8vjGw/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47573382bfedec375838313ff9924829e65ae9d7b5&rid=giphy.gif)
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:27:42 pm
So eager to find the first person to go after to change his vote. So scummy
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:27:56 pm
with intent to kill.
What I'm getting at by pushing around outside of kae is that it is obvious the game at-large probably OK with lynching kae. But what I see of him today is much more effort than I typically see a wolf put in to their posting and naming others on a day where it is VERY likely and completely plausible that they die. He is still focusing outside himself while most wolves get into "protect myself and talk about others/teammates as little as possible" mode. :-/ YMMV of course.
(Link is going to have to get on and start posting and playing a town game too if he wants to keep most posts in his court 8-) )
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/HyRTyDbr8vjGw/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47573382bfedec375838313ff9924829e65ae9d7b5&rid=giphy.gif)
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2020, 06:28:09 pm
I'm taking shock at face value here... I don't think scum!shock goes this far along protecting kae a bit suspiciously and kae not being quite sure what's happening... if they both faked it then --- well, I just cannot fathom believing that.
The first vote on kae looks to have been serp lock-town... then TorB in deference to this being better than a Cal wagon... then shock being shock and who I now believe to be town.
I'm not even worried about shock being mafia with this claim, I am worried about him being so sure of kae being town that he's willing to fake claim GN.
Cal-
Any reason you want to vote out of nowhere (no posting, just watching??) once kae is GN claimed town by shock? Why not Annele?
I play the low effort style, you won't see me posting every thought of mine, just like in every mafia I played before.
I said multiple times that I have no damn idea why people scumread Annele, I don't believe that's the case. I scumread Linkcat before, like in my readlist.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:29:27 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 06:30:08 pm
kdz-
What did you read or see from kae that took you from a very loose n+ on kae to today being confused, while knowing a surprising amount of what kae is doing - are you all caught up?
It just reads like quite a lot of talk about kae leading to your vote on him - who else do you currently suspect besides kae??Alright, so Im a touch confused by the redoubling on kae.
So, kae is claiming a crusadery boi, but he claims to have not used his ability to try and get a vulture with it. Idk if that alone screams mafia or just a deeply flawed plan, but thats his case, is that correct?
kae is also claiming to be confirmed by shock, but i never quite understood how or why that happened, im sure its buried somewhere in the thread, but if anyone has a basic "this and this" I'd appreciate it
it also seems that that confirmation has shifted uhhh dramatically. Why is that? If its some backroom serp/moe stuff thats fine, but Im just curious how we got here. I knew kae was on the susblock, but this has been... interesting.Haha, the reason im on the chopping block is because 3+ mafia are putting full effort into it. There is actually a chance im fully confirmed town already (who knows whatshocks doing). Even if not there is sth in my iso thats a deadgiveaway that im town, unfortunately it becomes wifom if im the one to point it out.The reason I was waiting for someone to claim vulture is we have an egg that is not a priority nk and we might have more vultures.also literally any other role is barely more than fluff unless you can catch someone in a lie.However, this is enough for me rn. Open to change, as im not 100% sold on it, but its probably our most likely wolf atm, even if this is a bit of a bandwagon vote
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
side note, ill be gone around EoD tomorrow, so if theres any revaluations, id really prefer if they weren't made during an EoD madness phase.Hi. This is me rising from my grave. Ill be on the level with you, I skimmed the truly massive quote walls because I CBA.
A lot this stuff is just general feelings. I know very little and my rust is showing a bit more than Id like. I usually spend most of my in person games just talking shit, but I find myself lost in the walls of text to analyze.
serp (vv)
moe (vv)
Confirmed, which is nice
Sub (n+)
Oh this is the sub I remember
kaemp (n+)
Got good feelings about the lad. No idea why, but everything sounds earnest.
Ge0 (n+)
Just doing they're own thing, but trying to respond when questioned. Feels normal.
shock (n+)
I really appreciate the sheer chaotic energy that radiates from every post. Please continue. Also, they're doing what I do IRL, just in text form. 12/10
DC (n)
More shitposting please
ian (n)
I dont disagree with anything they say. The comments on skimming the thread and the general low content to each post (just a sentence or two) gives me a "Town who CBA give 110%" but could very well be a mafia trying to slip under the radar
Cal (n)
Im not getting a read. No calls for action, just advising caution.
Annele (?)
Scumread rob hard. As rob pointed out, theyre initial hit felt odd, but the back down felt real. IDK, I have my reservations.
MW (?)
I dont know what it is, but something just feels off. I haven't quite put my finger one what it is exactly.
andretimpa (?)
Similarly, something just feels off, but I can't tell if thats just because /everyone/ is sus of timpa, or if theyre actually scum. Everything they do just screams neutral ground to me, which I know is ironic coming from an equally neutral list.
I just default don't listen to anything these three say because they could sell water to a fish.
rob ()
While I generally don't like the feeling of shooting players N0. I think it was correct but it makes me :////
torb ()
Feels a little aggro in spots, but if I recall thats pretty on brand.
Link ()
The banter is fun, please continue. It makes catching up fun.
I'm going to hold back on voting for now, but I do intend to cast a vote before the day is up. I just want some more time to think.
So, at game start, I view kae as a towny who was in the good graces of someone I was pretty sure was town (shock) and "confirmed" by them. I never knew quite how, but I was pretty afk and assumed I missed a little 3 sentence post somewhere. I didnt really have the time, nor the desire to read 45 pages at 100% thoroughness. I stated I was confused, because It means close to "I think I understand whats going on, but I'm not 1000% sure, and I want to make sure I have my details straight. Especially if kae flips town, understanding how we got here will be important". This shifted at EoD last day up until now. Kae shifted into a full blown implosion. That kinda panic always draws more attention, and even shock flipped onto kae. Every action during that implosion felt like a tinfoil hat moment, and my trust slipped. Further, a person who im pretty sure is town, who confirmed kae to be town, flipped on them. Basically, every support they had for being town slipped, and then they put on a tinfoil hat.
Who do I suspect outside of Kae, well again, I dont fully suspect kae. To repeat, about 75% Wolf, 25% town in my book. I think the chances of them being town is quite real, but I think the chances of them being wolf is much higher. This EoD discussion has sorta... messed with that number a little bit, and im a bit unsure.
Frankly at this point im inclined to believe serp and torb and those are about the only 2 people who I reasonably trust. Serp because of the obvious, and torb has maintained a strong level of consistency throughout. Not a lot of flipping or opportunistic jabs.
But back to the main point, I think I have a sus feeling about Kae (obv). Anne and Timpa are slightly sus still to me, they haven't done a whole lot to change that, but nothing I feel particularly confident in, and I have an inherent distrust of link and rob.
Lmao, I was writing all this, then checked back to see the vote tally and saw that shock claimed GN n0 from fateegg. i'll be honest, I didn't expect it. I'll leave all my previous thoughts still around, since its part of my explanation to rob about my move to kae.
Removing my vote on kae for now, will examine how i feel about either of the other trains and post something before EoD
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:32:27 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 06:33:18 pm
serp- duh!
MW- There is absolutely no way he made that stuff up. No matter how stupid the stuff he says is, he clearly believes in it and there is just no way to fake that as scum.
rob- some confusing decisions, but they dont favor any kind of scumagenda and attract a lot of unwanted attention. Pokes around for all the possibilities
shock- no reason to defend my like so if scum and a bunch of hard to fake things
Submachine- confusion seems legit rather than a distraction tactic; besides that would be so much effort for next to no gain, as that approach doesnt give him much leverage for making other people look suspect, also he seemed to have the second most differentiated view on the current state of the game today
timpa- very unlikely to be scum with Link, which im fairly confident in
good feels about dc, but not nearly as good reasons for it
scumreads: see above; side note: if a town without momentum indeed successfully targets torb, i suppose torb being anubis theory is a load of crap. I still find it unlikely that anubis would target serp on n1 without adrenaline involved or that cal wouldnt be the only green nymph, but i suppose either is possible
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:35:19 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:36:34 pm
serprex
- - -
kaempfer13
shockcannon
vv
MasterWalks
Submachine
v
iancudorinmarian
andretimpa
n+
TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat
n-
DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2
w
killsdazombies
Calindu
ww
Annele
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:37:12 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 06:38:16 pm
fair enough Link is pretty high up there
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:39:09 pm
I don't think scum!shock is going to do the multiple day lead up on kae when he was only a minor candidate for lynch as if he can read the minds of the whole group knowing kae would become this runaway wagon.
In my book, for the time being, I believe the claim and am moving shock + kae into my group of townies. About a small step or half-level aside from serp's level of lock!town.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:39:14 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:40:21 pm
Rob why are you putting shock as confirmed, you're smarter than that.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:40:52 pm
I don't think scum!shock is going to
We've seen what shock does as town. We may have not yet seen what he does as mafia. Any sentence that starts this way is extremely unreliable to me.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 06:41:35 pm
I still find it unlikely that anubis would target serp on n1 without adrenaline involved or that cal wouldnt be the only green nymph, but i suppose either is possibleDon't forget the possibility of a mafia Calindu targeting town me. I'm giving Cal the benefit of the doubt right now, so it's already paying off if that is the case.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:42:32 pm
Kae - you should actually PUT your vote on one those two then, based on your last post.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:42:36 pm
Stay on your toes
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 06:43:25 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:44:28 pm
That level of sustained multi-day fancy play syndrome though is really difficult to pull off how shock just did it if he is not being genuine the whole time. /back to today's lynch
fwiw I've played a bit of Among Us with shock, so I've seen some form of scum game from him
Stay on your toes
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:44:51 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 06:44:55 pm
If you're really, truly town, you should realize by now that rob is mafia. Rob has been the #1 mafia read for me and serp since day 1, and that is never going to change.
******
I'm fairly certain rob and Calindu just outed themselves as mafia. Rob starts trying to switch up votes to gain credibility by voting on Linkcat when kaempfer looks to be dying no matter what. Then I actually reveal and get people to also switch to Linkcat. Rob realizes that Linkcat might actually die now, and quickly looks to scapegoat Calindu as a way to lower Linkcat's vote count.
Now, it's possible both Linkcat and rob are both mafia as I think. However, it's also possible that rob is mafia while Linkcat is town. In this scenario, rob wants Linkcat around since rob knows that town Linkcat is way off the mark and therefore is much more useful to mafia alive than dead. Rob also knows that mafia can always scapegoat Linkcat last minute if needed.
******
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:45:14 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:46:41 pm
Obviously to give us time to sort things out without the craziness of 5-minute extensions.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:47:14 pm
It is all WIFOM since you included me in both teams... but there is NO FREAKING WAY I would out and wagon/vote Cal like this if we were teammates. NO WAY.
Link and I may have lots of experience playing, and he might be good at this game... but I know I could never fake this level of theater with him this long.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 06:47:39 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:48:40 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:49:00 pm
I was kinda hoping I wouldn't have to deal with this after about now, as I'm busy spending time with family (that finally doesnt have to work 24/7), but technically an extension might be good to sort this out; that said we still have up to 30 extra minutes so long as people keep votingWould you place a vote somewhere? You're now nestled up alongside serp in my town block of reads... and you're not voting for anyone.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:49:12 pm
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Votecount got buried. Looks like I might just have to compromise on Cal.
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 06:49:27 pm
If you're going to vote for an extension, & continue pushing Annele, then pick a time when Annele can participate in EOD
Aye, I think its a full extension or nothing. As much as im sure Oa would hate that.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:49:46 pm
If you're going to vote for an extension, & continue pushing Annele, then pick a time when Annele can participate in EOD
You still think Annele is town after this?
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:50:24 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 06:50:34 pm
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
obv also open for voting Cal
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:51:49 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:52:01 pm
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Here we go again.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:52:38 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2020, 06:52:41 pm
I still find it unlikely that anubis would target serp on n1 without adrenaline involved or that cal wouldnt be the only green nymph, but i suppose either is possibleDon't forget the possibility of a mafia Calindu targeting town me. I'm giving Cal the benefit of the doubt right now, so it's already paying off if that is the case.
Why would I ever do that? It makes it so mafia has to actually lynch you to win.
I'm fairly certain rob and Calindu just outed themselves as mafia. Rob starts trying to switch up votes to gain credibility by voting on Linkcat when kaempfer looks to be dying no matter what. Then I actually reveal and get people to also switch to Linkcat. Rob realizes that Linkcat might actually die now, and quickly looks to scapegoat Calindu as a way to lower Linkcat's vote count.
In what universe me/rob being w/w makes sense? I scumread him since D1, he's scumreading me for a while now too. Why would he ever start a wagon on me and jump the gun like that?
Also it's funny rob is scumreading me for jumping the gun and voting on Linkcat, when he actually treats both shock and kae confirmed after this. Legit makes 0 sense.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:53:11 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:54:12 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 06:54:22 pm
Whatever.Wait, TorB. First, that's a good observation. But second, what would a mafia Anubis tell us? It occurred to me, they targeted the only person who was confirmed town, so we can assume they did not target themselves.
Anubis takes priority over Guardian Angel, so using it at the same night and target as the nightkill would have rendered the target unable to reveal being targeted by Anubis, while still being immune to healing.
On N1, Linkcat said that if any Otyughs are out there, target one of two people. If mafia had Anubis and one of the suggested Otyugh targets was mafia, they would have used it on themselves, no?
(Did not count Mafia Green Nymph, mafia having Otyugh, mafia Seraph/Graboid, or just regular mafia balls to disregard danger, etc. But if those two people do not have anti-targeting roles and we somehow confirm Cal is not mafia, the chances get better.)
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:54:32 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:54:54 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2020, 06:54:59 pm
Cal - NK goes through immaterial as i read it. NK is not a secondary role but a faction ability/action... immaterial fine print states it prevents SECONDARY roles.
But you're just wrong, NK doesn't go through burrow. A burrowed adrenalined town needs to be lynched for mafia to actually win.
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 06:55:29 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:56:09 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:56:26 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2020, 06:56:48 pm
Wait, real quick, is anyone actually open for voting out rob today? He definitely gives us the most information, and I really am quite certain he's mafia. There's several possible mafia groups, and rob is literally in all of them for me. His vote targets and swaps make sense for literally every scenario I've gone through.
At this point I'm open for both Link and rob.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2020, 06:56:55 pm
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:57:27 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 06:57:32 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 06:57:36 pm
Also I'm pretty sure geo or kdz are scumI have a lean that way too on those serp. WE just disagree on Annele and Link.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:58:22 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2020, 06:59:00 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 06:59:12 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 06:59:22 pm
I once again open the opportunity to save you at the cost of lynching rob. I actually find your lack of support disturbing and several of my high mafia reads are voting on you, which concerns me.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:00:03 pm
Haven't had time to catch all the way up. Just saw shock claim egg and GN roll so had to hop off kae
Let me speed you up, Cal outed himself and is pretty much agreed to be mafia. Why he only has 2 votes is beyond me.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:00:27 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 07:00:37 pm
I am not entirely sure. There is even the possibility that a town Anubis flaked and somehow thought it was a good idea. It does significantly raise the chances of someone being inspected as Anubis to be mafia, since no one role claimed Anubis saying they flaked. I'd go so far as lynching the first Anubis we find. I say this knowing full well people want to inspect whether I am Anubis.Whatever.Wait, TorB. First, that's a good observation. But second, what would a mafia Anubis tell us?
Anubis takes priority over Guardian Angel, so using it at the same night and target as the nightkill would have rendered the target unable to reveal being targeted by Anubis, while still being immune to healing.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:01:03 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:01:20 pm
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Extending the timer. But that Toadfish claim is interesting.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2020, 07:01:23 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:02:03 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:02:11 pm
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:02:15 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:02:33 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:02:53 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:03:01 pm
He dies N3
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:03:14 pm
Somebody please tell me who my team is right now.Town. I think.
Post by: andretimpa on May 29, 2020, 07:03:22 pm
I claim Toadfish.
Killed DC out of him/kdz/Cal because figured he'd be the hardest to read.
lolwut.
For now I'm keeping my vote in kaemp, as he's my biggest scumread - not had time to process shock's claim yet
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:03:55 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:04:36 pm
Andre, kaempfer is town, vote someone else.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:04:49 pm
kae is almsot surely town no matter shock's alignment... do you mean to imply that you think shock bungled things independently of alignments and more on game strategy/playign??!?
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:05:31 pm
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:06:11 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:06:31 pm
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:06:35 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:06:57 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2020, 07:07:24 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:07:36 pm
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:07:44 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:07:59 pm
No extendo. This is a perfect way to end day. To much more of this and too many claims start happening
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 07:08:01 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:08:23 pm
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Correction
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:08:36 pm
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarianOh thank God serp. Where's your town block to come with you?
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2020, 07:08:50 pm
Haven't had time to catch all the way up. Just saw shock claim egg and GN roll so had to hop off kae
Let me speed you up, Cal outed himself and is pretty much agreed to be mafia. Why he only has 2 votes is beyond me.
I can't even defend against you trying to lynch me, because there are no accusations. I did the same thing Mafia 71, exactly after shock's claim.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 07:09:00 pm
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Post by: andretimpa on May 29, 2020, 07:09:05 pm
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
removing my vote for now - shaking between Cal and Nel
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:09:27 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:09:43 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 07:10:02 pm
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Correction only.
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2020, 07:10:48 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 07:11:02 pm
Post by: andretimpa on May 29, 2020, 07:11:15 pm
Andre, sadly Annele will have to wait until tomorrow.
ok, trusting you
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:11:26 pm
kills - your choice of Link or Cal.... make your scum!choice... I mean choose one. Letting it go NL again is lock!scum!kdz I would think, on purpose.
I favor a link kill, I don't have a read on cal, they are playing a very passive game, similar to me. By lynching cal don't we also remove our ability to kill dc this night?
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:11:59 pm
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
kdz, then vote Link?
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:12:36 pm
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
correction
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 07:13:02 pm
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 07:13:18 pm
dc still dies no matter what at end of the following nightkills - your choice of Link or Cal.... make your scum!choice... I mean choose one. Letting it go NL again is lock!scum!kdz I would think, on purpose.
I favor a link kill, I don't have a read on cal, they are playing a very passive game, similar to me. By lynching cal don't we also remove our ability to kill dc this night?
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:13:22 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:14:21 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:14:50 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:15:07 pm
Can we vote out kdz instead?
Post by: killsdazombies on May 29, 2020, 07:15:16 pm
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Fair enough serp.
DC dies not this coming night but the next night correct? Link said DC dies N3dc still dies no matter what at end of the following nightkills - your choice of Link or Cal.... make your scum!choice... I mean choose one. Letting it go NL again is lock!scum!kdz I would think, on purpose.
I favor a link kill, I don't have a read on cal, they are playing a very passive game, similar to me. By lynching cal don't we also remove our ability to kill dc this night?
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 07:15:34 pm
Sub- are you going to make a solid meaningful vote today? Eod1 was disappointing from you last time... No personal offense intended.The last time I checked today, it looked like a solid kae wagon with two barely contending wagons. From the current votes, Annele, Calindu, and Linkcat are both at n for me.
You were willing to sheep\vote on Annele last day... How about now??
Out of the three, I am not going to vote Linckat yet, and I find shock's reasoning sensible about Annele, so put my vote on Calindu.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:15:37 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:15:59 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:16:34 pm
Only potential scum yesterday was Linkcat, more so if kaempf/shock are being accepted as town
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:17:20 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:17:52 pm
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa, Submachine
Glad I could help, serp.
Added Sub's vote.
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:18:31 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:19:41 pm
WE'RE NOT THAT GODLIKE
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:20:37 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:20:42 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:20:57 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:21:08 pm
Link I've done what I can...
VOTE SUB
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 07:21:12 pm
What do you think about rob/torb/kdz/ian?
If you can agree on that with me I'm willing to believe you're town to save you. I know it sounds crazy, but it really is possible for Calindu and Annele to both be town. Which would add up with rob's voting patterns. But you seem so sure that rob is town that you're willing to sacrifice yourself to save him.
That to be me just makes me think even more that you and rob are both mafia.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 29, 2020, 07:21:24 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:21:47 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:22:16 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:23:15 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:24:43 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 29, 2020, 07:25:18 pm
Night 2
Gone is the light. Here's another night.
Linkcat was lynched. He was an Elemental and a Toadfish.
Night 2 has ended.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 07:25:37 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:26:18 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:27:29 pm
Post by: andretimpa on May 29, 2020, 07:28:06 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:28:12 pm
- - -
kaempfer13
shockcannon
vv
MasterWalks
Submachine
v
iancudorinmarian
andretimpa
n+
TheonlyrealBeef
n-
DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2
w
killsdazombies
Calindu
ww
Annele
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:30:04 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 07:31:18 pm
I wish I could say that this was partially my fault, but you're all just awful at this game. Like, really bad.
It's this exact elitist attitude that got you lynched. I hope you know that.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 07:32:20 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 29, 2020, 07:33:11 pm
/stepping-away,see-thisI wish I could say that this was partially my fault, but you're all just awful at this game. Like, really bad.
It's this exact elitist attitude that got you lynched. I hope you know that.
That is a ridiculous reason to lynch somebody. Town lynches to kill mafia. Mafia lynches to just try to hide, usually to only kill town. The attitude of infolynch, policy lynch, grudge lynch, retribution lynch, or whatever you call this attitude above is just silly. I stand by that always and forever.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 07:34:14 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 07:41:35 pm
GODDAMMIT GUYS, but this time I am an imbecile. EOD1 ended at midnight, and I remembered Oa saying EOD1 was 2 hours later than usual EOD, so I assumed I had time to safely browse posts until 22:00. Linking lynch at 21:30 did not ever occur to me until I got to this point:Night 2Gone is the light. Here comes another night.
Linkcat was lynched. He was an Elemental and a Toadfish.Night 2 has ended.
Link I've done what I can...
VOTE SUB
At which point, Oa already posted "wrapup soon".
I have two important things to say.
- I am deeply disappointed in myself, you everyone else is allowed to feel the same this game.
- I am 100% sure mafia was on Linkcat today, at least 1 or 2. Heck, maybe both days!
I will be out of town tomorrow, so I am staying to read and analyze until at least 22:00.
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 07:42:58 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2020, 07:44:23 pm
/stepping-away,see-thisI wish I could say that this was partially my fault, but you're all just awful at this game. Like, really bad.
It's this exact elitist attitude that got you lynched. I hope you know that.
That is a ridiculous reason to lynch somebody. Town lynches to kill mafia. Mafia lynches to just try to hide, usually to only kill town. The attitude of infolynch, policy lynch, grudge lynch, retribution lynch, or whatever you call this attitude above is just silly. I stand by that always and forever.
My top mafia reads have been you and Linkcat from the start, and they have always been based off voting patterns. I've said this to you multiple times now and you continuously accuse me of grudge lynching. You ignoring my actual reasons for voting Linkcat and accusing me of being bad, is the exact same elitism in Linkcat that I'm pointing out, which makes your comment quite ironic.
If 5 town vote on Linkcat, and Linkcat happens to also be town, is it completely the 5 townies fault for being bad at the game? Or did maybe that 1 town who got lynched mess up somewhere by making himself look too suspicious for whatever reason?
Also it's quite obvious who the more experienced players are. The responsibility is on the experienced players to recognize when they're playing with newer players who aren't as good and adjust, NOT on the inexperienced to all of sudden be expected to play perfectly.
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 07:49:47 pm
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarianThis is the last vote tally.
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa, Submachine
Glad I could help, serp.
Added Sub's vote.
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
shock and kaempfer are vouching for each other (well, only kae was "cleared" by shock, but noone cleared shock), and serp is Vujatron, so my new top 3 scumreads are Calindu, TorB, and kdz.
I remember Link saying something like Calindu outted himself and questioning why is not everyone voting on him. TorB will depend on what Calindu flips, and kdz is possible Mafia in case Calindu flips town.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2020, 07:54:51 pm
I wish I could say that this was partially my fault, but you're all just awful at this game. Like, really bad.
It's this exact elitist attitude that got you lynched. I hope you know that.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/3ZF400H2Jh5Sg/giphy.webp?cid=ecf05e479bae1e7e6a166c29ebe9f7c55a23405d3345caea&rid=giphy.webp)
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 07:59:09 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 29, 2020, 08:00:26 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 08:07:21 pm
Much more interested in MW watching torb or shock or geo
kaempf should endow on MW or take a spin on one of our fate egg claims. If one of the eggs rolled a total dud to endow just say so
Sub or ian or our fate eggs can target torb
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 08:10:05 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2020, 08:18:03 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 08:21:05 pm
MW doesn't need to babysit Calindu targetting DCIf the goal is only to check if TorB is immaterial, we should settle on one person instead of deploying three, in case all 3 are blocked.
Much more interested in MW watching torb or shock or geo
kaempf should endow on MW or take a spin on one of our fate egg claims. If one of the eggs rolled a total dud to endow just say so
Sub or ian or our fate eggs can target torb
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 08:26:01 pm
if eggs dont have anything great my plan was actually to target torbYou should wait for DC's reveal too. The best options for you are Vulture, Guardian Angel, Shrieker. Other roles have borderline usefulness too, like Otyugh and pure Egg (can you even become an Egg with Crusader?).
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 08:27:18 pm
This is the quote I was talking about.Haven't had time to catch all the way up. Just saw shock claim egg and GN roll so had to hop off kae
Let me speed you up, Cal outed himself and is pretty much agreed to be mafia. Why he only has 2 votes is beyond me.
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 08:28:53 pm
Was this Calindu's way out? In Mafia 71, he was mafia, but I do not understand the context yet.Haven't had time to catch all the way up. Just saw shock claim egg and GN roll so had to hop off kae
Let me speed you up, Cal outed himself and is pretty much agreed to be mafia. Why he only has 2 votes is beyond me.
I can't even defend against you trying to lynch me, because there are no accusations. I did the same thing Mafia 71, exactly after shock's claim.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 08:31:04 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 08:36:47 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2020, 08:46:44 pm
Was this Calindu's way out? In Mafia 71, he was mafia, but I do not understand the context yet.Haven't had time to catch all the way up. Just saw shock claim egg and GN roll so had to hop off kae
Let me speed you up, Cal outed himself and is pretty much agreed to be mafia. Why he only has 2 votes is beyond me.
I can't even defend against you trying to lynch me, because there are no accusations. I did the same thing Mafia 71, exactly after shock's claim.
I was town, that's the point.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 29, 2020, 08:48:24 pm
serp, why do you want me to target TorB? You don't even know my role.
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 08:51:17 pm
I doubt you would confess if this was true, Cal, so I am asking the others first. But do defend your position if you are Town.
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 08:54:26 pm
serprexIs shock also lock clear? I think he has a better place in vv now rather than where you put him.
- - -
kaempfer13
shockcannon
vv
MasterWalks
Submachine
v
iancudorinmarian
andretimpa
n+
TheonlyrealBeef
n-
DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2
w
killsdazombies
Calindu
ww
Annele
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 09:00:05 pm
Also, 69. --v
(https://i.imgur.com/sFxyVa9.png)
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2020, 09:10:25 pm
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 09:13:39 pm
Finally caught up.
serp, why do you want me to target TorB? You don't even know my role.
You're not aligned with torb. Up to you whether information I lack (your role, etc) counters those ideas
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 09:20:56 pm
The idea is not to kill me, but just verify I am targetable, to clarify. If targeting would be lethal, don't.Finally caught up.
serp, why do you want me to target TorB? You don't even know my role.
You're not aligned with torb. Up to you whether information I lack (your role, etc) counters those ideas
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 09:56:18 pm
DC, this is especially useful if you can claim potentially getting good info if allowed another night
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 29, 2020, 10:18:41 pm
As for my thoughts on this: if you can't explain your thought process then we won't just not get much better, but also distrust your conclusions. At least now I can finally bury my tinfoil hat on Linkcat's thoughts.I wish I could say that this was partially my fault, but you're all just awful at this game. Like, really bad.
It's this exact elitist attitude that got you lynched. I hope you know that.
Idea: sub & cal target kaempfer, kaempfer targets torb. DC can live another dayGo for it. At worst I'll end up a NK lightning rod.
DC, this is especially useful if you can claim potentially getting good info if allowed another night
serprex care to share what you think you've solved before a likely NK?
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 29, 2020, 10:47:12 pm
Can't believe we lynched link, but maybe there was crucial info I missed. Torb was the one who got the ball rolling on lynching link yes? I've been reading him as town all game and I'm not saying that this makes him scum, but I'm less certain on my read now.
This might be a "bad new player" question but why are we automatically accepting shock's claim of being egg-GN? Is it just because he doesn't really have a reason to lie about it? Sorry again if this is info somewhere I just missed, I'll have time to read posts more thoroughly later today.
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2020, 10:56:55 pm
Cal always goes. Unless adrenal kaempf combo can go off, but then figure out how 3 mafia couldn't prevent that play
scum: shock torb calindu kdz geo ian
Flip shock, if Annele's scum there has to be scum between kae/shock
Flip ian, he voted on me EOD1, unforgivable
Post by: rob77dp on May 30, 2020, 02:18:10 am
@LinkcatWell you got your "UNLYNCHABLE" Link mislynched. What do you have to say now, fancy pants? Why do my voting patterns add up to any sort of Cal / Annele being town? Are you trying to insinuate that a scum!rob tries for two days to NOT lynch the now town!flipped Link when it would have been RIPE for just letting him die his own death easier/sooner? Given the timing of you revealing the "peek" of kae and then leading the charge onto not-Annele and not-Cal, but onto town!Link I find to be a bad look right now. I took your claim at face value in the heat of the moment. Having had a little real time to take a walk, enjoy my family a little, eat out with the in-laws, and change a few diapers (that task will give you all sorts of perspective...) -- I'm no longer carte blanche believing the shock/kae claim.
What do you think about rob/torb/kdz/ian?
If you can agree on that with me I'm willing to believe you're town to save you. I know it sounds crazy, but it really is possible for Calindu and Annele to both be town. Which would add up with rob's voting patterns. But you seem so sure that rob is town that you're willing to sacrifice yourself to save him.
That to be me just makes me think even more that you and rob are both mafia.
A short review of EOD2 and what I recall of Day 2, I obviously have serp confirmed town; but also viewing MW, Sub, timpa, and ian as very likely town. Unless the situation is that kae/annele/cal are all three town... I'm not currently willing to consider that world. Have I missed something where that quartet is not reasonably all town? Or, any reasonable case for the subsequent trio to be all town?? (NB- the trio may not all be scum, but current line of reasoning I'm looking for help parsing if reasonable that all are town)
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 30, 2020, 02:54:05 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 30, 2020, 03:00:16 am
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 03:01:59 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 30, 2020, 03:06:21 am
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 03:27:16 am
We need info on shock or calindu. Calindu is a likely warden target
Calindu & kdz very likely going out, so unless the role is very convincing, they'll be going anyways. Info on shock is difficult, Fate Egg isn't easiest thing to investigate
Grasping, checking that you can target torb is always a thing if you don't want to trust kaempfer & MW. Or trying to figure out geo, whose n- for me, so slight info might help tip scales there
If you have something disruptive, try to disrupt whoever you think is most likely to try disrupt combo
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 03:28:57 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 30, 2020, 03:52:46 am
I look forward to input from MW/Sub/timpa/ian.
//
Look at the wagons EOD1... knowing Link is town... It def felt like a more concerted effort was made to "save" Annele than was for timpa. Those non-Annele wagons look really really suspect.
I obviously know there is another green on the Annele wagon, but in light of requests from others to AVOID the WIFOM of talking about how I know I'm town... you get just the moe an Link green.
Shock was too late, real vote count.
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
SUB YOU'RE TOO GOD DAMN LATE
How I see it, Annele/Cal is so unlikely to be v/v with more likely AT LEAST one wolf given how these two EOD's turned out.
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa, Submachine
Glad I could help, serp.
Added Sub's vote.
Anyone else have a read or explanation that paints it convincingly in a different light than w/v or v/w or w/w with Annele and Cal? Key word being convincingly...
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 30, 2020, 04:48:47 am
Now what is this fabled adrenda combo I hear of? I don't understand
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 30, 2020, 04:49:20 am
Link answered the rules question Oa asked me aboutEBWOP: That I was going to ask Oa about*
Now what is this fabled adrenda combo I hear of? I don't understand
Post by: rob77dp on May 30, 2020, 04:49:45 am
Link answered the rules question Oa asked me aboutIt kills you TONIGHT instead of Night 3 (tonight is N2). Link claimed to poison you N1.
Now what is this fabled adrenda combo I hear of? I don't understand
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 05:05:03 am
Link answered the rules question Oa asked me about
Now what is this fabled adrenda combo I hear of? I don't understand
Calindu puts adrenaline on kaempfer
Kaempfer endows torb's burrow
Kaempfer becomes an adrenal shrieker
If combo goes off, then we vote off shock & if shock's town we trust kaempfer as confirmed
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 30, 2020, 06:11:47 am
Well, the gig's up huh, good luck to my mafia teammates, I'm going to just drive up the worst train tomorrow and mislynch the most useful role except oh wait, I'm town.
Reiterating that my role is fucking useless to the point I don't even wanna claim, but I'm aiming Annele for your consideration rob. Or I could aim TorB. See if he's immaterial or some shit.
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 06:18:48 am
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 06:30:59 am
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 06:35:25 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 30, 2020, 06:51:35 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 30, 2020, 07:09:15 am
I'll claim closer to D3 EoD/N3 if im alive
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 30, 2020, 07:11:00 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 30, 2020, 07:38:52 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 30, 2020, 09:42:26 am
This egg has a decision to make tonight... Annele? Cal? kdz? ... shock?? kae?? I don't want to reveal specifics yet, but I'm aiming in that group. serp / MW / Sub / timpa / ian -- thoughts or comments? I have time to decide so I'm OK waiting for input from that group who may be asleep or away from thread currently until they can weigh in.info - shock
offsensive - Annele
defensive - kae
That's the best I can come up with without knowing specifics.
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 02:06:02 pm
It's always possible Calindu's scum & not Green Nymph. Claimed targetting torb for town cred. In that case someone else will be targetting kaempfer if he's becoming adrenal
MW will slow roll giving out information tomorrow. If I'm NK I trust rob will know how to interview MW for his info while he determines what's happened tonight
Post by: andretimpa on May 30, 2020, 02:47:47 pm
This egg has a decision to make tonight... Annele? Cal? kdz? ... shock?? kae?? I don't want to reveal specifics yet, but I'm aiming in that group. serp / MW / Sub / timpa / ian -- thoughts or comments? I have time to decide so I'm OK waiting for input from that group who may be asleep or away from thread currently until they can weigh in.
Some targets I can think of
Golden Nymph: shock
town!shock => town!kaemp. This way we can have a definitive read on shock without wasting more townies.
Psion: Ge0
psion on shock is useless imo, since I don't see a reason why he would have lied about egg claim. We could use more info on Ge0, since he's giving us little to work with.
Offensive roles like Oty / toadfish: I'm really iffy about using them, considering the level of confusion in this game (I'm really hoping DC flips scum, otherwise things will start to look really bad for town). But it's your call in the end of the day, since you have more experience than me.
GA: Either you or kaemp: I think the most likely outcome is that mafia will off serp (in which case GA would have been pointless anyway), but it's better to be safe than sorry.
Post by: andretimpa on May 30, 2020, 02:51:20 pm
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2020, 02:52:36 pm
+1 for psion on cal
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 30, 2020, 03:45:08 pm
(I'm really hoping DC flips scum, otherwise things will start to look really bad for town).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESpDAfOUUAAShrE?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Based on serp's comments I'm aiming Annele @rob so if you trust me you can look elsewhere. Or if you think my role is not even useful at aiming Annele that aiming her would do nothing. I'm still not saying if I'm GotP though.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 30, 2020, 05:10:44 pm
Using adrenaline on me despite not committing to evolve is also a perfect fit for an otherwise useless role.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 30, 2020, 06:05:38 pm
Confirmed
Serp
Pretty confirmed
MW
Shock
Kaempf
Heavy Town Reads
Submachine
Rob
Neutral
Annele (dont see where all the hype is)
Geo (not enough info. really reminds me of my first game but less shit talking)
Andre (Escaped death, but im still not seeing much of any read)
TORB (i cant read him worth a crap. Never could.)
Scum Reads
kdz (bruh, his voting patterns are BAAAD)
Cal (i just reread the game where he was maf. he acts sooo similar)
iancu (there is an extreme lack of trolling/elitism from iancu. I expect so much more)
DEAD lol
Linkcat (master of games lmao)
Moe
Coffee
JCJ
www3 (q.q)
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 30, 2020, 06:37:58 pm
Shite town reads
Confirmed
Serp
Pretty confirmed
MW
Shock
Kaempf
Heavy Town Reads
Submachine
Rob
Neutral
Annele (dont see where all the hype is)
Geo (not enough info. really reminds me of my first game but less shit talking)
Andre (Escaped death, but im still not seeing much of any read)
TORB (i cant read him worth a crap. Never could.)
Scum Reads
kdz (bruh, his voting patterns are BAAAD)
Cal (i just reread the game where he was maf. he acts sooo similar)
iancu (there is an extreme lack of trolling/elitism from iancu. I expect so much more)
DEAD lol
Linkcat (master of games lmao)
Moe
Coffee
JCJ
www3 (q.q)
Guess I'm JCJ
Post by: killsdazombies on May 30, 2020, 06:46:43 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 05:41:08 am
I'm hungry after not having dinner yet today... I could go for a kiwi for supper. Shooting a strong scum-read mid-game is solid.
kdz in the thread now having a real nice time despite town being wayyyy behind. Might just be a personality thing, but I think it is a bit inflated of him, eh? You get a phase maybe two to pick up your pace (top scum reads of yours after Link flip?) if you're town... do good work and lady green doesn't have to accelerate the demise.
While it might read like self-torture, a peek into shock might give an idea of who he hangs out with. Come clean about this kaempf thing ASAP if you're just screwing around about your N0.
Now with a few more details than before... how would my "town block" reads vote on such a poll for my N2 action??
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 05:43:04 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 31, 2020, 06:33:14 am
Post by: Calindu on May 31, 2020, 08:08:45 am
Link answered the rules question Oa asked me about
Now what is this fabled adrenda combo I hear of? I don't understand
Calindu puts adrenaline on kaempfer
Kaempfer endows torb's burrow
Kaempfer becomes an adrenal shrieker
If combo goes off, then we vote off shock & if shock's town we trust kaempfer as confirmed
Seems like a fair plan to me.
MW rolls a dice & decides what he's more curious about: whether torb is targetted tonight by more than kaempfer, or who's targetting kaempfer
It's always possible Calindu's scum & not Green Nymph. Claimed targetting torb for town cred. In that case someone else will be targetting kaempfer if he's becoming adrenal
MW will slow roll giving out information tomorrow. If I'm NK I trust rob will know how to interview MW for his info while he determines what's happened tonight
Not sure what you mean by me not being Green Nymph, no one countered my claim and TorB confirmed it.
Egg GA goes on MW. Chance we already have real GA on kaempfer
+1 for psion on cal
I'm ok with psion on me if you believe it's fully needed, though I think it might be a waste and it can be better used to verify shock's claim.
I think kae and TorB both confirming they received adrenaline would be enough to confirm me as Green Nymph.
Also, the only plans I'm willing to go through with are those approved by serprex, so as long as serprex doesn't post a new plan 5 minutes before the deadline, I'm going to do exactly as he says.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 10:48:32 am
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 10:52:52 am
I tr timpa now based on not just doing Linkcat in when he had the chance. Now that I look at it, lynching Link really didnt give that much info after all, i was just so sure he'd be scum.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 11:08:05 am
Post by: Submachine on May 31, 2020, 11:32:19 am
Idea: sub & cal target kaempfer, kaempfer targets torb.I don't think I have the role you think I have. If I can even use my role tonight, I try to pick someone that makes the most sense.
This might be a "bad new player" question but why are we automatically accepting shock's claim of being egg-GN? Is it just because he doesn't really have a reason to lie about it? Sorry again if this is info somewhere I just missed, I'll have time to read posts more thoroughly later today.I don't think it's automatically accepted, especially because shock already bluffed to be Golden Nymph in a previous game. It's the opposite, I think the majority wants to confirm shock to be able to shock kae.
This egg has a decision to make tonight... Annele? Cal? kdz? ... shock?? kae?? I don't want to reveal specifics yet, but I'm aiming in that group. serp / MW / Sub / timpa / ian -- thoughts or comments?With those targets, I can only assume what kind of role you rolled into. Here's a breakdown of how I would go about it:
- GN, Psion, FFQ: shock. Psion should reveal if shock really is Egg. I had an alternative theory about shock not being Egg a while ago.
- Dragonfly: Don't waste it on those people. Join on someone who's expected to have high traffic, like kaempfer or TorB.
- FFQ: Annele, kdz, or shock. Targeting shock would be to reveal eggy actions on the long run. If you target shock, keep it a secret to him.
- Warden: Calindu.
- Toadfish, Otyugh: kdz, Annele, or Calindu. Green Nymph comes higher in the priority list, so it would not mess with the plan. (And if he is truthful, he did not use Adren on himself, so Toad would not result in insta-kill.)
- Squid, Anubis, GotP: nobody. It can hurt more than it can help.
- Mind Flayer: TorB. No effect on him, but you poke and test his immateriality.
psion on shock is useless imo, since I don't see a reason why he would have lied about egg claim. We could use more info on Ge0, since he's giving us little to work with.If shock wanted to bluff being GN, claiming Egg would be his only way to do so.
And with that off my chest... time to sleep until end-of-night lead up. /adieuBut I've only now answered your question, so I hope you will come back in time to read them. :-\
Yes, with one exception: I don't think kaempfer13 needs a second opinion on his health check.I do believe kaempfer might need a second opinion on health check if the opportunity gives itself. I do not want anyone to rush to false conclusions about who has what role.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 31, 2020, 11:35:24 am
I mean, JCJ isn't poisoned right now. Could consider it a trade up eh DC?
I want a refund.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 11:36:46 am
Post by: Submachine on May 31, 2020, 11:39:27 am
Sub egg is disguised as that nights role; same for when you target them with crusader, you get current nights action permanently otherwise i would have long endowed rob; Only way to confirm an egg is to get 2 different role results on subsequent nights or have them die.I forgot that part in the Fate Egg role description. >_< When making that post, I only checked what Psion can do: "Target a player. Their secondary abilities are revealed to you."
The plural in "abilities" made me think Eggs got a full reveal.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 11:48:56 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 11:51:06 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 01:28:08 pm
squid can in fact check if an adrenalined target is targetable as while it has no effect the ability itself doesnt fail
Post by: Submachine on May 31, 2020, 01:45:17 pm
Ok, 2 things: FFQ cant see higher priotrity actions ever unfortunately, butIs that sure? Because in previous games, FFQ could only not see higher priority action from the same night. Then if a fly has already been planted the previous night, higher priority actions became visible, is that not right?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 01:50:08 pm
Post by: andretimpa on May 31, 2020, 03:13:46 pm
On health and curiosity matters, your views line up with mine.
On culinary and economical matters my view is more cautious but I also trust your judgement.
(translation: my views remain the same)
Post by: killsdazombies on May 31, 2020, 04:13:59 pm
kdz in the thread now having a real nice time despite town being wayyyy behind. Might just be a personality thing, but I think it is a bit inflated of him, eh? You get a phase maybe two to pick up your pace (top scum reads of yours after Link flip?) if you're town... do good work and lady green doesn't have to accelerate the demise.
I didn't think levity during a game was something worthy of suspicion, gallows humor not your cup of tea? Anyway, I'd really prefer if you didn't dance around this, just vote me out tomorrow if you want me dead. I'm at n- for effectively everyone for following serp and voting link over cali, so it's not like you'd get a lot of pushback. Hell, even if i was mafia they would probably be on board a lynch.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 31, 2020, 04:30:27 pm
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 04:31:02 pm
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 04:31:36 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 31, 2020, 04:37:26 pm
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 04:45:04 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 06:05:46 pm
8-)
kdz in the thread now having a real nice time despite town being wayyyy behind. Might just be a personality thing, but I think it is a bit inflated of him, eh? You get a phase maybe two to pick up your pace (top scum reads of yours after Link flip?) if you're town... do good work and lady green doesn't have to accelerate the demise.
I didn't think levity during a game was something worthy of suspicion, gallows humor not your cup of tea? Anyway, I'd really prefer if you didn't dance around this, just vote me out tomorrow if you want me dead. I'm at n- for effectively everyone for following serp and voting link over cali, so it's not like you'd get a lot of pushback. Hell, even if i was mafia they would probably be on board a lynch.
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 06:10:42 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 06:18:50 pm
shock/kaempf claim events:
*Caveat: I view shock as a bit of a loose cannon, and as town he really is his own boss in truth (as scum he would act as his own boss but truth is he should be trying to coordinate at least some with teammates).
A. I cannot wrap my mind around a scum!shock + town!kaempf world. kae was dead-to-rights on Day 2 and scum are almost always game for a runaway train like kae's wagon was at one point with like (9) votes on it. I just struggle to see a world where scum!shock really decides it would be better to make that claim on a town!kae and divert onto a Link mislynch path.
*B. I have major doubts about the likelihood of it being w/w. With so many roles still out there and possible, the smart and calculated scum play should be to bus your teammate or stay away if they're both scum because now if one flips red the other gets MAJOR scrutiny. In this scenario, scum!shock was getting a fair amount of town credit at that point in the game so it seems to me w/w would have not waited THAT long to use this risky ploy.
C. Both remaining scenarios are town!shock. It would be VERY strange for a town!shock to make that move if he doesn't ACTUALLY have a green peek on kaempf. It is not a sustainable way to play going around faking peeks just because you think someone is probably town when they are on the chopping block like was the case late on Day 2.
*** shock, this is the point where you need to come clean if you're bluffing, I think. I should NOT waste a peek tonight on you if you're just futzing around trying to save a townread of yours. Scenarios A and B above are the ones that have me concerned because I don't think I'm willing to lose to a scum!shock as outlined in those two. Let's not blow this and have me peeking town you tonight. Care to discuss some as the end of night 2 nears??
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 06:21:17 pm
Inflate shock, not kdzOh snap, that actually makes a lot of valuable sense serp. Inflate shock, peek kdz. A town!kdz right now is primed to become mislynch bait and a scum!kdz is rolling in coast-without-having-really-push-hard territory.
Put together a post to throw right at/near EOD if you can with last will and testament --- for the case where you die tonight (is there a way you don't? I mean, you are immaterial so really mafia could decide to wait a night if there are actions in play worse for them than you being in the thread.... ....... dunno). If you die then I live and will carry your torch.
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 06:23:44 pm
But scum, think about it, I'm the scummiest town here. You need me
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 06:46:16 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 06:47:28 pm
My memory is a bit fuzzy at the moment, are we in a position where it has been claimed by observing roles in the thread combined with some passive admissions/non-counter statements from others that Cal adrena'd TorB on N1 and himself on N0??
Post by: Submachine on May 31, 2020, 06:50:47 pm
(Link to previous readlist: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298004/#msg1298004)
Confirmed: serprex
v
(Soft-confirmed: kaempfer13)
MasterWalks
rob77dp
n+
iancudorinmarian
shockcannon
n
Annele
Ge0metry v1.2
TheonlyrealBeef (changed from v)
n-
andretimpa
DoubleCapitals
w
Calindu (changed from n)
killsdazombies (changed from n)
The only changes since last time are that kaempfer became soft confirmed and the people who voted out Linkcat moved lower. (v --> n, n --> w) I do not remember anything other that was gamechanging.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 06:51:32 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 06:54:46 pm
My opinion, if shock is faking the N0 peek on you as town then he should say so -- it achieved his desired result (saving you) from his POV and from my vantage serves only to confuse and town going forward if he faked it but continues to claim it is real. Is there a downside to a Fate Egg coming clean after a fancy play has ran its course, when they had legit motive (which is case by case and for shock I could easily a town!shock had legit motive to bluff there)??
Obv, I cant know for sure if shock is actually fate egg and he of all people would be the most likely to bluff about this kind of stuff; he did get my alignement right though and turned a day that seemed to result in a runaway train into sth thats probably useable for wagonomics at some point and saved me in the process. Obv it's hard for me to see him as scum regardless.
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 06:57:20 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 31, 2020, 06:59:25 pm
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 07:00:03 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 31, 2020, 07:06:56 pm
Day 3
Who gets the final say? It's yet another day.
TheonlyrealBeef was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Shrieker.
Day 3 has ended.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on May 31, 2020, 07:07:50 pm
I hope you're proud of getting an immortal town killed.
TheonlyrealUnlynchable
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 07:13:24 pm
....... or might scum!Cal use an otherwise somewhat not valuable adrena on TorB to test the claims of his grabby/shrieker role and burrow/unburrow status??!?
Post by: rob77dp on May 31, 2020, 07:14:49 pm
For my taste right now, today is between Annele or Cal. serp - you have a new lease on life - what is conf!town thinking right now??
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 07:17:01 pm
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 07:17:18 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 07:21:33 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 07:22:38 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 31, 2020, 07:23:03 pm
I don't understand a state where scum!Cal adrenas town!TorB on N1... right? I was pretty much expecting serp to flip... tried my best to stay out of the way on town plans best I could while also trying to draw a NK attempt. THen in the end it just felt like serp was going to be the flip --- but TorB?!!?I am also confused why mafia!Cal would create a near-unkillable threat, so I'm putting him above kdz. With that said though, it is day now.
....... or might scum!Cal use an otherwise somewhat not valuable adrena on TorB to test the claims of his grabby/shrieker role and burrow/unburrow status??!?
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
Post by: killsdazombies on May 31, 2020, 07:24:23 pm
Going to assume DC is town
Cal always goes. Unless adrenal kaempf combo can go off, but then figure out how 3 mafia couldn't prevent that play
scum: shock torb calindu kdz geo ian
Flip shock, if Annele's scum there has to be scum between kae/shock
Flip ian, he voted on me EOD1, unforgivable
Hey serp, given you still have the opportunity to flirt with death, has the night allowed you to expand on this scum list?
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 07:26:54 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 07:27:05 pm
Tempting to keep Cal around despite Linkcat saying he gave himself away. At least if he's confirmed Green Nymph we can try find the adrenal anubis instead. But with how things played out I think mafia lack disruptive skills & anubis was on cooldown
Do we need to flip shock still?
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 07:41:01 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu(1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu(1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
That would leave precisely ian, Annele, geo, kdz with dc proving next night whether he can replace one of them. I suppose I need to revisit my townreads.
Post by: killsdazombies on May 31, 2020, 07:43:47 pm
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 07:46:34 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 07:49:59 pm
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 07:50:16 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2020, 07:51:56 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on May 31, 2020, 08:02:59 pm
kaevision assuming all trs I made were correctFirst off I wouldnt list rob as Light town (I assume thats what Lime green means) and I wouldnt list sub or cali as town either. Beyond that I think most is all good.
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp - I think this is fair, I assume lime green just means a heavy town lean
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals - I disagree with masterwalks being limegreen. Idk what it is but I can't shake it.
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on AnneleAnnele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu(1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu(2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu(6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu(4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
That would leave precisely ian, Annele, geo, kdz with dc proving next night whether he can replace one of them. I suppose I need to revisit my townreads.
On rob - Idk, I can't tell. I want to think hes mafia, cause hes coming at me a little bit, but I'm unsure in that. I probably wouldnt take anything I say about rob to heart.
My working mafia list is
Ian/Geo/???/???
With Cali, DC and sub being in the awkward ??? territory.
Heres the reasoning
Cali did do a very town thing, but we have linkcat condemning them, and some lingering suspicion. I want to see everyone get on and post though before I really start drawing lines in the sand.
DC is already dead, hoping they flip mafia
Sub exists in a weird space. They are essentially afk from voting for the first two days, both times the town has an unfavorable day phase. I can't tell if its because sub is mafia, and doesnt want to add to the dogpile of a mistake and doesn't want to start a new train, or they are actually super busy. I know I'm critiquing sub for the same thing im doing, but I know I actually was busy though you all obviously can't know that. Further they then lead with an aggressive vote, one I encouraged to be fair, but after failing to place a vote or placing a vote and then leaving for 2 days in a row it feels out of character. Plus I obvious know I'm town and blah blah blah that whole shtick. But this comes after me reading sub as pretty towny for a while, so it all kinda cancels out a little?
I would say if I had to fill in all blanks
Ian/Geo/DC/cali or sub is the team im thinking.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 31, 2020, 08:19:56 pm
DC is already dead, hoping they flip mafia
I'm gonna try to keep shitting out inputs since im town though since serp is alive I might probably sheep his vote. Maybe, maybe not. If mafia piles on me/serp, mafia would mighta pile on serp alone anyway.
Should I claim for realsies though, realise that I won't die until end of N3 so I get to use it 1 more time.
Unless I get adrenda'd
If I'm mafia of course ignore everything I said, because it's all that juicy scripted stuff my better teammates told me to say
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
Post by: Calindu on May 31, 2020, 08:38:44 pm
Theory: NK on Torb was to save Calindu, whom we might otherwise go after thinking Cal/Torb w/w
Wouldn't me/TorB being considered w/w be good for mafia, even if I were to be mafia instead of town? I was already being hard considered for the next lynch, and TorB was near unkillable, with only a lynch being the only way to kill him.
Tempting to keep Cal around despite Linkcat saying he gave himself away.
Really not sure what Linkcat meant by that, because like I said, I did the exact same play with me trusting shock and switching votes in mafia 71, where I was town.
Should I claim for realsies though, realise that I won't die until end of N3 so I get to use it 1 more time.
You die next night no matter what, just claim when you can.
Cali did do a very town thing, but we have linkcat condemning them, and some lingering suspicion. I want to see everyone get on and post though before I really start drawing lines in the sand.
Why would I create two unkillable threats for town if I were mafia? Makes no damn sense. If Linkcat condemning me is the only thing that makes you think I'm mafia then I can't do anything that would change your mind.
I have to leave very soon for a bit... but in the meantime -- who was it that posted about reading a scum game of Cal's and finding it felt a lot like he was playing the same way this game??
MW did, mafia 72 is the only game I ever rolled mafia in. But in the meantime, take a look at mafia 71 and you'll see it's pretty much the same too.
I don't understand a state where scum!Cal adrenas town!TorB on N1... right? I was pretty much expecting serp to flip... tried my best to stay out of the way on town plans best I could while also trying to draw a NK attempt. THen in the end it just felt like serp was going to be the flip --- but TorB?!!?
....... or might scum!Cal use an otherwise somewhat not valuable adrena on TorB to test the claims of his grabby/shrieker role and burrow/unburrow status??!?
Why would I risk creating someone who can't be night killed and can only be lynched, when he seems to be trusted by a lot of people, only to test the claim on a graboid role?
Post by: killsdazombies on May 31, 2020, 08:43:04 pm
Cali did do a very town thing, but we have linkcat condemning them, and some lingering suspicion. I want to see everyone get on and post though before I really start drawing lines in the sand.
Why would I create two unkillable threats for town if I were mafia? Makes no damn sense. If Linkcat condemning me is the only thing that makes you think I'm mafia then I can't do anything that would change your mind.I don't understand a state where scum!Cal adrenas town!TorB on N1... right? I was pretty much expecting serp to flip... tried my best to stay out of the way on town plans best I could while also trying to draw a NK attempt. THen in the end it just felt like serp was going to be the flip --- but TorB?!!?
....... or might scum!Cal use an otherwise somewhat not valuable adrena on TorB to test the claims of his grabby/shrieker role and burrow/unburrow status??!?
Why would I risk creating someone who can't be night killed and can only be lynched, when he seems to be trusted by a lot of people, only to test the claim on a graboid role?
If you were mafia, you would know you were killing Torb, so you would just be shifting your unkillable problem from one person to another, AND you would get a bunch of town cred for doing it.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 31, 2020, 08:49:33 pm
Flayer N0 No one, N1/N2 Annele.
I told you it's worthless.
Only reason why I held back is because I know my role is better used in scum hands, and my paranoid ass don't want no mafia crusaders stealing that role.
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 08:50:41 pm
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 08:51:08 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2020, 08:58:52 pm
Post by: serprex on May 31, 2020, 10:30:29 pm
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
Post by: killsdazombies on May 31, 2020, 10:32:33 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
Missed DC's vote on me
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 01:25:55 am
Mafia's expecting me to want to turn on shock. I've been playing too consistently. Time to detourAnnele never gonna happen for me, is it? I'm not even at a computer yet and I'm down for this sharp left turn.
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 01:26:39 am
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 01:31:42 am
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 01:59:06 am
Other theory: mafia very much liked my "Annele can't be scum unless Linkcat is scum" logic
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 02:18:33 am
Im going to take the night to look over voting patterns and reread some of the thread.
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 02:20:08 am
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 02:21:38 am
I welcome the game where 3+ people roll egg
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 02:25:35 am
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 03:36:39 am
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 09:20:53 am
I want to wait on any info from sub/mwI have no information of Calindu from tonight. I could try to hint at what my night action was (or lack thereof), but it would give away my role without sharing any info worth the benefit.
with how things played out I think mafia lack disruptive skills & anubis was on cooldownThis is the only real solution I can think of too.
Sub exists in a weird space. They are essentially afk from voting for the first two days, both times the town has an unfavorable day phase. I can't tell if its because sub is mafia, and doesnt want to add to the dogpile of a mistake and doesn't want to start a new train, or they are actually super busy. I know I'm critiquing sub for the same thing im doing, but I know I actually was busy though you all obviously can't know that. Further they then lead with an aggressive vote, one I encouraged to be fair, but after failing to place a vote or placing a vote and then leaving for 2 days in a row it feels out of character. Plus I obvious know I'm town and blah blah blah that whole shtick. But this comes after me reading sub as pretty towny for a while, so it all kinda cancels out a little?"Further they then lead with an aggressive vote [...] it feels out of character"
The change is because all this time I have been in the dark about where to poke. If you look at my readlists, n- was at the bottom for the first two days, with only 2 inhabitants. Now I finally have people at w, so I am going after them. Nothing is final though, so I am trying my best to listen to everyone, in case I notice something that seems relevant.
But as you said, you speak of some double standards ("I know I'm critiquing sub for the same thing im doing"). But maybe you felt the same way about my activity as I feel about you now ("I know I actually was busy though you all obviously can't know that." Plus I was super stressed because of work too, so I played a lot of Minecraft and board games instead of focusing my attention here).
That makes a lot of sense kae, I was just trying to do something similar, but you not only beat me to it, but color coded it too lmaoThis part also struck me with a "not-you" feeling. What kaempfer did seems like a monstrous amount of work, not something I would expect from kdz (no offense, you just seem more laid-back than that). And you showed no signs that you plan to do something similar until you got today's first vote. I almost smell some role-play in that sentence.
If you are wolf, you are probably defending yourself. But if you are Town, you are probably feeling OMGUS now and feel the need to retaliate.
Did anyone target iancu and if so, was it successfully targeted?I didn't.
Mafia's expecting me to want to turn on shock. I've been playing too consistently. Time to detourGood call about Geo. Kdz and Geo both had a low post count, but I remembered kdz playing. I forgot that Geo is even in the game.
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
IS THERE A CHANCE A TOWN ANUBIS ANOINTED YOU SERP? THINKING IT WOULD MAKE A CONF-TOWN INVINCIBLE? Forgetting of course the nk is not a secondary?I don't see a reason why a Town Anubis wouldn't have already revealed himself.
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 09:39:15 am
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, KillsdazombiesAssuming kdz is town, we know - or suspect - that serprex and kaempfer are also town, and Torb already flipped town. This leaves Calindu and shockcannon, but their joint effort might have created an unkillable, confirmed town. It feels weird to me that mafia would be okay to follow such a plan, but following that train of thought would result in assuming that shock and Cal are also Town. But is that possible?
@rob, @serp, actually @everyone: Can it be possible that Linkcat was lynched by ONLY TOWN? I have a hard time to believe that.
It is possible that only one of shock/Cal is mafia. Or it is possible that town shock trusted mafia kaempfer so much, that he actually declared him to be innocent by a bluff. (It would not be far from shock to do such thing, he already did that once.) I put on this so-called tinfoil hat to say: And how convenient it is now that kaempfer is forever burrowed, because he can no longer be investigated again. If kaempfer would be mafia, shock would be suspect too, but even if it was a bluff, it is NAI from shock.
Even shock has lower activity during this game than previously. Heck, even rob has lower activity since Link died. This is why I told you to keep him alive longer! But I got derailed.
Someone also said it is also possible that mafia Cal created a second burrowed shrieker, because he expected to exchange one unkillable threat for another.
But if I drop the initial assumption, it is still a possibility that kdz is simply mafia.
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 09:50:49 am
If I count that Annele cannot be Anubis and if I believe rob's reports, then only the following people can be it:
1. iancudorinmarian
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
15. killsdazombies
18. Ge0metry v1.2
@MasterWalks: If you have seen one of these people target someone, please help to narrow the list.
AFAIK, shock has not said anything about his N1 action, so it is possible that he got Anubis from Fate Egg.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on June 01, 2020, 10:30:48 am
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on June 01, 2020, 10:34:37 am
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: Calindu on June 01, 2020, 12:55:24 pm
If you were mafia, you would know you were killing Torb, so you would just be shifting your unkillable problem from one person to another, AND you would get a bunch of town cred for doing it.
But that makes no sense, how would I be sure that TorB is going to stay unburrowed? Sure, if TorB stays burrowed, then there is only going to be one unkillable person, but that person would have been all but mechanically confirmed at this point. Why would I go through all of this trouble of creating unkillable threats and then having to rely on 50/50's between NKing that person or confirming that person, only for some town cred?
I actually think kdz is town, so I'll hold off on the self saving vote for the time being.
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Here's the step where I have to defend against your accusations, the only problem is that I don't see any, just a baseless vote. Care to share how you decided to vote?
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 01:47:19 pm
Doubling down on voting Ge0 right now. Wouldn't hate a kdz train either. Always game for Annele at this point having not arm anything from there to ease or impact my scum read on her.
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 01:48:27 pm
I can't think of any strategic use for my ability, how would I go about seeking help without revealing my ability?
Just claim
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 02:18:00 pm
Sub exists in a weird space. They are essentially afk from voting for the first two days, both times the town has an unfavorable day phase. I can't tell if its because sub is mafia, and doesnt want to add to the dogpile of a mistake and doesn't want to start a new train, or they are actually super busy. I know I'm critiquing sub for the same thing im doing, but I know I actually was busy though you all obviously can't know that. Further they then lead with an aggressive vote, one I encouraged to be fair, but after failing to place a vote or placing a vote and then leaving for 2 days in a row it feels out of character. Plus I obvious know I'm town and blah blah blah that whole shtick. But this comes after me reading sub as pretty towny for a while, so it all kinda cancels out a little?"Further they then lead with an aggressive vote [...] it feels out of character"
The change is because all this time I have been in the dark about where to poke. If you look at my readlists, n- was at the bottom for the first two days, with only 2 inhabitants. Now I finally have people at w, so I am going after them. Nothing is final though, so I am trying my best to listen to everyone, in case I notice something that seems relevant.
But as you said, you speak of some double standards ("I know I'm critiquing sub for the same thing im doing"). But maybe you felt the same way about my activity as I feel about you now ("I know I actually was busy though you all obviously can't know that." Plus I was super stressed because of work too, so I played a lot of Minecraft and board games instead of focusing my attention here).That makes a lot of sense kae, I was just trying to do something similar, but you not only beat me to it, but color coded it too lmaoThis part also struck me with a "not-you" feeling. What kaempfer did seems like a monstrous amount of work, not something I would expect from kdz (no offense, you just seem more laid-back than that). And you showed no signs that you plan to do something similar until you got today's first vote. I almost smell some role-play in that sentence.
If you are wolf, you are probably defending yourself. But if you are Town, you are probably feeling OMGUS now and feel the need to retaliate.
I agree with the poking in the dark, I was soft on activity at first, but as my activity increases, so has my presence/understanding and my W reads.
out of game - Dude I get it, sometimes you just need to play minecraft and 70 posts in one day is like, a fucking lot. I hope things are going okay at work and the stress stops soon mate.
On making a list like Kae - You are exactly right, I was looking at individual voting patterns, I wasnt going to make a list, but I wanted to highlight a few people's votes. However, I Was getting bored and didn't really want to continue, lucky lucky kae posted a nice and clean list that made the work I had already done irrelevant and made the future work I was trying to do incredibly easy lmao. I couldnt have asked for it a better format either.
in regards to OMGUS - I've tried to be aware of the retaliatory spirit that is pretty ingrained in how I play shit, and I acknowledge this in my "I think rob is not town, but also thats probably because they just want to murder me" comment. But no, I don't think you are wrong to vote on me. I've been inactive, and I have been fairly low contribution, which is what a mafia member would probably do on purpose. I've been doing it purely due to circumstance, but now that those circumstance are closed I am here now, and this time i'm trying to maintain a level of activity and contribution (because the two aren't the same) that will actually provide help.
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 02:33:19 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 02:40:05 pm
kdz: play with robBut doesn't even have any pokemon cards
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 02:49:39 pm
Play with rob, sub, masterwalks.
kdz: play with robAww, I'm not even suggested to be played with anymore. :<
Ignoring my own position, I don't think MW did enough to get the sudden drop. I read him as a solid vv.
Post by: shockcannon on June 01, 2020, 02:57:13 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 03:01:38 pm
Annele is otyugh.Annele - why did you holster and not shoot at a suspect yet? I hinted in thread, Link directed in thread... And do you want to counter the claim??
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 03:02:49 pm
Play with rob, sub, masterwalks.kdz: play with robAww, I'm not even suggested to be played with anymore. :<
Ignoring my own position, I don't think MW did enough to get the sudden drop. I read him as a solid vv.
I think hes telling me specifically to play with rob because Im already playing with you and mw @sub
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 03:04:14 pm
Annele is otyugh.Did you roll Psion/Crusader last night?
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 03:04:45 pm
HAVE to parse lynching Annele or not today or never? M
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 03:09:59 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 03:11:01 pm
DC's been mind flayering Annele all gamemy head spins at the idea\suggestion, serp.
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 03:11:24 pm
Also not a suggestion. DC's claimed this
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 03:12:19 pm
You are correct about the urgency of our situation. I don't mind a kill on geo, theyre sitting at second on my "Most likely wolf" list. Do we want to explore something else though while we have the time today?
Again to reiterate, my list is Ian/Geo/Dc (Hopefully)/???
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 03:17:29 pm
Annele is otyugh.Anyone else thinks shock and Annele are not w/w?
I get that feeling from this post.
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 03:19:04 pm
Sub-- I've thought that for a LOOOONG time.
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 03:22:05 pm
Pretty ironic if DC was Annele's N1 target & consequently DC saved Annele from being poisoned by Linkcatwell then... DC\Annele not w\w in my book, if this all holds steady\true.
Also not a suggestion. DC's claimed this
Also Inb4 Fate Egg becomes the new fake claim go to for scum needing to explain a move and then change to another fake role later...
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 03:22:20 pm
kdz - right now in this thread is a claim from someone that Annele 3 is Otyugh. Your thoughts?
Sub-- I've thought that for a LOOOONG time.
Its probably true, and it gives me some alarm. I'd prefer if annele never used it, you mistake my defense of annele as trust for them. It also provides some context for the ire they cast upon you at n0/d1
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 03:23:40 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 01, 2020, 03:25:03 pm
Annele is otyugh.
I'm going to assume that was your N2 action (psion?). Any reason why you are holding on talking about your N1 action?
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 03:25:27 pm
If DC/Annele not ww, then we can ask DC to flay Annele tonight.I need to dig deeper into this idea.
Town DC, maf Annele: DC saves town from mafia taking down 1 extra town.
Maf DC, Town Annele: In this case, we ask Annele not to use her ability, and even if DC doesn't flay her, it makes sense for her to obey.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 03:26:06 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 01, 2020, 03:26:30 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 01, 2020, 03:27:02 pm
Pretty ironic if DC was Annele's N1 target & consequently DC saved Annele from being poisoned by Linkcat
Also not a suggestion. DC's claimed this
Wait, what? How did I save Annele?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 03:27:35 pm
Also, does psion on an egg reveal egg or the current role?"Fate Egg - Passive
Hatch - Activates automatically at the start of each Night Phase. You receive a random secondary role other than Fate Egg, and you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. You can use your received role. The roles given by Fate Egg are replaced every time Hatch gives you a new role, but abilities given by Endow and Scavenger will stay."
the current role I believe
Post by: andretimpa on June 01, 2020, 03:30:24 pm
Also, does psion on an egg reveal egg or the current role?"Fate Egg - Passive
Hatch - Activates automatically at the start of each Night Phase. You receive a random secondary role other than Fate Egg, and you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. You can use your received role. The roles given by Fate Egg are replaced every time Hatch gives you a new role, but abilities given by Endow and Scavenger will stay."
the current role I believe
I swear it, if Oa put 3 eggs in this game ... >:(
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 03:31:59 pm
Also, does psion on an egg reveal egg or the current role?"Fate Egg - Passive
Hatch - Activates automatically at the start of each Night Phase. You receive a random secondary role other than Fate Egg, and you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. You can use your received role. The roles given by Fate Egg are replaced every time Hatch gives you a new role, but abilities given by Endow and Scavenger will stay."
the current role I believe
I swear it, if Oa put 3 eggs in this game ... >:(
Thats a fun world. We should all be eggs
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 03:32:28 pm
Plan: lynch geo today
If geo is scum, Annele is town (otherwise, why park on her D1?)
If geo is town, Annele & Calindu will target DC tonight. If Annele doesn't die of poisoning from that, we vote her out
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 03:32:58 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 03:35:28 pm
I think it makes a lot more sense for a Town otyugh to be suspicious of another otyugh use after a "no vigilante kills on n0 please" callout, especially given they backed off once they realized you were fate egg and thus had one chance to use it. To me that seems like a reasonable thought process, but reasonable thought process =/= townDo you mean Annele's suspicion of rob during early game? Yes, that would make more sense.
I swear it, if Oa put 3 eggs in this game ... >:(Boy do I have news for you! :silly:
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 03:40:45 pm
If geo is town, Annele & Calindu will target DC tonight. If Annele doesn't die of poisoning from that, we vote her outI don't understand the "If geo is town" part. How does this prevent Annele from eating someone other than DC if Annele is mafia?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 03:42:19 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 03:51:50 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 04:03:31 pm
DC: devour on poisoned target poisons otyGe0 scum doesn't clear Annele in my view... Especially not if DC had been flying there every night. We don't have time for delayed confirmation tactics anymore do we? At 9-4 with DC unavoidably doing tonight from poison, a whenever they want it nk of serp in play, and POSSIBLE a scum! Oty a mislynch today is easy capable of leaving us 5-4 next day phase. I believe we need to think away from delay confirmation tactics.
Plan: lynch geo today
If geo is scum, Annele is town (otherwise, why park on her D1?)
If geo is town, Annele & Calindu will target DC tonight. If Annele doesn't die of poisoning from that, we vote her out
Also is have expected a town!Annele to out in the thread if they were flayed. A town being flayed is WAY too valuable of info with no self risk (right? If town?) to keep it secret unless you're scum. What an I missing that led you to the scum Ge0 = town Annele? He parked when she was safe day 1 and missed EOD I think...?
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 04:07:38 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 04:12:44 pm
I'm not sure what you're suggesting im suggesting here though? Could you please clarify?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 04:13:51 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Also, resposting the vote count since its pretty buried
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 04:17:27 pm
No no, I was just trying to interpret serps plan to lynch geo today, and then tonight if they flip town how the set up to suicide anne would work.
I'm not sure what you're suggesting im suggesting here though? Could you please clarify?
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 04:25:17 pm
kdz's soft defending of her today gives me a weird vibe too that I don't recall having on prior defenses of her (I think Link defended her once too? I'd have to dig for other instances though). Some people don't like that angle of reads but yeah- maybe she's town, maybe he's town, but I don't see a t\t situation there.
kills-- how do you feel thinking ahead a bit, would you self preserve vote Ge0 if it came to that for you to survive at EOD?
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 01, 2020, 04:25:37 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 04:28:41 pm
For The Record-- I'm eager to read some info, defense, and input\solving from Annele should she show up sometime soon... I just do not fathom her being town given current state of things.Previously I was n- for annele, but this reveal about otyugh offers explanation that "solves" my previous distrust. Further, people I dont trust have been voting on them. I still accept a world where mafia vote on other mafia, but I think thats a bridge to explore later.
kdz's soft defending of her today gives me a weird vibe too that I don't recall having on prior defenses of her (I think Link defended her once too? I'd have to dig for other instances though). Some people don't like that angle of reads but yeah- maybe she's town, maybe he's town, but I don't see a t\t situation there.
kills-- how do you feel thinking ahead a bit, would you self preserve vote Ge0 if it came to that for you to survive at EOD?
I would be willing to vote on Ge0 even if it wasnt about self preservation. Ge0 is number 2 on my sus list, right after ian.
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 04:31:24 pm
VOTE GE0 THEN. Please? NOW. I'm bad at polite levity. I also those don't know exactly how to use that word either. \thumbsup
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 01, 2020, 04:33:49 pm
DC: devour on poisoned target poisons oty
Plan: lynch geo today
If geo is scum, Annele is town (otherwise, why park on her D1?)
If geo is town, Annele & Calindu will target DC tonight. If Annele doesn't die of poisoning from that, we vote her out
This is just "drown her, if she dies, she's not a witch"... isn't this lynching Annele today, with extra steps?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 04:35:16 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
That is fair rob. I appreciate the effort <3
Do you wanna trade yugioh cards?
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 01, 2020, 04:35:54 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
I only play mtg myself sorry
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 04:41:27 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 01, 2020, 04:42:20 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 04:42:32 pm
kdz\DC - SW:CCG, ST TCG, or I go home to play alone. 8-)PLEASE dont talk about the star wars CCG to me. That game inspires real actual rage in my heart.
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 04:45:50 pm
Alright, we'll keep it to this here civil game of lynching, lying, and deduction sir!
kdz\DC - SW:CCG, ST TCG, or I go home to play alone. 8-)PLEASE dont talk about the star wars CCG to me. That game inspires real actual rage in my heart.
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 04:48:45 pm
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
If we want a surefire lynch today, our best bet might be to mass roleclaim. I already narrowed down the possible Anubis to be among 5 people. One of them is shock, so more like 4,5.
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 04:49:25 pm
One of them is shock, so more like 4,5.And I DON'T mean this in a bad way. I mean that many people already trust shock, so he might not be counted when looking for a mafia Anubis.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 04:50:31 pm
Im getting off in a few hours. I'll check back in later tonight, and again around this time tomorrow. It might be a little sudden so I wanted to get that info out now.
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 05:05:05 pm
One of my friends bullies me with it :C Its the only card game I just dont get. Must be the dice.We can trade pokemon taz later.~ Have a good rest.
Im getting off in a few hours. I'll check back in later tonight, and again around this time tomorrow. It might be a little sudden so I wanted to get that info out now.
For the others, is there any downside for the possible Anubises to claim role? The only thing that can backfire is if we have a Vulture GN already in action. It would reveal them to the mafia, but they should already have at least 1 info to share by this point.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 01, 2020, 05:13:36 pm
We don't really have a method to confirm any of the roles, we wouldn't really be tracking anyone down imo, but I'd really like to hear what serp as to say on this. To me it sounds like giving the mafia more info that they dont need to have
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 01, 2020, 05:20:11 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
Am I tunneling too hard? Maybe.
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 05:21:51 pm
You still got me for a little bit :PI would like to add that you are in the list. So if you are town, and you know you are not Anubis, then you can narrow the list even further.
We don't really have a method to confirm any of the roles, we wouldn't really be tracking anyone down imo, but I'd really like to hear what serp as to say on this. To me it sounds like giving the mafia more info that they dont need to have
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 05:42:18 pm
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,Care to explain your vote/tunneling?
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
Am I tunneling too hard? Maybe.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 01, 2020, 05:56:38 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 01, 2020, 07:50:45 pm
Anyway the 2 thoughts I want to get out is that there is almost no chance ian and Annele are scum together, so at least one of my townreads is a load of crap (unless dc scum which I dont expect)
And the second thought is that scum didnt seem very involved EoD 1 as Annele could easily have been saved if scum and otherwise scum doesnt care much who dies out of those 2.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 01, 2020, 07:54:17 pm
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on June 01, 2020, 08:28:12 pm
Ge0 - Looks pretty scummy to mostly-naked vote beginning of the day with no previous signs of being very engaged in the thread past days... On the player likely to be a heavy wagon\topic today. Yikes. A weird why-I'm-not-voting-kdz too. Would be very sus of w\w if either flips red of Ge0\kdz.
Doubling down on voting Ge0 right now. Wouldn't hate a kdz train either. Always game for Annele at this point having not arm anything from there to ease or impact my scum read on her.
I can see how this would seem scummy, that's fair. You also somewhat nailed the reason on my vote. Life has been increasingly busy for me (restaurant re-opening soon), I honestly don't have much time to play this game. If we're going to mislynch, I'd rather it be me than kdz who has been contributing much more than I have. I've been townreading kdz for awhile now, and slight scumreading Calindu. No time to go too in depth, but voting patterns are just weird to me. And yes, Cal being what I thought to be a likely player of discussion made him my vote of choice, rather than Annele who I thought wouldn't be brought up again.
Serp wanted me to claim - I'm ghost in the past. If I can be useful (assuming I survive the day), feel free to let me know.
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2020, 08:32:37 pm
So I actually think the later votes on Annele are townCan you put names behind these "later votes"? I remember I was one of them. I was the latest vote, too late, even.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 01, 2020, 08:36:50 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 08:59:29 pm
This is about the point in the game(s?) I recall town you revealing juicy tidbits of info you've collected while flying mostly under the radar. Remind me, are you just sheeping my Annele read or are you on an independent scumread of her??
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 01, 2020, 09:27:24 pm
iancu--Unfortunately, my role is not an information role at all, and that's all I'll say about it.
This is about the point in the game(s?) I recall town you revealing juicy tidbits of info you've collected while flying mostly under the radar. Remind me, are you just sheeping my Annele read or are you on an independent scumread of her??
My Annele scumread started with sheeping yours, but while you seem to have mostly let that be in the past, I'm still clinging on to it. That's about all I have, even at this late stage of the game. I don't really have a plan tbh, too many fate eggs, too many unknowns still.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 01, 2020, 09:28:40 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 01, 2020, 09:29:28 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 01, 2020, 09:32:00 pm
I would like to ask 1 more time. DID ANYONE TARGET IANCU LAST NIGHT AND IF SO, WAS IT SUCCESSFUL?
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 09:34:56 pm
At this point guys and gals, it would take a monumental discovery or claim to get me to lynch outside of Annele kdz Ge0 Cal this Day.
serp - how would you feel about joining the pure as the driven snow kdz wagon vs the rob-wants-to-happen Annele train?
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 09:36:21 pm
iancu- I rolled Seraph last night, and failed miserably to draw nk attention... Hard claimed my action prior to end\reveal of N0 too.
Post by: rob77dp on June 01, 2020, 09:41:10 pm
Right now I'm ride or die with town core of serp + mw\Sub. I see green text color when I read votes from that group.
Anyone know if kae - who it seems always does those correcting l vote count summary looks in the past- is the type to be cognizant of "I have to do x y z as scum because town kae does x y z" if he were to be mafia??
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 01, 2020, 09:53:42 pm
Can anyone debunk a kae/shock/kdz/placeholder mafia team? Kae and shocks interactions have been weird to say the least. While it is proven (by me) shock targeted kae N0, its only been claimed he was GN. He coulda rolled adrena or FFQ and placed it on his maf buddy.I am not Anubis and not Immaterial either, if that's what you want to know.
I would like to ask 1 more time. DID ANYONE TARGET IANCU LAST NIGHT AND IF SO, WAS IT SUCCESSFUL?
ian - who do you want to troll most, dead or alive, in this game? I think it was Sub mentioned you being less antagonistic this game... Maybe someone else. It got me thinking that "yeah, ian has just mostly been non-descript for me so far, why am I reading him as town?".Do I really have to troll? I mean, we have shock (which has been awfully quiet this game compared to the previous mafias btw) and serp.
Anyone know if kae - who it seems always does those correcting l vote count summary looks in the past- is the type to be cognizant of "I have to do x y z as scum because town kae does x y z" if he were to be mafia??I thought that was common knowledge. I think kae himself said at some point he feels almost forced to do it every mafia now to not seem scummy.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 01, 2020, 11:11:58 pm
Can anyone debunk a kae/shock/kdz/placeholder mafia team? Kae and shocks interactions have been weird to say the least. While it is proven (by me) shock targeted kae N0, its only been claimed he was GN. He coulda rolled adrena or FFQ and placed it on his maf buddy.I am not Anubis and not Immaterial either, if that's what you want to know.
I would like to ask 1 more time. DID ANYONE TARGET IANCU LAST NIGHT AND IF SO, WAS IT SUCCESSFUL?
How are you sure you are not immaterial?
Post by: serprex on June 01, 2020, 11:20:40 pm
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 12:38:23 am
If we assume ride-or-die is mw/sub/rob/serp, that leaves 6 players. That leaves each of them as 66% scum. In actuality Annele should never devour DC: as scum she should get the extra NK, as town she should gamble on the remaining 5 players (at that point we can say she almost has an 80% hit rate on scum, much better than rob's loose cannon N0 I might add)
But for us that means 33% of 80%, so only ~27% chance of killing scum. & thus a ~73% chance of killing town (a third of of 20% plus 66%)
Besides, Anubis has higher priority than Oty, so scum could try dodge devour tonight
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 12:46:36 am
60% town, 40% scum
55% hitrate if 60% town means 33% scum devoured, 67% town devoured
Better off lynching with ~40% accuracy
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 12:55:52 am
Besides, we get to decide after today's flip whether to let Annele devour: we can always ask DC to target her tonight if we don't like the odds after EOD3
I really think DC is town. Just can't see Lynchedcat doing anything useful this game
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 01:46:12 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 01:54:02 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 02:13:24 am
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 02:36:27 am
In fact, you bringing this back up gives me pause about shock. I have been gone from elements mafia for quite a while --- like since back before shock's first time doing it, pretty sure. Did I miss a history between shock and Link at some point? Because looking back at some of shock's push on "unlynchable" town!Link this game is gross. It actually strikes me as exactly something shock rolling scum for the first time here (anywhere? not sure his mafia playing prowess from elsewhere I guess) would set out to do because "f you guys I'm shock and I'm about to be the best there's ever been!" ... Am I way out in left field here? The more I think about how shock does just about everything here, a scum game from here involving pushing for the lynch of Link in the manner he did, and to just about celebrate it when he flipped town, to bluff a green peek on wagonned kae from a fate egg hail mary, -- I just find it less unbelievable and more feasible those are all actually things scum!shock would try. I just don't know yet if I believe TOWN shock would play that way.
MW - I feel like you've posted some in a way that you believe you cannot predict shock but that you have a feel for just what lengths he'll go to in a game ---- thoughts about this, above??
Going full conspiracy theory mode, I entertain the thought of kdz being town, which makes me worried.Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, KillsdazombiesAssuming kdz is town, we know - or suspect - that serprex and kaempfer are also town, and Torb already flipped town. This leaves Calindu and shockcannon, but their joint effort might have created an unkillable, confirmed town. It feels weird to me that mafia would be okay to follow such a plan, but following that train of thought would result in assuming that shock and Cal are also Town. But is that possible?
@rob, @serp, actually @everyone: Can it be possible that Linkcat was lynched by ONLY TOWN? I have a hard time to believe that.
It is possible that only one of shock/Cal is mafia. Or it is possible that town shock trusted mafia kaempfer so much, that he actually declared him to be innocent by a bluff. (It would not be far from shock to do such thing, he already did that once.) I put on this so-called tinfoil hat to say: And how convenient it is now that kaempfer is forever burrowed, because he can no longer be investigated again. If kaempfer would be mafia, shock would be suspect too, but even if it was a bluff, it is NAI from shock.
Even shock has lower activity during this game than previously. Heck, even rob has lower activity since Link died. This is why I told you to keep him alive longer! But I got derailed.
Someone also said it is also possible that mafia Cal created a second burrowed shrieker, because he expected to exchange one unkillable threat for another.
But if I drop the initial assumption, it is still a possibility that kdz is simply mafia.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 02:37:43 am
Rob, I am extremely paranoid as to what i would do as town when I am scum, to the point I barely manage any content. Now, my activity is lower than usual, but that has to do with things I announced before start of game. The telltale sign of me being scum imo is the inability to go hard on people I secretely know to be town, unless they play actually terrible.
Also I would never have expected shock to have gned me and just noticed sooner that mws soft doesnt make any sense at all.
Can give you a link to my scumgame when next Im on a pc
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 02:50:49 am
shock
geo
kdz
annele or ian
geo or kdz are anubis
Tonight DC targets Annele. We flip one of geo or kdz. Then Annele. Then leftover from geo/kdz. Then shock. Then ian
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2020, 02:56:40 am
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 02:57:04 am
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
*abstention* (3) - DC, TorB, kdz
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarianHere's how I think I need to proceed with solving during Day 3... with the above green names "presumed"/lock town, and non-green/others as simply "in my POE".
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa, Submachine
If Cal is mafia, then there is almost SURELY at least 1 or 2 mafia other than Cal (in this scenario) on Link's wagon, right?? That is, surely Cal wasn't left all to himself by his teammates to self-pres hanging in the breeze? And early in the game you rarely see scum bus each other because - well, it is hard to really hope to win as mafia when you lynch or aid in lynching your own by voting them. If Cal is mafia then ANY mafia, even if green here, sitting on him at this final vote tally from Day 2 is walking a VERY VERY thin line unnecessarily as I see it.
nothing in here
Then serp posts and I find myself nodding heavily with it.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 02:59:08 am
Is it time to unleash phase 3 of my master plan?
The part where someone interrupts DC & Annele targets you, causing us to bucket her as confirmed town?
Might make sense to get rid of Annele today, rather get devour off the table even though Annele's my weakest read
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 03:01:59 am
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 03:04:32 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 03:08:04 am
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on AnneleAnnele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
I'm just going to move this back up here while we discuss EoD stuff.
I find myself in agreement with rob though, I don't think annele belongs on that list, at least right now.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 03:08:22 am
Hence why I'd rather start with kdz/geo. But sadly DC won't be staying with us, so we can't keep Annele around in the longterm, so might as well get it over with
I don't expect shock to lie about Annele's role either way. He'd want that town cred when she flips Oty
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 03:21:59 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 03:23:57 am
scum:
shock
geo
kdz
annele or ian
geo or kdz are anubis
Tonight DC targets Annele. We flip one of geo or kdz. Then Annele. Then leftover from geo/kdz. Then shock. Then ian
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 03:25:36 am
You're having trouble coming up with a mafia that doesn't include you
I hope that all five on my scumlist will try come up with plausible mafia teams which don't include themselves
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 03:27:34 am
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
*abstention* (3) - DC, TorB, kdz
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa, Submachine
Back to ruminating on this...
ian / Annele seem very unlikely w/w given ian spent two days voting her and Day 1 she was a legit chance to die.
kae / shock were on town!Link both days. Still so conflicted if that awkward shock/kae thing could be w/v or v/w... town!shock+scum!kae I expect might result in that very confused approach from kae wondering if town!shock (which scum!kae would know is town) had something on him /// scum!shock+town!kae ... as I said before just doesn't compute because in that scenario scum!shock would be all for a mislynch of town!kae who was on the block in a serious way. I am having deja vu (no pun) that I've separately had exactly this thought process, someone save me from me. w/w just I'm not ready to believe because that was legit un-scripted by at least one side in the exchanges I think. v/v - this is the world where shock was just being honest about all of it (how likely??).
kdz end-of-day 2 is suspect in hindsight 20/20 review... Cal was legit wagon in real danger with a vote lead with EOD already being 'juggled' - kdz pops idea for extension? Then a few minutes later he is nailing Link's coffin closed. I know town can honest mistakes, sure, but wow. I hadn't connected those dots until looking into kdz just at that EOD2.
/ugh
This is difficult with so many not always voting, so many AWOL at end-of-days, and with a No Lynch in the mix on Day 1 (lol!town).
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:05:20 am
But, as you may notice, I don't vote unless I am confident or at least reasonably confident in who I'm voting on. I didn't think anyone on the block EoD1 was scum, and I didn't think anyone EoD2 was. But I was placed in a "You have to vote or you are scum" scenario, and after a disappointing no lynch d1, I folded and voted on the person who had the conf town, and people I trusted. The flip was a vote on cali, and I trusted no one on that train (at the time). Did it suck? yes, obviously, but at the time I picked the lesser of two evils and resigned myself to fate. I couldnt find the confidence in any of the votes, so I picked to trust the person I had the most confidence in and join their wagon.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:10:24 am
~ DC self-resolves Night 3
~ DC should absolutely flay Annele again tonight, unless she comes in with some convincing statements about who she intends to Devour + claims about her past targets that DC blocked etc.
*not willing to consider them not being town, at this time*
serp
MW
Sub
*my scum-reads*
Annele
Cal
Ge0 (least "linked" to any other in my suspect pool... indicative _maybe_
kdz (possibly wolf if Cal is wolf, EOD 2 voting/activity)
*my POE suspects (in addition to scum-reads, above)* in order of most sus to least I guess sort of:
shock (clear by me if kae is town)
iancu (clear by me if Annele is wolf)
kae (unlikely wolf if shock is wolf)
timpa
DC^ (is dying tonight)
I will say, that if Cal/Link are v/v wagons at that EOD 2, then very likely scum were taking a vacation either absent at EOD or sitting on kae/Annele idling along, implicating among the group of DC/ian/Ge0/Annele.
And that if Annele/Link are v/v wagons at that EOD 1, then very likely scum were vacationing / absent at EOD or abstaining or sitting on timpa idling along, implicating among the group of Cal/DC/kdz.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:13:22 am
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Extending the timer. But that Toadfish claim is interesting.
When linkcat was 30 seconds from death
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
And here again, another nearly 5 minutes later and THEN
I really think just an extension would be better, we have a lot to unpack. This is the last throwaway extension im willing to do, I got to go soon
Then you pushed me into a corner rob
kills - your choice of Link or Cal.... make your scum!choice... I mean choose one. Letting it go NL again is lock!scum!kdz I would think, on purpose.You were right to do it, but as I said before, I sided with the people I had confidence in.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:13:57 am
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:15:17 am
What do you want from me here rob? I agree EoD2 was real bad. I called for an extension, and manually extended the EoD timer TWICE while linkcat was the one to be killed, if I was mafia and really wanted him killed I would have just voted on him.No magic button here I don't think. From my recent post, who are you town-reading of the ones I'm suspect of (meh, other than yourself :) )? I see you are scum-reads on ian / Ge0 / DC. DC self-resolves tonight so that leaves you thinking there is only half or so of a scum-team in the game... let's say you needed to widen your net to at least 4 players and likely 5 considering DC flips tonight (and very possibly town...).
But, as you may notice, I don't vote unless I am confident or at least reasonably confident in who I'm voting on. I didn't think anyone on the block EoD1 was scum, and I didn't think anyone EoD2 was. But I was placed in a "You have to vote or you are scum" scenario, and after a disappointing no lynch d1, I folded and voted on the person who had the conf town, and people I trusted. The flip was a vote on cali, and I trusted no one on that train (at the time). Did it suck? yes, obviously, but at the time I picked the lesser of two evils and resigned myself to fate. I couldnt find the confidence in any of the votes, so I picked to trust the person I had the most confidence in and join their wagon.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:24:31 am
My current suspect list is Ian/Ge0|DC/???
I am confident in an ian kill
I am willing to roll the dice on a geo kill
The | Marks my current "Id vote on them" confidence.
I think DC mafia fits well into the narrative I have above, and if they weren't going to die tonight, and geo flipped mafia, I would lynch DC
??? - The tinfoil zone - Shock/cali both created a super soldier in kae, but that alone doesn't buy their innocence. Really, anyone could end up here and I wouldnt be that surprised.
Excluded from the ??? zone are Serp and kae
People I doubt would be in the ??? zone (Though it is a tinfoil zone)
Rob, sub, and MW
Out of game @rob, sorry if I sounded a bit cranky in my response. I haven't eaten today and its affecting my mood, I can see that upon rereading. Sorry about that. I'ma go get some fruit and hopefully be chipper in a moment or two again
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:41:49 am
back on topic --> I suspected as much in your sus list... DC flips tonight no matter what leaving you with 2 possible scum in your view out of a team of 4, with a ??? grouping of shock/Cal. Am I correctly parsing your list as being four scum in the group of iancu / Ge0 / shock / Cal / *DC? Hmmmmm, I suppose that does jive with the possibilities from my own look over the game state.
/////
Is anyone else interested in hearing Annele's input about what she might have been trying to target those night's that it seems DC was flaying her ability? Or about why she didn't claim being flayed? Or if she has holstered this whole time - why didn't she take a shot at a scum-read of hers or a somewhat consensus scum-read of the game at-large? ..... Like, I'm really really curious about those aspects of the game and current state of things.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:47:44 am
I think annele can bring some value to the table. They are pretty much inactive, so I'm unsure if we will actually see that come to light.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:48:16 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:49:29 am
Because, if not, then it could be that annele never knew they were being flayed if they never tried to use their ability. I'm unsure if otyugh not eating anyone is a town or a mafia thing though, but its a line I'm only now entertaining.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:53:20 am
Triple post sorryNo leading the suspect, yo! I know what you mean, but clarity on that won't come until Annele reads and responds (until / *if*). :'(
Because, if not, then it could be that annele never knew they were being flayed if they never tried to use their ability. I'm unsure if otyugh not eating anyone is a town or a mafia thing though, but its a line I'm only now entertaining.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 04:57:44 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 05:00:52 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 05:04:23 am
If I'm wrong im sorry i really don't know wtf im doing lmao
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 05:06:43 am
Though, if were in the position to move a lynch target, I'd much prefer this one
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:07:00 am
Give strong reads. The person with the least information in this game is me. Whereas everyone else has 2 truly confirmed town alive, I only have 1. So y'all need to be more certain than I am as to what's going on
I have a strong read on Ian and a less strong, but still good enough read on geo. Thats the strongest I got sir.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 05:09:40 am
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
EBWOP forgot to remove quotes
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 05:10:25 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:13:23 am
In
Hopefully it’s not too time consuming
As a very very brief side note, can we appreciate the irony here?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:16:14 am
Anyway, I'll formulate a response if you want rob, I'm just making some ramen right now :V on mobile.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 05:20:36 am
To not only ask for it to not be time consuming, but to get a time themed role, and then die instantly. So clean.I'll read it in the AM for sure, kdz. about to hit the sack here.
Anyway, I'll formulate a response if you want rob, I'm just making some ramen right now :V on mobile.
And I've wracked my brain off-and-on since that Night 0 about just htf mafia managed to snipe Golden www3. I checked quick to see if he softed or hinted and see nothing - leaving me wondering which player(s) would feel most threatened by www3 being a town player in this game. :-\ Yet to think of anything concrete. So if anybody reads this and has a thought drop a line eh.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2020, 05:25:21 am
MW - I feel like you've posted some in a way that you believe you cannot predict shock but that you have a feel for just what lengths he'll go to in a game ---- thoughts about this, above??
you cant predict shock no, but i think i can read him sometimes.
Shock will do anything that he can use to call you a noob, even if it doesnt make sense
Here is what i honestly think.
Shock did roll something and targeted kae N1 with it.
Now whether or not kae is town or scum i dont know. i still really lean scum because his Vulture plan makes 0 sense, especially coming from someone giving me crap about not knowing how roles work.
Shock i think is actually maf. He is not nearly as active-helpful-disruptive as he has been in any previous mafia i have played with him, and hes been town each time.
I feel to an outsider, shock comes off as scummy town no matter what, but the fact he is acting differently at all AND HE DIDNT get yelled at by a mod is sus for him.
I think he used the "GN" on kae is town thing not to save kae but to make himself less sus. I am willing to bet he wouldnt have said anything if i didnt say i knew he targeted him.
This can all be debunked by pointing out he has been protecting kae since the first day (unless they are both scum).
I am still voting on kdz because he did target iancu and didnt come clean about it >:(
Post by: Annele on June 02, 2020, 05:55:00 am
I actually almost did eat Linkcat on n1 but the general feeling in the thread was against kae at that point, including by serp, so I went that way. I didn't say anything about being blocked from eating kae because I wasn't sure what stopped it and I didn't know if it was a good idea to claim or not. (I only got a PM saying "Your ability failed".) I tried to breadcrum what I'd planned and what had happened, but I don't know if that was useful at all.
The only suggestions for offensive roles I saw last night were directed at me, which wasn't particularly useful. I guessed that cal was the next most suspicious player since Linkcat called him out before dying, and went for him. I didn't mention anything in the thread that time because I was worried that mafia had a warden or something and that was why my kill didn't go through the first time, so I didn't want to advertise my target again. If it was just DC blocking me both nights, that makes a lot of sense.
A lot has happened since I've been able to read the thread in any detail, so I've got a lot of catching up to do. Sorry for being so absent, I'll try and contribute a bit more this time. If I don't get lynched this round I'm very happy to be directed by serp on who to try and eat, or if I should use my ability at all.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:02:22 am
Hard claim, Ian is a False god. I precogged him last night. My other target was going to be geo, because I suspected them as highly, but then my gut told me ian would be more scary as a FG. I tried to pick someone everyone had at about N/N+.
You might just make it another night Serp
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:18:29 am
Watch as I summon him now:
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2020, 06:23:32 am
Oa is bastard mod and put 3 (maybe more) Fate Eggs all because he is salty :time lost War.
OOORRRR someone is lying
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
kdz, if you kamikaze'd ian and he flips town, i will vote you best mafia player this game after its over.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:31:51 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:32:07 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2020, 06:33:30 am
Imagine buying kdz's story so quickly, smh
Well this is exciting.
Oa is bastard mod and put 3 (maybe more) Fate Eggs all because he is salty :time lost War.
OOORRRR someone is lying
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
kdz, if you kamikaze'd ian and he flips town, i will vote you best mafia player this game after its over.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:35:13 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:36:56 am
Did he offer you a discount?
30% actually
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 07:15:21 am
TBH if we get stuck in a train between me and ian, thats fine. If you kill me you have a conf mafia, and given how hard ian has been pressing annele, a probably towny who can kill ian during the night. No matter what its a win win.
ofc it still could be ian trying to bus his own mafia mate just in case he gets got or annele gets got, but thats a tinfoil world.
Regardless its time for bed. (The ramen btw, scrumptious, added green onion. eggs and other veggies. Oh my god I'm going to eat ramen literally every day.) Good night folks.
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2020, 08:22:42 am
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
I buy it, ian has been playing in a really strange way
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 08:39:28 am
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
How dare you?!
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 08:51:45 am
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
I'll consider dropping the vote if you share some of that ramen
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 08:52:10 am
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
EBWOP
im going to die so who the fuck cares if i flipflop
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 08:53:15 am
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 08:56:04 am
Did I miss a history between shock and Link at some point?The only history I know between them is town!shock losing once to scum!Linkcat. If you think history between them could be relevant, it might have been a grudge vote.
I tried to breadcrum what I'd planned and what had happened, but I don't know if that was useful at all.I would like to take a look at those breadcrumbs.
I was really trying to avoid a full blown claim, and I was hoping my vote on ian could persuade you to maintain subtlety.Hard Bomb! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkr4pqjNlDs&feature=youtu.be&t=1067)
Hard claim, Ian is a False god. I precogged him last night. My other target was going to be geo, because I suspected them as highly, but then my gut told me ian would be more scary as a FG. I tried to pick someone everyone had at about N/N+.
You might just make it another night Serp
At this point guys and gals, it would take a monumental discovery or claim to get me to lynch outside of Annele kdz Ge0 Cal this Day.I think this is monumental enough to warrant the lynch being limited to either ian or kdz. I'm somewhat paranoid that a maf!kdz on the chopping block might attempt to take someone with him, that's why I put kdz here. Kdz did come out the gate solving today, so my guts say to believe him.
Reading on, he does confirm this in a later post.
For the record, I started the round by declaring ian a mafia, before MW even announced the targeting had been done. You'll notice a sharp uptick in activity, because I had actual actionable information that lead me down the rabbit hole. I was already sus of geo, but the only time you voted DC, you voted with ian on a dead train (Aside from the votes you removed day 1). Which is what brought my ire to you. I had hoped simply mentioning WWW3 right after I had been asked how I got a read on Ian would have been enough of a hint to at least get some pressure off. I'd have rather let this sit and make my announcement tonight after getting as much info out of ian as possible.There might be a plan here involving Annele Otyugh to net us the most benefit. We cannot plan with rob yet, because he will only get a new role AFTER ian or kdz flips. This might also be a good night for Calindu to prove himself useful again.
TBH if we get stuck in a train between me and ian, thats fine. If you kill me you have a conf mafia, and given how hard ian has been pressing annele, a probably towny who can kill ian during the night. No matter what its a win win.
ofc it still could be ian trying to bus his own mafia mate just in case he gets got or annele gets got, but thats a tinfoil world.
Regardless its time for bed. (The ramen btw, scrumptious, added green onion. eggs and other veggies. Oh my god I'm going to eat ramen literally every day.) Good night folks.
Until I get more time to wrap my head around this, I am removing my vote from kdz.
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 09:22:19 am
1) kdz is mafia lying just to save himself
2) kdz is town vulture GN that got momentum from someone and I'm truly mafia
And now I ask you, which one is more likely? Since from what I managed to gather, there is no Amber Nymph in the game and a Fate Egg'd Amber Nymph would have no reason to randomly target kdz, who has been almost inactive up until now.
Believe what you will, but keep in mind that I could be very useful as an unkillable target for at least N4, maybe every night after if Calin decides to trust me and adrenaline me.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 10:20:22 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 10:24:59 am
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 10:26:24 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 11:33:36 am
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 12:49:10 pm
If kdz is scum, lets consider ian confirmed town. Then tonight ga+cal will target ian. Mafia will have to go after Calindu since at this point he'll've made a third town invulnerable from NK
lol DC & Cal saying their roles are useless
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 12:57:03 pm
Post by: Annele on June 02, 2020, 01:18:02 pm
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 01:30:51 pm
If kdz is scum,I'm missing the part about if kdz is town.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 01:36:24 pm
If kdz is scum,I'm missing the part about if kdz is town.
We lynch ian
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2020, 02:51:15 pm
We're voting off kdz. Probably scum
If kdz is scum, lets consider ian confirmed town. Then tonight ga+cal will target ian. Mafia will have to go after Calindu since at this point he'll've made a third town invulnerable from NK
lol DC & Cal saying their roles are useless
I like this plan, huge upside if ian is town.
Also my ability is only useful in this very specific scenario of making someone unkillable, which I did mention before.
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 03:48:43 pm
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 03:49:45 pm
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
I want to hear kdz deepen his case on ian. Really try to save yourself here kdz if you're town - go all out. Scum might clam up to about spewing though, or maybe it's worth the time anyway to try and avoid an unkillable iancu?... As it stands now ian's claim seems pretty believable and simple to me and several others.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 03:57:48 pm
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 03:57:56 pm
n1 www3
n2 ian
@kae for previous target list
Post by: andretimpa on June 02, 2020, 03:58:20 pm
Both claims seem sketchy imo, but I think serp has a point about kdz lynch being the best play
Ok, i asked if dragonfly sees attempted targeting (even if unsuccessfull) and the answer is yes; between my presumptions, the fact that kdz was on his last legs, the fact that ian sorta hinted at his role before etc. I am much more inclined to believe ian, unless mw actually successfully targeted ian (without momentum).
also this, got something for us MW?
Fixing vote and adding my own:
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 03:58:38 pm
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 03:59:07 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 04:00:30 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:02:27 pm
I knew I had a "power role" when www3 died, so I tried to fly low under the radar, and be /juuuuuust/ scummy enough with inactivity to not get randomly NK'd. I mention that as my primary strategy when sub asked for "How do you usually play the game"
Also, if ian DID seraph them selves MW would have seen that too yes?
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:02:47 pm
kdz - you said you hinted at having something to do with www3 in one of your posts, any other crumbs or softs on this from you?
Post by: andretimpa on June 02, 2020, 04:03:32 pm
so kdz is not a fate egg that gave self momentum and probably didnt receive any either; only thing left to check is which one of them is lying about their role
Yeah it's pretty obvious there is one scum in ian/kdz
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 04:11:59 pm
That you're Vulture
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:13:47 pm
Further looking at history i've played mafia here since like 2, and though theyre pretty cringe, I have never attempted a "Ill claim a power role when i'm mafia hehehe" because its a stupid play.
I've obviously been gearing up for an ian kill since second 1 this round, why would I start moving on a play so monumentally suicidal without a single vote being cast on me yet.
Here was the original plan before MW posted and forced my hand
1, go through today pushing an ian kill if I can, I was also fine with a geo kill, as i've stated before. N3 comes and goes
2 let night come and go, claim I targeted ian THAT night so the mafia thinks the "clock" is a turn off
3 publicly tell the ga to target me so they can save, forcing the mafia to hopefully target someone else N4 and we get an extra peak before I get got.
The next target was likely to be cali assuming they live, or rob to confirm him.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:14:45 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 04:16:15 pm
- my role is not an information role
- I am not Anubis
- I am not immaterial
All of those, while not hinting directly at Seraph, are the best I could come up with without directly revealing my role or making it too obvious. The best I could hope for with my ability is absorb a random NK.
Vulture claim is so easy to fake it's not even funny. Literally anyone in the game with an unrevealed role could've claimed vulture GN. Heck, even I could've fake claimed that.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:18:04 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 04:18:14 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 04:19:08 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 04:20:44 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:22:00 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:24:27 pm
I can see merit in both sides, I can see possibility of truth and lie on both sides... This is almost almost almost so close to certainly a v/w or w/v situation as to not find value, in my book, to play it any other way. In which case I would agree that today's lynch needs to be b/t ian and kdz.
If kdz is the mafia here, then I guess his angle is having to get heat off himself? Or was there another likely lynch that could be scum with a better "role" that kdz would pick this manuever to have a shot of surviving himself (50/50 in a 1-v-1) and always saving whoever the "other" stronger scum role was/is....?
If ian is the mafia here, well... hmmmm, he is mostly playing defense on this so far as kdz instigated.
All points kdz lays out about how he approached the vulture role, the targets, the planned bluff, the change in plans today, etc. jives on the face of it. I just am not so sure about it not being easily faked (a point from ian's defense) but again kdz does appear to have come out of the gate strong on ian this day phase from the get go. Urgh.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:27:41 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:30:43 pm
Maybe we'd even have a mafia down by now if people would stop going crazy at EoD.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 04:31:13 pm
And about the argument that "kdz went for me from the start of the day", take a look at serp's posts, for instance. He was pretty much on the chopping block, so it's not like he was all safe and randomly went for the risky play.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 04:32:00 pm
Which one? Annele or kae or Cal? Specifically one, in your view or just at least one? This is interesting that as part of your defense/discourse you venture into this territory. I'd like to further discuss with you on it ian.I meant Annele here, or even Ge0, as he was also an option before the madness.Maybe we'd even have a mafia down by now if people would stop going crazy at EoD.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:32:34 pm
WW
Ian
W
Geo
DC (Inconsequential)
N-
Shock
Cali
N
Sub
MW
Annele
N+
Rob
V
Kae
VV
Serp
Once I'm gone and you kill ian, I'd STRONGLY advise taking out ge0. They've played super strange this game, and every bone in my body is screaming sus
After that I'd take a look at shock/cali. Hell, you have a devour, and once you flip ian you'll know a mafia has been busing them all game. Thats not a "they cant be mafia" theory, but rather one that i would gamble on and have annele eat cali/shock if they get mind flayered by DC tonight.
Hopefully Ian/Geo/DC all flip mafia, we can start knocking down dominos. If they all flip and theres one left Order of sus is Cali-Shock-Rob.
I'm not saying kill rob, but I believe they have the capacity to get into the position they are right now as mafia, so at least keep an eye out
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:36:43 pm
Ian - I know hes mafia
Geo - was my other target, but I swapped last second to ian, had a gut feeling
DC - Assuming the above about geo is correct, theyve parked with Ian or not at all
Shock - what the fuck is even happening here
Cali - as I said before, its possible the mafia swapped their invincible town from torb to kae to earn some town credit. Its a little tinfoil, but its not that hard to see happening
Sub - Has been sub all game
MW - Despite throwing a wrench in my plan, I highly doubt a mafia would call out their own getting targeted. Actually, Idk why theyre only at N, I'd bump them up pretty high actually... I don't think you should listen to everything they say, but its not like dragonfly can see what role is being used. I thought they could at first, which lead me to believe mw thought ian targeted me with precog.
Annele - Once ian flips their entire bus falls apart.
Rob - has been contributing active all the time. In a real solid position. Could still be mafia who made it very far, so keep an eye
Kae - effectively confirmed
Serp - Hard conf
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 04:39:17 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 02, 2020, 04:39:54 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 04:44:19 pm
You had ian vote on you with intent to kill here
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
on day 1, even though they backed off and removed their vote once moe voted on linkcat.
That enough to put you at at least N in my book. You had a lot of dirt on you from before, but I dont think mafia would vote a nail in a coffin on their own.
Add andre to either N or N+, whichever you prefer, they hover around there.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:45:30 pm
Look, either way, a mafia dies and I'm happy with that Weird stance, because it seems highly likely that also a town dies with a solid position/role (Vulture'd GN or AdrenaSeraph) ... a town you should really be concerned with having the outcome be THE SCUM IS LYNCHED. A bit wishy-washy on your statement here for my taste kdz (taste is a subjective thing though, so YMMV). I would prefer to give the mafia a target other then serp tonight, but well, I can't make you all know. Heres a "final" read list
WW
Ian
W
Geo
DC (Inconsequential) Not inconsequential if he is scum... he can FLAY tonight which is a major pain in any town plans because it trumps in role priority!
N-
Shock so, you are close to believing scum!shock saved a town!kae on Day 2 for .... what reason?? If kae is town that Day 2 "mislynch" was piece of cake for a scum!shock, I see no reason or win-con value for scum!shock to make that play on town!kae there...
Cali
N
Sub
MW
Annele this placement is odd to me, given how you talk about her below in the 'town plan by kdz'
N+
Rob you have your opinion, but there is no way I can manuever all over the place like I have this game as scum. I'm too calculating when I have the facts... just read my scum games, it is painfully obvious (but now also WIFOM #sorrynotsorry)
V
Kae See above for my comment on shock, too. I think kae=town is most likely scenario from shock's peeked-kae-as-town claims.
VV
Serp
Where's timpa at yo dawg?
Once I'm gone and you kill ian, I'd STRONGLY advise taking out ge0. They've played super strange this game, and every bone in my body is screaming sus
After that I'd take a look at shock/cali. Hell, you have a devour, and once you flip ian you'll know a mafia has been busing them all game. Thats not a "they cant be mafia" theory, but rather one that i would gamble on and have annele eat cali/shock if they get mind flayered by DC tonight.
Hopefully Ian/Geo/DC all flip mafia, we can start knocking down dominos. If they all flip and theres one left Order of sus is Cali-Shock-Rob.
I'm not saying kill rob, but I believe they have the capacity to get into the position they are right now as mafia, so at least keep an eye out I love and hate, and then hate and love, how often I seem to get this "well he looks very town but yeah he could do that as mafia too" take. I get weary just imagining next time I ever roll scum and have to live up to my town WIM where I really really prefer being town. WIFOM rant, over for now.
To elaborate
Ian - I know hes mafia
Geo - was my other target, but I swapped last second to ian, had a gut feeling
DC - Assuming the above about geo is correct, theyve parked with Ian or not at all
Shock - what the fuck is even happening here
Cali - as I said before, its possible the mafia swapped their invincible town from torb to kae to earn some town credit. Its a little tinfoil, but its not that hard to see happening
Sub - Has been sub all game
MW - Despite throwing a wrench in my plan, I highly doubt a mafia would call out their own getting targeted. Actually, Idk why theyre only at N, I'd bump them up pretty high actually... I don't think you should listen to everything they say, but its not like dragonfly can see what role is being used. I thought they could at first, which lead me to believe mw thought ian targeted me with precog.
Annele - Once ian flips their entire bus falls apart.
Rob - has been contributing active all the time. In a real solid position. Could still be mafia who made it very far, so keep an eye
Kae - effectively confirmed
Serp - Hard conf
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 04:48:46 pm
town!kdz needed to push for geo, I was setting up a tie to avoid leading the votes. Then tomorrow they claim GN against ian & ask GA to cover them for their second check
As is we can't get a second check out of town!kdz. So here's hoping we confirm ian into an adrenalseraph
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 04:54:07 pm
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
(re-posting votecount, it was a bit back for finding quickly) (no change)
EOD 1, if iancu is wolf then Annele is cleared for me.
EOD 2, if kdz is the wolf here then Cal gets more shade from kdz voting approach.
kdz - are you, like, really really good at this game? Or, like, really really good at lying and deceiving and conniving and misleading? Because you're going fast enough on this whole thunderdome to make me think my wanting to believe you is either you're right/town/honest in it or you're just that good to do it as scum. I know when things start moving quickly in my own scum game, I almost freeze or get too mechanical... I get a certain flow vibe from your posting right now.
ian - I would not characterize it as my thinking your side in this right is not also somewhat convincing, just seems more legit to me from kdz's angle.
Post by: andretimpa on June 02, 2020, 04:58:46 pm
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:01:02 pm
On dc - inconsequential as in, there is no reason to ever vote on them. If he flays fine, we aren't winning this due to roles. Unless he just shot in the darks you rob, and hopes you have a valid role no one else has claimed a role that has an actual use. GA is still undercover (as they should be) so were fine. They'll die tonight and i'm hoping they flip
On shock - Dude, I dont even know what the heck is happening here anymore. My tinfoil says either cali or shock is mafia, and they both together made a super town. They are going to be paired together in my book until one of them flips mafia. Shock is shitposting instead of contributing though so take that as you will.
On annele - If I were mafia, and I had nothing better todo i'd just bus my mafia friend who was sus. If they flip its free super town cred, and if you flip its super town cred for them. I'm placing annele at N because I WANT to believe they are town, but I dont put it past ian to vote their own mafia mate every night. Hence why Andre is also at N/N+ (tbf andres was with intent)
on rob - Thats fair, i don't remember how you play, but as I said way at the beginning, because you are better then me, I have an innate fear of you. I'm trying to see through that cloud, but I don't want people to think I conf'd you or something stupid
Kae - Im use V for "Almost certainly town" and VV for "Conf town" You could put kae under VV if you wanted, I just wanted the separation between Kae and Serp to be distinct
On andre - :c I'm sorry bby
rob, I've maintained a pretty consistent view of you, and I've been consistent in that voice. You are a very strong player, and I am afraid that you could pull off some grand heist like this. You are still at N+ in my book, because I truly believe you are town, but I don't want to blindly believe it. I just want to advise caution. You, Link, and Torb all worry me deeply. I'm trying to hit a middle ground where I express that fear, while also maintaining my belief that you are probably town.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 05:02:15 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2020, 05:10:50 pm
Also, I think if DC flips mafia we should take a look again at kae/shock, there is no reason for him to not disrupt the unkillable town, unless the person that's going to be made unkillable is actually mafia.
DC flipping mafia also kind of confirms Annele as town(why flay her otherwise?) and incriminates ian.
I'm thinking about lynching Ge0 today and hoping DC flips mafia so we have a lot of information to work with, but it can backfire really hard if both of them flip town.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 05:12:07 pm
Back on topic: The fact that MW knows that kdz targeted ian, but specifically asks if targeting on ian was successfull just kinda weirds me out. Like why would he emphasize that when he evidently succesfully targeted either of them?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:13:16 pm
I just love watching them squirm
town!kdz needed to push for geo, I was setting up a tie to avoid leading the votes. Then tomorrow they claim GN against ian & ask GA to cover them for their second check
As is we can't get a second check out of town!kdz. So here's hoping we confirm ian into an adrenalseraph
That was basically the plan. When MW said "DID ANYONE TARGET IAN" I thought he knew what role had been used by or on ian, so I parked my vote on ian, hoping it would persuade him. But after this came out and I actually READ dragonfly, I see that he only saw the target, not the ability, which was my bad. It's a misplay that'll probably cost my life, but thats what I get I guess.
Again I had 2 goals for today
1. Kill geo or ian
2. Not roleclaim
Geo was the preferred hit as ive already stated, but an ian kill early was fine. The real one was part 2, which has not gone according to plan. Then again, part one aint looking to good either, but at least they'll die eventually.
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2020, 05:13:19 pm
Also double capitals dies. If DC dies and is town then its 6 town and 4 mafia. If DC dies and is mafia, then mafia really doesn't want to risk lynching another of their own (kdz) just for an alibi. Because then we'd be down to 2 mafia, which is not ideal. It's pretty clearly ian here.
One thing, that concerns me is that Linkcat lists ian as one of the players that is almost guaranteed to be town.
Recap of the current state of the game and suggested Night actions:I'm going to write that off though as an overlook because if Annele and andre and Linkcat are all town, then ian has no problem saving Linkcat to just lynch another town and build up credibility with Linkcat, who I'm assuming mafia was planning on keeping around and getting on his side to use as a shield while taking down more suspicious and less active town.
serprex
moehrpi
rob77dp
Linkcat
Submachine
These 5 players are always town, don't lynch them even in late game unless something truly revelatory happens. Likely the next 5 Nightkills.
iancudorinmarian
andretimpa
These 2 players attempted to save me despite having a 100% free pass to see me lynched without suspicion. Very unlikely mafia, especially if Annele flips scum.
MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef
Ge0metry v1.2
These 3 players are 90% town, only consider them if sus people keep flipping town and you start running out of possible candidates, except Ge0 who can only be mafia if Annele flips town.
Annele
kaempfer13
shockcannon
These 3 players contain 1-2 mafia.
Calindu
killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals
The rest of the mafia are most likely hiding in here. If there's a deep wolf I'd say torb since he didn't actually have to commit to a vote.
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2020, 05:17:14 pm
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
Proposed Town:
myself
kdz
MW
rob
kaempf
Annele
andre
serprex
Proposed Mafia:
ian
Calindu
Ge0
50/50:
submachine
DoubleCapitals
I'm willing to lean on DC being mafia. We'll know the next day anyways, which should clear submachine.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 05:18:30 pm
Ok, that was kinda an awfull idea, i barely made it to the graveyard and almost didnt return.
Back on topic: The fact that MW knows that kdz targeted ian, but specifically asks if targeting on ian was successfull just kinda weirds me out. Like why would he emphasize that when he evidently succesfully targeted either of them?
afaik: Dragonfly doesn't target, hence it works even tho ian shielded
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 05:19:30 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:20:42 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:21:50 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 05:23:18 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:23:30 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2020, 05:26:32 pm
If something like a FFQ failed to target ian, that means he was protected by Anubis.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:30:37 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:31:55 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:33:48 pm
MW - I feel like you've posted some in a way that you believe you cannot predict shock but that you have a feel for just what lengths he'll go to in a game ---- thoughts about this, above??
you cant predict shock no, but i think i can read him sometimes.
Shock will do anything that he can use to call you a noob, even if it doesnt make sense
Here is what i honestly think.
Shock did roll something and targeted kae N1 with it.
Now whether or not kae is town or scum i dont know. i still really lean scum because his Vulture plan makes 0 sense, especially coming from someone giving me crap about not knowing how roles work.
Shock i think is actually maf. He is not nearly as active-helpful-disruptive as he has been in any previous mafia i have played with him, and hes been town each time.
I feel to an outsider, shock comes off as scummy town no matter what, but the fact he is acting differently at all AND HE DIDNT get yelled at by a mod is sus for him.
I think he used the "GN" on kae is town thing not to save kae but to make himself less sus. I am willing to bet he wouldnt have said anything if i didnt say i knew he targeted him.
This can all be debunked by pointing out he has been protecting kae since the first day (unless they are both scum).
I am still voting on kdz because he did target iancu and didnt come clean about it >:(
On mobile so you get a whole ass block of quote. The last sentence both confirms ian is lying about seraph and that I targeted ian.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 05:35:16 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 05:42:35 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:43:49 pm
Dragonfly can view (attempted) actions involving immaterial targetsBut doesn't dragonfly have to actually succeed in its targeting? It thought that meant if someone was mind flayed and had their ability stopped it would still be detected.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 05:44:03 pm
1. Dragonfly targetting a Seraph using Divine Shield detects failed attempts to target
2. Dragonfly targetting a Seraph using Divine Shield detects successful attempts to target
Post by: PlayerOa on June 02, 2020, 05:47:51 pm
What it can do, however, is viewing an immaterial player. Like, if Dragonfly targeted someone who targeted the immaterial, the Dragonfly can see who his target (tried) to visit.
Clear?
Aka, 1 is correct
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 05:48:28 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 05:48:39 pm
It sure feels like kdz is the one being honest and is flowing through EOD still and that ian has frozen a bit unsure how to react and keep moving in these developments. Just what I'm seeing/thinking at the moment. These wagons though, not sure if kdz taking off like that is scum being caught so teammates eager to pile on for cred or if scum feeling they have a reasonable alibi to vote on kdz given the counter-claims seeming feasibility for the time being........
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 05:49:48 pm
Clear. MW targetted kdz. Cool
Or, what is FAR more likely given MW asked who targeted IAN is that ian ISNT seraph, and ISNT immaterial, so both dragonfly and my precog went off
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 05:50:18 pm
Clear. MW targetted kdz. CoolI'm too busy trying to do work and be at EOD to scour over role descriptions etc, and since conf!town you was on the case ---- what can you report? MW is lying ITT claiming to target ian having actually targeted kdz?? And also MW is currently voting on ian with kdz? Why does this not seem to make sense.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 05:51:17 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 05:53:13 pm
Ian - this is seriously your chance to lolcat if you're outted and caught. It feels great, trust me, I've done it. It is in your best interest honestly. Unless you're town then FFS keep fighting and clear this thing up for us today.
We vote whomever MW targetted
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2020, 05:56:36 pm
I targetted iancu because i scum read him. read my last scum reads. He was targetted by kdz, kdz even confirmed that. How could i be lying?
I asked about the being able to target him both as a way to see if kdz is anubis and as a way to cover my request in tmi.
After we lynch ian or kdz, i want to lynch kaempf
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2020, 05:56:49 pm
The way I see it, MW's ability failed and asked to see what protected ian from his ability.
If something like a FFQ failed to target ian, that means he was protected by Anubis.
This still stands, we need MW to tell us if his ability failed or not, that's the missing piece. If his ability failed, then ian is either immaterial (through mafia Seraph), or he's telling the truth. And in both cases, kdz's ability couldn't have gone through, so he's lying if that's the case.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2020, 05:57:29 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2020, 05:58:18 pm
My ability did not fail. Otherwise i would not have known kdz targeted iancu
That's enough for me. I thought your ability failed and wanted to check what actually stopped it from working.
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 05:59:47 pm
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:00:22 pm
and also @serp
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (6) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 06:03:30 pm
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
Either ian is scum or both mw and kdz are. Going with the pessimistic approach
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 06:05:29 pm
Sub what are you dancing around about again... you're the only one without your vote somewhere. This caused undue problems and NL on Day 1, and was mildly bothersome on Day 2 --- what are you up to on that??Yes, sorry. Thinking about net benefit.
Kdz/ian not w/w. I saw it mentioned that ian/Annele not w/w either (I think rob said this). Assuming that to be true, for the sake of a plan, let's check the worst case scenarios for each option:
- If ian flips town, Annele could devour kdz, but if Annele is mafia, (worst case scenario) she may devour another Town instead. Because of the risk, DC would still need to flay Annele. Result: -1 town, no maf killed during night.
- If kdz flips town, Annele could devour ian. With the initial assumption of ian/Anne not w/w, Anne is town and ian is mafia, in which case, Annele would have no problem eating ian. Result: -1 town, -1 maf.
If I follow my gut though, I would believe kdz more than ian, because of the principle I set for myself at the beginning of the game:
Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate
Rob, I am still thinking, even though this is only a 50-50 choice.
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 06:06:32 pm
I targetted iancu because i scum read him. read my last scum reads. He was targetted by kdz, kdz even confirmed that. How could i be lying?Okay, I haven't seen this. This changes everything.
Put my vote on ian.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 06:06:41 pm
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
/hope-this-is-right-though-too
Post by: andretimpa on June 02, 2020, 06:07:44 pm
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 06:08:36 pm
Thanks MWGetting SUb's vote in there too.
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (9) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, Submachine, andretimpa
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:11:47 pm
rob, I believe you. I want you to believe that I'm Townie, so I don't muck your plans up tonight. Flipping votes now is kinda inconsequential (hey, nice nickname for me)
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:14:10 pm
[02:08:53] ‹DoubleCapitals› that made me feel better tbh
[02:09:36] ‹killsdazombies› <3
[02:10:21] ‹DoubleCapitals› maybe ill consider removing my vote off you
[02:10:24] ‹DoubleCapitals› jk
[02:10:28] ‹DoubleCapitals› I'll go read thread now
it's joke, but just in case
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 06:16:11 pm
Enjoy your flip in 48 hours.
You claimed Flayer targeting Annele every night, right??
wtf, how the turn tables
rob, I believe you. I want you to believe that I'm Townie, so I don't muck your plans up tonight. Flipping votes now is kinda inconsequential (hey, nice nickname for me)
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 06:17:48 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 06:18:56 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:19:42 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:20:29 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 06:22:06 pm
Do you think MW is lying? Your scenario I _think_ should have you also sus on MW because how would he know kdz targeted iancu otherwise than those two being scum (you propose kdz is scum in your logic train above).
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 06:26:48 pm
SHOCKed if ian flips and is town.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 06:27:10 pm
So amazing that you guys would've fallen for the "no u" trick if it wasn't for that meddling kid MW.
Honestly, this was probably my most fun game as mafia. And just so you all know, my reduced activity wasn't because I was mafia. I just didn't really care to read all your guys' walls of texts and kinda lost interest. A bit of a shame I got a scummy role as scum, so no fun for me in that regard.
Well, either way, my legacy will carry on. This game is as good as won for me and my mafia bros, but well played nonetheless naive townies.
Feel free to ask me anything you want to know while I'm still alive. This is your one-time chance to have a face to face talk with the mafia PR.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 06:28:46 pm
Well, it was fun messing with ya'll. Fun fact is me and my fellow mafia thought about me claiming vulture+GN on kdz. Such sweet irony.Who is your team?
So amazing that you guys would've fallen for the "no u" trick if it wasn't for that meddling kid MW.
Honestly, this was probably my most fun game as mafia. And just so you all know, my reduced activity wasn't because I was mafia. I just didn't really care to read all your guys' walls of texts and kinda lost interest. A bit of a shame I got a scummy role as scum, so no fun for me in that regard.
Well, either way, my legacy will carry on. This game is as good as won for me and my mafia bros, but well played nonetheless naive townies.
Feel free to ask me anything you want to know while I'm still alive. This is your one-time chance to have a face to face talk with the mafia PR.
And, post something funny so we can all laugh together before you hit the pavement. :)
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 06:29:57 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:30:04 pm
Well, it was fun messing with ya'll. Fun fact is me and my fellow mafia thought about me claiming vulture+GN on kdz. Such sweet irony.
So amazing that you guys would've fallen for the "no u" trick if it wasn't for that meddling kid MW.
Honestly, this was probably my most fun game as mafia. And just so you all know, my reduced activity wasn't because I was mafia. I just didn't really care to read all your guys' walls of texts and kinda lost interest. A bit of a shame I got a scummy role as scum, so no fun for me in that regard.
Well, either way, my legacy will carry on. This game is as good as won for me and my mafia bros, but well played nonetheless naive townies.
Feel free to ask me anything you want to know while I'm still alive. This is your one-time chance to have a face to face talk with the mafia PR.
Its been a blast Ian, I would have really enjoyed that twist. Could have been hilarious
Dude I was so >:L all game
Thats fair, honestly, same. day 1 was so hard to follow
Whats the mafia's favourite flavour of ice cream?
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 06:30:59 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:31:57 pm
[02:08:47] ‹DoubleCapitals› ‹@killsdazombies› thanks
[02:08:53] ‹DoubleCapitals› that made me feel better tbh
[02:09:36] ‹killsdazombies› <3
[02:10:21] ‹DoubleCapitals› maybe ill consider removing my vote off you
[02:10:24] ‹DoubleCapitals› jk
[02:10:28] ‹DoubleCapitals› I'll go read thread now
it's joke, but just in case
[14:12:14] ‹DoubleCapitals› ‹@rob77dp› not allowed to say that?
[14:12:15] ‹DoubleCapitals› sorry
[14:12:17] ‹DoubleCapitals› it was a joke
[14:12:34] PlayerOa joined.
[14:12:45] ‹killsdazombies› I've been trying myself to see where the line is
[14:12:47] ‹killsdazombies› cause man
[14:12:51] ‹killsdazombies› I JUST WANNA TALK
[14:13:03] ‹killsdazombies› Chat room is so much easier for me to communicate than in thread
[14:13:14] ‹killsdazombies› Mostly because I can shitpost more easily
[14:13:21] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› As long as you copy/paste chat logs you can fill chat with mafia talk.
[14:13:33] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› And try not to involve dead players :sillyspin:
[14:13:46] ‹MasterWalks› uh
[14:13:49] ‹MasterWalks› are you sure?
[14:13:52] ‹PlayerOa› ^ no rules against mafia talk here, unlike last mafia
[14:13:59] ‹Calindu› We can do that, chat was used so much in mafia 71
[14:14:17] ‹Calindu› EoD was so much better and funnier in chat
[14:14:18] ‹killsdazombies› Once in a game of in person mafia, I just responded to every question i didn't want to answer with "Sorry I'm deaf"
[14:14:20] ‹PlayerOa› I’m surprised it hasnt been more in use tbh
[14:14:21] ‹MasterWalks› WHAT, WE COULDA BEEN TALKING HERE THE WHOLE TIME??
[14:14:38] ‹killsdazombies› I think its easier to self incriminate in chat
[14:14:39] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› Yeah.
[14:14:40] ‹PlayerOa› Read rules :sillyspin:
[14:14:48] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@MasterWalks› yh
[14:14:58] ‹MasterWalks› lol, well at least the thread hasnt been filled with pages and pages of blab chat like in 71
[14:15:25] andretimpa joined.
[14:15:15] ‹killsdazombies› Plus, no one wants to chat something that could be considered important but not post it chat and get mk'd for it
[14:15:24] ‹killsdazombies› not post in thread***
[14:15:39] ‹andretimpa› what a twist
[14:15:45] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@PlayerOa› ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› you both are mafia according to my GN ability :angry:
[14:15:58] ‹killsdazombies› Harsh but fair www3
[14:16:02] ‹killsdazombies› How should we proceed
[14:16:08] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@worldwideweb3› Dead players can’t talk :angry:
[14:16:13] ‹killsdazombies› PlayerOa (1) - Killsdazombies
[14:16:29] ‹worldwideweb3› :cry:
[14:16:33] ‹worldwideweb3› :cwy:
[14:16:55] ‹MasterWalks› imagine the shit show if w3 or shock got phoenix
[14:17:01] ‹PlayerOa› As I can’t kill you, my alternative is forcing you to host 74
[14:17:07] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@worldwideweb3› GG PLEB
[14:17:09] ‹Calindu› Tbh, the chat logs were kind of giant in mafia 71
[14:17:22] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@PlayerOa› yh ive rules where host can play in mafia
[14:17:28] ‹worldwideweb3› im implementing them to allow me to play
[14:17:28] ‹killsdazombies› I'll be honest www3, when you flipped, I think every single person in the game, regardless of primary went "Oh man that sucks for www3"
[14:17:30] ‹Calindu› Very hard to actually keep up or catch up if you weren't there
[14:18:04] ‹killsdazombies› I cackled like a mad man tbf, that shit was hilariously tragic
[14:18:15] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› ‹@killsdazombies› In a sarcastic way? :sillyspin:
[14:18:27] ‹killsdazombies› Well, it might have just be me then lmao
[14:18:37] ‹rob77dp› I was upset I somehow missed where he hinted at or softed his role and scum found it to pick him out for NK >.<
[14:18:43] ‹killsdazombies› I hate getting town and then instantly dying
[14:18:47] ‹rob77dp› turns out it seems very likely just a lucky shot in the dark
[14:19:04] PlayerOa left.
[14:18:53] ‹killsdazombies› well rather, getting COP and instantly dying
[14:19:40] ‹worldwideweb3›
(6d10) 5 + 4 + 10 + 10 + 7 + 5 = 41 ...
[14:19:56] andretimpa left.
[14:19:45] ‹killsdazombies› I hosted an in person game of Deathnote mafia, the mafia got the Vig, who didnt shoot, the cop, who had just picked out a mafia, and then the doctor, who had used their one self save the previous night
[14:20:05] ‹killsdazombies› And it was all no reveal, so no one knew JUST how bad they had it
[14:20:17] ‹killsdazombies› They just new X y and z had died
[14:20:21] ‹killsdazombies› knew*
[14:20:53] ‹DoubleCapitals› get fucked
[14:20:55] ‹DoubleCapitals› jkjk
[14:20:56] ‹worldwideweb3› i remember when i was vig in one of the previous mafias and i shot mafia :cool:
[14:21:17] ‹DoubleCapitals› I was pretty fucking salty the last mafia I played before this
[14:21:22] ‹DoubleCapitals› rolled GN
[14:21:32] ‹DoubleCapitals› tunneled someone for NLing
[14:21:40] ‹DoubleCapitals› he was actually maf, maf got scared
[14:21:46] ‹DoubleCapitals› murdered my ass
[14:21:46] ‹Calindu› Wasn't that just the last mafia?
[14:21:49] ‹killsdazombies› Whenever I get Vig in inperson mafia I cover my eyes and point randomly at the side of the room I think is most sus
[14:21:53] ‹DoubleCapitals› my actual report? MKed.
[14:22:18] ‹DoubleCapitals› ‹@Calindu› that was 71 i think... I skipped 72?
[14:22:19] ‹worldwideweb3› possibly
[14:22:35] ‹Calindu› I meant @www3
[14:22:37] ‹killsdazombies› Most hosts dont let me do it, but when I got to my hometown convention and play in my buddies pod he does
[14:22:40] ‹DoubleCapitals› oh, sorry
[14:22:54] ‹Calindu› In mafia 71 MW rolled GN
[14:22:59] ‹worldwideweb3› its been so long ive forgotten
[14:23:25] ‹MasterWalks› rolled mafia first n0 and got paranoid af about getting NK's
[14:23:30] ‹Calindu› I clearly remember someone shooting mafia in mafia 72
[14:23:32] ‹killsdazombies› yeah www3, its been forever since you got to play mafia :P
[14:23:33] ‹MasterWalks› Nk'd*
[14:23:42] ‹DoubleCapitals› Oh, 70 then...
[14:23:51] ‹DoubleCapitals› 71 I filled in for Sub as backup host
[14:23:54] ‹DoubleCapitals› you could say I
[14:23:55] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@killsdazombies› :angry:
[14:23:57] ‹DoubleCapitals› Sub-stituted him
[14:24:05] ‹DoubleCapitals› booo
[14:24:13] ‹killsdazombies› Its okay, maybe youll make it past the loading screen next game
[14:24:55] ‹MasterWalks› bruv, how could i be lying
[14:25:03] ‹worldwideweb3› i will, cause im hosting and playing remmeber? so ill make sure i wont die hmph
[14:25:15] ‹killsdazombies› Good plan www3
[14:26:08] ‹killsdazombies› FYI this chatlog is gonna suck shit to read
[14:26:26] ‹killsdazombies› Gl to all you scrubs who have to sift through this
[14:26:44] ‹Calindu› Does this actually have to be posted? There's nothing about this mafia in here I think
[14:26:58] ‹killsdazombies› Well, MW is responding to thread here a little bit
[14:27:09] ‹killsdazombies› and were discussing WWW3s death
[14:27:13] ‹rob77dp› there is some things that really should be in the thread, happening in this chat
[14:27:16] ‹killsdazombies› Its mostly shitposting
[14:27:19] ‹rob77dp› so yeah, log post is I think the right call
[14:27:42] ‹killsdazombies› Gonna post it in 3 so everyone can read it if they want and still have time to talk in thread
[14:28:45] ‹worldwideweb3› 3 seconds? 3 hours? 3 milliseconds? 3 days?
[14:29:08] ‹rob77dp› you forgot minutes
[14:29:56] ‹worldwideweb3› its not an option sorry
[14:30:13] ‹killsdazombies› 3 mins so now
[14:12:15] ‹DoubleCapitals› sorry
[14:12:17] ‹DoubleCapitals› it was a joke
[14:12:34] PlayerOa joined.
[14:12:45] ‹killsdazombies› I've been trying myself to see where the line is
[14:12:47] ‹killsdazombies› cause man
[14:12:51] ‹killsdazombies› I JUST WANNA TALK
[14:13:03] ‹killsdazombies› Chat room is so much easier for me to communicate than in thread
[14:13:14] ‹killsdazombies› Mostly because I can shitpost more easily
[14:13:21] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› As long as you copy/paste chat logs you can fill chat with mafia talk.
[14:13:33] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› And try not to involve dead players :sillyspin:
[14:13:46] ‹MasterWalks› uh
[14:13:49] ‹MasterWalks› are you sure?
[14:13:52] ‹PlayerOa› ^ no rules against mafia talk here, unlike last mafia
[14:13:59] ‹Calindu› We can do that, chat was used so much in mafia 71
[14:14:17] ‹Calindu› EoD was so much better and funnier in chat
[14:14:18] ‹killsdazombies› Once in a game of in person mafia, I just responded to every question i didn't want to answer with "Sorry I'm deaf"
[14:14:20] ‹PlayerOa› I’m surprised it hasnt been more in use tbh
[14:14:21] ‹MasterWalks› WHAT, WE COULDA BEEN TALKING HERE THE WHOLE TIME??
[14:14:38] ‹killsdazombies› I think its easier to self incriminate in chat
[14:14:39] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› Yeah.
[14:14:40] ‹PlayerOa› Read rules :sillyspin:
[14:14:48] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@MasterWalks› yh
[14:14:58] ‹MasterWalks› lol, well at least the thread hasnt been filled with pages and pages of blab chat like in 71
[14:15:25] andretimpa joined.
[14:15:15] ‹killsdazombies› Plus, no one wants to chat something that could be considered important but not post it chat and get mk'd for it
[14:15:24] ‹killsdazombies› not post in thread***
[14:15:39] ‹andretimpa› what a twist
[14:15:45] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@PlayerOa› ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› you both are mafia according to my GN ability :angry:
[14:15:58] ‹killsdazombies› Harsh but fair www3
[14:16:02] ‹killsdazombies› How should we proceed
[14:16:08] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@worldwideweb3› Dead players can’t talk :angry:
[14:16:13] ‹killsdazombies› PlayerOa (1) - Killsdazombies
[14:16:29] ‹worldwideweb3› :cry:
[14:16:33] ‹worldwideweb3› :cwy:
[14:16:55] ‹MasterWalks› imagine the shit show if w3 or shock got phoenix
[14:17:01] ‹PlayerOa› As I can’t kill you, my alternative is forcing you to host 74
[14:17:07] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@worldwideweb3› GG PLEB
[14:17:09] ‹Calindu› Tbh, the chat logs were kind of giant in mafia 71
[14:17:22] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@PlayerOa› yh ive rules where host can play in mafia
[14:17:28] ‹worldwideweb3› im implementing them to allow me to play
[14:17:28] ‹killsdazombies› I'll be honest www3, when you flipped, I think every single person in the game, regardless of primary went "Oh man that sucks for www3"
[14:17:30] ‹Calindu› Very hard to actually keep up or catch up if you weren't there
[14:18:04] ‹killsdazombies› I cackled like a mad man tbf, that shit was hilariously tragic
[14:18:15] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› ‹@killsdazombies› In a sarcastic way? :sillyspin:
[14:18:27] ‹killsdazombies› Well, it might have just be me then lmao
[14:18:37] ‹rob77dp› I was upset I somehow missed where he hinted at or softed his role and scum found it to pick him out for NK >.<
[14:18:43] ‹killsdazombies› I hate getting town and then instantly dying
[14:18:47] ‹rob77dp› turns out it seems very likely just a lucky shot in the dark
[14:19:04] PlayerOa left.
[14:18:53] ‹killsdazombies› well rather, getting COP and instantly dying
[14:19:40] ‹worldwideweb3›
(6d10) 5 + 4 + 10 + 10 + 7 + 5 = 41 ...
[14:19:56] andretimpa left.
[14:19:45] ‹killsdazombies› I hosted an in person game of Deathnote mafia, the mafia got the Vig, who didnt shoot, the cop, who had just picked out a mafia, and then the doctor, who had used their one self save the previous night
[14:20:05] ‹killsdazombies› And it was all no reveal, so no one knew JUST how bad they had it
[14:20:17] ‹killsdazombies› They just new X y and z had died
[14:20:21] ‹killsdazombies› knew*
[14:20:53] ‹DoubleCapitals› get fucked
[14:20:55] ‹DoubleCapitals› jkjk
[14:20:56] ‹worldwideweb3› i remember when i was vig in one of the previous mafias and i shot mafia :cool:
[14:21:17] ‹DoubleCapitals› I was pretty fucking salty the last mafia I played before this
[14:21:22] ‹DoubleCapitals› rolled GN
[14:21:32] ‹DoubleCapitals› tunneled someone for NLing
[14:21:40] ‹DoubleCapitals› he was actually maf, maf got scared
[14:21:46] ‹DoubleCapitals› murdered my ass
[14:21:46] ‹Calindu› Wasn't that just the last mafia?
[14:21:49] ‹killsdazombies› Whenever I get Vig in inperson mafia I cover my eyes and point randomly at the side of the room I think is most sus
[14:21:53] ‹DoubleCapitals› my actual report? MKed.
[14:22:18] ‹DoubleCapitals› ‹@Calindu› that was 71 i think... I skipped 72?
[14:22:19] ‹worldwideweb3› possibly
[14:22:35] ‹Calindu› I meant @www3
[14:22:37] ‹killsdazombies› Most hosts dont let me do it, but when I got to my hometown convention and play in my buddies pod he does
[14:22:40] ‹DoubleCapitals› oh, sorry
[14:22:54] ‹Calindu› In mafia 71 MW rolled GN
[14:22:59] ‹worldwideweb3› its been so long ive forgotten
[14:23:25] ‹MasterWalks› rolled mafia first n0 and got paranoid af about getting NK's
[14:23:30] ‹Calindu› I clearly remember someone shooting mafia in mafia 72
[14:23:32] ‹killsdazombies› yeah www3, its been forever since you got to play mafia :P
[14:23:33] ‹MasterWalks› Nk'd*
[14:23:42] ‹DoubleCapitals› Oh, 70 then...
[14:23:51] ‹DoubleCapitals› 71 I filled in for Sub as backup host
[14:23:54] ‹DoubleCapitals› you could say I
[14:23:55] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@killsdazombies› :angry:
[14:23:57] ‹DoubleCapitals› Sub-stituted him
[14:24:05] ‹DoubleCapitals› booo
[14:24:13] ‹killsdazombies› Its okay, maybe youll make it past the loading screen next game
[14:24:55] ‹MasterWalks› bruv, how could i be lying
[14:25:03] ‹worldwideweb3› i will, cause im hosting and playing remmeber? so ill make sure i wont die hmph
[14:25:15] ‹killsdazombies› Good plan www3
[14:26:08] ‹killsdazombies› FYI this chatlog is gonna suck shit to read
[14:26:26] ‹killsdazombies› Gl to all you scrubs who have to sift through this
[14:26:44] ‹Calindu› Does this actually have to be posted? There's nothing about this mafia in here I think
[14:26:58] ‹killsdazombies› Well, MW is responding to thread here a little bit
[14:27:09] ‹killsdazombies› and were discussing WWW3s death
[14:27:13] ‹rob77dp› there is some things that really should be in the thread, happening in this chat
[14:27:16] ‹killsdazombies› Its mostly shitposting
[14:27:19] ‹rob77dp› so yeah, log post is I think the right call
[14:27:42] ‹killsdazombies› Gonna post it in 3 so everyone can read it if they want and still have time to talk in thread
[14:28:45] ‹worldwideweb3› 3 seconds? 3 hours? 3 milliseconds? 3 days?
[14:29:08] ‹rob77dp› you forgot minutes
[14:29:56] ‹worldwideweb3› its not an option sorry
[14:30:13] ‹killsdazombies› 3 mins so now
this is the rest of the chatlog, theres nothing really of value here, but just in case anyone wants to try to find some.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:32:09 pm
Chocolate ice cream will always rule.
shit guys, idk if we can kill ian now
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:32:18 pm
No, I don't think MW is lying. Since I also said kdz is still a Vulture...
By PoE:
He won't pick GN
Seraph does not target
Deja Vus won't make sense (serp would have mentioned it)
Shrieker does not target
Which leaves Toadfish which kdz could not have both targetted and used in the same night...
Right um.
So either kdz is telling the truth (Scenario 1), kdz is not a Vulture (Scenario 2) or MW is full of shit (Scenario 3)
I still townread MW, so we cut Scenario 3 out. If kdz is scum it must be Scenario 2, in which case... what was iancu hit by even? If scum!kdz/town!ian then he's not immaterial or whatever so that's like... what options even?
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:34:11 pm
Well, it was fun messing with ya'll. Fun fact is me and my fellow mafia thought about me claiming vulture+GN on kdz. Such sweet irony.
So amazing that you guys would've fallen for the "no u" trick if it wasn't for that meddling kid MW.
Honestly, this was probably my most fun game as mafia. And just so you all know, my reduced activity wasn't because I was mafia. I just didn't really care to read all your guys' walls of texts and kinda lost interest. A bit of a shame I got a scummy role as scum, so no fun for me in that regard.
Well, either way, my legacy will carry on. This game is as good as won for me and my mafia bros, but well played nonetheless naive townies.
Feel free to ask me anything you want to know while I'm still alive. This is your one-time chance to have a face to face talk with the mafia PR.
Its been a blast Ian, I would have really enjoyed that twist. Could have been hilarious
Dude I was so >:L all game
Thats fair, honestly, same. day 1 was so hard to follow
Whats the mafia's favourite flavour of ice cream?
Boot to the head.
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 06:35:16 pm
I get that reference!Well, it was fun messing with ya'll. Fun fact is me and my fellow mafia thought about me claiming vulture+GN on kdz. Such sweet irony.
So amazing that you guys would've fallen for the "no u" trick if it wasn't for that meddling kid MW.
Honestly, this was probably my most fun game as mafia. And just so you all know, my reduced activity wasn't because I was mafia. I just didn't really care to read all your guys' walls of texts and kinda lost interest. A bit of a shame I got a scummy role as scum, so no fun for me in that regard.
Well, either way, my legacy will carry on. This game is as good as won for me and my mafia bros, but well played nonetheless naive townies.
Feel free to ask me anything you want to know while I'm still alive. This is your one-time chance to have a face to face talk with the mafia PR.
Its been a blast Ian, I would have really enjoyed that twist. Could have been hilarious
Dude I was so >:L all game
Thats fair, honestly, same. day 1 was so hard to follow
Whats the mafia's favourite flavour of ice cream?
Boot to the head.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 06:35:24 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:37:12 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2020, 06:38:42 pm
Hes been using it all game
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:38:57 pm
I get that reference!Well, it was fun messing with ya'll. Fun fact is me and my fellow mafia thought about me claiming vulture+GN on kdz. Such sweet irony.
So amazing that you guys would've fallen for the "no u" trick if it wasn't for that meddling kid MW.
Honestly, this was probably my most fun game as mafia. And just so you all know, my reduced activity wasn't because I was mafia. I just didn't really care to read all your guys' walls of texts and kinda lost interest. A bit of a shame I got a scummy role as scum, so no fun for me in that regard.
Well, either way, my legacy will carry on. This game is as good as won for me and my mafia bros, but well played nonetheless naive townies.
Feel free to ask me anything you want to know while I'm still alive. This is your one-time chance to have a face to face talk with the mafia PR.
Its been a blast Ian, I would have really enjoyed that twist. Could have been hilarious
Dude I was so >:L all game
Thats fair, honestly, same. day 1 was so hard to follow
Whats the mafia's favourite flavour of ice cream?
Boot to the head.
:^)
Oh shit, how would I know the mafia's favourite flavour of ice cream? Hmm.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 06:39:24 pm
Hey ian, when I'm down there in the afterlife, won't ya wanna meet up for some tea or something? We could rule the underworld together~Sure, I hear there's some cool dead people pad in the afterlife
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 06:40:43 pm
Votes are meaningless from here
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 06:41:31 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:41:41 pm
Hey ian, when I'm down there in the afterlife, won't ya wanna meet up for some tea or something? We could rule the underworld together~Sure, I hear there's some cool dead people pad in the afterlife
I unironically think that would be super fun.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 06:42:52 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2020, 06:43:58 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 06:44:39 pm
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Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 06:46:24 pm
Guys, chill out, let me live my final 15 minutes in peaceWhy is he not getting any votes??!? (Still waiting for a picture to make me laugh though)
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Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 06:47:20 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 06:47:59 pm
So is DC's red lettering softing phoenix or softing scum?
Hes been using it all game
I meant to try to talk and soft something significant so mafia aims me instead of a useful role. But w3 died early, and then so many people got confirmed that it was impossible for mafia to even consider redirecting offensive skills, or the NK to me.
The red is arbitary. It's my 'war' chat colour. As opposed to this when not in 'war', ie, right now. I know I'm known for :time but I picked it to match the profile picture character mostly. Kinda.
The red is arbitary. It's my 'war' chat colour. As opposed to this when not in 'war', ie, right now. I know I'm known for :time but I picked it to match the profile picture character mostly. Kinda.
Or I'm just a phoenix maf ready to pounce on your every. Single. Mistake.
Guys, chill out, let me live my final 15 minutes in peaceWhy is he not getting any votes??!? (Still waiting for a picture to make me laugh though)
extension (1) - iancudorinmarian
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If you think ian is scum, extension is town xD
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 06:48:56 pm
Contractions (3) - rob77dp, MasterWalks, serprex
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:49:38 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 06:49:52 pm
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F40%2F6e%2F89%2F406e890824a532ddecb0180db83bbd5d--kakashi-hatake-quotes-naruto-kakashi-funny.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Post by: andretimpa on June 02, 2020, 06:49:58 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 06:50:20 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2020, 06:54:59 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 06:56:19 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 06:59:45 pm
andre (now that I see that scum was involved on the Annele train I'm no longer townreading him as much for choosing Annele over Link) shock(really weird that he chose to tr me from the start, esp since im usually better at this game than i did this time and thus him essentially confirming me town that early is kinda weird from a scumangle) and Geo(he's just really weird and poorly justifies his actions)
Hm, I dont really know about the not essentially mechanically confirmed people now that i try figuring out their agenda.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 02, 2020, 07:00:36 pm
Night 3
iancu decided to take a flight, just before the third night.
iancudorinmarian was lynched. He was an False God and a Arctic Squid.
As I will be unable to update the game before at least 12 hours after the original end of this phase, Night 3 is going to last 72 hours instead of the usual 48.
Night 3 has ended.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2020, 07:01:14 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 02, 2020, 07:02:05 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 07:02:16 pm
Why isnt DC ded?Poison triggers at the end of the night, not the end of the day. DC is merely informed of his demise should it happen tonight.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 07:03:31 pm
Why isnt DC ded?
I'm heartbroken... you want me gone so bad?
/me sniffles
Shitpost aside, I die at the end of the night.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 07:03:44 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 07:05:00 pm
Annele is Otyugh, but ian/Anne not w/w suggests DC doesn't need to be on him, correct?
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 07:06:12 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 07:08:33 pm
Shitpost aside,
So is DC's red lettering softing phoenix or softing scum?
Hes been using it all gameI meant to try to talk and soft something significant so mafia aims me instead of a useful role. But w3 died early, and then so many people got confirmed that it was impossible for mafia to even consider redirecting offensive skills, or the NK to me.
The red is arbitary. It's my 'war' chat colour. As opposed to this when not in 'war', ie, right now. I know I'm known for :time but I picked it to match the profile picture character mostly. Kinda.
Or I'm just a phoenix maf ready to pounce on your every. Single. Mistake.
TL;DR no real meaning, now was trying to bait maf kill/abilities but didn't work
I'm telling the truth though. I'm Town-sided Mind Flayer and I'll do what the plan does before I keel over
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 02, 2020, 07:09:16 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 07:13:21 pm
This extra day actually couldnt have come a better time, we have a lot of time to think about our plays today, because oh the times have changed.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 07:21:53 pm
[2020-06-02 14:32:45] killsdazombies: Hey ian
[2020-06-02 14:32:54] iancudorinmarian: hey
[2020-06-02 14:33:56] killsdazombies: When this is all over I really want some insight into the www3 thing, obv nothing now but it would be cool understand the mafia perspective of n0
[2020-06-02 14:34:11] iancudorinmarian: Sure
[2020-06-02 14:34:27] iancudorinmarian: I could even tell you right now if you want to
[2020-06-02 14:34:39] killsdazombies: Nah, I wouldnt believe it anyway
[2020-06-02 14:34:39] TheonlyrealBeef: That seems more like something fun than strategic if you ask me :silly:
[2020-06-02 14:35:07] iancudorinmarian: We picked w3 on a hunch
[2020-06-02 14:35:30] iancudorinmarian: You can't get more strategic than that with NK on N0
[2020-06-02 14:35:48] worldwideweb3: ‹@killsdazombies› is it really that hard? you obvs go for the best player and thats what they did :facepalm:
[2020-06-02 14:36:01] killsdazombies: Thats fair www3 :P
[2020-06-02 14:36:15] iancudorinmarian: We picked the most annoying player
[2020-06-02 14:36:24] killsdazombies: #roasted
[2020-06-02 14:36:48] TheonlyrealBeef: Wouldn't you want to keep those around to mess with town?
[2020-06-02 14:37:39] killsdazombies: Torb, when im mafia I usually just kill whoever I like the most
[2020-06-02 14:37:52] killsdazombies: Sends a message
[2020-06-02 14:38:19] iancudorinmarian: Don't worry townies, w3 would've been a terrible GN
[2020-06-02 14:38:23] killsdazombies: Feels fun to N0 your friend and then make eye contact as you put your head up to kill someone good
[2020-06-02 14:38:26] iancudorinmarian: We made you all a favour
[2020-06-02 14:42:19] PlayerOa: @kdz there is a dead player pad
[2020-06-02 14:42:42] iancudorinmarian: The legends are true PogChamp
[2020-06-02 14:42:43] killsdazombies: AWESOME
[2020-06-02 14:42:46] killsdazombies: Kill me now
[2020-06-02 14:42:56] killsdazombies: uhhhh I lied, ian is actually GN
[2020-06-02 14:43:09] iancudorinmarian: No, I choose death
[2020-06-02 14:43:09] PlayerOa: Does that mean the host wins?
[2020-06-02 14:43:18] rob77dp: host never wins, silly Oa
[2020-06-02 14:43:20] killsdazombies: The host never wins silly
[2020-06-02 14:43:22] killsdazombies: LMAO
[2020-06-02 14:43:26] iancudorinmarian: Bastard mod wins
[2020-06-02 14:43:27] killsdazombies: Rob, i love you
[2020-06-02 14:43:33] PlayerOa: :cwy:
[2020-06-02 14:43:47] rob77dp: kdz - start the club! ;)
[2020-06-02 14:54:14] DoubleCapitals: for shits and giggles
[2020-06-02 14:55:39] killsdazombies: Side note I wish shock would shit post here instead of in thread
[2020-06-02 14:55:45] killsdazombies: Would be much easier to shitpost back
[2020-06-02 14:56:08] iancudorinmarian: Imagine reading shock's posts
[2020-06-02 14:56:28] DoubleCapitals: im still salty he got a more fun role than me
[2020-06-02 14:56:30] DoubleCapitals: i want a refund
[2020-06-02 14:56:32] DoubleCapitals: :^)
[2020-06-02 14:56:44] killsdazombies: I like shitposts ian
[2020-06-02 14:56:59] iancudorinmarian: Oa bastard mod, he gave me Squid
[2020-06-02 14:57:03] killsdazombies: and dc, well, i hate to break it to you, but you might be returned to sender tonight >,>
[2020-06-02 14:57:07] iancudorinmarian: Which is unusable
[2020-06-02 14:57:15] killsdazombies: I was actually really really worried about squid
[2020-06-02 14:57:22] iancudorinmarian: Because you get lynched the moment you use it
[2020-06-02 14:57:44] killsdazombies: Mafia squid could cause Lynch or Lose to happen a day in advance without anyone knowing it
[2020-06-02 14:57:56] DoubleCapitals: so can Oty/Toadfish
[2020-06-02 14:57:59] iancudorinmarian: That was the plan
[2020-06-02 14:58:01] DoubleCapitals: and they're more fun
[2020-06-02 14:58:14] DoubleCapitals: ‹@killsdazombies› no u
[2020-06-02 14:58:14] iancudorinmarian: But yeah, it's worse oty/toad
[2020-06-02 14:58:17] DoubleCapitals: no us
[2020-06-02 14:58:21] killsdazombies: Yeah but squid is more fun imo
[2020-06-02 14:58:34] PlayerOa: ‹@iancudorinmarian› <3 you too
[2020-06-02 14:58:40] killsdazombies: You get to publicly stand up and tell everyone they lost to their face
[2020-06-02 14:58:48] killsdazombies: then NK someone
[2020-06-02 14:58:54] killsdazombies: Its the ultimate gloat role
[2020-06-02 14:59:13] iancudorinmarian: Then random angel/warden
[2020-06-02 14:59:19] iancudorinmarian: And you're fked
[2020-06-02 14:59:41] killsdazombies: I originally was hoping for Mafia/Splatoon
[2020-06-02 15:00:04] killsdazombies: We could have traded lives ian
[2020-06-02 15:00:10] killsdazombies: It would have been wonderful
[2020-06-02 15:00:20] DoubleCapitals: can y'all dance in my coffin in my honour
[2020-06-02 15:00:23] iancudorinmarian: You chose to live
[2020-06-02 15:00:36] killsdazombies: I can do a mean grave waltz dc
[2020-06-02 15:00:44] PlayerOa: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[2020-06-02 15:00:48] killsdazombies: Life is not a choice ian, but a curse
[2020-06-02 15:01:03] killsdazombies: and Im happy to free you of yours
[2020-06-02 15:01:04] iancudorinmarian: RIP
[2020-06-02 15:02:23] PlayerOa: YESS iancu that's some quality death post
[2020-06-02 15:02:55] DoubleCapitals: Oa hasn't told me I'm dying
[2020-06-02 15:02:58] DoubleCapitals: I live, biotch
[2020-06-02 15:03:00] DoubleCapitals: :^)
[2020-06-02 15:03:11] killsdazombies: Sad days
[2020-06-02 15:03:14] killsdazombies: I mean uhh
[2020-06-02 15:03:16] killsdazombies: good news DC!
[2020-06-02 15:03:21] PlayerOa: ‹@iancudorinmarian› PMed you dead pad
[2020-06-02 15:04:23] DoubleCapitals: ‹@PlayerOa› boo, you whore :(
[2020-06-02 15:05:07] worldwideweb3: ;shouldve made night a day shorter instead of a day longer :sillyspin:
[2020-06-02 15:10:28] DoubleCapitals: ‹@killsdazombies› aw
[2020-06-02 15:10:32] DoubleCapitals: looks like i die after all
[2020-06-02 15:10:56] PlayerOa: Also someone post this chatlog
[2020-06-02 15:11:07] PlayerOa: Whenever it ends, ofc :P
[2020-06-02 15:11:09] rob77dp: you're not my boss!
[2020-06-02 15:11:23] rob77dp: wait, sort of you are I guess
[2020-06-02 15:11:30] PlayerOa: Wanna get modkilled?
[2020-06-02 15:11:35] PlayerOa: :whistling:
[2020-06-02 15:12:15] iancudorinmarian: Try modkilling me, you bastard mod!
[2020-06-02 15:13:10] PlayerOa: I lowkey should have done 1 minute before deadline
[2020-06-02 15:14:38] killsdazombies: I just dont want to do the effort
[2020-06-02 15:14:42] killsdazombies: What should I make for food
[2020-06-02 15:14:48] killsdazombies: Or should I order out
[2020-06-02 14:32:54] iancudorinmarian: hey
[2020-06-02 14:33:56] killsdazombies: When this is all over I really want some insight into the www3 thing, obv nothing now but it would be cool understand the mafia perspective of n0
[2020-06-02 14:34:11] iancudorinmarian: Sure
[2020-06-02 14:34:27] iancudorinmarian: I could even tell you right now if you want to
[2020-06-02 14:34:39] killsdazombies: Nah, I wouldnt believe it anyway
[2020-06-02 14:34:39] TheonlyrealBeef: That seems more like something fun than strategic if you ask me :silly:
[2020-06-02 14:35:07] iancudorinmarian: We picked w3 on a hunch
[2020-06-02 14:35:30] iancudorinmarian: You can't get more strategic than that with NK on N0
[2020-06-02 14:35:48] worldwideweb3: ‹@killsdazombies› is it really that hard? you obvs go for the best player and thats what they did :facepalm:
[2020-06-02 14:36:01] killsdazombies: Thats fair www3 :P
[2020-06-02 14:36:15] iancudorinmarian: We picked the most annoying player
[2020-06-02 14:36:24] killsdazombies: #roasted
[2020-06-02 14:36:48] TheonlyrealBeef: Wouldn't you want to keep those around to mess with town?
[2020-06-02 14:37:39] killsdazombies: Torb, when im mafia I usually just kill whoever I like the most
[2020-06-02 14:37:52] killsdazombies: Sends a message
[2020-06-02 14:38:19] iancudorinmarian: Don't worry townies, w3 would've been a terrible GN
[2020-06-02 14:38:23] killsdazombies: Feels fun to N0 your friend and then make eye contact as you put your head up to kill someone good
[2020-06-02 14:38:26] iancudorinmarian: We made you all a favour
[2020-06-02 14:42:19] PlayerOa: @kdz there is a dead player pad
[2020-06-02 14:42:42] iancudorinmarian: The legends are true PogChamp
[2020-06-02 14:42:43] killsdazombies: AWESOME
[2020-06-02 14:42:46] killsdazombies: Kill me now
[2020-06-02 14:42:56] killsdazombies: uhhhh I lied, ian is actually GN
[2020-06-02 14:43:09] iancudorinmarian: No, I choose death
[2020-06-02 14:43:09] PlayerOa: Does that mean the host wins?
[2020-06-02 14:43:18] rob77dp: host never wins, silly Oa
[2020-06-02 14:43:20] killsdazombies: The host never wins silly
[2020-06-02 14:43:22] killsdazombies: LMAO
[2020-06-02 14:43:26] iancudorinmarian: Bastard mod wins
[2020-06-02 14:43:27] killsdazombies: Rob, i love you
[2020-06-02 14:43:33] PlayerOa: :cwy:
[2020-06-02 14:43:47] rob77dp: kdz - start the club! ;)
[2020-06-02 14:44:18] rob77dp: I once played a game of mafia so bastard you wouldn't believe if I described it
[2020-06-02 14:44:23] killsdazombies: will do rob
[2020-06-02 14:44:34] killsdazombies: Dude, same
[2020-06-02 14:44:38] killsdazombies: I can be vicious in the right group
[2020-06-02 14:44:40] rob77dp: and also once played in a three-faction game (not here) that ended in a legit DRAW/tie/stalemate
[2020-06-02 14:44:50] killsdazombies: Once I did something kinda scummy though
[2020-06-02 14:45:09] killsdazombies: I Mk'd myself so town couldnt lynch me and they could actually lynch someone useful
[2020-06-02 14:45:12] killsdazombies: >,>
[2020-06-02 14:45:15] killsdazombies: Im not proud of that one
[2020-06-02 14:45:22] killsdazombies: well, I threatened to
[2020-06-02 14:45:27] iancudorinmarian: lol
[2020-06-02 14:45:28] rob77dp: bastard meaning... not mean/vicious/aggressive but as in unrelated or not born of a "real" mafia game :-s
[2020-06-02 14:45:35] killsdazombies: ahhhh
[2020-06-02 14:46:19] killsdazombies: We were playing with in person cards, and I was being a little TOO chaotic (IE Seconding every single accusation, just trying to be scummy af) and I finally had a line on the whole mafia group, but they were leading the charge on me
[2020-06-02 14:46:32] killsdazombies: so I said Id rather flip my card here and now so we could actually accomplish something today
[2020-06-02 14:46:47] killsdazombies: I was uhhh a little drunk at the time
[2020-06-02 14:46:52] rob77dp: :awesome: heh
[2020-06-02 14:46:55] killsdazombies: >,>
[2020-06-02 14:47:22] killsdazombies: I really hope my convention doesnt get canceled this year
[2020-06-02 14:47:27] killsdazombies: and by that I mean I hope this virus is over by then
[2020-06-02 14:47:32] rob77dp: this other game... well, it has a Serial Killer role (un-aligned faction of 1)
[2020-06-02 14:47:41] killsdazombies: I love that role
[2020-06-02 14:47:48] rob77dp: a secret unrevealed small quantity faction that converts
[2020-06-02 14:48:00] rob77dp: a town faction, regular town with some various town roles and such
[2020-06-02 14:48:07] rob77dp: a mafia faction
[2020-06-02 14:48:25] rob77dp: and if I recall correctly some sort of weird alter-faction unrelated to the above
[2020-06-02 14:48:30] killsdazombies: Oh so like a vampire/Werewolf
[2020-06-02 14:48:42] killsdazombies: Or something like that, I've played something similar
[2020-06-02 14:48:48] rob77dp: flip reveal modifying aspects
[2020-06-02 14:48:57] rob77dp: that is, a scum player flips and looks green, for the next day phase
[2020-06-02 14:49:10] DoubleCapitals: green as in
[2020-06-02 14:49:11] DoubleCapitals: town?
[2020-06-02 14:49:16] rob77dp: closed setup too, so going in the 20-some of us playing only knew a very small fraction of this outrageious stuff
[2020-06-02 14:49:33] rob77dp: yes DC - a non town player flipped GREEN when killed during the night
[2020-06-02 14:49:52] rob77dp: after end of the next day/night cycle the old post revealing that player's death changed to red and their actual non-town role/faction
[2020-06-02 14:49:55] rob77dp: :o
[2020-06-02 14:50:13] killsdazombies: I cant tell if that sounds awesome or awful
[2020-06-02 14:50:16] DoubleCapitals: oops
[2020-06-02 14:50:17] killsdazombies: Im leaning on awful rn
[2020-06-02 14:50:21] DoubleCapitals: isn't that a bit bastard
[2020-06-02 14:50:31] rob77dp: I don't regret participating
[2020-06-02 14:50:40] rob77dp: but if I knew going in what I know now I wouldn't sign up
[2020-06-02 14:50:44] DoubleCapitals: sounds like death miller which is a kinda
[2020-06-02 14:50:46] DoubleCapitals: touchy topic
[2020-06-02 14:50:53] DoubleCapitals: not here but elsewhere
[2020-06-02 14:51:01] rob77dp: it was def touchy in that game as things unfolded
[2020-06-02 14:51:24] rob77dp: I've been peeked red by real town cop when I am town before in a game as well >.< that was REALLY aggrevating.
[2020-06-02 14:51:56] DoubleCapitals: if i do go through with my closed
[2020-06-02 14:52:03] DoubleCapitals: I promise no lying about cop reports
[2020-06-02 14:52:08] DoubleCapitals: and no faction flips
[2020-06-02 14:54:10] DoubleCapitals: I should vote serp now[2020-06-02 14:44:23] killsdazombies: will do rob
[2020-06-02 14:44:34] killsdazombies: Dude, same
[2020-06-02 14:44:38] killsdazombies: I can be vicious in the right group
[2020-06-02 14:44:40] rob77dp: and also once played in a three-faction game (not here) that ended in a legit DRAW/tie/stalemate
[2020-06-02 14:44:50] killsdazombies: Once I did something kinda scummy though
[2020-06-02 14:45:09] killsdazombies: I Mk'd myself so town couldnt lynch me and they could actually lynch someone useful
[2020-06-02 14:45:12] killsdazombies: >,>
[2020-06-02 14:45:15] killsdazombies: Im not proud of that one
[2020-06-02 14:45:22] killsdazombies: well, I threatened to
[2020-06-02 14:45:27] iancudorinmarian: lol
[2020-06-02 14:45:28] rob77dp: bastard meaning... not mean/vicious/aggressive but as in unrelated or not born of a "real" mafia game :-s
[2020-06-02 14:45:35] killsdazombies: ahhhh
[2020-06-02 14:46:19] killsdazombies: We were playing with in person cards, and I was being a little TOO chaotic (IE Seconding every single accusation, just trying to be scummy af) and I finally had a line on the whole mafia group, but they were leading the charge on me
[2020-06-02 14:46:32] killsdazombies: so I said Id rather flip my card here and now so we could actually accomplish something today
[2020-06-02 14:46:47] killsdazombies: I was uhhh a little drunk at the time
[2020-06-02 14:46:52] rob77dp: :awesome: heh
[2020-06-02 14:46:55] killsdazombies: >,>
[2020-06-02 14:47:22] killsdazombies: I really hope my convention doesnt get canceled this year
[2020-06-02 14:47:27] killsdazombies: and by that I mean I hope this virus is over by then
[2020-06-02 14:47:32] rob77dp: this other game... well, it has a Serial Killer role (un-aligned faction of 1)
[2020-06-02 14:47:41] killsdazombies: I love that role
[2020-06-02 14:47:48] rob77dp: a secret unrevealed small quantity faction that converts
[2020-06-02 14:48:00] rob77dp: a town faction, regular town with some various town roles and such
[2020-06-02 14:48:07] rob77dp: a mafia faction
[2020-06-02 14:48:25] rob77dp: and if I recall correctly some sort of weird alter-faction unrelated to the above
[2020-06-02 14:48:30] killsdazombies: Oh so like a vampire/Werewolf
[2020-06-02 14:48:42] killsdazombies: Or something like that, I've played something similar
[2020-06-02 14:48:48] rob77dp: flip reveal modifying aspects
[2020-06-02 14:48:57] rob77dp: that is, a scum player flips and looks green, for the next day phase
[2020-06-02 14:49:10] DoubleCapitals: green as in
[2020-06-02 14:49:11] DoubleCapitals: town?
[2020-06-02 14:49:16] rob77dp: closed setup too, so going in the 20-some of us playing only knew a very small fraction of this outrageious stuff
[2020-06-02 14:49:33] rob77dp: yes DC - a non town player flipped GREEN when killed during the night
[2020-06-02 14:49:52] rob77dp: after end of the next day/night cycle the old post revealing that player's death changed to red and their actual non-town role/faction
[2020-06-02 14:49:55] rob77dp: :o
[2020-06-02 14:50:13] killsdazombies: I cant tell if that sounds awesome or awful
[2020-06-02 14:50:16] DoubleCapitals: oops
[2020-06-02 14:50:17] killsdazombies: Im leaning on awful rn
[2020-06-02 14:50:21] DoubleCapitals: isn't that a bit bastard
[2020-06-02 14:50:31] rob77dp: I don't regret participating
[2020-06-02 14:50:40] rob77dp: but if I knew going in what I know now I wouldn't sign up
[2020-06-02 14:50:44] DoubleCapitals: sounds like death miller which is a kinda
[2020-06-02 14:50:46] DoubleCapitals: touchy topic
[2020-06-02 14:50:53] DoubleCapitals: not here but elsewhere
[2020-06-02 14:51:01] rob77dp: it was def touchy in that game as things unfolded
[2020-06-02 14:51:24] rob77dp: I've been peeked red by real town cop when I am town before in a game as well >.< that was REALLY aggrevating.
[2020-06-02 14:51:56] DoubleCapitals: if i do go through with my closed
[2020-06-02 14:52:03] DoubleCapitals: I promise no lying about cop reports
[2020-06-02 14:52:08] DoubleCapitals: and no faction flips
[2020-06-02 14:54:14] DoubleCapitals: for shits and giggles
[2020-06-02 14:55:39] killsdazombies: Side note I wish shock would shit post here instead of in thread
[2020-06-02 14:55:45] killsdazombies: Would be much easier to shitpost back
[2020-06-02 14:56:08] iancudorinmarian: Imagine reading shock's posts
[2020-06-02 14:56:28] DoubleCapitals: im still salty he got a more fun role than me
[2020-06-02 14:56:30] DoubleCapitals: i want a refund
[2020-06-02 14:56:32] DoubleCapitals: :^)
[2020-06-02 14:56:44] killsdazombies: I like shitposts ian
[2020-06-02 14:56:59] iancudorinmarian: Oa bastard mod, he gave me Squid
[2020-06-02 14:57:03] killsdazombies: and dc, well, i hate to break it to you, but you might be returned to sender tonight >,>
[2020-06-02 14:57:07] iancudorinmarian: Which is unusable
[2020-06-02 14:57:15] killsdazombies: I was actually really really worried about squid
[2020-06-02 14:57:22] iancudorinmarian: Because you get lynched the moment you use it
[2020-06-02 14:57:44] killsdazombies: Mafia squid could cause Lynch or Lose to happen a day in advance without anyone knowing it
[2020-06-02 14:57:56] DoubleCapitals: so can Oty/Toadfish
[2020-06-02 14:57:59] iancudorinmarian: That was the plan
[2020-06-02 14:58:01] DoubleCapitals: and they're more fun
[2020-06-02 14:58:14] DoubleCapitals: ‹@killsdazombies› no u
[2020-06-02 14:58:14] iancudorinmarian: But yeah, it's worse oty/toad
[2020-06-02 14:58:17] DoubleCapitals: no us
[2020-06-02 14:58:21] killsdazombies: Yeah but squid is more fun imo
[2020-06-02 14:58:34] PlayerOa: ‹@iancudorinmarian› <3 you too
[2020-06-02 14:58:40] killsdazombies: You get to publicly stand up and tell everyone they lost to their face
[2020-06-02 14:58:48] killsdazombies: then NK someone
[2020-06-02 14:58:54] killsdazombies: Its the ultimate gloat role
[2020-06-02 14:59:13] iancudorinmarian: Then random angel/warden
[2020-06-02 14:59:19] iancudorinmarian: And you're fked
[2020-06-02 14:59:41] killsdazombies: I originally was hoping for Mafia/Splatoon
[2020-06-02 15:00:04] killsdazombies: We could have traded lives ian
[2020-06-02 15:00:10] killsdazombies: It would have been wonderful
[2020-06-02 15:00:20] DoubleCapitals: can y'all dance in my coffin in my honour
[2020-06-02 15:00:23] iancudorinmarian: You chose to live
[2020-06-02 15:00:36] killsdazombies: I can do a mean grave waltz dc
[2020-06-02 15:00:44] PlayerOa: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[2020-06-02 15:00:48] killsdazombies: Life is not a choice ian, but a curse
[2020-06-02 15:01:03] killsdazombies: and Im happy to free you of yours
[2020-06-02 15:01:04] iancudorinmarian: RIP
[2020-06-02 15:02:23] PlayerOa: YESS iancu that's some quality death post
[2020-06-02 15:02:55] DoubleCapitals: Oa hasn't told me I'm dying
[2020-06-02 15:02:58] DoubleCapitals: I live, biotch
[2020-06-02 15:03:00] DoubleCapitals: :^)
[2020-06-02 15:03:11] killsdazombies: Sad days
[2020-06-02 15:03:14] killsdazombies: I mean uhh
[2020-06-02 15:03:16] killsdazombies: good news DC!
[2020-06-02 15:03:21] PlayerOa: ‹@iancudorinmarian› PMed you dead pad
[2020-06-02 15:04:23] DoubleCapitals: ‹@PlayerOa› boo, you whore :(
[2020-06-02 15:05:07] worldwideweb3: ;shouldve made night a day shorter instead of a day longer :sillyspin:
[2020-06-02 15:10:28] DoubleCapitals: ‹@killsdazombies› aw
[2020-06-02 15:10:32] DoubleCapitals: looks like i die after all
[2020-06-02 15:10:56] PlayerOa: Also someone post this chatlog
[2020-06-02 15:11:07] PlayerOa: Whenever it ends, ofc :P
[2020-06-02 15:11:09] rob77dp: you're not my boss!
[2020-06-02 15:11:23] rob77dp: wait, sort of you are I guess
[2020-06-02 15:11:30] PlayerOa: Wanna get modkilled?
[2020-06-02 15:11:35] PlayerOa: :whistling:
[2020-06-02 15:12:15] iancudorinmarian: Try modkilling me, you bastard mod!
[2020-06-02 15:13:10] PlayerOa: I lowkey should have done 1 minute before deadline
[2020-06-02 15:14:38] killsdazombies: I just dont want to do the effort
[2020-06-02 15:14:42] killsdazombies: What should I make for food
[2020-06-02 15:14:48] killsdazombies: Or should I order out
Two layers of spoilers, First is the chat log from the EoD stuff, Second spoiler is us talking about Bastard games, not related to this mafia topic, but still, mafia enough i wouldnt feel comfortable not including it.
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 07:25:40 pm
My town core, ride or die, after the flip-
serp
+
kdz/MW
Sub, you're still close by and I have a town-read on you... but today's events just have these other three obviously far ahead of you.
And I'm going to start out at least considering Annele/iancu as not-w/w so Annele welcome to neutral land for a bit while I sort it out later tonight.
I think EOD 1 action by iancu was intent to kill voting on Annele, which leaves me pondering how likely he would have been to bus a teammate that was somewhat inactive and getting heat early. I've posted elsewhere that I think those two are not-w/w.... but on re-read Annele was a legit wagon with chance to die on Day 1 which is when a bus attempt can 'feel right' for scum to do. I'm tunneling aren't I?
The shock/kae thing needs lots of attention I'd say too.
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2020, 07:26:21 pm
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 07:29:29 pm
serp Deja
vv
kdz GN on cooldown
mw Dragonfly
v
timpa ?
rob Egg
v-
sub ?
n+
kae Shrieker, have fun underground
dc Flayer, target Annele
cal Green, target timpa or sub today
n
shock Egg?
n-
annele Oty, target geo
w
geo ?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 02, 2020, 07:32:05 pm
I agree on the whole shock/kae thing too its all very very confusing to me. I'm hoping a reread with this ian revelation will bring about some insight I didnt previously have.
I'm going to take some time to decompress and relax though, eod had me stressing. I'll be back later tonight :)
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 07:39:14 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 02, 2020, 07:58:51 pm
Here rob, have a bad pun.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F40%2F6e%2F89%2F406e890824a532ddecb0180db83bbd5d--kakashi-hatake-quotes-naruto-kakashi-funny.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 08:00:36 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2020, 08:02:08 pm
My town core, ride or die, after the flip-Understandable. This was a good harvest, and I feel like we are back on track after a losing streak, so no worries.
serp
+
kdz/MW
Sub, you're still close by and I have a town-read on you... but today's events just have these other three obviously far ahead of you.
cal Green, target timpa or sub todayI do not require greens tonight, feel free to poke elsewhere.
Then Linkcat lead a change on Annele which would be real scummy to not go along with, such as when you're Sub going to bed 1:22 before hard deadlineIt was midnight and I wanted to go to sleep. But out of curiosity, I decided to read the final few pages before turning off the computer, then I saw my name being called out, which made me skip ahead in urgency and drop a vote on Annele. Link was upset, I thought he was lynched, and I almost started blaming myself. I quickly entered Blab chat to confirm the situation. Then www told me to go to sleep, so I did.
In hindsight, I should have only read the latest posts and shouldn't have cared about reading up. (TWICE!)
Updates in my readlist:
4. Annele: I read back ian's posts, and he had a lot of heat against Annele. +
11. MasterWalks: He confirmed the tiebreaker between kdz and ian. +
15. killsdazombies: He kills da zombies. ++
Reading more into v/w and w/w interactions is not something I planned for today, so let that be a song for another day.~
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 08:02:25 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 08:35:54 pm
Potential check: someone with higher priority than Anubis target kaempfAt first i thought that plan was stupid, but then i remembered that Calindu already targeted me last round, so it actually works, as if i was Anubis that wasted his ability n2 on serp my ability wouldnt be ready until this night. So yh sure, since I'm obv not confirmed enough go for it.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 08:37:23 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 08:40:10 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2020, 08:41:57 pm
Also: why didn't ian target Calindu N2?He said (officially here) he was afraid that ever using that ability would confirm him scum. And sure enough MW tracked him.
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 08:42:21 pm
Post by: serprex on June 02, 2020, 08:42:51 pm
Also: why didn't ian target Calindu N2?He said (officially here) he was afraid that ever using that ability would confirm him scum. And sure enough MW tracked him.
Ah
Post by: PlayerOa on June 02, 2020, 08:43:53 pm
serp: yes
Post by: rob77dp on June 03, 2020, 03:43:57 am
vvv
serp Deja
vv
kdz GN on cooldown
mw Dragonfly
v
timpa ?
rob Egg
v-
sub ?
n+
kae Shrieker, have fun underground
dc Flayer, target Annele
cal Green, target timpa or sub today
n
shock Egg?
n-
annele Oty, target geo
w
geo ?
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 03:53:24 am
I expect a quiet night. Unless shock's phase 3 really is on tonight
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 03, 2020, 03:58:38 am
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 04:13:55 am
So 7 solid town out of 12. Leaves 60% Annele is scum as an optimistic estimate
Is it worth it for scum!Annele to seek town cred & devour geo? No, because right now geo being tomorrow's next lynch is her way to survive another day. So 60% we skip lynch but are now in a world where Annele isn't tomorrow's mislynch, 40% we skip a NK by accelerating geo's flip & get to flip shock before Annele
But I expect Anubis would target geo in that world. & mw won't see who targetted geo if he targets geo because Anubis blocks that. So in the 40% world we don't get an extra lynch
tl;dr DC please continue targetting Annele
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 04:15:08 am
Post by: rob77dp on June 03, 2020, 04:15:26 am
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
*abstention* (3) - DC, TorB, kdz
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa, Submachine
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (9) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, Submachine, andretimpa
From Day 2, I think Cal gets a town lean/bump because I suspect ian would have felt motivation to be on Link to better ensure not losing Cal in that EOD2. Nothing solid, but ... yeah.
Still on Day 2, it looks to me like at least one of Ge0 / Annele / DC is mafia should Cal be town. We'll know on DC soonTM... was that remnant of a kae wagon on Day 2 end leftoevers from a race between Annele and kae that day? I could see a scum!Annele scenario where teammates Ge0/Annele are motivated to be on kae to make sure his wagong gains steam to surpass Annele but then when Link/Cal take over as the leading lynch candidates (if Cal is town) then it went from saving scum!Annele to t/t wagons and as mafia who gives a rip in that world right? (Fly in my soup, or wrench in my plans, there being that I think Annele probably legit AWOL at EOD.)
Ugh - getting late for me tonight and those EOD totals are making me cross-eyed. Maybe others weigh in? Or I'll look more later.
Note: kdz/MW are green because I consider them lock!town; serp is lock for me too. I obviously colored myself YMMV.
Post by: Submachine on June 03, 2020, 10:24:43 am
(Previous day I thought Cal can make kdz use his ability again today, but then I remembered GN has a special restriction. So this is mostly for Eggs and other Vultures.)
I also believe I have stuff that can contribute more on the long run.~
For any Psions out there, I suggest checking Geo's claim. He is one of the 4-5 people who can be Anubis.
It has been only implied but not said outright, but in case DC does not block Annele, that seems to be the concensus that Annele does not use her ability tonight anyway. (So, just in case DC doesn't do the flay, Annele can stay.)
I already know what I am doing tonight.~
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 03, 2020, 10:30:15 am
Being conftown seems much more fun than regular n, then people would finally stop saying that "Sub is just Sub".Sasuga Sub-sama
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 03, 2020, 11:05:41 am
Mind Flayer on someone who's gonna unleash a special surprise and doesn't need to use her ability until the time is ripe - good shit.
Doesn't mean she's town if I flip town though
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 12:59:11 pm
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 01:32:19 pm
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 01:39:35 pm
Prefer geo to target Annele & then we can have competing wagons between them
Post by: rob77dp on June 03, 2020, 02:02:10 pm
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 02:07:19 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 03, 2020, 02:07:46 pm
You're not trying to direct a possible extra GN onto you knowing their is a guard or other ability going to block it, are you? That would be scummy. Especially under the guise of how much fun it would be for you to be confirmed?
Post by: rob77dp on June 03, 2020, 02:11:36 pm
team: geo/ian/kdz/anneleso hypothesis being Ian volunteered or was chosen as tribute to deep cover kdz, they play out some theatrics in the thread day 3, and Ge0 didn't want to vote his teammate kdz so he pre-reads kdz as town on flimsy reasoning? Annele just being a high scumread to fill out the quartet?
\shock probably a great precog target if there is one running around.
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 02:13:00 pm
-snip-
Sub - Bad plans as usual.
-snip-
This gave me such town reads on ian
Post by: Submachine on June 03, 2020, 03:28:11 pm
I'm also not too keen on Sub's desire to be checked... There are I believe better POE targets, ones much more valuable for town to clear\catch then a widely townread Sub.I don't see a problem with that scenario. If it fails, it's a free lynch on me.
You're not trying to direct a possible extra GN onto you knowing their is a guard or other ability going to block it, are you? That would be scummy. Especially under the guise of how much fun it would be for you to be confirmed?
Post by: rob77dp on June 03, 2020, 06:10:35 pm
which is bad if you're town and scum immaterializes you or guards or something. I guess my main point really is that IF town had peeks in play I think someone from the Poe (not dead-soon-DC) is better town return value. No, maybe not, am I wrong? Just weighing in - a peek is a peek I guess but we want to be as smart as possible with it should it be available.I'm also not too keen on Sub's desire to be checked... There are I believe better POE targets, ones much more valuable for town to clear\catch then a widely townread Sub.I don't see a problem with that scenario. If it fails, it's a free lynch on me.
You're not trying to direct a possible extra GN onto you knowing their is a guard or other ability going to block it, are you? That would be scummy. Especially under the guise of how much fun it would be for you to be confirmed?
Post by: serprex on June 03, 2020, 06:52:13 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 03, 2020, 07:52:27 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 04, 2020, 02:11:28 am
No trouble I'd say. Time will tell how interesting I find you seemingly earnest desire to get checked though. :)
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 05, 2020, 05:36:45 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 05, 2020, 05:43:49 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 10:33:04 am
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 10:39:34 am
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
After some rethinking every other team just makes less sense. my cases on them arent particularly solid, but everyone else is townier or doesnt fit in with the remaining team.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 10:48:19 am
Ge0: pretty straightforward, everything he does just seems to try and meet expectations rather than solve. He made a readlist once where he put people at not n because people asked him to and since has made his votes pretty much in accordance to that readlist with no new reasons given.
shockcannon: As an egg with unclaimed n1 action he could well be the anubis that targeted serp. also, it's shock, so I'm used to him being extremely antitown town and pretty much just accept any decent reason to tr him. I dont think his behaviour was worse than usual ftr and claiming gn on me is mostly towny, but I have been so horribly wrong he might actually wanted me alive. at this point other people have been townier, so I think he falls off by PoE.
andre: Has just been really mediocre and doesnt gain towncred for voting alongside ian anymore; who knows why scum wanted Annele dead moreso than Link but ian pretty much proves they did.
Post by: andretimpa on June 05, 2020, 01:07:42 pm
At last some activity in this thread. Sorry for just being over there, this has been very low on my priorities these last days. Here's a detail you forgot: since rob targeted serp in n1 he could also have been the anubis.
I do agree however that between rob and shock, shock has been playing the scummier game.
Post by: serprex on June 05, 2020, 01:53:27 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 02:15:41 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 02:18:45 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 02:24:08 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 05, 2020, 06:03:45 pm
Ian, thanks for taking the fall for us, I had hope we didn't need to and I tried my best to point fingers at kdz himself, I tried to defend him to the end and maybe I've bussed you too late? I'll meet you soon. You did great, bud.
Shock, man, your energy is really something (not something I can always keep up with, but you're always fun to see). Keep it up and we'll reach the endgame soon ;)
Annele... uh, just eat someone tonight LOL. Try to pin the shit on Geo for ez mislynch. We should be at LyLo within a day or two.
Eh, didn't wanna do a "You are already dead", so....
Overheard in Elements Forums after Mafia 73:
“He got me,” DC said of Linkcat's dunk over him. "That f***ing Link boomed me."
DC added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times.
DC then said he wanted to add Link to the list of scumhunters he works out with this summer.
Overheard in Elements Forums after Mafia 73:
“He got me,” DC said of Linkcat's dunk over him. "That f***ing Link boomed me."
DC added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times.
DC then said he wanted to add Link to the list of scumhunters he works out with this summer.
Right, DC out, y'all
Post by: killsdazombies on June 05, 2020, 06:21:18 pm
Post by: serprex on June 05, 2020, 06:25:16 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 05, 2020, 06:30:01 pm
If you are mafia you gotta post meme pictures so we have something to remember you by
Oa be looking at me like
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVr7bL2X4AATKHV.jpg)
Post by: killsdazombies on June 05, 2020, 06:42:29 pm
If you are mafia you gotta post meme pictures so we have something to remember you by
Oa be looking at me like
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVr7bL2X4AATKHV.jpg)
Quality
Post by: killsdazombies on June 05, 2020, 06:59:40 pm
WW
W
Geo - My gut says DC's post is WIFOM. Geo did "Side" with me earlier, calling me probably town, but I don't buy it. Theyve said shit that sounds good, but they haven't actually contributed something of value. It looks, at least to me, like a mafia trying to get credit for "I told you guys they were town" when I flipped that day. I could be wrong, I'm only about 75/25 sure on them. Serp can decide if thats good enough for them.
DC - Hopefully you flip mafia mate. I was honestly starting to doubt myself just a little bit at the end there. Also, fun closing post.
N
Annele (N-) - Please post something. Honestly, this flying under the radar thing is going to be up soon.
Timpa (N+) -
Ian voted with intent Here
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Which brings me to doubt them as mafia, they aren't in the clear, it could have been ian trying to secure some town cred by sacing off timpa, but I doubt that would happen on D1. I'm really unsure on this, but I want to believe they are town.
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Which brings me to doubt them as mafia, they aren't in the clear, it could have been ian trying to secure some town cred by sacing off timpa, but I doubt that would happen on D1. I'm really unsure on this, but I want to believe they are town.
Sub (N) - Playing a usual sub game. I can't quite get a read on them. Usually I get like, a gut feeling and sorta run with that, but with I examine subs posts I get... nothing. Its really weird. They seem like they are playing a town game, but under a different light some of their calls for mass role claim and some shaky plans to have themselves targeted with GN makes me uncomfortable.
Shock (???) - What the fuck is even happening here. You could kill them for the sake of stability and I wouldnt bat an eye.
Calin (N-) - At this point cali exists in a state of flux for me. I think its entirely possible they could flip either way, and I wouldn't be surprised. I would guess if DC flips mafia, we should trust linkcats initial read, if it was on the money once it might be twice.
Rob - Serp seems to trust them, and I trust serp.
V
MW - I dont think the mafia would have risked such a public discussion on ian, I was initially upset at MW for ruining my "Master plan" but I misunderstood their role, and to an extent my own.
Kae - In the Shock/Kae scenario I admit, I'm very confused. They're posting incredibly town though, so I place my faith in them
VV
Me - I believe I was conf in my fight with ian, but some of ya'll have some tinfoil so wtf do I know
Serp - Conf by moe
I would like to add, in my eyes NO ONE should get town cred for ians death. The mafia knew ian would die eventually either that day or the next. It would make sense to hop on ian early, and i'm SURE ian is smart enough to suggest that himself.
My final words - Eye up geo. My previous list was Ian/Geo/DC/???
If were lucky, we enter tonight needing to only find two left.
Geo/Shock/Cali are all prime suspects, but don't disregard Annele/Timpa.
Please beat my prediction of 2 mafia then lose.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 05, 2020, 07:04:34 pm
Day 4
Your survived the night, hurray. You get to live for another day.
serprex was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Deja Vu.
DoubleCapitals died of Poison. He was an Elemental and a Mind Flayer.
Day 4 has ended.
Post by: Calindu on June 05, 2020, 07:05:12 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 07:08:02 pm
welp, thats the only one I have a decently well-founded scumread on
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 05, 2020, 07:10:40 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 05, 2020, 07:11:42 pm
kaempfer13
Calindu
Submachine
MasterWalks
andretimpa
rob77dp
shockcannon
killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2
3 v 7
Assuming the do some shenanigans during the night, I think the worst we can get its 3 - 4 unless they have anubis AND Warden AND otyugh.
While I support a geo kill right now, I think its important to wait for people to get on. I'm interested to hear what some people have to say, in particular Kae on the failed target, MW on anything they learned, and the fate eggs.
@DC You baited me you nerd
Post by: serprex on June 05, 2020, 07:13:16 pm
I already saw it coming.
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2020, 07:18:12 pm
SHOCKed if ian flips and is town.
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2020, 07:24:44 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 07:27:01 pm
AnneleI'm burrowed obv; i claimed crusader, becoming shrieker, have received adrenaline from Cal last night so i can vote and he targeted me again to check that my claim is true.
kaempfer13
Calindu
Submachine
MasterWalks
andretimpa
rob77dp
shockcannon
killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2
3 v 7
Assuming the do some shenanigans during the night, I think the worst we can get its 3 - 4 unless they have anubis AND Warden AND otyugh.
While I support a geo kill right now, I think its important to wait for people to get on. I'm interested to hear what some people have to say, in particular Kae on the failed target, MW on anything they learned, and the fate eggs.
@DC You baited me you nerd
Post by: killsdazombies on June 05, 2020, 07:36:13 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 05, 2020, 07:49:29 pm
rob, did you have your shocking revelation?SHOCKed if ian flips and is town.
Nevermind, the way i did that was stupid. Rob might understand what I meant.I think I have a minor revelation... But only on phone a little now to check start of day etc. Sadly I think MW and I crossed streams last night. Back later around ~6 hours should be.
Post by: rob77dp on June 05, 2020, 07:51:15 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2020, 07:57:14 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 08:00:02 pm
@calin,This looks like Calin and ian are not aligned.
1) My vote switches weren't random.
2) rob is currently my strongest town read after the deja vu pair
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarianSeems reluctant, I'll have to find the conversation that led up to this.
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Fine by me.
Iancu are you okay with lynching andre? If so then we can end this charade. Annele is being voted as a viable counterwagon because shock, MW, and serp are being dumb by voting me, Annele and kaempfer's votes are legit.I don't even know anymore. Way too much stuff going on. I could be persuaded to lynch you, even. I'll try the Annele lynch, I'll see where trusting rob takes me.
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
I wouldn't be opposed to a timpa lynch tbh. He didn't really contribute much except for a small poke at rob. Although I don't necessarily scumread him (timpa), I'm still against no-lynch as a concept. So unless timpa comes up with something, I would probably place him at "n-".TorB, I'm not going to do a read on everyone. I simply lack the motivation to go through so many posts. If there are a few people I've omitted that you want an opinion on, feel free to ask.andre and Sub currently have the most lynch votes. You put Sub as n, so let's look at andre. Are you okay with him being lynched, or is there someone else you would prefer getting lynched?
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
Albeit late, here's my updated readlist.
vv
serprex - you know why
v
rob - Still my strongest town read. Make of that what you wish.
n+
TorB - I can see where kae is coming from, but it feels way too conspiracy theory to me. TorB is still a town-lean for me.
MW - Not sure what to think of him. He's asking for the reads of some very specific people. Town behaviour, I'd say.
n
shock - I don't even read his posts. I'm too low IQ to understand, so I just ignore.
Calin - I haven't seen anything unusual from him yet.
Sub - I don't know. I don't like reading walls of texts, so I kinda ignore those. People with more patience can feel free to analyze them better.
kdz, DC, Ge0 - No clue whatsoever.
n-
Linkcat - U N L Y N C H A B L E
andre - Still one of the people I suspect. To be honest, I don't like how easy it was to forget about him entirely.
w
Annele - I really don't like how hard she was to lynch D1.
kae - As said, his theories feel way too conspiracy-oriented.
ww
iancu--Unfortunately, my role is not an information role at all, and that's all I'll say about it.
This is about the point in the game(s?) I recall town you revealing juicy tidbits of info you've collected while flying mostly under the radar. Remind me, are you just sheeping my Annele read or are you on an independent scumread of her??
My Annele scumread started with sheeping yours, but while you seem to have mostly let that be in the past, I'm still clinging on to it. That's about all I have, even at this late stage of the game. I don't really have a plan tbh, too many fate eggs, too many unknowns still.
I kinda skimmed through posts. So I guess it's time to make up my own list.
vv - deja vu's. Impossible (?) to counterclaim
serp
moe
v
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I don't think he's mafia.
n+
TorB - similar playstyle as last time I played with him.
n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
Sub - Bad plans as usual.
n-
shock -I agree, he's too quiet. Although he could just be bored.Out of town, apparently
Fixing vote count. Also, probably not voting today.
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2020, 08:01:24 pm
I think I have a minor revelation... [...] Sadly I think MW and I crossed streams last night.I think you think the same thing as I am thinking. Third time's the charm, eh?
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 08:02:15 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2020, 08:03:54 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 05, 2020, 08:04:32 pm
Are we certain there's an Anubis?nah, it was you who targeted serp n1.
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2020, 08:06:56 pm
I'll try the Annele lynch, I'll see where trusting rob takes me.This is what sticks out to me at first glance. If Ian knew Annele was town, maybe he wanted to throw shade at rob in case the lynch succeeds. Or he did not want to be held responsible for a lynch that he knew was going to flip town.
Are we certain there's an Anubis?Serprex claimed to become immaterial one night. If anyone became immaterial tonight, that proves there is Anubis.
But for all we know, it could have been a Fate Egg messing with us.
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2020, 08:11:29 pm
So just to silence MasterWalks making random theories..
Mafia has an anubis. That anubis has secured NK on me (to be refunded whenever) to prevent Heal blocking
Either rob is town fate egg psion who was blocked due to that immaterial, or rob's anubis scum & came up with a "I was actually psion" story to cover for his night action. If link/rob are w/w, link's plans would be created after he knows rob's anubis roll to setup that play
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2020, 08:23:19 pm
I need a role claim from you now otherwise I will have to vote you up unfortunately.
@Annele
I know you're town. Since I'm pretty much the only one who has trusted you this entire time I would like you to trust me as well. Unless you or I come upon some revelation in the next day, make sure you devour Calindu the next night. Ignore what others say.
@everyone else
Phase 3 of my plan will begin once Ge0 role claims OR if andretimpa and submachine share who they visited last night.
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on June 05, 2020, 08:31:49 pm
Serp wanted me to claim - I'm ghost in the past. If I can be useful (assuming I survive the day), feel free to let me know.
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2020, 08:33:49 pm
Phase 3 of my plan will begin once Ge0 role claims OR if andretimpa and submachine share who they visited last night.I visited you.
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2020, 08:37:38 pm
I already limited the PoE to 5 players. I gotta find where my post is.
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2020, 08:39:59 pm
The list of possible Anubises is not very long.Found it. And the list is now even smaller.
If I count that Annele cannot be Anubis and if I believe rob's reports, then only the following people can be it:
1. iancudorinmarian
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
15. killsdazombies
18. Ge0metry v1.2
@MasterWalks: If you have seen one of these people target someone, please help to narrow the list.
AFAIK, shock has not said anything about his N1 action, so it is possible that he got Anubis from Fate Egg.
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
18. Ge0metry v1.2
@shock: If I am correct about what you have in mind, I see no reason why you would not reveal what you found.
Post by: andretimpa on June 05, 2020, 08:58:47 pm
@Ge0
I need a role claim from you now otherwise I will have to vote you up unfortunately.
@Annele
I know you're town. Since I'm pretty much the only one who has trusted you this entire time I would like you to trust me as well. Unless you or I come upon some revelation in the next day, make sure you devour Calindu the next night. Ignore what others say.
@everyone else
Phase 3 of my plan will begin once Ge0 role claims OR if andretimpa and submachine share who they visited last night.
I didn't target anyone last night
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2020, 09:35:49 pm
Before the big post comes, I will you leave you all with this very relevant and humorous snip of conversation.
kaempfer, welcome to "connecting with shock" I guess?
FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!
It is indicative of shock's reads. They are different from reads another person would make in his position. He's playing his own game, which he is winning by a landslide btw.
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2020, 11:09:52 pm
Phase 3: The Reveal
I am going to start by listing who I think the 3 remaining mafia are. I will then begin by listing facts and using those to make conclusions that support my mafia. Any "facts" about myself or relating to the results of my role are obviously potential lies, but I am going to treat them as facts.
I have lied previously in this game. It served a purpose but I understand that some are very ingrained in the idea that town should never have a reason to lie. I disagree, but I understand the sentiment and that is what this disclaimer is for. HOWEVER, I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH IN EVERYTHING I POST FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS GAME. If you don't believe me, then you should probably consider me mafia and vote me out. I do think that's a close-minded and rookie mistake, but I won't tell you how to play as I have chosen to play my own way as well.
I may make some incriminating statements about Submachine. I wanted to wait for him to reveal his role before I posted, but I'd rather not wait on the post. Sub already claimed he visited me last night, and this may be used as a way to throw blame on me. I'm pretty sure I'm the only role that could fact check Submachine, so it's really just his word vs. mine if it comes down to it. This is an unfortunate circumstance, but you can always just lynch one of us to find the truth.
Proposed mafia:
rob77dp
kaempfer13
Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (I used to think this was a lock, but after analyzing all the possible mafia teams, I think there's only like a 10% chance Ge0 is mafia. In fact, it looks as if the real mafia have set up Ge0 to be the perfect scapegoat to use late game when they just need to survive one last turn.)
Facts:
1.) My role is Psion. I am not fate egg. I am not golden nymph. I am Psion. Here are my results:
N0 --> kaempfer13 (crusader - role had not been used yet since psion has lowest priority)
N1 --> moehrpi (deja vu - this was a wasted use but it only wastes 1 night and it's pretty much a guaranteed win if they ended up being mafia)
N2 --> Annele (Otyugh)
N3 --> Ge0 (Ghost of the Past)
2.) Serprex was given immortality by what is likely mafia Anubis to prevent town from possibly healing him.
Knowing fact #2, I think can safely say that there is an Anubis, or at least a fate egg Anubis who is mafia and used immortality on serprex. So, if we can find this Anubis we can find a mafia. Well let's go down the list of who it could be from the remaining players.
Potential Anubis:
kaempfer - crusader
Annele - Otyugh
Ge0metry v1.2 - Ghost of the Past
!Calindu - Green Nymph
*killsdazombie - Vulture turned Golden Nymph
*MasterWalks - Dragonfly
andretimpa - ??
Submachine - ??
rob77dp - Fate Egg or Otyugh
* = MW and kdz technically not confirmed but let's be real, their roles are pretty much confirmed even if their alignment is not. I can also confirm either of their roles the next night if need be.
! = In case anyone forgot, TorB who is a confirmed town claimed that he received adrenaline, and Calindu claimed to be green nymph with no one contesting.
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So let's break down the remaining 3 suspects.
andretimpa
This player has already been on the chopping block once for an extreme lack of substance in posts. Additionally, we have no idea what role andre is because andre has never revealed any of that. However, andre was extremely close to dying Day 1, which is the least likely day for a mafia to be lynched. Mafia has the most control while the town has the least information at this time. Additionally, ian had voted on andre with intent to kill. This clears andre for me. I personally don't need more evidence to be convinced that andre is town. Now, it's possible he's Anubis and town so we need a roleclaim, but I'm assuming that the Anubis is a mafia member, and I don't think andre is a mafia.
Submachine
Submachine claims to have visited me N3. I was not given immortality. This clears Submachine for me. (Obviously you might think we're both mafia, but I can only state things from my point of view.)
rob77dp
Remember when I said rob was mafia back in day 1? Remember when I said rob was mafia back in day 2? Well serprex also thought he was mafia but somehow he just slips through the cracks. Anyways, this is the third, last, and most likely mafia Anubis in the game. He even said he would target serprex. Great excuse to justify his visit just in case there was a firefly or something on serprex. Conveniently uses the psion as a perfect scapegoat to justify visiting serprex only to give him immortality. We lost our most afk town N0 who no one would care if they died. Then our confirmed town gets immortality the same night our fate egg visits him? Like this isn't a coincidence folks. We have our mafia right here.
Stop using emotional reads when there are mechanical reads available. I'm sick of this "if rob is mafia then I deserve to lose. He has to be town." Rob is a good player. He knows how to trick you. But they slipped up. It can literally only be rob or Submachine as andretimpa is basically confirmed town due to ian's voting.
@andretimpa
If you are town Anubis and you mistakenly gave serprex immortality you need to speak up right now. Regardless you need to claim because if you're not Anubis we pretty much found our mafia in rob.
This was a lot to write and I'm a bit tired so I'll follow up some time in the near future with why I'm quite certain kaempfer and Submachine are the last 2 mafia. For now, I want to hear thoughts on what I've written so far, because I know I'm pretty much the only one who thinks and has thought that rob is mafia. I basically just mechanically confirmed him as the Anubis who gave serprex immortality so........yeah. Goodluck countering that rob. I'm curious to see what you try though.
As a little preview though, I was very curious how kaempfer and others would react if I faked fate egg Golden Nymph and claimed kaempf to be town. If he was mafia, he would obviously know I was lying and would react in a certain way. Unfortunately for him, he reacted exactly how I expected him to as mafia, and when I went to check his voting patterns, it aligns quite well with being on a team with rob.
As for Submachine, hard to be suspicious in voting patterns if you never vote. Also "I will only vote to save Linkcat." Yet, somehow you conveniently disappeared in the last few minutes of day 1 and didn't even vote day 2 to save Linkcat. Suspicious much??? I think so.
As a little preview though, I was very curious how kaempfer and others would react if I faked fate egg Golden Nymph and claimed kaempf to be town. If he was mafia, he would obviously know I was lying and would react in a certain way. Unfortunately for him, he reacted exactly how I expected him to as mafia, and when I went to check his voting patterns, it aligns quite well with being on a team with rob.
As for Submachine, hard to be suspicious in voting patterns if you never vote. Also "I will only vote to save Linkcat." Yet, somehow you conveniently disappeared in the last few minutes of day 1 and didn't even vote day 2 to save Linkcat. Suspicious much??? I think so.
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2020, 11:47:35 pm
Considering all the info we have though, rob is really the most likely candidate here. Obviously, the other option is that I'm mafia. But I ask those of you that are skeptical, are you really going to trust your emotional reads that rob "feels town" more than a logical, mechanical breakdown through process of elimination such as I have just done?
I'm also quite open to lynching me, just so you can see me flip town with the psion role. Then you can finally believe all my info which pretty much paints rob as the only person who could be the mafia Anubis.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 06, 2020, 12:25:05 am
Shock, both sub and Rob visited you last night
Post by: shockcannon on June 06, 2020, 12:47:31 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 06, 2020, 12:53:58 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 06, 2020, 02:13:50 am
- I cannot be the Anubis unless I'm actually fate egg because MasterWalks targeted kaempf N0 and saw me visit kaempf. Now if I'm Anubis that gave kaempf immortality, MW targeting of kaempf would've failed. Not to mention, Calindu gave kaempf adrena on N2.
- kaempf cannot be Anubis either unless hit jackpot rolls as fate egg and got super lucky with a claim. I visited kaempf N0 and saw crusader. Now assuming he's egg, he would've had to give serp immortality N1 if he rolled Anubis. But then he's somehow invulnerable again N3 when Calindu rechecks (and Green Nymph takes priority over Anubis. So the only possibility is if he rolled crusader N0 and did nothing, then rolled Anubis N1 and gave serp immortality, and then rolled crusader again N2 AFTER claiming he was crusader on day 2 (which goes before N2), and then stealing torb's role. So basically, kaempf isn't Anubis either.
Given this, there are only two scenarios:
1.) rob rolled Anubis N1 and gave serprex immortality while lying about being psion. This basically means he's mafia.
2.) I'm fate egg and rolled Anubis N1 and gave serprex immortality. In which case, I'm mafia. So yes, you should lynch either me or rob today because one of us gave serprex immortality.
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Everything here on assumes rob is mafia. Again, either rob or I have to be mafia. So if you're still convinced rob is town, then lynch me and then come back to this post and read again for the answers to this game.
- rob has tried to lynch Annele, andre, and Calindu with intent to kill in positions where another target was very easily lynchable. ian has tried to lynch Annele and andre with intent to kill, and made no move to save Calindu when Calindu and Linkcat were close in votes on day 2. This clears, Calindu, Annele, and andre for me without a doubt.
Dead thread dead town feeling about this right now... Or scum are already on scum!Kae wagon. If Kae is town I don't expect any scum to be further acting to vote on him.
I'd really like to get a situation with Annele wagon in range of Kae - we HAVE to have a flip today... but I want to be able to reasonably expect some activity so that wolves feel a need to engage and act, with the hopes we can deduce who is acting wolf (now and\or later).
- Day 2 we get this quote from rob, in which he makes a last ditch effort to save kaempfer without seeming scummy. Almost everyone thought kaempf was mafia and there was no reason not to go ahead with the lynch. Yet, rob offers up a train on Annele to get things close again.
Sub- are you going to make a solid meaningful vote today? Eod1 was disappointing from you last time... No personal offense intended.
You were willing to sheep\vote on Annele last day... How about now??
serp- I'm going to be upset if Annele is scum that I've tried to push for many days and I let off the gas now. Is Link a wagon that could happen today even? How many votes on Kae are just parked and the player is going to ghost this EOD?
- Two posts later we get this gem. Banter with sub, random push for Annele despite town having already decided to lynch kaempf, and deflects serprex's comment about lynching Link with an almost a mocking question. Gotta keep defending Linkcat so you can keep using him, amiright?
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Final read list considering rob a confirmed mafia due to the above mechanical reasons and from my last several posts.
town:
shockcannon - well I'm obviously going to say I'm town
Annele - voted against by rob and ian with intent to kill when they could've easily been saved
andre - voted against by rob and ian with intent to kill when they could've easily been saved
Calindu - voted against by rob with intent to kill when they could've easily been saved. ian continued to leave vote on Annele even with Calindu in danger
kdz - Killed off ian. Granted to save his own life but hard to bluff the whole GN scenario and outing ian with MW having seen who he visited. Kind of weird for mafia kdz to visit mafia ian. Also can't be Anubis because MW ability on ian worked.
MasterWalks - Confirmed kdz claim. If MW is mafia with ian, then he could've easily counterclaimed kdz to keep kdz as the lynch target.
probably town but maybe mafia:
Ge0 - His votes really scream town just voting off gut feeling. Now that I strongly believe kaempf, sub, and rob are mafia, I just see Ge0 being used as bait to lure town away from the real truth. Also, rob initiated a vote on Ge0 day 3 with seemingly intent to kill, so assuming rob is mafia, Ge0 is likely town.
mafia:
rob - I listed the mechanical reasons why. This is our fate egg turned Anubis N1 that gave serprex immortality. It can't be anyone else except for me.
kaempfer13 - He failed my experimental bluff. Rob tried very discretely to save him day 2 by getting an Annele train started. kaempfer also heavily defended rob early on for really no reason at all.
Submachine - doesn't vote, doesn't share role, doesn't do anything but make distracting noise. Town that doesn't get involved in lynches other than to save one player that he conveniently knows 100% is town, is not a town move. Also failed to save Linkcat twice ironically. Made a post afterwards saying how guilty he felt though. That sure makes up for it.
Post by: rob77dp on June 06, 2020, 03:04:57 am
I will continue to tinfoil kdz I think until end of time.... anyone who has played since elements mafia 2 and played in real life and goes to in person mafia conferences is going to be GOOD at this game. I therefore think it is entirely POSSIBLE kdz acted out the ian thing as w/w teammates. I however do NOT find it plausible and for now continue to proceed with kdz as lock!town.
MW playing such an integral part of the Day 3 ian lynch and other things (like his being so quite up front about his role and HOW HE HAS USED IT and who he has targeted screams town to me). I am proceeding with MW currently as lock!town.
I saw you target Ge0 last night, and saw MW and Sub both visited you. Hence I knew and posted in thread about MW in that manner prior to anybody else doing so. You think I knew that how, other than being honest about my role, targets, and info? (HINT: this is pro town activity, I'm trying to help town win here)
kdz
MW
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a bunch of people
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Ge0
Annele
Post by: shockcannon on June 06, 2020, 03:11:30 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 06, 2020, 03:15:09 am
ROLECLAIM!
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 03:15:54 am
Finished a long day just now, I need a few to read and understand what all this is saying. Please, allow about an hour or so before I contribute.
Thank you all in advance.
Post by: rob77dp on June 06, 2020, 03:29:51 am
Shock you think I'm using some multi-night elaborate scheme to hide some kind of real role or real targets? Yet you're the one claiming way after the fact some silly N1 aim at moe that could EASILY be hiding you being the Anubis (maybe for just one night as FE I suppose) that made serp immaterial on N1.Are we certain there's an Anubis?nah, it was you who targeted serp n1.
-snip-Also REALLY REALLY convenient that your N2 target and N3 target have publicly made thread role claims. Oh wait so has your N0 claimed target. A pretty good cover story for either lyingtown!shock (that much lying town you surely doesn't believe is beneficial to town??) or a scum!shock trying to hide his real role or if you're actually FE but scum disguising your real night actions such as N1 immaterialing of serp, etc.
1.) My role is Psion. I am not fate egg. I am not golden nymph. I am Psion. Here are my results:
N0 --> kaempfer13 (crusader - role had not been used yet since psion has lowest priority)
N1 --> moehrpi (deja vu - this was a wasted use but it only wastes 1 night and it's pretty much a guaranteed win if they ended up being mafia)
N2 --> Annele (Otyugh)
N3 --> Ge0 (Ghost of the Past)
-snip-
Post by: rob77dp on June 06, 2020, 03:35:45 am
So I'm going to approach this like I"m defending against an overanxious townie's casing of town me. That is quite likely the scenario (either that or you're a scum picking a very difficult fight...).
1. You think I might be a Fate Egg or Otyugh, good those are the only two mechanical possibilities since I am mod-revealed N0 as having devoured coffee. Also, you can't possibly think I'm standard Oty because that would be a LOT of theater on my part each night about random different roles all which align with game flow, my reads, and results that align well with results and other revealed activity. Also, explain how I know so much about who you visited and who visited you, confirmed in thread afterward now by MW if I'm just an Oty? We should proceed as if you are as smart as you are and realize I am Fate Egg.
2. shock are you immaterial now? Be honest. This goes a long way toward your theory that the Anubis ability that immaterial'd serp on N1 can only be Sub or myself (hint: it isn't me). Talk about leading a witness in your question to timpa about "if he is Anubis he needs to come clean now" where you openly state if he says so then you somehow thereby know my alignment?!!?
3. Sub DID visit you last night, N3. I know this as fact. My role on N3 tells me so. Try to keep up please. If you're not immaterial aren't you curious what he was doing visiting you? That seems like something you would want to know if you're town and unsure if you're aligned with Sub. Why are you not concerned with what Sub was doing visiting you? Why have all your 'claimed' Psion targets been totally $#@! choices, all of whom have public thread claim prior to your claiming the info?
4. You think I saved kae on day 2? He was dead meat on Day 2 as runaway lead wagon. Then _YOU_ came in with a claim of having GN'd him prior and that you KNOW he is town -- that is what saved kae ---- I did not save him, YOU did. You are quite literally 'blaming' me as the one who did what actually YOU did.
You're case is terrible, honestly. I just need to work through whether I think it is scum!terrible and you're trying to push my mislynch with mafia motive _or_ if town!terrible and you're just pushing around with partial information that has you going down a way wrong rabbit hole.
Post by: rob77dp on June 06, 2020, 03:44:34 am
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
*abstention* (3) - DC, TorB, kdz
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa, Submachine
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (9) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, Submachine, andretimpa
Post by: rob77dp on June 06, 2020, 03:54:21 am
Annele - who did you target last night with Devour? (Nobody else answer anything related to this please - just for Annele input here)
Ge0 - who is your top scum-read right now, and give a brief case or small summary of why you think they are scum.
timpa - the way you approached the opening stages of the kdz/ian thunderdome on Day 3 reads fishy. Also found where you posted a tidbit yesterday about how you remind the game/thread that you think I could possibly be Anubis... then suddenly today shocks' grand Phase 3 is a push on me with some convoluted rob=Anubis=scum lock-mechanical-fact (it is false and not a fact and not true) that sure reads like there was some bubbling possibly in a scum chat about this and you guys didn't remember you posting this little nugget already prior to shock turning it into a grand case on me.
Post by: rob77dp on June 06, 2020, 04:16:02 am
shock - in my re-reading a few things from Annele I do see here where you pre-emptively out ANnele's role prior to her claiming it... so this is a point in your favor on my previous few text-walls refuting your case on me (namely that all your targets were outed in the thread before you claimed any role info Psion would give you if you're Psion). I'm still really curious about what the heck you were doing early game when you came out acting like you had some kind of evidence on kae that was alignment indicattve... whereas now you claim to have Psion'd him N0 and learned he was Crusade -- like htf does that lead to the way you came out about him in the thread like you knew alignment already on like Day 1, Day 2??!??
Yes, I'm oty. Not sure if shock got that from an ability or my lame attempts at breadcrumming. I've tried using my ability twice, two nights ago on kae and last night on cal.
I actually almost did eat Linkcat on n1 but the general feeling in the thread was against kae at that point, including by serp, so I went that way. I didn't say anything about being blocked from eating kae because I wasn't sure what stopped it and I didn't know if it was a good idea to claim or not. (I only got a PM saying "Your ability failed".) I tried to breadcrum what I'd planned and what had happened, but I don't know if that was useful at all.
The only suggestions for offensive roles I saw last night were directed at me, which wasn't particularly useful. I guessed that cal was the next most suspicious player since Linkcat called him out before dying, and went for him. I didn't mention anything in the thread that time because I was worried that mafia had a warden or something and that was why my kill didn't go through the first time, so I didn't want to advertise my target again. If it was just DC blocking me both nights, that makes a lot of sense.
A lot has happened since I've been able to read the thread in any detail, so I've got a lot of catching up to do. Sorry for being so absent, I'll try and contribute a bit more this time. If I don't get lynched this round I'm very happy to be directed by serp on who to try and eat, or if I should use my ability at all.
Post by: andretimpa on June 06, 2020, 04:22:41 am
About the D3 voting, that's what just popping in sporadically in the thread looks like.
About the tidbit, note that shock's post was 7 hours after mine, are you seriously suggesting mafia would make a plan this loud, on such short notice, while forgetting these details? (I know, WIFOM).
Also, look closer at that paragraph, the bit about you wasn't the main purpose of it. (I can spell it out tomorrow if you want)
Post by: andretimpa on June 06, 2020, 04:25:15 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 06, 2020, 04:58:37 am
For everyone not named rob. You can believe or not. If you do, vote rob. If not, vote me. It's that simple. I've based all my claims on mechanical, role based info. So it's not like I can be town and making a bad read. I'm literally basing this off night roles. So either I'm lying and I"m mafia, or I've proven that rob is mafia.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 05:47:05 am
It's currently 3/7. The way the lines are drawn in the sand, we can assume there is 1 fate egg on either side. Either rob, or shock who lied about their role. After today, worst case its 3/6. I don't believe the mafia can kill/disable 3 people in one night. They already lost their freeze.
I need to rest, and think things over
Post by: rob77dp on June 06, 2020, 12:21:31 pm
Sub - what were you doing visiting shock last night? Make it good because I'm starting to suspect you were guarding or angeling shock. Which would be a VERY strange activity for a town a sub that night. Teammates would also explain why shock has basically no interest in asking about it in the open as I have hinted it suggested several times previous. I don't know what else you would have been doing and you've already been suggested before as the GA yet you're still alive -- another strange situation as angels tend to eat a NK pretty early once found out.
Post by: Submachine on June 06, 2020, 12:27:06 pm
@shock: If I am correct about what you have in mind, I see no reason why you would not reveal what you found.I was only half-correct about what shock had in mind. The rest of it I could not have expected.
Reading through the "revelation", can't say I'm convinced that rob, kae, and I are mafia. But I'm not gonna tell shock to stop, because I see this will spark a lot of conversation, which only helps Town. Solving, bad reads, and mistakes all lean town for me, so I will not dismiss anything that's being said, even if I disagree.
I do believe town lying to get things done is a valid tactic, I just don't see yet why lie about Golden Nymph if you are not certain he is Town. We wasted two phases worth of time assuming kae is semi-confirmed town, and not do much solving about him because of that assumption. It is a good thing that eventually you revealed the lie, I am just unsure about the timing.
*** shock, this is the point where you need to come clean if you're bluffing, I think.Even though it was from your main suspect, you got request during End of Night 2 (EON2) to drop it if you are bluffing, but you waited until Day 4. This would assume town!shock only recently started suspecting kaempfer, and at the time, he believed kae was town.
Town!shock might also try the double bluff about kae; first claiming him to be confirmed, then acting like it was a bluff just to see who are eager to hop on the kae wagon, to then reveal that the bluff was a bluff too. This would be scummy. Even so, because shock promised not to bluff for the rest of the game.
Mafia!shock would just be attracting unnecessary attention to himself, which does not make sense to me, but I have yet to see how shock plays when he is mafia. Maybe mafia!shock would try to imitate his town playing style (bluffing GN, lying tactics), but only for short periods of time.
Theorising went from towniest to least towny scenario. To see more clearly, I would like shock to clear up which description suits his style the best, or pick an Answer D that is not on the list.
I was correct to assume your post would be about process of elimination, it just went ways I did not expect it to go.
The list of possible Anubises is not very long.I now looked back at my earlier post, and realized that the reason why I did not put rob on the list of possible Anubises is because I made the initial assumption of believing his reports. And the reason why I put you on it but not rob, is because rob reported all his night actions (Otyugh, Seraph, and forgot what else), but you only reported Nights 0 and 2 (GN and Psion).
If I count that Annele cannot be Anubis and if I believe rob's reports, then only the following people can be it:
1. iancudorinmarian
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
15. killsdazombies
18. Ge0metry v1.2
@MasterWalks: If you have seen one of these people target someone, please help to narrow the list.
AFAIK, shock has not said anything about his N1 action, so it is possible that he got Anubis from Fate Egg.
In a world where rob used Anubis on serprex during N1 and claimed Psion, rob would most likely be mafia. But it is a world I am not quite ready to accept yet, so that is also why I went with the assumption that rob was truthful about his reports. I concede that my ATE influenced my mechanical PoE, but even though it is possible, I still think rob is the least likely to be the Anubis.
For town!shock who checked geo's role, the only remaining suspects are rob and andretimpa. I understand shock suspected rob since Day 1, and I also understand his stance on andretimpa, so I will not question his deduction. But for others, if shock is town and truthful, andretimpa also opens up as an option. Depending on today's result, this might be worth looking into later.
In case of mafia!shock, the PoE does not narrow, so it still contains timpa, Geo, rob, and shock. Though mafia!shock's strong stance on rob would limit the possible targets to timpa, Geo, and himself. It is possible that mafia!shock would tell the truth about Geo's role, so the PoE does not narrow on that front.
In either scenario, it remains a question what timpa's role is. His role might be the missing key to this puzzle.
edit: I just remembered there can also be a third Fate Egg, but I hate to even think about that scenario.
Goodluck countering that rob. I'm curious to see what you try though.
Rob don't address me. I caught you.LoL. This is as much a gem as serprex's comment about Matthew 4:7.
Rob doesn't respond to arguments, he just asks you to tell him about your day so he can read you better, & tells you to git gud
As for Submachine, hard to be suspicious in voting patterns if you never vote. Also "I will only vote to save Linkcat." Yet, somehow you conveniently disappeared in the last few minutes of day 1 and didn't even vote day 2 to save Linkcat. Suspicious much??? I think so.If that is the only reason to suspect me, then feel free to suspect me. Even I hated myself after that.
- I cannot be the Anubis unless I'm actually fate egg because MasterWalks targeted kaempf N0 and saw me visit kaempf. Now if I'm Anubis that gave kaempf immortality, MW targeting of kaempf would've failed. Not to mention, Calindu gave kaempf adrena on N2.Actually, good point. If shock is not Fate Egg, he cannot be the Anubis. He knew about Annele's role earlier, so unless they are aligned, shock had to have Psion at one point. It's a bit less convincing that shock's other targets were already public knowledge by the time he claimed, so I hope shock left proper breadcrumbs on the way here to 100% clear his role. Either way, I can work with this info.
If shock would be the Anubis, he would be required to be a Fate Egg. We know he targeted kaempfer N0, we know nothing about N1, we know he used Psion on Annele on N2 (assuming they are not aligned), and we know he targeted Geo on N3. This is vague enough to allow both possibilities. Night 1 is when moe died, so it would be a safe bluff to claim targeting moe, because the general concensus was that checking them is low priority.
But if shock is Psion, he cannot be the Anubis (DUH). I state it again that, if they exist, I would like to see breadcrumbs about shock's N1 and other vaguely known actions. That would clear him from the PoE.
either rob or I have to be mafia. So if you're still convinced rob is town, then lynch me and then come back to this post and read again for the answers to this game.That's a difficult fight to pick. If you are so sure that kaempfer and I are also mafia, you would be picking one of us instead of rob. Shock's train of thought feels like he bases our alignments on his read on rob. So I have to ask,
@shock: In case rob is actually town, do you still hold strongly to your other two mafia picks? If so, then why are you not pushing us instead of rob? We have so much more dirt than rob, you could easily get away with it. (Quick note: I would hate to protect rob if he was actually mafia here, but in case he is town, I would rather sacrifice myself to prove shock wrong, because I deem myself less useful for town's cause than rob.)
If shock is mafia, this comes off as endgame panic. Town is getting a lot of confirmed people and hard townreads, and the PoE is closing in. It would make sense to undo the confirmation of kaempfer and heavily discredit rob, in a way that only shock can do.
If nothing else, I learned that shock and kae are not w/w.
Submachine - doesn't vote, doesn't share role, doesn't do anything but make distracting noise. Town that doesn't get involved in lynches other than to save one player that he conveniently knows 100% is town, is not a town move. Also failed to save Linkcat twice ironically. Made a post afterwards saying how guilty he felt though. That sure makes up for it.I did vote when I stopped being vague about Graboid and started having better reads than n. About not sharing role, I do believe I had a good role at the time, so I felt the need to lay low. (I will get to that later.) And I was bamboozled by the unreadability of a few people and the night interactions between a few players, so I had more confusion to give at that point than anything. But even DC implied that only some of my thoughts were swamping, and they contained relevant solving too. (Only implied, he did not clearly say this, but I did mix my confusions with solving.)
I already reacted to the last two sentences.
Proposed Mafia:This was posted on Day 3. It shifted quite a lot during two phases (unless this was all just a bluff and part of the masterplan). Assuming it was truthful, shock gave me the benefit of the doubt of not being the last mafia member. In that case though, I have a feeling I'm only here by PoE. Is that not correct?
ian
Calindu
Ge0
50/50:
submachine
DoubleCapitals
I'm willing to lean on DC being mafia. We'll know the next day anyways, which should clear submachine.
This was a lot to write and I'm a bit tired so I'll follow up some time in the near future with why I'm quite certain kaempfer and Submachine are the last 2 mafia. For now, I want to hear thoughts on what I've written so farI do not have much to react to about myself yet, but you said you will go into details about my case, so I am waiting for it with utmost curiosity.~
For MW's demand, I will start a different post.
Sub - what were you doing visiting shock last night? Make it good because I'm starting to suspect you were guarding or angeling shock.You are in for a treat. ;) I was waiting for the time I had to reveal, so I prepared a whole set of breadcrumbs to go through. If that won't convince you, then nothing will.
Post by: rob77dp on June 06, 2020, 12:27:23 pm
shock went to Ge0.
Sub went to shock.
MW went to shock.
I went to shock.
Post by: Submachine on June 06, 2020, 01:54:44 pm
Hey SubOkay, geez, calm down with the caps. It is time to reveal my role now.~
ROLECLAIM!
Drumroll, please! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek56AgxwybI)
(https://i2.wp.com/www.kimbevill.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/dragonfly-for-web.jpg?fit=553%2C442&ssl=1)
Yes, I am Dragonfly. Not an Angel as serprex suspected.
Yes, I am Dragonfly. Not an Angel as serprex suspected.
Here is my action history:
- N0: shockcannon
- N1: Linkcat
- N2: TheonlyrealBeef
- N3: shockcannon
Night 0: I could not put a read on shock, so I wanted to know what's up with him. He mentioned he has a plan with kaempfer, so I expected at least some traffic there. (Quick note: Each night, I tried to avoid targets that would give back no results, as those would be wasted nights.)
> shockcannon targeted kaempfer, nobody targeted shock.
The result was a bit disappointing, but later things got complicated.
Now I can reveal that the comment I wanted to make and what made me suspect MW is that I KNEW he did not target shock with his role, because I would have seen it. I wanted to call him out so badly for getting caught in a lie, but in case MW was a Dragonfly/FFQ on kaempfer, I did not reveal. I also softed at the quality of my role here, because to have any doubts about MW's targets, I could only have an information role.TOWN READS (in order of most town read to least town read)Hmmm......
shockcannon- My role gives me insight that he is town(No, Sub, this is not the time for softing either. Get it together.)
In case MW is Town, I make no comment here. Even though I am very tempted.
MW's comment mighty confused me, because neither Dragonfly nor FFQ can clear primary alignments, but he was very sure that shock and kaempfer are town. Let it be said, that at this point of the game, I thought MW was acting very scummy.
In retrospect, we now know that MW was making baseless assumptions and presented them as facts. But at that time, I didn't know that.
I remember having a theory, that maybe shock was Guardian Angel targeting Kaempfer on Night 0, drawing Kaempfer in towny shades, to attract a nightkill onto him. I also believed that MW might have been FFQ, and he saw Guardian Angel in the combo, which made him believe it was a town-town interaction.
Night 1: Linkcat's night plan (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297740/#msg1297740) involved Dragonflies targeting him, so I did.
> Linkcat targeted DoubleCapitals, MasterWalks targeted Linkcat.
Insert drama here about MW heavily wanting to know about 4 people's scumreads (, just because he saw one of them targeting someone, but this is in hindsight). By the time I caught up with the new posts, MW had already revealed he wanted my reads (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297947/#msg1297947). This development could have only been because of night actions, and I knew who MW targeted, and I quickly put it together that he must be Dragonfly, because that is the only role that gives specific player names.
At this point, it became clear to me that MW is very much in the dark about how to use his role. He was aggressive, so I assumed he believed I did something harmful to Linkcat and wanted to call me out on it. I was getting excited about finally knowing something after a long streak of confusion, and I was ready to deflect any crazy accusations MW might hurl at me, so I eagerly gave him my readlist.
My readlist at that point contained MW as v, because MW was so in the dark that it screamed town to me. He was similarly in the dark in Mafia 70, where he was town.
This is all fair and good, but where was this action breadcrumbed? In my analysis of MW:
11. MasterWalks: I would have said n- at first, because of some questions I had about him, but I get it now. The way he makes his plays, he's like a mirror of myself from my early days. Without revealing why, I think he leans v. I am very much looking forward to why he wanted my readlist so badly.I wonder why nobody questioned why MW's playstyle is a mirror of my own. It is not true. Here I hinted that because of the plays MW made, I know he has the same role as I do. And this is not much a statement about MW's role as it is a statement about my own. This is a direct crumb that I am Dragonfly, and that I think MW is Dragonfly too.
After I have already placed my crumb, MW hardclaimed Dragonfly (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298016/#msg1298016).
Night 2: A plan was formulating about making kaempfer immaterial, by endowing TorB's ability. I wanted to make sure nobody tampers with the night plans, so I decided to check kae or TorB that night. I hoped MW would target kae, so I targeted TorB.
> TheonlyrealBeef targeted noone, he was targeted by kaempfer13.
This was the least useful night of all for me. But before the night, things were theorized about which roles should target who.
Also lol @ link's nightplan having Heal target the next day's lynch as if he's better NK than either dejas. Or maybe it was mindgames & Sub's silly enough to not realize. Sucker never saw it coming
Idea: sub & cal target kaempfer, kaempfer targets torb. DC can live another dayIt was around this point that I realized serprex might believe I am Guardian Angel. Instead of blurting out that "HEy guys! I am not Guardian Angel", I tried to vaguely point serprex in the right direction.
Idea: sub & cal target kaempfer, kaempfer targets torb.I don't think I have the role you think I have. If I can even use my role tonight, I try to pick someone that makes the most sense.Yes, with one exception: I don't think kaempfer13 needs a second opinion on his health check.I do believe kaempfer might need a second opinion on health check if the opportunity gives itself. I do not want anyone to rush to false conclusions about who has what role.
And after the night settled, I came out with my usual crumbing.~
With this crumb, I not only confirm that I did not see any disruption during the night, but I also use the specific words "The only real" after each other, because I targeted TheonlyrealBeef.with how things played out I think mafia lack disruptive skills & anubis was on cooldownThis is the only real solution I can think of too.
Night 3: There was a disturbance in the Force, as all THREE Dragonflies felt drawnt towards shock that night.
> shockcannon targeted Ge0metry v1.2, rob77dp and MasterWalks targeted shockcannon.
Somewhere earlier, I remembered rob saying the word "SHOCKing (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298853/#msg1298853)" weirdly, so I looked back his posts and asked him if his crumbed action went smoothly and what he learned from it. I was very excited that maybe rob found something relevant about shock (by Golden Nymph or Psion). I almost blurted out everything I saw at night in an MW fashion, but looking back, I managed to compose myself.
Here I wanted to crumb that I know MW targeted him. "Third time's the charm" was also a hint at three people targeting the same person.I think I have a minor revelation... [...] Sadly I think MW and I crossed streams last night.I think you think the same thing as I am thinking. Third time's the charm, eh?
A lot of stuff, eh? If this doesn't convince you that I am not an Anubis or a Guardian Angel, then I don't know what will.
Post by: Submachine on June 06, 2020, 02:41:14 pm
How Sub would know we'd both be alive? TMI? I like that observation Link. Care to start a wagon as what develops? I do.Then for some reason, he switched away, but after I got 2 other votes, he came back for me.
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - LinkcatIt would be quite reckless for two mafias to vote on each other right away. It does not give towncred, and it just allows the train to get going.
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
This is in case rob really is mafia, to clarify that we are not w/w.
Post by: Submachine on June 06, 2020, 02:53:27 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 06, 2020, 03:26:03 pm
either rob or I have to be mafia. So if you're still convinced rob is town, then lynch me and then come back to this post and read again for the answers to this game.That's a difficult fight to pick. If you are so sure that kaempfer and I are also mafia, you would be picking one of us instead of rob. Shock's train of thought feels like he bases our alignments on his read on rob. So I have to ask,
@shock: In case rob is actually town, do you still hold strongly to your other two mafia picks? If so, then why are you not pushing us instead of rob? We have so much more dirt than rob, you could easily get away with it. (Quick note: I would hate to protect rob if he was actually mafia here, but in case he is town, I would rather sacrifice myself to prove shock wrong, because I deem myself less useful for town's cause than rob.)
There is mafia Anubis in this game (could be fate egg Anubis). That's a fact. Mechanically I've narrowed it down to rob. So the only way rob can be town is if I'm lying about one of my night actions that led me to realize that rob has to be the Anubis. Which is why I state that either rob is mafia, or I lied because I'm mafia. Like I said, I'm not doing any bluffing anymore. I did it once for kaempf to get the info I needed and that's it.
Additionally, I said you're the one mafia who could be replaced by Ge0. I'm pushing rob because he's the one I know to be mafia for sure. Why would I push you or kaempf when I mechanically solved rob. Why do you keep trying to undermine my perfectly fine logic? It's as if you want others to see non-existent loopholes in my plan by pretending there are loopholes. Kind of sus.
Is my kaempf read based largely on rob being mafia? Yes. Is that unreasonable when I MECHANICALLY SOLVED ROB AS MAFIA? No. If you look at day 2 interactions like I pointed out, rob made a pretty obvious yet subtle move to try and save kaempf from lynch.
Also, to respond to a later post, you are correct. I didn't always know kaempf was mafia and for a time he played well enough to make me think he's town. The reason I chose to save him and lynch Linkcat was because Linkcat played this game quite poorly and there was a lot to gain by lynching him instead of kaempf. First off, Linkcat was a much bigger mafia read for me. Second, for some odd reason, submachine, torb, doublecapitals, and rob were all SO CONVINCED that Linkcat was town simply based of what his posts sound like. Do you know how suspicious that is especially when we've only had 1 night of actions so far and golden nymph being dead? Third, let's look at what Linkcat actually did:
- he put ian at the top of his town read list
- he randomly kills DC just because he hasn't contributed much
- he tunnels Annele who I have stated from day 1 is town due to voting patterns (without even knowing any mafia were, it was still obvious)
- he refuses to vote rob even to safe himself
Like how can I not choose to save kaempf, who I still think could be town, and choose to lynch Linkcat instead who has acted scummy the entire game and had 4 other players who have been overly defending him? I see nothing wrong with my actions as a town player who is in the dark after only two days. And now that roles have been revealed and rob is stuck as the only Anubis, everything became clear. That's why I needed info about you, andre, and Ge0 before I made my post. I needed to make sure Ge0 wasn't lying and I needed and least you and andre to claim something that I can check in a following night so I could go ahead with my reasoning for why rob is mafia Anubis with confidence.
@submachine
I'm very very confident that rob is mafia, and kaempf is following close behind. Now for the last mafia, I'm fairly certain it's you but I can see a world where it's Ge0 instead and I am open to hearing ideas on that. However, if you refuse to accept that either myself or rob has to be mafia, I can't town read you and I'm going to assume my initial thoughts were spot on. If you're going to be methodical and logical in your posts you can't abandon that when looking at mine, otherwise you give yourself away as mafia. If you want any benefit of the doubt that you could be town, you need to start accepting that there is 1 mafia between me and rob.
Honestly though, I think you're just kind of checkmated here. I'm like 90% sure you're mafia which really gives you two lines of play here:
1.) Continue deflecting that fact that if I'm town, then from my respective rob is 100% mafia and keep asking me questions like "well what will you do if rob is town" do get other readers to believe there's a chance that rob and I are both town. In doing so, you will pretty much give away for certain to me that the mafia team does include you as well as rob, but your hopes are to convince enough other afk town to believe you.
2.) Bus rob and hope I can believe you're town and that Ge0 is mafia instead. In which case, we still have enough town left to afford one mislynch on Ge0. But we're saving that lynch for last. rob goes today, or we get back to scenario 1.
Oh and btw, if we don't lynch either rob or myself today, I'm going to consider you 100% mafia.
Post by: shockcannon on June 06, 2020, 03:33:23 pm
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Btw, for any other town out there reading my posts, which I hope you are, kaempfer's vote on Ge0 and stating that Ge0 is his only mafia read, pretty much gives away Submachine as the 3rd mafia member alongside kaempf and rob. If we flip rob and he's turn mafia, we have our win. If he flips town, y
Post by: shockcannon on June 06, 2020, 03:34:51 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13Edited:
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Btw, for any other town out there reading my posts, which I hope you are, kaempfer's vote on Ge0 and stating that Ge0 is his only mafia read, pretty much gives away Submachine as the 3rd mafia member alongside kaempf and rob. If we flip rob and he's turn mafia, we have our win. If he flips town, y
If he flips town, you know I'm mafia. I'm also more than welcome to do it reverse since I know most of you probably trust rob more than me for some crazy reason.
Post by: Submachine on June 06, 2020, 04:11:53 pm
if you refuse to accept that either myself or rob has to be mafia, I can't town read you and I'm going to assume my initial thoughts were spot on.That's a condition that has not been said. Admittedly, I targeted you last night, because I suspected you would be the Anubis, so I wanted to catch you doing something scummy. ;)
I am considering all options between you and rob. (Except w/w, because that would be stupid.) This just shows that I do read your posts, because I did not immediately vote on you. I admit you raised good points, but as even you pointed out, it is still possible you are the mafia.
I lean towards you being mafia over rob, but you confuse me with your townie traits of solving, making plans, and making 90% bad calls.
This is the last vote tally.Looking back at the final votes on Linkcat, my reads are now outdated. If only serprex and TorB are mech confirmed, and kdz is GN who helped find a mafia, then I think 1-2 mafia hides among shock, Calindu, and kaempfer.
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
shock and kaempfer are vouching for each other (well, only kae was "cleared" by shock, but noone cleared shock), and serp is Vujatron, so my new top 3 scumreads are Calindu, TorB, and kdz.
I would really like if other people were talking too, not just us involved.
@MW: I gave you my role, and reasons behind my actions.
@andre: Any comment about your role?
@rob: You were also asking about my role.
@Annele: Anything.
Kdz said he will come later. Others can come too.~
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 06, 2020, 05:27:14 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 05:52:01 pm
However a few interesting points. I have been vocal af about my distrust of Rob, and I can't tell if shock is just playing off of that to get a town lynch in, or I was right all along. Shock creates a world that I don't really want to vote on, but DC fell through and my confidence in geo has been shaken a bit.
At the moment, the only person I have total confidence in is MW, but I dont think MW can offer a ton of insight, unless he has targeted rob/sub/shock sometime other than tonight. (Didn't MW target Kae on n0?)
We've seen sub with a nonoffensive role given by his target of shock last night, the only role without a use yet is Timpa. Further, no one else has claimed to be immaterial'd since n1 when serp got hit. So it has to be rob or shock or timpa.
So our offensive threats are in Rob (Potentially)/Annele/Shock (If they lied, and if fate egg roles is like it could for rob)
and our anubis threat is in Rob/Shock/Timpa
Also I admit I'm partial to believing shock, because I've done this in mafia games before. The grand design, hinting at it. Being a little shitposter all game. Its like someone read my mind of what I would do as town.
Now onto Timpa. We see Ian pick Timpa over Linkcat in
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Fine by me.
this post. This was with intent. We know ian is mafia, and we know link was town. I don't really believe we live in a world where ian tried to murder their own mafia mate, especially when there was such an easy town kill right there up for grabs. I'd love to know timpas roll, but I dont think its necessary right now.
So this is all previously known info. I'm going to sift over the new info and see what else I can build from these new materials. Sorry Ive been inactive over the last night and today, my mental health has been killing me lately, but i'll find some drive to get this day phase rolling from a perspective that isn't the accused or accusing.
THAT BEING SAID ANNELE, MW, TIMPA AND CALI SHOULD PROBABLY POST SOMETHING TOO.
Timpa has posted a bit, which will be invaluable, but cali and annele ya'll pls.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 05:53:16 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 06, 2020, 06:27:44 pm
I played my part yesterday by forcing you to say you actually found a mafia. Weird of you to not just say it. We were down to no mafia kills and many town kills and you thought it was best to make ian admit it? What if you didnt roll GN and instead, threw iancu under the bus?
Really tho, i already announced my findings last night. I targetted shock and found rob and sub targetted him as well. This has been announced several times now.
My scum reads are really down to i think everyone is scum except me.
Post by: Submachine on June 06, 2020, 06:57:46 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 07:05:46 pm
This will definitely turn into a mess at EOD, and I already hate it.
I'm writing up a post right now, but I agree. Except I kinda love it. This is much juicer then the linkcat one. We have actual accusations instead of "I guess lets just kill link" Links death was pointless, but this will have fallout.
Side note, I tinfoil the world where no one mentioned is mafia and they just skate on by. That would actually make me laugh. Like a world where cali/annele/geo are mafia. Oh my god that would be so funny. I'd hate myself
Now note, I'm willing to extend, but I dont think that'll be needed. The reason to extend would be for Annele and etc to post their input and have it processed but I dont think thatll happen tbh. Still I am sifting through all this (I'm actually just hitting your posts now sub.) so that opinion may change with your perspective ^^
As shit as this is I feel good. This revelation doesn't come at lynch or lose, so baring extraordinary circumstance only good can come from this
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 07:44:50 pm
My plan was as it is today. We could afford a mistake, and we had a 100% bus in the back. Giving ian more time to interact, and apply pressure, allows us to extract all the info we can from them before we uhhh relieve them. I wanted to get an extra read in without claiming. It was like 4/12 or something, we were safe enough.
Some people think lying to the town is bad, and it /usually/ is. But telling the town is also telling the mafia. Gotta determine if the juice is worth the squeeze, and I maintain yesterday wasn't. I would have claimed ian at start of this day and killed him today. Hoping to have set the stage yesterday for a plausible bus. (this was when my working plan involved a dead geo, i'm unsure if it does any more)
Now onto the matter at hand
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon
This is the vote count just before shock claimed GN and conf'd kae.
It was
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
before rob posted.
A competing town lynch was already starting before shock said anything, and I'm unsure if this was the best course of action. A lot of Shocks plays feel obtuse with hindsight, but so does mine. I understand the desire to follow a plan of action, and its likely this was forming early, just as my vulture PoA was.
-snip-Also REALLY REALLY convenient that your N2 target and N3 target have publicly made thread role claims. Oh wait so has your N0 claimed target. A pretty good cover story for either lyingtown!shock (that much lying town you surely doesn't believe is beneficial to town??) or a scum!shock trying to hide his real role or if you're actually FE but scum disguising your real night actions such as N1 immaterialing of serp, etc.
1.) My role is Psion. I am not fate egg. I am not golden nymph. I am Psion. Here are my results:
N0 --> kaempfer13 (crusader - role had not been used yet since psion has lowest priority)
N1 --> moehrpi (deja vu - this was a wasted use but it only wastes 1 night and it's pretty much a guaranteed win if they ended up being mafia)
N2 --> Annele (Otyugh)
N3 --> Ge0 (Ghost of the Past)
-snip-
Annele is otyugh.and annele confirmed it later
Yes, I'm oty. Not sure if shock got that from an ability or my lame attempts at breadcrumming. I've tried using my ability twice, two nights ago on kae and last night on cal.
Now it is true that Rob comes back and corrects himself on this, but I already wrote this and I think proof/evidence is important. Rob corrected with this
Annele - like why would you not out this info the Day phase after you were blocked or flayed or otherwise had your ability stopped? I don't know why town (as I've said before on this about you claim here) wouldn't claim this being blocked in the thread at a point during the next Day phase??
shock - in my re-reading a few things from Annele I do see here where you pre-emptively out ANnele's role prior to her claiming it... so this is a point in your favor on my previous few text-walls refuting your case on me (namely that all your targets were outed in the thread before you claimed any role info Psion would give you if you're Psion). I'm still really curious about what the heck you were doing early game when you came out acting like you had some kind of evidence on kae that was alignment indicattve... whereas now you claim to have Psion'd him N0 and learned he was Crusade -- like htf does that lead to the way you came out about him in the thread like you knew alignment already on like Day 1, Day 2??!??Yes, I'm oty. Not sure if shock got that from an ability or my lame attempts at breadcrumming. I've tried using my ability twice, two nights ago on kae and last night on cal.
I actually almost did eat Linkcat on n1 but the general feeling in the thread was against kae at that point, including by serp, so I went that way. I didn't say anything about being blocked from eating kae because I wasn't sure what stopped it and I didn't know if it was a good idea to claim or not. (I only got a PM saying "Your ability failed".) I tried to breadcrum what I'd planned and what had happened, but I don't know if that was useful at all.
The only suggestions for offensive roles I saw last night were directed at me, which wasn't particularly useful. I guessed that cal was the next most suspicious player since Linkcat called him out before dying, and went for him. I didn't mention anything in the thread that time because I was worried that mafia had a warden or something and that was why my kill didn't go through the first time, so I didn't want to advertise my target again. If it was just DC blocking me both nights, that makes a lot of sense.
A lot has happened since I've been able to read the thread in any detail, so I've got a lot of catching up to do. Sorry for being so absent, I'll try and contribute a bit more this time. If I don't get lynched this round I'm very happy to be directed by serp on who to try and eat, or if I should use my ability at all.
Annele already posted why they haven't been calling out their block targets, in that post actually. I understand their position, but I agree its... odd. Annele has been in a weird N zone for me all game, and none of their few posts have helped that. Especially given their last post was a whopping 4 days ago.
onto the Shock/Sub interactions
I'm not going to quote a specific passage, because this felt more like a conversation then an accusation, and I both dont have the desire, nor feel the need to, dissect it piece by piece, and i think doing so would be wrong.
Everything sub has said feels correct, I picked up on a few of the bread crumbs sub has been laying down, especially the dismissal of being doc. This dismissal of assumption put a solid town read in my book, but it was countered by the call for a roleclaim (which I feel is usually a bad idea.) and their GN plan. Subs plan of action beyond those two hiccups seems both town, and reasonable. Further, I agree Rob/shock is not W/W.
Further, everything shock has said also feels correct, however. I disagree on their opinion on sub, and I think their play with kae was a touch reckless.
Sub willing to die on Robs hill reads town of sub for me, but contributes nothing for my opinion of rob.
I'll end this little post with a call to action. We need our low post counts to start speaking more. I admit, I was a low poster for a while, and that actively hurt the town. I would like to beat my previous predictions of 2M/lose
I'm inclined to believe shock atm. They play exactly like me IRL, and they have a similar distrust of rob. (Hell, I've done the fake cop thing before myself.) This could just be a mafia member appealing to my distrust of rob though, to move forward on an unlikely lynch target.
Again though, this is good timing. We have room to make mistakes. I was planning on using that room myself, but I see this is a much better use for that wiggle room.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 08:04:17 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
I believe given the lack of votes and content from outside the main camps, an extension might be appropriate.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 06, 2020, 08:23:10 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 06, 2020, 08:25:57 pm
Why did you target geo? His roleclaim was somewhat believable regardless of alignement while we still know nothing about timpa.
If I outed myself with my response (obv impossible due to my alignement alone, but it seems thats the story you want to tell now), why didnt you immediately take your claim back?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 09:27:05 pm
Just in case.
Post by: Submachine on June 06, 2020, 09:43:57 pm
Side note, I tinfoil the world where no one mentioned is mafia and they just skate on by. That would actually make me laugh. Like a world where cali/annele/geo are mafia. Oh my god that would be so funny. I'd hate myselfThe funny thing is, that's where ian has been the whole game. I would not be surprised if that was the case, maybe replacing Annele with rob/shock.
I hope we can get this done without an extension, otherwise I would keep thinking about this on Monday and not be able to concentrate on work. (With 10 players alive, 5 votes are enough.) If the remaining people could talk on Sunday, that would be lovely. :)
Post by: MasterWalks on June 06, 2020, 09:45:40 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 06, 2020, 10:12:14 pm
If shock is innocent, and we conclude rob in mafia, annele can eat rob. Should that fail, we can lynch rob ourselves. (Either because Annele gets nightkilled or rob gets protected somehow)
If rob is innocent, we don't really have an offensive cover, shock will almost certainly survive the night given how tied he is with annele.
I'm inclined to believe shock, I would rather lynch rob over shock, but it might be safer to hedge our bet.
This of course dismisses my earlier tinfoil, that neither are mafia, but I dont know if thats even possible tbh.
I'd like to hear thoughts on this, specifically from MW, who is the only Conf town in my book, Shock, who I believe more then rob, and Sub, who while I believe shock, still seems town to me.
And obvious annele if they log in.
Post by: Annele on June 07, 2020, 12:30:57 am
-snip-Also REALLY REALLY convenient that your N2 target and N3 target have publicly made thread role claims. Oh wait so has your N0 claimed target. A pretty good cover story for either lyingtown!shock (that much lying town you surely doesn't believe is beneficial to town??) or a scum!shock trying to hide his real role or if you're actually FE but scum disguising your real night actions such as N1 immaterialing of serp, etc.
1.) My role is Psion. I am not fate egg. I am not golden nymph. I am Psion. Here are my results:
N0 --> kaempfer13 (crusader - role had not been used yet since psion has lowest priority)
N1 --> moehrpi (deja vu - this was a wasted use but it only wastes 1 night and it's pretty much a guaranteed win if they ended up being mafia)
N2 --> Annele (Otyugh)
N3 --> Ge0 (Ghost of the Past)
-snip-
Shock stated I was oty before I claimed. Yes, he possibly could have guessed from my bad attempts at breadcrumming, but I didn't publicly claim until well after. It does seem suspicious that the rest of the information that shock claims was already claimed in thread. (Edit: this was pointed out several times afterwards)
Annele - who did you target last night with Devour? (Nobody else answer anything related to this please - just for Annele input here)
I didn't target anyone.
Annele - like why would you not out this info the Day phase after you were blocked or flayed or otherwise had your ability stopped? I don't know why town (as I've said before on this about you claim here) wouldn't claim this being blocked in the thread at a point during the next Day phase??
As I've explained before, I was worried about revealing too much to mafia too soon. I also wasn't sure if I was being blocked or just that kae had been protected and so I tried to vauge by saying I was more suspicious of kae after a night that gave less information than I hoped for.
This was where I breadcrummmed my n1 action - no idea if it was obvious enough for shock to confidently claim me as oty:
kae I think would be an interestig path to go down, since peple I have scum and town read in the past are both pushing him right now, which is certaimly making me reconsider things.
I don't make typos - the only misspelt words in that post were wrong by n o m. I also mentioned being disappointed by the lack of info after night 1 and being more suspicious of kae (since I thought his mafia buddies might have been protecting him.)
Heres a question then. Do we believe Rob/shock are different alignments?
I agree with you that I tend to believe both shock and sub. From everything they've posted I do think that either rob or shock is mafia, and we should lynch one of them this day. I'm inclined to think it's rob, since he's seemed more suspicious to me all game. I'm worried that I might be biased by their individual reads on me though.
If the one we lynch flips town, then I'll happily eat the other, but I'll probably get nked in that case, unless mafia have another way to protect themselves. I do understand the reasoning behind wanting to lynch the one that you think I'm less likely to eat, but I think it might be better to go for the one we think is more likely mafia, since if we choose wrong I'm not sure my ability will matter.
@Annele
I know you're town. Since I'm pretty much the only one who has trusted you this entire time I would like you to trust me as well. Unless you or I come upon some revelation in the next day, make sure you devour Calindu the next night. Ignore what others say.
Shock, what changed between this and your phase 3 reveal post? Why cal then? I assume you don't want me to eat him anymore, since you've put him in your townreads. What was the point of this post?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 07, 2020, 03:26:07 am
Heres a question then. Do we believe Rob/shock are different alignments? If so, we have two pretty good options/outcomes
If shock is innocent, and we conclude rob in mafia, annele can eat rob. Should that fail, we can lynch rob ourselves. (Either because Annele gets nightkilled or rob gets protected somehow)
If rob is innocent, we don't really have an offensive cover, shock will almost certainly survive the night given how tied he is with annele.
I'm inclined to believe shock, I would rather lynch rob over shock, but it might be safer to hedge our bet.
This of course dismisses my earlier tinfoil, that neither are mafia, but I dont know if thats even possible tbh.
I'd like to hear thoughts on this, specifically from MW, who is the only Conf town in my book, Shock, who I believe more then rob, and Sub, who while I believe shock, still seems town to me.
And obvious annele if they log in.
[1]
im down to lynch rob.
If Rob flips town we lynch shock.
If shock flips town and we lose.
Ill believe shock due to no one else has a better plan.
What? lynch annele? if annele flips mafia then yay we got the inactive one and cue ridiculously paranoid vote pattern readings.
If she flips town, then we probably lynch rob see [1]
I say we skip the annele step, lynch rob and hope for mafia flip. (inb4 annele flip maf and people use this against me)
Im confirmed town on pretty much everyones radar. I will most likely be NK'd next. Probably wont be able to get another ability use. I say if town FE rolls dragonfly, target andre.
Annele, if your town and rob flips town, eat shock. dont let him spew anymore nonsense.
My scum reads so far
V
MasterWalks
jcj
n+
n-
W
Everyone else
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 03:34:06 am
-snip-By the way shock, if I'm scum then pushing a wagon uphill with a rope like I've done on most all my cases this game is NOT how scum win a game when they are as visible and post-present as I am. Smart players will know this and if they're town take it into account as a TOWN activity. Of course, you'll do as you always do and simply choose to bury your head in your own world to play your own game, apparently. Cheers mate. By the way, I still think you're most likely town making terrible plays repeatedly.
- rob has tried to lynch Annele, andre, and Calindu with intent to kill in positions where another target was very easily lynchable.
-snip-
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 03:40:30 am
If you're scum then the game will take care of you I believe. If you're town, once more time in case people skipped the text block above --- your case is horrible and if you continue to refuse to even engage in conversation about your case that I have rebutted then I'm going to do my best to play this out for a town win but I'm never playing if you're in a game in the future. Simply ridiculous at this point.
Now back to solving and playing in a way that portends to advance my win-con...
Expanding on a bit of something I said before and stated above - if Ge0 / Annele / Cal are town then what could possibly be the reason NOBODY, outside of kae on Ge0 and myself on Annele (anyone still pushing Cal case??), is trying to seek lynch on them? If they are town, then they are RIPE for mislynch... I however have an on-going case on Annele and if she is town I"d expect the trio of scum remaining to be active enough to try to push there ... it makes spider-sense tingle that at least one of them is mafia.
shock - if you're somehow frickin' town this game, then play the game and flesh out why you think Annele is town eh? I read your ISO and it is so all over the place or filled with things so off-kilter as to be nearly unreadable that I would like to see your read on Annele put together all in one place.
timpa - what you up to there eh? I live in a world where a TOWN player than immaterial'd serp misreading the rules/roles would (_SHOULD_) have come clean by now... so seems pretty much a mafia dropped annointing on serp N1 and I know it wasn't me, and there are very compelling reasons to believe it wasn't most anyone else in the game except a possible egg!shock or myself (an egg -- I did not immaterial serp, but that is clearly WIFOM coming from me) or YOU. I think you've had enough time to get your claim set up and straight to be believable. Are you scumming again this game? I remember being scum with you in one of my last (or my last/previous?) games here prior and you were very keen to let the thread flow on its own so long as you arent' in the limelight etc... feels a lot like what you're doing here?? (Busy in life is fair I suppose... but what can you offer as a minimum to defend that you are NOT the one who acted as Anubis on serp back N1?).
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 03:46:01 am
Please make sure you are very carefully considering. Your angle that if shock is town and rob is town then town loses feels pretty spot on if we let shock strongarm this day into being rob-shock thunderdome. I think he is most probably town this game... I know my alignment, and I'm simply not ready to just lie down and let $#@!-town (probably) toss my multi-week investment of time down the freaking tubes because they are self-blinded and not being realistic about all this.
Maybe this is a good time for me to make it known I am VERY likely to miss EOD for this phase due to family obligations and things like that... I do NOT want that to play much into how others vote but I say it to help clarify why I'm feeling a bit frantic about this now because I have a couple more hours maybe and possibly a few short things I can do tomorrow morning before I am incommunicado rest of day, in essence.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 03:48:35 am
But, I cannot shout from the roof my scumread there while I get tanked by what I believe to be bad play by other town... so I'm forced into a world where I vote a scumread of mine that offers a fair counter-wagon chance _OR_ later in the phase if need be I'll self-pres onto ANYBODY. Mark that down. I will self-pres if necessary and the time comes for it.
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Post by: MasterWalks on June 07, 2020, 03:50:21 am
We know everything we need to. Shes oty, DC flayed her all game, and she is never here. During War she only showed up to play her battles. Im willing to believe busy irl.
Now, im also willing to believe she is mafia. Im willing to vote her off but not yet. I think we need one more day/night with a different, more informative lynch today. If we lynch you or shock, we have a gameplan. We could literally leave the thread dead and win.
MW - wtf mate? Are you just simply "going with shock's ludicrous crap" approach and voting me? You really think I've been somehow power-wolf-ing out of my mind in some kind of god-like manner all this time???!? There is just no way you can actually believe shock's case? Town, which has me included, really really needs you to keep a level head about this becasue you are WIDELY town-read and will get lots of town to simply sheep your vote because they can't be arsed to play for real and gives GREAT/easy cover for scum to simply pile up and runaway train me here.
Please make sure you are very carefully considering. Your angle that if shock is town and rob is town then town loses feels pretty spot on if we let shock strongarm this day into being rob-shock thunderdome. I think he is most probably town this game... I know my alignment, and I'm simply not ready to just lie down and let $#@!-town (probably) toss my multi-week investment of time down the freaking tubes because they are self-blinded and not being realistic about all this.
Maybe this is a good time for me to make it known I am VERY likely to miss EOD for this phase due to family obligations and things like that... I do NOT want that to play much into how others vote but I say it to help clarify why I'm feeling a bit frantic about this now because I have a couple more hours maybe and possibly a few short things I can do tomorrow morning before I am incommunicado rest of day, in essence.
lmao i dont care if we lynch you or shock. ill hop to a shock train if you get it started and save a seat for me.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 03:50:55 am
Heres a question then. Do we believe Rob/shock are different alignments? If so, we have two pretty good options/outcomes
If shock is innocent, and we conclude rob in mafia, annele can eat rob. Should that fail, we can lynch rob ourselves. (Either because Annele gets nightkilled or rob gets protected somehow)
If rob is innocent, we don't really have an offensive cover, shock will almost certainly survive the night given how tied he is with annele.
I'm inclined to believe shock, I would rather lynch rob over shock, but it might be safer to hedge our bet.
This of course dismisses my earlier tinfoil, that neither are mafia, but I dont know if thats even possible tbh.
I'd like to hear thoughts on this, specifically from MW, who is the only Conf town in my book, Shock, who I believe more then rob, and Sub, who while I believe shock, still seems town to me.
And obvious annele if they log in.
[1]
im down to lynch rob.
If Rob flips town we lynch shock.
If shock flips town and we lose.
Ill believe shock due to no one else has a better plan.
What? lynch annele? if annele flips mafia then yay we got the inactive one and cue ridiculously paranoid vote pattern readings.
If she flips town, then we probably lynch rob see [1]
I say we skip the annele step, lynch rob and hope for mafia flip. (inb4 annele flip maf and people use this against me)
Im confirmed town on pretty much everyones radar. I will most likely be NK'd next. Probably wont be able to get another ability use. I say if town FE rolls dragonfly, target andre.
Annele, if your town and rob flips town, eat shock. dont let him spew anymore nonsense.
My scum reads so far
V
MasterWalks
jcj
n+
n-
W
Everyone else
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
If rob flips town though, its likely annele flips mafia with shock imo. or at least, its a spooky territory.
Math time
Worst case scenario for a rob flip town and annele is mafia
If we flip Rob, and they are town we go from 3 v 7 to 3 v 6. Then NK, putting us at 3v5, then annele eats a town. 3v4, and shock actually is fate egg manages to roll otyugh/Splatoon OR n2 shock rolled toadfish and poisoned someone, thus theyll die tonight leaving us 3v3.
Worst case we flip shock and shock is town
Similar pattern, NK puts us at 3v5. Annele should be pretty okay, they eat rob, and assuming shock and rob are V/W it goes to 2v5. If they aren't its 3v4 and were at a similar scenario for the above.
All lines of play I can see right now revolve around managing the risk annele innately presents by being otyugh.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 03:52:38 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 07, 2020, 03:54:14 am
All lines of play I can see right now revolve around managing the risk annele innately presents by being otyugh.
pretty much this. Im down to roll the dice on her not using it tho.
can we get someone to do a r/theydidthemath to make sure we can actually afford keeping a possible maf oty alive?
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 03:57:40 am
Put that on your plate (and eat it)!
-Sophie Lennon
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 03:59:06 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 07, 2020, 03:59:48 am
MW - I don't want to vote a town-read of mine unless it is self-pres. I cannot at this time believe he would make such a wack-a-doodle play as scum with a team. I am somewhow able to at least get a bit of belief that a town-shock thinks this ridiculous play he's made is a good idea (it isn't). If he is town like I suspect, then voting / lynching EITHER of he or myself today / next day phase is a SURE LOSS for town. I don't want that world, so I'm not starting a shock train... I'll as stated before self-pres there if absolutely necessary.
if shock is mafia, the mafia team will probably just let him play himself. They might proof read his posts but anyone who knows shock would know him being just natural him is the least (but also most) sus way for him to play. I dont really believe everything he says and im probably being dumb by being down for a sketchy info lynch, but we need a gameplan if we want any hopes of winning and lynching annele will not get us a gamplan especially if she flips mafia (which is what we are hoping for right?)
give me step by step what we do until end of game if annele flips mafia.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 04:01:12 am
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 04:03:25 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 04:04:50 am
If annele flips mafia we would probably flip shock anyway. Shock said he knew she was town, and has been defending her at every turn. Theyre locked together in my mind at this point.
if shock is mafia, the mafia team will probably just let him play himself. They might proof read his posts but anyone who knows shock would know him being just natural him is the least (but also most) sus way for him to play. I dont really believe everything he says and im probably being dumb by being down for a sketchy info lynch, but we need a gameplan if we want any hopes of winning and lynching annele will not get us a gamplan especially if she flips mafia (which is what we are hoping for right?)
give me step by step what we do until end of game if annele flips mafia.
Then we would probably flip some PoE people. Timpa Cali Geo all come to mind
kdz - what on earth would a scum!shock be doing with this choice of thunderdome and timing? There are enough players in most people's POE's that scum!shock _should_ have no reason for this ridiculous play/push. So from my perspective the fact he is making the push and I think that he is town doing it ---- well, you can understand my frantic nature of trying to get people to think elsewhere (that is, a rob-shock thunderdome portends almost certain disaster - town loss).Thats why im inclined to believe shock. The scenario where shock is mafia would require his n2 role to be toadfish for him to be certain of the results of his play, but he could be rolling the dice and hope that your death fuels fire elsewhere after his death.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 04:10:22 am
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 04:12:05 am
Of course, the only way to be fairly sure that at least one of MW / kdz survives tonight is to NOT let a possibly scum!Oty get a chance to eat one of you... hmmm.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 04:14:04 am
Do we all agree though that the person who immaterialled serp has to be one of Timpa/Shock/Rob though?kdz - for my input... if it ISN'T in that trio then there is someone in this game who is SUPERBLY faking their claim. From my perspective, I can view it even more finitely as between timpa/shock. Shock's N1 of moe that he never previously outted is quite sus... but timpa's TOTAL lack of claiming or informing the thread about ANYTHING is also very very sus. No idea why anyone wouuld think I"m the most likely in that trio given how I've honestly played and given out ALL my night actions as they were done.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 04:18:32 am
Now, thats just it. If annele wasn't unknown i'd have voted on you no problem Rob, I just want us to be aware of our chips and where the lay. Its all about if Annele/Shock share a role. If theyre V a free gunshot is an invaluable tool, if they aren't well. Things stop looking so pretty.
Obviously you know your actions, but I'm just speaking strictly mechanically, these are the only suspects. Thats assuming either you or shock is lyingDo we all agree though that the person who immaterialled serp has to be one of Timpa/Shock/Rob though?kdz - for my input... if it ISN'T in that trio then there is someone in this game who is SUPERBLY faking their claim. From my perspective, I can view it even more finitely as between timpa/shock. Shock's N1 of moe that he never previously outted is quite sus... but timpa's TOTAL lack of claiming or informing the thread about ANYTHING is also very very sus. No idea why anyone wouuld think I"m the most likely in that trio given how I've honestly played and given out ALL my night actions as they were done.
And linkcat did ask for psion to check on moe/serp "Just in case" to avoid two mafia becoming conf town.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 04:23:03 am
Ive come to terms with my shallow grave rob, I hope you have too.And as per my town-read on Link at the time, I did my duty in using my shite Egg draw of Psion that night to target serp. I clearly came forward the next day with that action. Shock seems to possibly have done likewise (that is, also targeted one of serp/moe with Psion on N1) but he lies about other things then several phases "comes clean" about having Psion'd the OTHER 'non-bad-publicity-drawing' piece of the deja vu pair... like how does that make it more likely I'm the liar? I don't get it (obviously I know my truth -but even trying to put myself in others' shoes I don't see how my side of things is less believable as truth???).
Now, thats just it. If annele wasn't unknown i'd have voted on you no problem Rob, I just want us to be aware of our chips and where the lay. Its all about if Annele/Shock share a role. If theyre V a free gunshot is an invaluable tool, if they aren't well. Things stop looking so pretty.Obviously you know your actions, but I'm just speaking strictly mechanically, these are the only suspects. Thats assuming either you or shock is lyingDo we all agree though that the person who immaterialled serp has to be one of Timpa/Shock/Rob though?kdz - for my input... if it ISN'T in that trio then there is someone in this game who is SUPERBLY faking their claim. From my perspective, I can view it even more finitely as between timpa/shock. Shock's N1 of moe that he never previously outted is quite sus... but timpa's TOTAL lack of claiming or informing the thread about ANYTHING is also very very sus. No idea why anyone wouuld think I"m the most likely in that trio given how I've honestly played and given out ALL my night actions as they were done.
And linkcat did ask for psion to check on moe/serp "Just in case" to avoid two mafia becoming conf town.
Post by: shockcannon on June 07, 2020, 04:28:50 am
Also why do you think rob keeps talking about me being town? Every other town member in the past put me as mafia lean for my actions and would do the same here, yet rob writes it off as a bad town play because he knows if he gets in a pissing match with me, one of us is going to get lynched today. But he doesn’t want that to happen. He wants Annele to die today so mafia doesn’t have to deal with kdz and Annele.
Almost everyone else has come to terms that either rob or I is mafia, but rob keeeps trying to push the idea that we’re both town. He wants Annele dead now. Don’t give it to him. DONT FORGET THAT IAN VOTED ANNELE WITH INTENT TO KILL WHEN HE HAD THE OPTION OF GOING FOR ANDRE AND LINKCAT INSTEAD.
@Annele
Yes, my opinion has changed. Don’t eat Calindu. I did originally think calindu was mafia but after I came to the realization that rob has to be the mafia Anubis, my entire read list changed and I realized that him and kaempf are actually the mafia, which then clears Calindu. Obviously you decide for yourself who to eat. You can even eat me, but keep in my mind I’m literally the only one who has tried to keep you alive this entire game. I would appreciate some help voting rob for today though and we can figure out food devour targets later.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 04:32:51 am
That would be because I'm trying to play with skill and keep solving and considering all possible variable that make sense. Unfortunately for me, that means a world where you are likely misguided town. So yeah, I'm preferring a world where we don't thunderdome because that - as explained by both kdz and myself (and MW?) - is a scenario where town is auto-screwed and basically has lost. I will not lose that way. So I'm digging deep to find a way to keep my head on straight and realize that PROBABLY the way you're playing is town!shock. REgrettably so, but hey I have to try to work with those that I think are aligned with me even when they refuse or just keep pushing a terrible situation.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 04:51:29 am
Rob making it seem so important to Kill Annele now because she could eat a second town. In reality, he just doesn’t want to deal with a scenario where town either gets GN off or devour off.
Also why do you think rob keeps talking about me being town? Every other town member in the past put me as mafia lean for my actions and would do the same here, yet rob writes it off as a bad town play because he knows if he gets in a pissing match with me, one of us is going to get lynched today. But he doesn’t want that to happen. He wants Annele to die today so mafia doesn’t have to deal with kdz and Annele.
The thing I dislike about shock, is they seem to post whatever I'm thinking about. Its like I'm living in the matrix and shock has a direct line to my brain.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 05:24:13 am
I think our safest play is to flip shock. Not because I think shock is mafia, but because I think it hedges our bets against annele as much as we reasonably can without outright killing annele. I believe shock is town, if not purely because they are in my head and I can see myself making all of theirs plays so far as a town. But, if I'm drinking the koolaid and shock is mafia, then annele gets a free kill and we enter a risky zone.
I'm asking you, do we make the risky play that can outright win us the game and kill rob (or cause us to potentially outright lose to a wombo combo) or do we kill shock and take a safe bet to secure annele.
This assumes Shock/Annele are W/W or V/V ofc, and I strongly believe they share alignment.
I would also like to take a moment to point out this post.
Oh just remembered, you're supposedly (and very believably so) Vulture-->Golden (kdz) ---- MW, you should realistically have almost NO FEAR of dying tonight. Either that or scum let's the Golden live and have a chance to ping another red peek.This right here out of everything posted makes me the most nervous of rob. Its a threat, an ATE and a deflection all in one. Rob takes a shot at my credibility, tries to put the fear of dying into both of us (suggesting if we let annele live we will both die, which i admit is a real risk), and suggests we move onto annele instead.
Of course, the only way to be fairly sure that at least one of MW / kdz survives tonight is to NOT let a possibly scum!Oty get a chance to eat one of you... hmmm.
It should be noted, he is right a little bit. Unless the mafia try to make a play and lynch me tomorrow, you are almost certainly safe tonight MW, aside from annele. But do we, and more importantly, do you, believe annele is mafia?
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kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
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kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
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kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
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Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
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andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
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Annele (1) - Ge0metry
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Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
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Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on AnneleAnnele (1) - rob7dp
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Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
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Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
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rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
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Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
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Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
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Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Kaes lynch log offers us a lot, it shows ian busing the hell out of annele, but that could just be a seed sown for doubt later if ian gets caught or annele flips mafia. The same is true for timpa, but I doubt timpa has a kill role. I think its on us to push one way or another, as you are the conf town, and I'm a suspect conf town (Whatever, idk how to describe it. I know I'm town, but I understand if theres still lingering doubts about my alignment, despite the corpse under my belt.)
Post by: andretimpa on June 07, 2020, 05:25:20 am
This is where I crumbed my role (note that I left N1 uncapitalized)
@kaemp
At last some activity in this thread. Sorry for just being over there, this has been very low on my priorities these last days. Here's a detail you forgot: since rob targeted serp in n1 he could also have been the anubis.
I didn't target serp because I can't target anyone, I'm a phoenix. Also note that this was made before shock's wall of text, so the only world where this was made preemptively is one where we are w/w, which I already argued against in my previous post.
The way I see it there is 1 mafia between you and shock (echoing everyone, but that's just POE)
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 05:29:21 am
[01:00:50] ‹killsdazombies› What a fun mafia game this is
[01:01:55] ‹killsdazombies› I myself am not sure If i'm using fun ironically though lmao
[01:02:08] ‹killsdazombies› or i guess sarcastically
[01:21:51] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@killsdazombies› post in thread or by the power of deadpad I shall modkill you : :devil:
[01:24:33] ‹killsdazombies› Oh lmao I just did ww3
[01:24:40] ‹killsdazombies› I didn't even see your stuff I had been mulling things over
[01:25:01] ‹killsdazombies› God I wish I was a part of the deadpad
[01:25:29] ‹killsdazombies› Obv i don't envy your entire situation www3, being dead and all as the cop
[01:25:47] ‹killsdazombies› But I hate making choices in text mafia. I feel so naked.
[01:26:02] ‹killsdazombies› Maybe I should just be drinking for all of these posts...
[01:26:17] ‹worldwideweb3› (As in I meant post the mafia stuff u typed in chat in thread )
[01:26:34] ‹killsdazombies› Oh?
[01:26:44] ‹killsdazombies› Is that worth posting?
[01:26:46] ‹killsdazombies› Okay sure
Post by: MasterWalks on June 07, 2020, 05:39:01 am
I'm down to lynch shock on principle alone.
No idea about annele. She should be lynched tomorrow night at the latest.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 05:47:55 am
And if shock flips town do you still support an annele lynch?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 06:36:26 am
Idk, i guess tomorrow I'll wake up and see if my brain or my gut has reached a decision and post either way. Hopefully will be up at least 4 hours before eod.
Post by: shockcannon on June 07, 2020, 10:15:48 am
What’s more valuable? Reading into her being mafia because she rolled otyugh as a role and isn’t as active as other players? Or looking at past voting and realizing that its highly unlikely her teammates were willing to just kill her off as the first lynch ever when there were plenty of other town players they could’ve gone after instead while still avoiding suspicion?
Lynching me off instead of rob because of the Annele situation is a safer play statistically. Except it’s not, because those odds change when there are very good reasons for Annele being town. So I highly suggest you simply look at if you trust me more or rob more and vote off that. If you think I’m more suspicious than vote me, but don’t vote me because you’re worried about Annele and want to play things as safe as possible. Play to win, don’t play to be scared.
Do you think fake claiming fate egg GN to save a potential mafia is a statistically good play? No, logically it sucks on extreme levels. But I took a gamble because I knew the mafia is much better at manipulating town when they go for the obvious play. I thought Linkcat was much more a threat than kaempf because he was a heavy player but one that was offering too much cover for players like rob and torb and sub to hide behind. In the same way, I’m worried about what’s going to happen if I get lynched. The remaining town players are not super active and don’t have a loud voice in this game. If rob is mafia, are you guys confident you can rally enough of the remaining town to take him out? Because he will without a doubt try to sway a couple of the weaker voters into believing that both me and rob could be town.
If We decide to lynch rob though and he flips town for some impossible reason, I won’t stop you guys from lynching me. Because I’ll just accept that I screwed up and take the hit. But you can already see rob trying to deflect things now and set up for his own safety even if I get lynched today and flip town. That should be a sign. Don’t believe his BS that both of us are town. ONE OF US HAS TO BE MAFIA BECAUSE ONE OF US IS THE ANUBIS.
Post by: shockcannon on June 07, 2020, 10:21:47 am
Post by: Calindu on June 07, 2020, 11:20:24 am
1-hour extension(1) - Calindu
Post by: Calindu on June 07, 2020, 12:22:12 pm
Are we certain there is an Anubis?
No, I haven't heard of any other blocked abilities as far as I remember, so I'm pretty sure it was Fate Egg Anubis.
From this post, I think that ian seemed to buddy rob? Not sure.
The list of possible Anubises is not very long.Found it. And the list is now even smaller.
If I count that Annele cannot be Anubis and if I believe rob's reports, then only the following people can be it:
1. iancudorinmarian
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
15. killsdazombies
18. Ge0metry v1.2
@MasterWalks: If you have seen one of these people target someone, please help to narrow the list.
AFAIK, shock has not said anything about his N1 action, so it is possible that he got Anubis from Fate Egg.
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
18. Ge0metry v1.2
@shock: If I am correct about what you have in mind, I see no reason why you would not reveal what you found.
Add rob to that list and remove Ge0. Unless Ge0 and shock are both mafia, then he can't be Anubis.
1.) My role is Psion. I am not fate egg. I am not golden nymph. I am Psion. Here are my results:
N0 --> kaempfer13 (crusader - role had not been used yet since psion has lowest priority)
N1 --> moehrpi (deja vu - this was a wasted use but it only wastes 1 night and it's pretty much a guaranteed win if they ended up being mafia)
N2 --> Annele (Otyugh)
N3 --> Ge0 (Ghost of the Past)
This seems convenient as hell, I tell you that, the only role which you claimed to have seen before they were actually claimed was Annele's one. Also seems convenient that you targeted moe and not serp N1. You are either Egg or Psion based on you finding out Annele's role, but don't believe your finds can confirm you as Psion.
rob77dp
Remember when I said rob was mafia back in day 1? Remember when I said rob was mafia back in day 2? Well serprex also thought he was mafia but somehow he just slips through the cracks. Anyways, this is the third, last, and most likely mafia Anubis in the game. He even said he would target serprex. Great excuse to justify his visit just in case there was a firefly or something on serprex. Conveniently uses the psion as a perfect scapegoat to justify visiting serprex only to give him immortality. We lost our most afk town N0 who no one would care if they died. Then our confirmed town gets immortality the same night our fate egg visits him? Like this isn't a coincidence folks. We have our mafia right here.
Stop using emotional reads when there are mechanical reads available. I'm sick of this "if rob is mafia then I deserve to lose. He has to be town." Rob is a good player. He knows how to trick you. But they slipped up. It can literally only be rob or Submachine as andretimpa is basically confirmed town due to ian's voting.
I said multiple times that I scumread rob, so I believe your points here are true, it's convenient that he visited serprex N1 as Psion and was serprex received Immortality the very same night.
(HINT: this is pro town activity, I'm trying to help town win here)
This is one of the funniest posts of the entire game, you don't need to tell us what is pro town activity this directly, everyone needs to decide for themselves based on everyone's posts.
4. You think I saved kae on day 2? He was dead meat on Day 2 as runaway lead wagon. Then _YOU_ came in with a claim of having GN'd him prior and that you KNOW he is town -- that is what saved kae ---- I did not save him, YOU did. You are quite literally 'blaming' me as the one who did what actually YOU did.
I agree with rob here, you saved kae, not anyone else.
In a world where rob used Anubis on serprex during N1 and claimed Psion, rob would most likely be mafia. But it is a world I am not quite ready to accept yet, so that is also why I went with the assumption that rob was truthful about his reports. I concede that my ATE influenced my mechanical PoE, but even though it is possible, I still think rob is the least likely to be the Anubis.
???
Why did you focus so much this game on Link and rob?
By the way shock, if I'm scum then pushing a wagon uphill with a rope like I've done on most all my cases this game is NOT how scum win a game when they are as visible and post-present as I am. Smart players will know this and if they're town take it into account as a TOWN activity. Of course, you'll do as you always do and simply choose to bury your head in your own world to play your own game, apparently. Cheers mate. By the way, I still think you're most likely town making terrible plays repeatedly.
Again with this type of post, telling us what is town activity and taking credit for doing it.
Then we would probably flip some PoE people. Timpa Cali Geo all come to mind
Why are you trivialising this end game so much? How the hell going by PoE randomly a good strategy at this point in the game? I believe you are town, I don't think a kdz/ian w/w thunderdome happened, but this seems like such a bad plan.
This is the last vote tally.Looking back at the final votes on Linkcat, my reads are now outdated. If only serprex and TorB are mech confirmed, and kdz is GN who helped find a mafia, then I think 1-2 mafia hides among shock, Calindu, and kaempfer.
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
shock and kaempfer are vouching for each other (well, only kae was "cleared" by shock, but noone cleared shock), and serp is Vujatron, so my new top 3 scumreads are Calindu, TorB, and kdz.
If you keep thinking that mafia was on Link and the other wagon was mafia, then why not go hard after me? It's the only way your whole theory about mafia pushing the Linkcat lynch makes sense.
Post by: Calindu on June 07, 2020, 12:24:44 pm
rob77dp (3) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu
Voting rob for now, I semi-believe andre's claim and that means that one of rob/shock made serprex Immortal. Not sure why rob keeps trying to push for an Annele lynch, it literally makes no sense since there's almost no chance both him and shock are town.
Post by: Annele on June 07, 2020, 12:58:54 pm
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Voting before I go to bed. I still think rob's the more likely mafia of the two (shock and rob).
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 02:41:39 pm
Then we would probably flip some PoE people. Timpa Cali Geo all come to mind
Why are you trivialising this end game so much? How the hell going by PoE randomly a good strategy at this point in the game? I believe you are town, I don't think a kdz/ian w/w thunderdome happened, but this seems like such a bad plan.
You misunderstood the point of the post, this was meant to highlight that I wouldn't really know where to start with a Shock/Annele team aside from digging into the that group.
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu
Voting rob for now, I semi-believe andre's claim and that means that one of rob/shock made serprex Immortal. Not sure why rob keeps trying to push for an Annele lynch, it literally makes no sense since there's almost no chance both him and shock are town.
So this is actually a strat I use all the time in person. It looks like its a line directed at the attacker, but its really for everyone else. You assure everyone you think your attacker is town, it makes you look like a peaceful dude and makes your attacker appear doubly aggressive. Then, later on you casually deflect onto someone else. I do something like that all the time as both mafia and town.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 02:42:54 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies
If this is a ruse you got me shock, plain and simple. Thats all I can really say.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 03:25:10 pm
I have way better things to do with my life than futz with this much bad play. I couldn't tolerate it before so I quit for a while. The more things change the more they stay the same - the one day I cannot play hard at end of day is the one 8 get screwed. Get rekt town, we (town) lose. I'm town I'm town I'm town. Oh have I mentioned I'm town. I can say it all I want. Did I mention how I know I'm town? They're this ought to give even scum the free pass to hop on me and mass wagon my mislynch. Also, I'll be honest I don't even care if town wins anyone. You've sucked. Get. R. E. K. T.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 03:29:32 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 07, 2020, 03:44:40 pm
rob77dp (6) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp
However you want it man, but you can't come and blame everyone else for playing poorly, let's be serious about it. Miss me with this bullshit elitism, it doesn't help and it never will. You can't just expect everyone to follow you and agree with your stuff, and you can't tell us we suck if we don't agree.
Post by: andretimpa on June 07, 2020, 03:53:36 pm
rob77dp (8) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
I agree with everyone saying we need to lynch one of rob/shock. Rob seems like the most viable train, but I have no problem switching to shock. This game has just been pure chaos.
Post by: andretimpa on June 07, 2020, 03:54:45 pm
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 07, 2020, 04:06:43 pm
Darn, there are so many things I couldnt do yet since I couldnt focus on this game in the last few days, but with people so deadset to lynch rob I suppose they are not interested in an extension anymore (kinda reminds me of day2 though, so that doesnt mean you guys are all right)
Post by: Submachine on June 07, 2020, 05:39:57 pm
One of my PoE contains shock, Calindu, and kaempfer, because I suspect 1-2 mafia was pushing Linkcat's train. And today's Poe (rob, shock, or timpa) also contains shock.Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, KillsdazombiesLooking back at the final votes on Linkcat, my reads are now outdated. If only serprex and TorB are mech confirmed, and kdz is GN who helped find a mafia, then I think 1-2 mafia hides among shock, Calindu, and kaempfer.
I saw andretimpa shared his role, and he also showed crumbs. Rob was also crumbing his actions, plus he gave constant reports of them. Shock was the only one without supporting crumbs, so I'm less convinced about his case. During role bluffing, it would have been especially useful to hint at the truth. (If there are crumbs shock forgot to share and he points them out, my vote will change to rob.)
Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rateAt the beginning of the game, I decided to give higher town lean to those who solve more, and before his grand plan, there weren't many of shock's. This mentality also proved to be true between ian and kdz, so I'm sticking with it.
So to me, the lines converge here. I analyzed each scenario where rob and shock are v/w and w/v, and while both worlds seem plausible, voting shock made more sense to me.
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 07, 2020, 05:43:22 pm
Here is all the relevant spew I could find from ian; just dumping it here for now, will work through it in time. I left out the obv parts that point to kdz town, it goes without saying.@calin,This looks like Calin and ian are not aligned.
1) My vote switches weren't random.
2) rob is currently my strongest town read after the deja vu pairandretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarianSeems reluctant, I'll have to find the conversation that led up to this. Yh, still gotta do this
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
Fine by me.Iancu are you okay with lynching andre? If so then we can end this charade. Annele is being voted as a viable counterwagon because shock, MW, and serp are being dumb by voting me, Annele and kaempfer's votes are legit.I don't even know anymore. Way too much stuff going on. I could be persuaded to lynch you, even. I'll try the Annele lynch, I'll see where trusting rob takes me.
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
Here he favors voting annele over andre or Link for an arbitrary reason; doesnt look like a busattempt in the slightest (and makes me a little sus of andre)ok this post does sound like timpa, ian not w/wI wouldn't be opposed to a timpa lynch tbh. He didn't really contribute much except for a small poke at rob. Although I don't necessarily scumread him (timpa), I'm still against no-lynch as a concept. So unless timpa comes up with something, I would probably place him at "n-".TorB, I'm not going to do a read on everyone. I simply lack the motivation to go through so many posts. If there are a few people I've omitted that you want an opinion on, feel free to ask.andre and Sub currently have the most lynch votes. You put Sub as n, so let's look at andre. Are you okay with him being lynched, or is there someone else you would prefer getting lynched?
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitalsAlbeit late, here's my updated readlist.
vv
serprex - you know why
v
rob - Still my strongest town read. Make of that what you wish.
n+
TorB - I can see where kae is coming from, but it feels way too conspiracy theory to me. TorB is still a town-lean for me.
MW - Not sure what to think of him. He's asking for the reads of some very specific people. Town behaviour, I'd say.
n
shock - I don't even read his posts. I'm too low IQ to understand, so I just ignore.
Calin - I haven't seen anything unusual from him yet.
Sub - I don't know. I don't like reading walls of texts, so I kinda ignore those. People with more patience can feel free to analyze them better.
kdz, DC, Ge0 - No clue whatsoever.
n-
Linkcat - U N L Y N C H A B L E
andre - Still one of the people I suspect. To be honest, I don't like how easy it was to forget about him entirely.
w
Annele - I really don't like how hard she was to lynch D1.
kae - As said, his theories feel way too conspiracy-oriented.
ww
pretty obvious that he doesnt put his buddies in scumreads with reasons like that; theres much more to take from his readlists, but I dont have the time for itiancu--Unfortunately, my role is not an information role at all, and that's all I'll say about it.
This is about the point in the game(s?) I recall town you revealing juicy tidbits of info you've collected while flying mostly under the radar. Remind me, are you just sheeping my Annele read or are you on an independent scumread of her??
My Annele scumread started with sheeping yours, but while you seem to have mostly let that be in the past, I'm still clinging on to it. That's about all I have, even at this late stage of the game. I don't really have a plan tbh, too many fate eggs, too many unknowns still.
Imo this still reads like not w/w, at the risk of proving myself an idiot within the next hour once again. Blindly sheeping a scumpartner is pretty much unheard of as it serves little purpose; it doesnt deepen the case and you are already on the same team, no reason to buddy up like that. Obv Annele still not teamed with ian either.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 07, 2020, 06:14:26 pm
Woah, woah, woah. Why are we lynching Annele now? How is Link almost dead? How come rob has literally no votes on him anymore after being suspected by almost everyone? Placeholder vote until I get some answers.There is also this bit. Sounds almost dissappointed robs not on the table anymore. It feels like I've made the wrong call every occasion possible in this game, but i just cant see rob as scum.
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
Post by: shockcannon on June 07, 2020, 06:17:08 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 07, 2020, 06:22:44 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on June 07, 2020, 07:00:31 pm
Night 4
The race is getting tight. Here's the fourth night.
rob77dp was lynched. He was an Elemental and a Fate Egg [Dragonfly].
Night 4 has ended.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 07, 2020, 07:10:05 pm
Mechanically there is at least 1 scum in andre, shock, i argue it's both and now that I've finally been right about sth I'm gonna push my views again. if Annele eats someone not out of those 2 we lanch her.
Post by: Submachine on June 07, 2020, 07:27:29 pm
If Annele eats Mafia, we will be down to 5 town vs 2 mafia, with Annele being welcomed among the strong town leans.
Shock and andre should duke it out between themselves tonight. If they are not w/w, the Town between them should make a case for himself and against the other.
If he flips town, you know I'm mafia.He flipped town.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 07:36:59 pm
Our big unknowns (secondary wise) are in Shock Timpa and kae imo. We haven't confirmed anything in kae, besides that cali confirmed they could be targeted. But then again, do we trust cali?
I'm just going to call it a night and focus on getting something to eat.
Post by: rob77dp on June 07, 2020, 07:41:34 pm
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on June 07, 2020, 07:42:06 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 07, 2020, 08:24:58 pm
Well, we flew a little close to the flame there and got burned. I guess our course is set. Fingers crossed the ship doesn't go down tonight anyway.My secondary has been confirmed by both shock(although I'm pretty sure this one was fake atp) and cali (both being able and unable to target respectively at the expected times); id argue it has been confirmed moreso than anyone elses. there is also mw confirming i didnt use it n1.
Our big unknowns (secondary wise) are in Shock Timpa and kae imo. We haven't confirmed anything in kae, besides that cali confirmed they could be targeted. But then again, do we trust cali?
I'm just going to call it a night and focus on getting something to eat.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 08:37:31 pm
not using an ability =/= conf imo, so while I take MWs word as gold, it doesn't really prove anything here.
I'm just trying to narrow down our anubis here, and especially if shock flips mafia, you should be examined. What better cover for an anubis then an adren'd shrieker ya know?
This line of thinking leaves us with a Shock/Kae/Cali team, which while I'm not confident in, is a line I think has merit. I'm going to take some time to think on this, but it would make sense for a mafia shock to throw in a teammate into his kill list for when he inevitably gets caught.
It could all just be tinfoil, but I'd rather bring it up now and discuss it with the town then dump it before I get nk'd
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 07, 2020, 08:44:34 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 07, 2020, 08:46:10 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 07, 2020, 09:27:06 pm
Shocks claim aint worth nothing anymore, so the conf of crusader is out the window. We can agree on that much at least.
So were left with calis claim that you were targetable one night, and then untargetable the next, and further that target was adren. Assuming cali was telling the truth, that leaves us with you either as an adrened shrieker, or as an adrened anubis, but it in no way confirms your primary role. (Since you could have just anubis'd yourself n1 when you claimed to endow torb, given that endow and anubis are right next to each other on the priority list, this would have been relatively safe)
A moment of reflect leads me to doubt myself on cali though. Theyre in a weird territory for me still. I dont think a mafia Green nymph would have a reason to target torb n1. My tinfoil blinded me to the realities of the past night, thus a revision.
shock/Kae/???
??? being one of Timpa, Annele, and geo IMO.
MW - Forced my hand, but I doubt a mafia would do that so publicly to their own, and so eagerly jump on.
Sub - I need to review my opinion of sub. All previous reads/examinations have been with a view that is tainted by shock.
Geo - Still sus of them, nothing has changed. Theyre skirting by only to conveniently come back right at EoD and make a post? Idk. Everything geo does, aside from their claim, seems to rub me the wrong way.
Timpa & Annele - More review required. Annele has a chance to "prove" themselves, or condemn themselves. So that'll solve itself really. Timpa is flying under the radar for me. I'll need to redouble and examine their posts again
Shock - :/
Kae - As discussed above. This is just in the tinfoil stage, but i think it has merit for discussion.
Cali - As stated above, I dont see a reason for scum cali to target torb n1. That just feels like a silly move no matter how you dice it, they couldn't have known how n2 would play out UNLESS they were all on the same team. Thus, unless both kae/shock are mafia, they're probably fine. If kae and shock do both flip mafia though, examination of cali could be beneficial. Its hard to tell now though, Cali is by far the person Im having the toughest time with. I am compelled in both directions on them. Still, for now it feels reasonable to read them as towny.
KDZ - Me
To clarify the Shock/Kae/Cali tinfoil we had a torb claim and we had a kae claim, and we had cali target torb on N1. N2 The idea to make a second invincible town came about, and thus the plan was the leave torb open so Kae could nab it, and to adren kae. This left both kae and torb open to attack. Torb tried to WiFoM but it failed, and kae claims to have gotten adrend and shrieker. I am not the first to mention that this process went a little clean for there to have been no mafia involved. Really, aside from Kae claiming to have gotten the shriker, and Cali claiming to have targeted kae, we dont have confirmation. Hell, cali could even be a towny and going along with the plan and not know it, because an anubis attempt by kae on n2 could have slipped in after the adren, only to be blocked n3.
This is why I was confused about serps plan on n3, I thought the plan was to prove kae WAS still targetable, so we could determine if they were able to toggle their immortality.
Were in a rush to find some stability after robs death, but I strongly believe we wont find it in kae.
Again I'm not even sure if this is anything beyond tinfoil, but its my working theory of whats going on. Beyond this, I dont really see a shock team anywhere, even if we do flip shock and theyre mafia.
Post by: andretimpa on June 07, 2020, 10:14:10 pm
I'll take a closer look at shock's posts and make my case.
Post by: Submachine on June 08, 2020, 06:10:49 pm
Dead thread dead town.No joke.
We know almost everyone's roles now, so we can try to formulate a plan.
It is better to get over with using Otyugh. If we misuse it now, we still have room to wiggle. If we misuse it tomorrow, (or let it be misused tomorrow,) it's game over. But if Annele eats a mafia tonight, we pretty much confirm her. So it's a wiggle-or-win scenario tonight.
Annele: Shock and timpa contains 1 or 2 mafia. Pick someone who you scumread more.
Ge0metry v1.2 [Ghost of the Past]: Geo should target shock, because shock's ability is either useless (Psion) or he is mafia (Fate Egg).
shockcannon [Psion / Fate Egg]: If shock really is Psion, his only unchecked target is andretimpa.
Calindu [Green Nymph]: It has zero effect on anything, but you can give green to kdz or MW. As a token gift.
killsdazombies [Vulture]: It's better if you don't tell us who you target, just in case your target would decide to become immaterial.
kaempfer13 [Shrieker]: Kae should unburrow tonight.
andretimpa [Phoenix / Anubis]: You should not be able to target anyone.
Submachine / MasterWalks [Dragonfly]: And the Dragonflies can check both kaempfer and andretimpa. We would finally get a second opinion of kaempfer's immortality (in case it is still a question whether he is Anubis or not), and we would also make sure a Phoenix doesn't suddenly use an ability. MW, if you agree, who do you want to target from the two?
I'm just trying to narrow down our anubis here, and especially if shock flips mafia, you should be examined. What better cover for an anubis then an adren'd shrieker ya know?
This line of thinking leaves us with a Shock/Kae/Cali team, which while I'm not confident in, is a line I think has merit. I'm going to take some time to think on this, but it would make sense for a mafia shock to throw in a teammate into his kill list for when he inevitably gets caught.
To assume that kaempfer is an Anubis, the following conditions must be true:
- Kaempfer is mafia, otherwise he wouldn't claim Crusader.
- Shockcannon is mafia, because he claimed Kae was a Crusader on Night 0.
- Kaempfer did not use his ability on Night 0, as seen by MasterWalks.
- Kaempfer targeted serprex on Night 1. That is when serprex became immaterial.
- When kaempfer claimed Crusader on Day 2, he had to expect TorB to unburrow for him, otherwise he would have been busted very easily.
- Kaempfer targeted TorB on Night 2, because I saw it happen.
- Calindu is mafia, because Kaempfer used Anubis twice in a row.
- Calindu had to target Kaempfer on Night 1 or Night 2.
- TorB confirmed that he received Adrenaline on Night 1, so Cal could only target Kae on Night 2.
- On Night 3, Calindu's claim of kaempfer being immaterial is null, because they are both mafia.
It is a possibility, but only if things went exactly like I listed above. If any of the three is town, Kae cannot be Anubis. There are much simpler worlds where timpa or shock is the Anubis.
Post by: andretimpa on June 08, 2020, 06:45:54 pm
Given what happened, I think the only way shock could still be town (stating from the point of view that I'm town) is this
I forgot to mention, that it is possible that some of the players with revealed roles are fate egg also and could be anubis as much as rob. I really don't think that's the case though, but I can always use my psion role to check if someone's role has changed.
I'll come back later to this, but I believe we have already cleared up all the possibilities here (correct me if I'm wrong). If we go purely by logic, there must be at least one mafia between me and shock.
Why a w/w world makes no sense
First, what would be the motivation for a w/w crazy plan like that? I can only think of one (sane) possibility: The idea that if one of us flips wolf, this automatically clears the other. Now I think that town is smarter than that, but to anyone that is skeptical, Annele can solve this for us tonight. If she eats one of us and the eaten one flips wolf, we can afford one more ML. So if you really want, you guys can satisfy your paranoia lynching the other one, without losing the game.
I also argued to rob that the timing (and content) of my crumbing would have been really bad in a w/w scenario
@rob
About the D3 voting, that's what just popping in sporadically in the thread looks like.
About the tidbit, note that shock's post was 7 hours after mine, are you seriously suggesting mafia would make a plan this loud, on such short notice, while forgetting these details? (I know, WIFOM).
Also, look closer at that paragraph, the bit about you wasn't the main purpose of it. (I can spell it out tomorrow if you want)
@rob
This is where I crumbed my role (note that I left N1 uncapitalized)@kaemp
At last some activity in this thread. Sorry for just being over there, this has been very low on my priorities these last days. Here's a detail you forgot: since rob targeted serp in n1 he could also have been the anubis.
I didn't target serp because I can't target anyone, I'm a phoenix. Also note that this was made before shock's wall of text, so the only world where this was made preemptively is one where we are w/w, which I already argued against in my previous post.
The way I see it there is 1 mafia between you and shock (echoing everyone, but that's just POE)
Also note that shock was hinting at his phase 3 since D3
Is it time to unleash phase 3 of my master plan?
It's getting awfully close to phase 3 of shock's master plan. Stay tuned.
If we were mafia buddies there would have been talk about this in chat and I would have at least changed the content of the crumbs (instead of something that can be read as shade at rob). My point here is that this is not what coordinated action looks like (specially if you believe the motivation I presented for this play existing in a w/w scenario).
Why the way Anubis has been used points to a Fate Egg
Put yourselves on the shoes of a mafia Anubis, what is your optimal strategy? I'll let torb answer this one
I also just noticed something seriously messed up about serprex getting targeted by a mafia Anubis (if this is indeed the case), but I'd rather not inform mafia about that for now. Seems like whomever planned this out isn't as insightful as me.
Whatever.
Anubis takes priority over Guardian Angel, so using it at the same night and target as the nightkill would have rendered the target unable to reveal being targeted by Anubis, while still being immune to healing.
I believe that if you were assigned to this role, you'd have figured that out rather quickly. Your optimal strategy would also involve using this as often as possible, so using it in NK at N0, N2, etc and we'd still be none the wiser (unless a GA came ahead about it)
Now put yourselves on the shoes of mafia FE that rolls Anubis in N1. In an ordinary situation I'd say the optimal play is to just combo it with the NK. However, we had just had our deja-vus revealed, so mafia suddenly has to deal with 2 soon to be confirmed townies. I think sending the NK against the less high-profile of the 2 vus while using Anubis to secure the NK in the second later on was the way mafia found to kill two birds with one stone.
Who could be a Fate Egg
Based entirely on what we have revealed to us
Annele - Regardless of whether or not she is FE, she couldn't have been the one to target serp unless DC lied to us
fuckit, sure. I'll claim.
Flayer N0 No one, N1/N2 Annele.
I told you it's worthless.
Only reason why I held back is because I know my role is better used in scum hands, and my paranoid ass don't want no mafia crusaders stealing that role.
kaempfer13 - The whole way the N2 plan worked out makes this impossible, barring Cal/kaemp/shock being the remaining mafia, which is next level tinfoil imo.
Calindu - He used adrenaline in torb in N1 iirc. Regardless, he used adrenaline twice, which is very unlikely for an egg.
Submachine - With the amount of crumbs he revealed about his actions in all nights, I'm fairly confident he's dragonfly.
MasterWalks - He was very public about the results of his role and was never challenged. 100% dragonfly.
andretimpa - You'll have to believe me that I would have made at least something else noticeable with my role if I were a FE (if you put the tinfoil and say I'm the egg Anubis).
shockcannon - The only part of his claim that is verifiable is the N2 psion, which is consistent with him being an egg.
killsdazombies - This would require some high quality theater with ian (MW could have just been a catalyst if you read the thread carefully). Still if this was the plan and kdz was FE in N1, the plan in D3 backfired (due to MW), since it would make more sense for kdz to have been lynched in D3 (lynching kdz would have rid mafia of the Anubis POE, while lynching ian would make kdz suspicious if he's not nightkilled this night) - I find this scenario too risky as a mafia play and highly unlikely. This should only be considered if kdz lives through the night.
Ge0metry v1.2 - He claimed GotP in D3. If you believe shock, he was still GotP in N3, which is unlikely for an egg. So if Ge0 is the egg we are looking for, he and shock are w/w.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 08, 2020, 06:48:30 pm
Calindu is mafia, because Kaempfer used Anubis twice in a row.
I must have just had my blinders on, kae would have had to trust that he would get adren for it to work, and while the town was 100% on board with it it seems, (aside from torb) It could have easily went south. They did have some relative safety in that they would have had the psion on their mafia team, so its unlikely another one existed.
As for this "Submachine / MasterWalks [Dragonfly]: And the Dragonflies can check both kaempfer and andretimpa. We would finally get a second opinion of kaempfer's immortality (in case it is still a question whether he is Anubis or not), and we would also make sure a Phoenix doesn't suddenly use an ability. MW, if you agree, who do you want to target from the two?"
That doesn't check kaes immortality. Kae would have to unburrow for a target to be successful if he was a shrieker, proving hes untargetable only proves that he is anubis or shrieker, which is where were at right now.
And while I agree there are much simpler worlds where shock or timpa flips, I'm trying to prepare for the future that I am not a part of. I don't want Kae to get lumped into a town grouping because shock said they were scum. That would be the easiest bait in the world.
Yes I agree, the thread is dying out. I was hoping to post more, but theres no back and forth and I haven't been feeling super great lately.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 08, 2020, 06:49:05 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 08, 2020, 07:26:39 pm
As for this "Submachine / MasterWalks [Dragonfly]: And the Dragonflies can check both kaempfer and andretimpa. We would finally get a second opinion of kaempfer's immortality (in case it is still a question whether he is Anubis or not), and we would also make sure a Phoenix doesn't suddenly use an ability. MW, if you agree, who do you want to target from the two?"That's why I asked him to unburrow tonight. Then Dragonfly would not only succeed, but it would retrospectively see Unburrow happen.
That doesn't check kaes immortality. Kae would have to unburrow for a target to be successful if he was a shrieker, proving hes untargetable only proves that he is anubis or shrieker, which is where were at right now.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 08, 2020, 07:42:06 pm
As for this "Submachine / MasterWalks [Dragonfly]: And the Dragonflies can check both kaempfer and andretimpa. We would finally get a second opinion of kaempfer's immortality (in case it is still a question whether he is Anubis or not), and we would also make sure a Phoenix doesn't suddenly use an ability. MW, if you agree, who do you want to target from the two?"That's why I asked him to unburrow tonight. Then Dragonfly would not only succeed, but it would retrospectively see Unburrow happen.
That doesn't check kaes immortality. Kae would have to unburrow for a target to be successful if he was a shrieker, proving hes untargetable only proves that he is anubis or shrieker, which is where were at right now.
I guess if there was ever a night to check it would be tonight given there is a pretty conf town in MW and a maybe conf town in me (Pls GN). But there is still risk obviously.
Also, I didnt realize dragonfly could see the unburrow action. Its sorta a moot point here but, still interesting none the less.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 08, 2020, 07:58:19 pm
The way shock presented his case and his absolute silence today outs both him and timpa. now was it a stupid plan? Absolutely. But, town shock would have no qualms pointing out that he likely must have been wrong about timpa after rob flip, same thing applies to scum!shock on a town timpa. the only reason he would hold back is if andre is in fact his scumbuddy and thus just keels over to die for andre to hopefully (for them) to slip through the cracks. there is no way that shock that hasnt completely given up still hasnt posted at this stage yet, he was online since and also around deadline.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 08, 2020, 08:00:50 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 08, 2020, 08:07:59 pm
GIven sub already laid out for me just how convuluted me being Anubis would be under these circumstances, i would like to avoid unburrowing unless you guys really deem it necessary.
Post by: Submachine on June 08, 2020, 08:09:00 pm
Also, I didnt realize dragonfly could see the unburrow action. Its sorta a moot point here but, still interesting none the less.Now that I read it again, I may be wrong. Unburrow has to be targeting for Dragonfly to see. But we would not get notified with ability failure if kae becomes corporeal.
Post by: Submachine on June 08, 2020, 08:13:14 pm
Quite frankly I'm not fond of sharing TorB's fate. I now know how he felt and I'm sorry i made it happen (indirectly). I just had vietnam flashbacks when he went "psych, i can vote after all", as my first game has left a lasting impression on me. Same reason i wrongly defended timpa Day1, I'm not used to the LHF to be chosen as the lynch on day1 to actually be scum and none of his teammates doing anything about it until its almost to late, so i assumed by sheer virtue of him leading the votes for so long that he was the wrong guy.I agree checking you is barely worth the squeeze. But I would not be too worried about you getting nightkilled, partly because of how sus some people think you are. Mafia would do town a favor of narrowing the PoE.
GIven sub already laid out for me just how convuluted me being Anubis would be under these circumstances, i would like to avoid unburrowing unless you guys really deem it necessary.
Plus, imagine all the towncred you would get if you got nightkilled over a specific other role we have. :]
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 08, 2020, 08:36:10 pm
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Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Well, this was just sad, but it vastly deepens my scumreads, which have been mere PoE the night before, but now shock outted himself and timpa.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 08, 2020, 08:39:56 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Post by: Submachine on June 08, 2020, 08:45:53 pm
Jokes aside, I don't see a reason why town!kae would not unburrow tonight, other than hiding his identity. You would only need to survive this night, then you can immediately burrow next night. And if you get nightkilled (which I understand would not be ideal for a town!kae) for the hopes of getting rid of an unkillable town, then we either confirm 1 town or 1 mafia. Plus, it would help a lot with the PoE. But the plan might not happen if MW has different ideas, because then I would need to target timpa if noone else does. (It not only watches suspicious activity, but I would also monitor if shock/Annele targets him.)Quite frankly I'm not fond of sharing TorB's fate. I now know how he felt and I'm sorry i made it happen (indirectly). I just had vietnam flashbacks when he went "psych, i can vote after all", as my first game has left a lasting impression on me. Same reason i wrongly defended timpa Day1, I'm not used to the LHF to be chosen as the lynch on day1 to actually be scum and none of his teammates doing anything about it until its almost to late, so i assumed by sheer virtue of him leading the votes for so long that he was the wrong guy.I agree checking you is barely worth the squeeze. But I would not be too worried about you getting nightkilled, partly because of how sus some people think you are. Mafia would do town a favor of narrowing the PoE.
GIven sub already laid out for me just how convuluted me being Anubis would be under these circumstances, i would like to avoid unburrowing unless you guys really deem it necessary.
Plus, imagine all the towncred you would get if you got nightkilled over a specific other role we have. :]
I tinfoil that you could also be mafia, in which case you should not worry about being nightkilled.
Post by: Submachine on June 08, 2020, 08:48:32 pm
Naturally, my kaevision hasnt changed, just incresed in intensity. I townread everyone outside the scumteam, just too lazy to make them all limegreen. ask me about any read you want.But let it be said, I appreciate the effort put into this, as I was about to ask for a recolored version of where andre/shock are mafia.
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on AnneleAnnele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpaGe0metry v1.2 (1) kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, Killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
@everyone: Do you agree with using Otyugh tonight? And who do you think should be the target between shock/andre?
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 08, 2020, 08:51:44 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 04:00:16 am
Post by: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 07:00:27 am
I would prefer if someone checked on kae, but thats still an evolving plan, its sorta up to kae to decide if they want to unburrow to begin with, but oh well. From my perspective it would make sense to, given there is a reasonably conf town MW, and a sorta conf town KDZ, and frankly, killing kae would make things easier to PoE. I don't see them being the target to hit, but hey, who knows.
As for the other target, I don't really think it matters. Its not like dragonfly can pick up the nightkill anyway, so all that can really be done is check if people are lying. Namely, Timpa, Cali, and geo. Those people should also announce their targets if any, though were probably just playing a Vanilla mafia game at this point.
I am desperately tired and going to bed. I'll do a read list as the clock strikes midnight so to speak.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 07:02:25 am
Post by: Submachine on June 09, 2020, 08:28:10 am
Actually the other should check on annele. Just in case Shock roles a protection/blocking role and tries to bring annele down with them.I'm slowly giving up on checking kaempfer, so I might check Annele then.
@Oa: If Annele's devour fails, what do I see?
Post by: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 08:42:23 am
Post by: PlayerOa on June 09, 2020, 09:31:03 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 01:54:12 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 09, 2020, 03:01:33 pm
I think Annele should eat shock today, but that's about it.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 04:49:08 pm
Just had to submit my exams today, so had no time to look hard over things. Direct me if you want me to look at something in particular.
I think Annele should eat shock today, but that's about it.
Congrats mate! Its been a slow night, and I doubt there is much for you to look over here. Just rest and wait for EoD. Again, congrats ^^
Post by: shockcannon on June 09, 2020, 05:59:45 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 06:59:33 pm
After that gather the information we can, MW is the only conf town so they should be up to die next. Sorry mate, rip in peace
Our player list will probably look like this
Annele
kaempfer13
Calindu
Submachine
MasterWalks
andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2
and be 2v5 assuming annele eats shock. Should for some reason shock flip town it'll be 3v4 and its probably over. In that case I'd probably just let MW pick a name out of a hat and go with it. What else do we got really?
But, the rest of this post will deal with 2v5
Annele/Geo - Post more. If you are town you absolutely need to
Cali - I would like your opinion and reads, especially on kae who is now a central issue
MW - Is the conf town. Just listen to what they say, at least you can trust it is from town ground. If they are wolf well, gj mate you got me.
Sub - Seems to be making town plays, and talked me off a tinfoil ledge. Townish imo. If kae W flips though, it worth a revisit
Kae - Is tied together with shock. I don't see a reason for shock to do this aside to save a buddy, it was risky as hell. I'd still yield to Mws opinion tomorrow, but I think they are probably up to die.
Timpa - Made a case for Timpa/Shock to be not W/W. Unsure how to approach timpa at this point frankly.
I think it would be wise if everyone spoke openly about their suspicions. Were at the stage where being vocal will decide the game. Kaes lynch log (Though, not their kae vision posts) is an invaluable tool in looking at patterns. Use it, and try and draw some conclusions.
I think too much is going to change for me to give a mafia team that provides any value, but i'll say I'm highly suspicious of geo, who has been skating by pretty easy, however unlike annele shock didn't try to buddy buddy them. Also, Kae, again because of their link to shock at the very very start of the game. Shock could have made a gambit to bail out their buddy, or to get a town around that will back them up.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 09, 2020, 07:04:18 pm
Day 5
The faces of kdz and shockcannon turned purple. What rhymes with purple?
killsdazombies was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Vulture [Golden Nymph].
shockcannon was devoured by Annele. He was an Elemental and a Psion.
Day 5 has ended.
Post by: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 07:06:16 pm
Good night.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 07:08:14 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 07:10:46 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 09, 2020, 07:10:53 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 09, 2020, 07:11:37 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 07:26:23 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 07:27:39 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 09, 2020, 09:17:00 pm
Submachine / MasterWalks [Dragonfly]: And the Dragonflies can check both kaempfer and andretimpa. We would finally get a second opinion of kaempfer's immortality (in case it is still a question whether he is Anubis or not), and we would also make sure a Phoenix doesn't suddenly use an ability. MW, if you agree, who do you want to target from the two?
why didnt you follow your own plan?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 09, 2020, 09:20:20 pm
you eating a town like instructed does not make you look more town fyi.
@kaempfer
Im stuck in the past. when you are going to explain your crappy vulture plan?
@andretimpa
your mafia
@calindu
I havent paid any attention to you so i have nothing to say to you. probably scum
@Ge0
I havent paid any attention to you so i have nothing to say to you. probably scum
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 09:49:27 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 09:51:33 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 09:55:48 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2020, 09:57:48 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 09, 2020, 10:40:50 pm
Oh, well doesnt exactly reduce timpas scumequity, but everything else I have to rework
@andretimpa
your mafia
rude
Post by: Submachine on June 10, 2020, 07:25:55 am
killsdazombies was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Vulture [Golden Nymph].This does not help my morning mood.
shockcannon was devoured by Annele. He was an Elemental and a Psion.
Submachine / MasterWalks [Dragonfly]: And the Dragonflies can check both kaempfer and andretimpa. We would finally get a second opinion of kaempfer's immortality (in case it is still a question whether he is Anubis or not), and we would also make sure a Phoenix doesn't suddenly use an ability. MW, if you agree, who do you want to target from the two?why didnt you follow your own plan?
I did not know who you would target, and I got this advice from kdz. It turns out, we targeted the same person again.Actually the other should check on annele. Just in case Shock roles a protection/blocking role and tries to bring annele down with them.I'm slowly giving up on checking kaempfer, so I might check Annele then.
I will come back later today to analyze the situation.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 10, 2020, 08:58:01 pm
Lets lynch annele. Best bet for hitting a mafia and it eliminates oty risk.
annele (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on June 11, 2020, 02:48:08 am
Scum imo:
Annele
Calindu
andre
Are we lynch or lose?
Lets lynch annele. Best bet for hitting a mafia and it eliminates oty risk.
annele (1) - MasterWalks
Oty is a one time use I thought? Still, I'm ok with this lynch.
annele (2) - MasterWalks, Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: Annele on June 11, 2020, 04:28:07 am
Annele (2) - MasterWalks, Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (1) - Annele
Post by: Submachine on June 11, 2020, 06:12:23 am
But here is the thing.
4. Annele: Cannot be the Anubis, because we saw Otyugh happening. Shock also confirmed she was Otyugh a previous time.
5. kaempfer13: If shock is town, Kae cannot be Anubis. I explained earlier why.
6. Calindu: Cannot be the Anubis, because he used Adrenaline two times in a row.
9. Submachine: I am Dragonfly.
11. MasterWalks: Cannot be the Anubis, because he reported accurate Dragonfly results on multiple days.
12. andretimpa:
18. Ge0metry v1.2: Cannot be the Anubis, because shock saw he was Ghost.
I go out on a limb to say that none of these people are Fate Eggs.
This leaves us with only one person who can be the Anubis.
Annele (2) - MasterWalks, Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (2) - Annele, Submachine
I know kdz said to follow MW's lead, but I believe we have a bigger fish on our hook now than kae or Annele.
Hypothetical mafia team: ian, andretimpa, and 2 of [kaempfer, Geo, Calindu].
I will try to check back before EOD.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 11, 2020, 06:53:43 am
andretimpa (3) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 07:23:31 am
andretimpa (4) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
Interesting that noone wanted to bus according to my world. Probably because they just need one missvote and mw continued being stupid
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 10:37:17 am
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 10:44:18 am
Proven by shock:
myself: crusader who didnt use his ability; insanely stupid if fe
Annele: viewed as otyugh and used that ability in a different night
Ge0: claimed Gotp and was found to still be gotp on the following night
Others:
Calindu: used adrenaline twice in a row on shriekers (technically someone else could have done the adrenalining, but I'm sure they would have cced)
MW: I dont think i neeed to get into that.
Sub: fully aware of crossing streams with other dragonflies and breadcrumped his role; I havent looked into it deeply enough to fully disprove egg, but cmon people it was andre that used anubis on serp.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 10:46:42 am
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Post by: Calindu on June 11, 2020, 01:40:27 pm
Congrats mate! Its been a slow night, and I doubt there is much for you to look over here. Just rest and wait for EoD. Again, congrats ^^
Thank you, really appreciate it.
Cali - I would like your opinion and reads, especially on kae who is now a central issue
MW is technically the only person I trust, and andre is the only person I scumread because of mechanics, all others are 50/50 on being mafia/town in my eyes.
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (5) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, Calindu
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 02:00:11 pm
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
This is the relevant part about Annele on EoD1. The chances of Annele being selected as a bus when timpa was already in danger, and Linkcats wagon was completely pure unless annele was scum are astronomically low. 2+scum tried to kill her at EoD1 and the messages of timpa and ian at EoD imply "hey, another wagon we can cause a misslynch on, with rob giving us the perfect excuse to not look scummy while doing so" more so than "shit they got us, let's just bus as hard as possible".
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 02:01:31 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 02:03:05 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 02:04:14 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 02:16:04 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 02:24:44 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 02:27:27 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 11, 2020, 04:19:08 pm
rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.Here, all people he listed are known to be town except Annele. Ian wasn't the only one pushing her. This makes me feel stronger about Annele being town.
Same point as before.Does that mean you don't think Link is scum?I'd rather lynch Anelle tbh
In a vacuum these look either like kaemp is scum and is slipping in some parts or he's town and needs to learn to be a bit more discrete. (around n-). However together with the EOD it makes him my strongest scum lean.This post makes kae look better. Andre was apparently scumreading him, plus it was quite a lengthy wall he made of him. (I only copied his conclusion.)
I'll be doing Anelle tomorrow (should be quicker at least).
And after this post, he proceeded to vote on kae, making his train 5v3, interestingly, in Annele's favor.
And here is his condensed readlist:
Okay, I'm caught up - here is my read list so far
v
MWI'm having an aneurism trying to understand how someone backed by a team would be making these types of mistakes. I was scumreading him before, but for now I'm more convinced that he's just an incompetent townie :sillyspin: (can very easily change depending on how people flip)
n+
Ge0I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt about being new, but I expect more content on the next days, or he'll be going down in the list. What he has post so far has been on the neutral side
ian/kdz/DCNot enough content to get a read. This better change soon.
SubI really don't understand his style so far, but apparently that's his normal. Will have to try to get a read of him out of votes I guess
CalThis is just an association read with torb. Apart from the Green Nymph stuff he hasn't posted much (which makes sense in retrospect as keeping low due to his role + IRL work)
AnneleAfter rereading her D1 stuff and the rest of the things she posted I think I might have been a bit hasty with my previous scum read. The most damning avidence against her is the way EOD1 developped (which I admit I don't know how to make a good read of). So I'm moving her from w to n- until more evidence shows up.
w
kaempSee my previous post
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarianWhen the two leading wagons became Link and Calindu, Linkcat and rob yelled at him that kae is town. As a result, andre removed his vote from Kae, claiming to place it on Calindu or Annele (Annele was not even a top wagon??). Annele was not even on the plate, and one of the two people voting on her was his mafia buddy. Eventually, he put his vote on Calindu.
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
removing my vote for now - shaking between Cal and Nel
If Calindu and timpa are both mafia, this would be a weird parellel between ian wanting to lynch timpa on EOD1 and this. I find the sudden focus on Annele strange. And switching his vote off from his only "scumread" was weird too. I take it back that it makes kae look good, it could have been some verbal bussing. But it does make Annele look a lot better.
Post by: andretimpa on June 11, 2020, 04:54:32 pm
@andretimpa
If you are town Anubis and you mistakenly gave serprex immortality you need to speak up right now. Regardless you need to claim because if you're not Anubis we pretty much found our mafia in rob.
Is it too late for that?
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on June 11, 2020, 05:24:03 pm
andretimpa (6) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, Calindu, Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: andretimpa on June 11, 2020, 05:36:51 pm
andretimpa (7) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, Calindu, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
this timpa guy looks kinda sus
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 06:19:29 pm
I know this gives zero town cred butWell, on the offchance you're town it would be a huge mistake not to vote the outed scum, as scum can just outvote us if any of us is wrong and not around at deadline to correct their mistake.
andretimpa (6) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, Calindu, Ge0metry v1.2
Post by: Submachine on June 11, 2020, 06:25:02 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 11, 2020, 06:31:53 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/C6jRct4.png)
Post by: andretimpa on June 11, 2020, 06:38:01 pm
Care to post some memes like ian did?
No, have a bunchie instead
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/50d4680ad98d4b07c9f928ae07080b3c/83d10fe5e2249b4f-85/s540x810/2b65783108fc9bff039347d7b373f2fc2cbf29d3.gif)
Post by: andretimpa on June 11, 2020, 06:39:37 pm
I know this gives zero town cred butWell, on the offchance you're town it would be a huge mistake not to vote the outed scum, as scum can just outvote us if any of us is wrong and not around at deadline to correct their mistake.
andretimpa (6) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, Calindu, Ge0metry v1.2
Teaching the correct bus technique, atta-boy ;D
Post by: andretimpa on June 11, 2020, 06:49:52 pm
You guys are all scum, Oa is running a bastard.
don't @ me
Post by: PlayerOa on June 11, 2020, 07:00:22 pm
Night 5
All the remaining faces were filled with fright, as they entered another goddamn night.
andretimpa was lynched. He was an False God and an Anubis.
Night 5 has ended.
Post by: andretimpa on June 11, 2020, 07:01:18 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 07:07:24 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 07:09:09 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 11, 2020, 07:19:25 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 11, 2020, 07:30:29 pm
hot take: all living elementals voted for andretimpaOk, that one was funny.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 12, 2020, 04:45:03 pm
I could see that. Link was not an option for timpa due to Day1, i was off the table since shock "confirmed" me and thus if andre didnt want to vote offwagon he'd have to hope for annele to pick up steam as quickly as she did at EoD1 or vote calindu in order to not look sus himself.Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarianWhen the two leading wagons became Link and Calindu, Linkcat and rob yelled at him that kae is town. As a result, andre removed his vote from Kae, claiming to place it on Calindu or Annele (Annele was not even a top wagon??). Annele was not even on the plate, and one of the two people voting on her was his mafia buddy. Eventually, he put his vote on Calindu.
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
removing my vote for now - shaking between Cal and Nel
If Calindu and timpa are both mafia, this would be a weird parellel between ian wanting to lynch timpa on EOD1 and this. I find the sudden focus on Annele strange. And switching his vote off from his only "scumread" was weird too. I take it back that it makes kae look good, it could have been some verbal bussing. But it does make Annele look a lot better.
Post by: Submachine on June 13, 2020, 06:55:58 pm
| Player | Could be Town | Could be Mafia |
| Annele | She has been pushed hard by both ian and andretimpa. She was the first to point out that timpa should be lynched. | She has the least amount of posts, so it's hard to put a read on her. She had the perfect excuse to devour Town if Town instructed her to do so. |
| kaempfer13 | He came up with bad plans mid-game, solves often, was confused multiple times. These are townie traits. | He hid behind a bubble this entire game, preventing him from getting checked. The one time he was about to be checked, he was reluctant to open up. He no longer seems to be in panic, even though Town is on the ropes now more than ever. Shock said Kae behaved exactly like scum!Kae would when he fake-confirmed him. |
| Calindu | Well, looks like I'm going to be lynched, please go after rob and Link after. That Toadfish makes so much sense as mafia, since they need to end the game before people stop trusting them.This is his towniest post. Mafia would not say to look more into two other towns (in hindsight we know), because if he really does flip mafia, those accusations will lose meaning. Timpa broke a tie between him and Linkcat by voting on Calindu. | Linkcat's final scumread was Calindu and said he outted himself. Anubis activating on Night 1 would make sense if Calindu gave Adrenaline to timpa. He did not post his full set of night actions yet. |
| MasterWalks | He is very open about plans. Makes blind guesses, which is a townie trait. He took part in the revelation of ian. He sounds honest. | He randomly votes on people at times without giving much explanation. He also seems to be more organized in this game than previously. |
| Ge0metry v1.2 | It is possible that he is just inactive town, but that's it. | He has the second least amount of posts, so it's hard to put a read on him. He randomly votes on people at times without giving much explanation, but implying he has a good feeling about it. He did not post his full set of night actions yet. He showed the least effort of solving so far. |
Post by: PlayerOa on June 13, 2020, 07:02:59 pm
Day 6
I heard rumors night rhymes with smite.
Annele was nightkilled. She was an Elemental and an Otyugh.
Day 6 has ended.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 13, 2020, 07:08:22 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 13, 2020, 07:09:25 pm
BeCaUsE VuLtUrE PlAn
Post by: MasterWalks on June 13, 2020, 07:27:44 pm
shock was claiming kae to be town. We know that shock did not 100% know this as he was not GN. Kae actually turned on shock before shock was lynched and he turned on me even after defending him early game.
This kinda shows where this starts
Ok, I give up trying to parse this. the reason I'm being so cryptic is because I don't want more roles to be revealed (you pretty much revealed what your role does, so no use trying to hide it now (I'm by no means encouraging a full claim)) and one of the following things happened:I hope this means you understand?MW, there is a chance shock didnt target me after all
ok. I didnt think i implied he did. im just comfortable believing his townreads atm.
Nope. Dont understand. Dont know what im supposed to be trying to understand.
I thought the speed of my role was different. I double chekced, asked a question, and now i understand it. I falsely made a pretty hard claim earlier in my reads regarding you and shock. Now that i know my roles speed, i explained honestly and back peddled on my claims as shown here:My flip on shock and kae is a result of me rereading roles and which ones are faster. In fact, after getting a mod question answered, my town read on shock has lessened and my town read on kaempf has improved.
Now im not GN obv so im not 100% sure you are town, and frankly, your short cryptic messages and role reading me are making me feel less confident about my read on you.
- I missunderstood shock
- You missunderstood your role (tbf you pretty much admit to that)
- You missunderstood shocks role
He tried to get me to claim early.
Im just trying to give some stuff for people to work with, and im fairly certain my soft claim could be interpreted into like 3 very different roles. If serp is being truthful, then i have 5 confirmed town which puts me in quite a good position. If i die and my role is revealed, i want at least some good information to be passed on.I've reread the op 4 times and arrive at the conclusion that there is a grand total of 1 type of (not confirmed dead) town roles that would allow you to mechanically discern shocks alignement while simultaneously not knowing but believing serps claim to be true on n1 .
Ugh, this whole thing is a trainwreck again. Nvm me saying that this could turn out to be easy earlier.
Kaempfer is actually laying pretty low. He is smart enough to make the anubis plan
Little note on Andre lynch. Kae was active since first vote was placed. He did not hop on Andre train until the wagon really started gaining movement. Kaempfer is all about vote patterns and im sure hes making sure his look good. I will note he did say he scum read andre but thats not something unusual for mafia to do.
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (4) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
Interesting that noone wanted to bus according to my world. Probably because they just need one missvote and mw continued being stupid
Last thing i want to bring up, i have voted on kaempfer first for the last 2 lynches. He blows me off as stupid. Thats fine. But i really think he is trying to illegitimate any argument i could make against him.
I could say more but he has over 200 posts on this thread and im not about to spend 4 hours on a post like sub
Post by: Submachine on June 13, 2020, 07:33:59 pm
It is currently 3v2. Let's discuss this tomorrow.
I could say more but he has over 200 posts on this thread and im not about to spend 4 hours on a post like subIt has merit to look into everything you can think of, so if you vaguely remember something but cannot find it, tell me when it happened and I will try to find it.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 07:41:12 pm
I only have time for a gross oversimplifikation right now, but the fact that you say im laying low and at the same time that I have too many posts for you to evaluate them kinda says it all
Post by: MasterWalks on June 13, 2020, 07:50:18 pm
Yh, this is probably why you are still alive. Extremely high chance you missvote, because you get hung up on the wrong things.
I only have time for a gross oversimplifikation right now, but the fact that you say im laying low and at the same time that I have too many posts for you to evaluate them kinda says it all
Ah you can spam shitposts and still lay low. If you are only posting safe reads and lynchlogs then yea you are laying low.
But that part is pretty much the least important part.
Is that why you and your team let me live and decided to toy with us by NKing our highest probable lynch?
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 07:51:20 pm
Ge0(1) kaempfer13
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 07:52:39 pm
Kaempfer13 (1) MasterWalks
Ge0(1) kaempfer13
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 08:01:04 pm
Sub and i were tring annele, so the only way for scum to keep you alive without narrowing the poe of living town further was dor scum to kill Annele. Its not really surprising with how jumpy you've beenYh, this is probably why you are still alive. Extremely high chance you missvote, because you get hung up on the wrong things.
I only have time for a gross oversimplifikation right now, but the fact that you say im laying low and at the same time that I have too many posts for you to evaluate them kinda says it all
Ah you can spam shitposts and still lay low. If you are only posting safe reads and lynchlogs then yea you are laying low.
But that part is pretty much the least important part.
Is that why you and your team let me live and decided to toy with us by NKing our highest probable lynch?
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 08:02:38 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 08:10:28 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 08:50:59 pm
kaempfer (1) - MasterWalksI will answer assuming this is not a joke.
BeCaUsE VuLtUrE PlAn
Again gn is a far better role than any other (impossible to becone egg without becoming vulture first), to the point that in mafia championships with random role distribution between scum and town, a single use cop(gn) that can use its ability only once on n3 is considered way better for town than the equivalent of your role useable every night.
Now considering i targeted TorB anyway the following night anyway, my plan was bad in hindsight, but I (wrongly) considered the probability TorB lying about his targetability status the following night low and when it turns out he did, I was reminded of ginyus anubis play in mafia 71
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 08:59:35 pm
When you said you have insight on shocks alignement there were 3 possibilities:
1. You were Fate egg and rolled gn
2. You were psion/ffq and saw fate egg shock roll an otherwise town only role like deja vu or gn.
3. Complete bogus that needs to be cleared up, as you were clearing people based on false information.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 09:01:02 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 09:06:03 pm
Now I learned later that serprex was just shock2.0 and wasnt actually connected via role to shock. At that point I had completely forgotten about option 3
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 09:12:10 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 09:15:52 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2020, 09:25:24 pm
Nothing much I can defend there.
Post by: Submachine on June 14, 2020, 09:57:35 am
This is when everyone should reveal everything, right now. It is a suspicious coincidence that Geo and Calindu are the only ones who did not report their full list of night actions yet. Updated readlists from everyone alive would also be welcome. And since we are so low on players now, also guess who you think is the final mafia team.
If we discuss all this, we might get to a conclusion as a team, instead of following our bloodlusts, which I am very wary of right now. (In worlds where any one of Kae or MW is mafia, they would want to be over with this, and they would aggressively force a mislynch instead of giving room for discussions. Kinda like what's happening right now.)
Share everything that you did for Town's good, your motivations behind your actions, your suspicions, anything.~
List of alive players:
5. kaempfer13
6. Calindu
9. Submachine
11. MasterWalks
18. Ge0metry v1.2
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I would really like to hear more from Geo and Calindu before I get to who I think the mafia team is. They are both on the less active side of happenings, and if even one of them is Town, it would be very easy for mafia to push a mislynch on one of them.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 14, 2020, 11:17:20 am
Now the thoughtprocess until I realized shock cant be dejavu would remain largely the same (even if its a bit weird that i would be eager to tr shock whom people will always be suspicious of). Now we arrive at the point where shock was either gn targetting me or mw completely missunderstood his role. Scum!me would know that it wasnt the former.
In order to get where I am now as scum, I must not have cared that shockcannon couldn't have gned me and tr'd me for it (considering he's town) and instead relied on his fpssyndrome in order to clear me. Obv the first thing I do is make it super obvious that I am not w/w with TorB/link and Calindu and instead of defending myself i completely rely on shocks fpsing, even though i have no control over him whatsoever.
Somehow this works (I kinda hate fpsing and this succeeding would be sth i would tell my yet to be conceived children about, but I get thats wifom).
I decide to drop my townread on shockcannon, before he did viceversa, simply because i want to misslynch him (yet prioritize pushing Ge0 and timpa who are (very likely to actually be) scum), in the knowledge that his flip would remove my confirmed status (sure he retracted his claim after the fact, but point is i dropped him before i could know that he would turn on me).
I cannot even begin to tell you how absurd i find all of this.
Post by: Submachine on June 14, 2020, 11:46:15 am
I decide to drop my townread on shockcannon, before he did viceversa, [...] in the knowledge that his flip would remove my confirmed statusThis is a good point. Can you point me to when this happened?
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 14, 2020, 11:58:55 am
tinfoil hat: If my reads are absolutely abyssmal scum!shock might have wanted me aliveFor reals now:
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on AnneleAnnele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - Killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
After some rethinking every other team just makes less sense. my cases on them arent particularly solid, but everyone else is townier or doesnt fit in with the remaining team.
Post by: Submachine on June 14, 2020, 12:13:25 pm
Yeah, that does give you some cred, though it was at Night 3, not long before shock revealed his master plan. If I lessen my tinfoil though, all I see is two townreads, and two mafia.
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Ge0 (1) - kaempfer13, Submachine
I cannot vote on both Geo and Calindu, but I would, just to pressure them into the discussion.
Post by: Submachine on June 14, 2020, 12:17:16 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 14, 2020, 06:44:58 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 14, 2020, 07:21:02 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 14, 2020, 07:41:10 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 14, 2020, 08:10:11 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 14, 2020, 10:26:10 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 15, 2020, 12:50:22 pm
Linkcat's final scumread was Calindu and said he outted himself.
Anubis activating on Night 1 would make sense if Calindu gave Adrenaline to timpa.
He did not post his full set of night actions yet.
Recap of the current state of the game and suggested Night actions:
serprex
moehrpi
rob77dp
Linkcat
Submachine
These 5 players are always town, don't lynch them even in late game unless something truly revelatory happens. Likely the next 5 Nightkills.
iancudorinmarian
andretimpa
These 2 players attempted to save me despite having a 100% free pass to see me lynched without suspicion. Very unlikely mafia, especially if Annele flips scum.
MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef
Ge0metry v1.2
These 3 players are 90% town, only consider them if sus people keep flipping town and you start running out of possible candidates, except Ge0 who can only be mafia if Annele flips town.
Annele
kaempfer13
shockcannon
These 3 players contain 1-2 mafia.
Calindu
killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals
The rest of the mafia are most likely hiding in here. If there's a deep wolf I'd say torb since he didn't actually have to commit to a vote.
This is Link's last readlist, why go off that so much this game, when it proved to not really be a good readlist? It makes no sense for you to keep bringing Link up so much, 90% of your attacks on me have been based on Link's stuff, especially that outing part.
Did anyone ever complain about their abilities getting blocked when they shouldn't be? I understand that if everyone uses their abilities starting N0, then Anubis shouldn't be available N1, but judging by the fact that ian was possible to be checked, maybe andre
only used Anubis on serp and serp only?
My actions are as follows:
N0: No action
N1: TorB
N2: Kae
N3: kdz
N4: No action (I honestly forgot here, I didn't believe it's that important to use an ability that would not do anything in our case really)
I'm not sure exactly who the mafia is, MW is the only one I kind of trust, if I were to rank players based on most towny - least towny, they would be like this
MW >>> Kae > Sub > Ge0
Something that's interesting though is that Ge0 got voted super early on, either mafia decided to bus him early on or mafia is forcing an early misslynch. I hope it's the first case, since we are losing anyway if he's town.
Ge0 (4) - kaempfer13, Submachine, MasterWalks, Calindu
Post by: Submachine on June 15, 2020, 03:24:39 pm
If we discuss all this, we might get to a conclusion as a team, instead of following our bloodlusts, which I am very wary of right now.Everyone except Geo was here to discuss it then, so I am less worried about bloodlust now.
Let's see what Geo flips, then continue from there. If he flips town, there is no point.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 15, 2020, 03:28:29 pm
Submachine voted and cased Ge0 while MW was still voting me, so it would be weird for him to choose to bus there as well.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 15, 2020, 07:00:11 pm
Night 6
As people were dying left and right, I was told it’s time for a new night.
Ge0metry v1.2 was lynched. He was a False God and a Ghost of the Past.
Night 6 has ended.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 15, 2020, 07:10:07 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 15, 2020, 07:31:14 pm
couldn't devote much time to this except from reading.It feels like late bussing, hoping that maybe things go better for Geo. Especially how he tries to poke suspicion at those who voted early.
[...]
Something that's interesting though is that Ge0 got voted super early on, either mafia decided to bus him early on or mafia is forcing an early misslynch.
Ge0 (4) - kaempfer13, Submachine, MasterWalks, Calindu
I also saw Cal online a few times yesterday, as he confirms reading the topic, but he hasn't come in to place a vote.
@Calindu: I do concede that Link's final readlist was abysmal, so I remove that part from the available cases against you. But I still believe that one of you or Kae has to be mafia (because wagonomics), and Kae has been tunneling Geo hard for a long time now. Kae has also been solving more, so there's that too. Also, if it's not you and not Kae, then it's MW, in which case we should forget about winning anyway, because noone will vote on him.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 15, 2020, 07:42:02 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 15, 2020, 08:49:43 pm
God i wish i was mafia this game. I would be doing great as mafia, and pretty shitty as town.It would work out perfectly for you. You could vote up confirmed town, and we would call you towny for it. (Sort of.)
It reminds me one of serprex's posts:
No past experience, but...
It depends on the roles. For the sake of argument we'll say me & one of my allies both rolled Oty. Yeah, great scum roles, this is great, not to mention it gets better when we troll worldwideqq & he flips GN. So next I risk MK to fake claim deja with my fellow oty. What if there's real dejas you ask? YOLO. As confirmed town I'm free to play scummy under the guise of pressuring town. So I'd totally fluster one of the better players around to keep him annoyed that town is throwing the game. Meanwhile I'd ally with the craziest player in the group in order to make people have to risk brain damage from confirmed town telling them to play with this player. Also it'd mean I'd have a perfect reason to bandwagon on the towniest players, come D2 nobody has any clue what's going on. Everyone skipped checking me & my ally's deja claim because NK is supposed to prove it. We're both still alive. No problem, mafia obviously wanted to get fate egg of the table when they have the lead off the GN kill & no lynch. Next night we still don't go, but it makes sense, towny player was protected night before, this night the towny player we failed to bandwagon goes down. It isn't until D4 that people are getting suspicious. By now the roles are coming out though, who needs to kill vanilla players who keep trolling the rest of town?
Accept it sub, you've already lost if I'm scum. So you'll just have to townread me as your only hope. Only it's hopeless, because you've already lost
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2020, 04:46:11 am
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2020, 05:42:52 am
MasterWalksBut I received no discussion on this part, and everyone seemed to dismiss the possibility instantly, so I went with a different idea (My idea was: even if MW is mafia, he has a partner who is easier to find).
He randomly votes on people at times without giving much explanation.
He also seems to be more organized in this game than previously.
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2020, 06:27:50 am
Let's assume that MW has been mafia this whole game. He's putting people on the spot by calling them out for their ability use, accusing only town so far. He is voting people up without giving much explanation. Both actions may hope to get a wagon going in favor of mafia. Then later when he sees kdz target ian, he brings the suspicion on kdz. He is not the one to find ian, he was just a bystander. Then after it becomes a thunderdome between ian and kdz, MW becomes the kingmaker. He could have realized that if he pushed a lynch in favor of mafia, then he and ian would be counter-lynched next, so makes the safe play to vouch his night action against ian. Then when it's LyLo, he comes out the game with a tunnel vote, but then sheeps back on the main wagon when he sees the mislynch is not going to work out.
looks good (although your reason is a bit questionable, but I'll take it)!
I'm not sure exactly who the mafia is, MW is the only one I kind of trust,And these are the kind of posts that make me feel you two would let MW do his thing without batting an eye. "Questionable action, but I take it." A three times wider gap between MW and everyone else, so if he does anything bad, the gap has room to narrow before MW changes place in the order.
MW >>> Kae > Sub > Ge0
That is why I made posts like this:
he is throwing confetti and ribbons all over the place (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwmfJzTqlh8&feature=youtu.be&t=1204) with MW (because if they are both mafia, they essentially won anyway...).Noone disagreed me on that one, which proves my case.
Note: My case is not that MW is more likely to be mafia than you lot. My point is that everyone else ignores that possibility.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2020, 10:20:49 am
As invinvible town that's tunneling Calindu i know its pretty much inevitable that one of you dies, which would save me some of the thinking on that front, but i suppose after i update the lynchlogs one last time I have nothing better to do in absence of input from Calindu.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 16, 2020, 07:18:17 pm
Do you really think of me as that stupid? I mean, i get that its mafia, but you are using your knowledge of "knowing me" presumably from our work together in league. I guess i dont really care, i will never meet any of you and probably not be talking to any of you in about a year, just kinda hurts seeing what a first impression of me looks like.
Anyways, emotions aside, i think Cal is the last mafia member. Look at the last mafia he played where he was scum. Playing pretty much similar to how he is now. I say we lynch him as our last lynch.
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2020, 07:31:58 pm
And it wouldn't be fair if I didn't ask for your thoughts on me, so that too.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2020, 07:33:13 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2020, 07:36:18 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2020, 07:42:03 pm
Tbf, I drew all the wrong conclusions on day 1-3myself (just because scum was on timpas wagon didn't mean he wasn't scum, Links wagon being pure and not succeeding still didnt mean he was scum, TorB wasn't anubis, kdz was the town between ian and him etc.), so maybe I am stupid as wellAnd that's exactly why I was townreading you when you almost got lynched. Link even called me out for having the second most different reads than everyone else. I think the towny confusion is a big telling point in mafia.
This is endgame though, so I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything before I settle on Calindu.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 16, 2020, 07:47:05 pm
@MW: Besides his Vulture plan, what are your thoughts on Kaempfer?
And it wouldn't be fair if I didn't ask for your thoughts on me, so that too.
My thoughts are he was unusually disorganized and seemed pretty confused around D1-D3 (i think that time). This is when he started getting some major attention from his shock response, his role fishing of me, and the general public just shifting focus to him. I would say his reaction was unusual enough that i got a small scum read. Since i had little for other scum reads, besides what everyone else was reading, i put focus onto him. Now that we are late game, and he has explained himself i would say he is on my town reads, albeit pretty low on it. To put it simply, i dont think he is mafia, but also wouldnt be all that surprised if he is.
Nah, its not about league, it's mostly about how you play mafia (and played in it before). very questionable use of mechanics and not seeing some other things that seem obvious to me. sorry i offended you.
Oh pfft, if its just the way i play mafia, i aint offended. No worries there.
i cant say i purposely play stupid, but i dont purposely play smart. Ill go in deeper on this after the game is over.
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2020, 07:52:52 pm
probably not be talking to any of you in about a yearHow so?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 16, 2020, 07:57:21 pm
probably not be talking to any of you in about a yearHow so?
Didnt mean that as snide. Just that after flash death this year, the game is going to be carried on by the forums and there is only so much of that before we just kinda fade out.
I havent decided if im going to move to OEtG
Post by: MasterWalks on June 16, 2020, 09:15:21 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 06:37:25 pm
rob77dp (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
Sub (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Calindu, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
adrenatimpa (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (2) - serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13,
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (3) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, Linkcat
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, rob77dp
serprex (1) - iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (6) - Calindu, moehrpi, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (2) - Ge0metry, Linkcat
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (6) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp,
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
DC (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, rob77dp, MasterWalks
Linkcat (4) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, moehrpi
Annele (4) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancu
andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
Sub honorary 6th vote on Annele
Annele (1) - rob7dp
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (3) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (1) - rob77dp
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, MasterWalks
Calindu (2) - rob77dp, Linkcat
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
serpex(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (5) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (6) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (5) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies
Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, killsdazombies
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, andretimpa
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
shockcannon (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (1) - Submachine,
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (4) - serprex, rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (1) - iancudorinmarian
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Annele (2) - iancudorinmarian, serprex
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (3) - rob77dp, killsdazombies, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - rob77dp, DoubleCapitals
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - killsdazombies
killsdazombies (3) - Submachine, MasterWalks, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (1) - killsdazombies
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, serprex
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks
Annele (1) - DoubleCapitals
killsdazombies (4) - Submachine, serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (3) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (4) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, Calindu
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (2) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks
killsdazombies (5) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (3) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp
killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon
killsdazombies (6) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu
killsdazombies (5) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (5) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex
killsdazombies (4) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (7) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, shockcannon, rob77dp, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13
killsdazombies (3) - iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (8) - killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu, serprex, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) kaempfer13
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (1) - shockcannon
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - shockcannon, MasterWalks
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (4) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (5) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - kaempfer13
rob77dp (7) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu, Annele, killsdazombies, rob77dp, andretimpa
shockcannon (1) - Submachine
kaempfer (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - MasterWalks, Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (1) - Annele
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (4) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (4) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - MasterWalks
Annele (2) - MasterWalks, Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (1) - Annele
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (4) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (4) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
Kaempfer13 (1) MasterWalks
Ge0(1) kaempfer13
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Ge0 (1) - kaempfer13, Submachine
Ge0 (4) - kaempfer13, Submachine, MasterWalks, Calindu
Ge0(1) kaempfer13
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Ge0 (1) - kaempfer13, Submachine
Ge0 (4) - kaempfer13, Submachine, MasterWalks, Calindu
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 06:46:11 pm
I know some have starting grouping players together and trying to deduce teams, voting blocks, etc. I personally could not understand the logic behind some of it, just a bit small-brained I guess. Didn't want to sheep them though. My readslist may not make logical sense to some people depending on how they have grouped people. Please read as more of a "Geo's attempt at sensing the vibe on people" kind of list, rather than a "Geo logically solves the game on N1".
As I'm writing this list, I realize most of it still feels somewhat weak. In order to compensate, I will not list anyone as a flat n, everyone is at least n+ or n- so that I'm providing some sort of opinion no matter how weak my read on them.
vv
serp - with moe 200% confirmed deja, serp is 200% confirmed himself. this is obvious to most of you I know, but it was a conclusion I deduced with my own brain and I am proud of it
v
link - nothing about his posts feel scummy to me, I'm not sure how some are reading him as scum. having a train started on him late into D1 was seemingly random to me and felt like a mafia play
torb - could be wrong but feel like he is playing fairly "solo", not trying too hard to get on anyone's good side. in fact maybe doing the opposite, staying extremely wary of everyone until confirmed town. feels towny to me.
n++
rob - some of his play confuses me still, but the constant vote switching and his seeming confusion/panic during EOD felt towny to me, I think mafia would be more certain of what they want?
kdz - gut feel still think he's towny, although at this point in the game I guess that's not good enough to have someone in v
sub - I said I wasn't going to sheep but someone mentioned that if sub was scum he would very likely be caught up during EOD and that just makes so much sense to me
n+
andre - scum andre would have received a bit more defense, he has almost died twice and no one seemed to care. poor guy.
dc (n+)
mw (n-)
the two players I am most unsure about, but as promised have assigned them a not completely neutral read
n-
ian - I feel like his posts have little to no substance, doesn't seem to care much about the game, "I'll post a readslist later, maybe" - not a good feel
annele - still gut feel scummy, but similar to how I don't think my gut feel on kdz warrants v, my read on annele doesn't warrant w. of all players, I wish the most to see more content from her.
shock - weirdest read for me, I really like how he presents his logic, but I don't at all agree with his reads if that makes sense. has me worried they are mafia orchestrated narratives, kinda "feels too good to be true" type solving. almost want to put him in w but idk.
w
calindu - low-ish activity and also a "don't really care about the game" vibe, similar to ian. also started the train on link (I could be wrong on this, too lazy to go back and check but I'm fairly certain he was the first or one of the first to vote on link)
kaemp - a lot of his reads contradict mine, this is maybe somewhat of a gut feel as well, but it's my strongest. as I'm writing this post it seems a wagon is forming on him and I'm content to hop on.
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 06:48:27 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 06:51:20 pm
Albeit late, here's my updated readlist.
vv
serprex - you know why
v
rob - Still my strongest town read. Make of that what you wish.
n+
TorB - I can see where kae is coming from, but it feels way too conspiracy theory to me. TorB is still a town-lean for me.
MW - Not sure what to think of him. He's asking for the reads of some very specific people. Town behaviour, I'd say.
n
shock - I don't even read his posts. I'm too low IQ to understand, so I just ignore.
Calin - I haven't seen anything unusual from him yet.
Sub - I don't know. I don't like reading walls of texts, so I kinda ignore those. People with more patience can feel free to analyze them better.
kdz, DC, Ge0 - No clue whatsoever.
n-
Linkcat - U N L Y N C H A B L E
andre - Still one of the people I suspect. To be honest, I don't like how easy it was to forget about him entirely.
w
Annele - I really don't like how hard she was to lynch D1.
kae - As said, his theories feel way too conspiracy-oriented.
ww
Post by: PlayerOa on June 17, 2020, 07:00:57 pm
Day 7
In 48 hours, only two players will stay. It's the final day.
MasterWalks was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Dragonfly.
Day 7 has ended.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 07:01:11 pm
Okay, I'm caught up - here is my read list so far
vv
serpduh
v
MWI'm having an aneurism trying to understand how someone backed by a team would be making these types of mistakes. I was scumreading him before, but for now I'm more convinced that he's just an incompetent townie :sillyspin: (can very easily change depending on how people flip)
n+
Ge0I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt about being new, but I expect more content on the next days, or he'll be going down in the list. What he has post so far has been on the neutral side
robI'm not ready to completely remove my tinfoil hat about rob just yet. This theory is the main reason:Mafia has an anubis. That anubis has secured NK on me (to be refunded whenever) to prevent Heal blocking
Either rob is town fate egg psion who was blocked due to that immaterial, or rob's anubis scum & came up with a "I was actually psion" story to cover for his night action. If link/rob are w/w, link's plans would be created after he knows rob's anubis roll to setup that play
but then again I like that he's still second guessing himself about trusting Link (that's a very wise behaviour imo)
n
LinkI don't think it's wise to put Link higher than n unless there is mechanical confirmation, this guy is just too hard to read.
ian/kdz/DCNot enough content to get a read. This better change soon.
SubI really don't understand his style so far, but apparently that's his normal. Will have to try to get a read of him out of votes I guess
n-
torbThere's a bit of WIFOM about the way he'd have used Anubis, but I have to think a bit more about this and his possible connection with Cal. Personally I'm more inclined to believe he's town!shrieker. This could change if kaemp flips town, but for now just a light scum lean.
CalThis is just an association read with torb. Apart from the Green Nymph stuff he hasn't posted much (which makes sense in retrospect as keeping low due to his role + IRL work)
shock
- Seems to be holding info that could help kaemp
- Has "confirmed" kaemp yet is voting for him
- Vouches for my biggest scumreads
Either he's insanely deep inside his tinfoil, or he's scum and miscalculated how much MW would be disruptive to his kaemp claim (after all, even kaemp's egg+GN theory and kaemp being town don't mechanicaly confirm shock, since mafia can be egg)
AnneleAfter rereading her D1 stuff and the rest of the things she posted I think I might have been a bit hasty with my previous scum read. The most damning avidence against her is the way EOD1 developped (which I admit I don't know how to make a good read of). So I'm moving her from w to n- until more evidence shows up.
w
kaempSee my previous post
Post by: PlayerOa on June 17, 2020, 07:01:29 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 07:02:51 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 07:05:05 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 07:05:39 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 17, 2020, 07:14:03 pm
Voting for Sub for now, but the next person on my list would be rob.One thing is for sure. Calindu and I are not w/w. :silly:
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
Post by: Submachine on June 17, 2020, 07:14:22 pm
getting a not w/w feelYou posted this before I could post my joke. I feel less original now. :(
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 07:17:31 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 07:20:33 pm
This is kinda odd, Calindu sat on timpa all day1.
w
calindu - low-ish activity and also a "don't really care about the game" vibe, similar to ian. also started the train on link (I could be wrong on this, too lazy to go back and check but I'm fairly certain he was the first or one of the first to vote on link)
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 07:25:48 pm
I'm not quite sure what to make of it, normally I'd say being unaware of people's behaviour points to not w/w.
Maybe he got the names mixed up and was upset that Cal voted timpa earliish. that still kinda points to not w/w though :-\
Post by: Submachine on June 17, 2020, 07:28:46 pm
Haha, that was actually in reference to how dead scum treated youWell, looking back at who has been scum so far, they have all been playing the low effort game, and I guess my posts need some effort to digest.
Kinda like how I feel when I'm about to dig through your posts. You have almost twice as many as I do. I'm trying to do full scan again, but I'm only on page 19. Will need to come back tomorrow.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2020, 07:46:19 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 17, 2020, 08:13:36 pm
Calindu, do you want to watch us pat each other on the back repeatedly until we vote you or do you have any intention of contributing?
I'll contribute tomorrow morning to the conversation, then can also contribute on Friday, haven't caught up with everything posted since start of day, so will do that before.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 17, 2020, 09:36:40 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 18, 2020, 12:38:35 pm
Anyways, emotions aside, i think Cal is the last mafia member. Look at the last mafia he played where he was scum. Playing pretty much similar to how he is now. I say we lynch him as our last lynch.
You brought this argument 3 times and every single time I responded to you and told you to look at mafia 71. What happens the next time you bring this argument? That's right, you ignore what I previously said and just say the exact same thing.
This is endgame though, so I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything before I settle on Calindu.
Put your vote on me if you want to settle.
I'll post some thoughts about both of you, '-' means I think that indicates mafia, '+' means I think that indicates town.
Sub
+
Quote
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
- His votes have almost all been late into the day, especially the first few days, no votes days 2 and 3 from the lynchlog.
- Plays in a strange way, different from other times I played with him.
- He sheeped both Link and rob for a long time, normally not a bad thing, but in this instance, it makes sense for mafia to try to sheep a player when their reads are going the wrong direction
Kae
+ Seems to play normally, not getting much of a strange vibe from rereading his posts.
+ Pushed for a Ge0 lynch early on.
- Everyone dropped their suspicions of him after shock's claim, even though shock's flip proved nothing.
- Very late votes usually.
Atm, I'm more inclined to believe it's Sub.
Submachine(1) - Calindu
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 18, 2020, 01:17:36 pm
Ah, it was spoilered. I see now.Cal, if Sub is the last mafia why do you think he would sheep me here, while MW was still misslynching me and i could also have been easily persuaded to vote you if he insisted?
Yeah, that does give you some cred, though it was at Night 3, not long before shock revealed his master plan. If I lessen my tinfoil though, all I see is two townreads, and two mafia.
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Ge0 (1) - kaempfer13, Submachine
I cannot vote on both Geo and Calindu, but I would, just to pressure them into the discussion.
Post by: Submachine on June 18, 2020, 08:12:39 pm
I am trying to put a progress behind Day 1 votes.
1. Calindu votes on me because he drew a possible connection of w/w between me and Linkcat, or perhaps because of a disagreement? It is unclear, but it seems he was unsure where to place his vote, and he liked my post the least.
Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.What? I agree that we should not punish activity, but in the same time, why should we look the other way when it comes to rob or Link? Are we really that useless without them that we are ok with losing on the spot if they are mafia? From this, all I get is that if you are mafia, they have a higher chance of being too, and same the other way around.But I also wanted to imply that I only want to keep these people alive "longer", but not indefinitely. Hopefully, by the endgame, all town with lower activity is cleared out by either making them contribute more or by executing them.Again, activity good, inactivity bad, but this type of behaviour is frustrating to play with casually. Even when I feel like I'm contributing and being fairly active, it seems like it's not enough for everyone and I'm berated for it. Let's just not execute people on the spot because they don't have a bazillion posts, ok?
Voting for Sub for now, but the next person on my list would be rob.
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu
2. Geo votes on rob. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297095/#msg1297095)
Andretimpa votes on MW. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297193/#msg1297193)
Andre unvotes MW. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297224/#msg1297224)
Kaempfer votes on Linkcat. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297335/#msg1297335)
Geo votes on Annele. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297342/#msg1297342)
3. Then EOD1 begins. Calindu votes on andretimpa (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297356/#msg1297356), then goes to sleep.
4. I am just in time to save Linkcat.
I LEAVE THE TABLE FOR FIVE MINUTESThis has a lot of moving parts, so let's analyze it while I'm here.
andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
First of all, I haven't been voting so far, because I hoped to hide my role by pretending to be Graboid. I already explained earlier how I believed my role was useful enough to conceal.
However, I not only gave up on hiding my role, but in hindsight, to save Linkcat I voted on a top mafia wagon.
As mafia, this makes zero sense. If I don't vote here, Linkcat dies and andretimpa does not come closer to death. However, the timer was nearing zero when I swooped in for the save. I not only stopped a town dying, but I also pressured a mafia from a relatively safe place into a risky situation.
5. Linkcat calls out for ian to place a vote. Ian votes on Annele. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297553/#msg1297553)
Then after further pressuring from rob, he switches to andre, breaking a tie in Linkcat's favor (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297588/#msg1297588).
6. But then timpa comes back to vote on Linkcat (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297601/#msg1297601), creating a tie between them.
7. Rob comes out with the plan to vote out Annele instead of Link and timpa.
Ian votes on Annele.
Andretimpa votes on Annele.
I am still 4 minutes behind and can't see the latest developments.
Those were the last two votes, the day ends in a tie.
Shock was too late, real vote count.
andretimpa (4) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
In summary, Geo's votes don't feel like they have substance behind them.
Timpa mainly voted to self-preserve. His early vote on MW was short-lived.
Kae voted on Linkcat and was unwavering about his vote throughout the day.
Calindu created a 3-3 tie by voting on timpa, then went to sleep. (More about this below.)
I saved Linkcat and created a 5-5 tie by voting on timpa, then kept my vote on the highest non-Link wagon.
Then Ian broke the 5-5 tie by bussing timpa. This was a strange vote, but it seems to me he was pressured into it.
The main difference between my vote and Calindu's is the timing. If Calindu was mafia and legit went to sleep, then he still had hope the votes will switch around in the following day.
When I placed my vote, it was at a very relevant time, minutes or even seconds before deadline.
Kae and I seemed to have a reason to place our votes where they were, but Calindu's is a bit vague, and it feels like he wanted to vote me, but Linkcat pressured him into voting timpa, just like rob pressured ian later to do the same thing. More about this below.
While I was going through Day 1, I also found these posts that might be relevant:
@Kaempf, is there a reason why you have not voted? Unless I missed it, you didn't state your intent to not vote like torb and ian. Moe is basically confirmed town, shock has declared wishes to no lynch, and kdz has his birthday as a reason for inactivity.
EBWOP:
I would like to mention also that other players are specifically curious about your vote, from the list of players who have not voted.
I made an attempt (albeit, a weak one) last night to probe kaemp on his lack of vote which at the time of me falling asleep, he had not responded. Just woke up, saw that he has voted. Great.A mafia openly interrogating Kae. It could be mafia banter, or legit laying suspicion on Kae, which would imply not w/w.
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kaemp - overly defensive as mentioned by others, also only person who's readlist i did not like at all
andre - posts weren't convincing imo but whoever mentioned he didn't try too hard to defend himself or start another train i think is quite interesting
Though he did give andretimpa the same classification in his latter post, so banter is possible.
In this post, Calindu claims suspecting rob, andre, Linkcat, and me, and also a poke at Kae. He decided to vote on andre.Sub isn't happening, give me your top 3 scumreads.At this point, excluding Sub, it's rob, andre and you. However, kae's posts since last night give me a strange feeling to be honest.
I'll vote on andre for now, to not hammer the lynch on rob, but I find rob as a valid lynch today as well.
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
If Calindu is town, he listed 5 players, out of which 2 are mafia, and placed his vote on a mafia.
If Calindu is mafia, he listed 5 players, out of which 1 is mafia, and placed his vote on the only mafia on his list.
I am not sure what to do with this yet, but this post encompasses all three of us, so it might be of relevance.
His reasoning against Kae was also this "strange feeling" argument that he is using to vote me now. (Partially. He listed two other things too.)
The parts in yellow perk my curiosity. Now we know that andre was indeed mafia, but I find it strange to specifically pick 1 out of 5 people for this reason. When Link corrected him about who would be confirmed by andre flipping mafia, Cal has already went to sleep.Why are your scumreads precisely any wagon that happened during the day?They were on my read list, long before this post, I haven't changed my opinion too much on anyone other than you since then, since I didn't have the time to fully analyse everything.
As for why I voted specifically on andre, I thought rob was at 3 votes before, and I think hammering him when I'm not sure I can be active at end of day is bad. Moreover, if he flips mafia, this pretty much confirms rob and Link to me, and I see that as a big advantage for town.
As I mentioned above, it feels like Calindu wanted to vote me, but he voted on timpa out of pressure. And it also feels like he knew something about timpa's alignment. That, or a very strong hunch. Either way, it's strange.
It doesnt compute, there is no logicThis was the part during EOD1 when rob suddenly switched his vote from andre to Annele. Here Kae is almost disappointed that rob's vote is not on andre. (Why would he be disappointed if he knew andre was mafia?) Kae also shows signs of towny confusion.
it reads like : andre is probably scum, better vote Annele
Why is it 10 PM again? Ugh...
I will only skim the rest of the game.
Post by: Submachine on June 18, 2020, 08:26:21 pm
Calindu is still n-, but Kae is around n+ now. The part where Calindu calls out the benefits of specifically andre flipping mafia feels the most sus to me so far.
@Calindu: If you are Town, now is the time to realize that your vote is in the wrong place. You were quick to jump the gun instead of joining the discussion, which is sus, but you implied you only voted me because you townread kae more, and not because you scumread me.
Though if you are mafia, your vote makes sense. And judging by how early you voted now and how late you voted on Geo, it looks like this is the case.
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 06:39:12 am
Is this what Calindu meant by sheeping rob? I don't remember sheeping his opinions, and I assumed the reason to keep him alive early has already been clarified [1]. This was the only mid-game rob defending I found from me. And it's also worth mentioning that this is not how I would play as mafia. I would not go ahead the curve to sacrifice myself if I had a team behind me.either rob or I have to be mafia. So if you're still convinced rob is town, then lynch me and then come back to this post and read again for the answers to this game.That's a difficult fight to pick. If you are so sure that kaempfer and I are also mafia, you would be picking one of us instead of rob. Shock's train of thought feels like he bases our alignments on his read on rob. So I have to ask,
@shock: In case rob is actually town, do you still hold strongly to your other two mafia picks? If so, then why are you not pushing us instead of rob? We have so much more dirt than rob, you could easily get away with it. (Quick note: I would hate to protect rob if he was actually mafia here, but in case he is town, I would rather sacrifice myself to prove shock wrong, because I deem myself less useful for town's cause than rob.)
Reference [1]:
Sub - I can actually confidently say that I consider Sub town now, his actions all seem to make sense, his ideas are clear and reason well into my headThis made me assume we got to an agreement about why I was trying to keep rob and Link alive early game.
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- He sheeped both Link and rob for a long time, normally not a bad thing, but in this instance, it makes sense for mafia to try to sheep a player when their reads are going the wrong directionAgain, if the above example is what you meant by sheeping rob for a long time, it would not make sense to sheep them by throwing myself in front of rob as a shield. Knowing that I'm town, I realized that shock's "90% correct" mafia team was inaccurate, and I was willing to prove him wrong before it all went bad - as it eventually did. If I was mafia here, I would not be able to sheep them for going in the wrong direction. It would actually turn them off from their wrong courses, which would be double bad for mafia.
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 10:35:09 am
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 10:37:01 am
I understand everyone is busy at this time, so I will wait until 3 hours before deadline. If no developments until then, I'm placing my vote on Calindu.Or rather, I'm placing it now, and remove it later if I see a good reason for it.
Submachine(1) - Calindu
Calindu (1) - Submachine
Post by: Calindu on June 19, 2020, 11:15:18 am
Ah, it was spoilered. I see now.Cal, if Sub is the last mafia why do you think he would sheep me here, while MW was still misslynching me and i could also have been easily persuaded to vote you if he insisted?
Yeah, that does give you some cred, though it was at Night 3, not long before shock revealed his master plan. If I lessen my tinfoil though, all I see is two townreads, and two mafia.
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Ge0 (1) - kaempfer13, Submachine
I cannot vote on both Geo and Calindu, but I would, just to pressure them into the discussion.
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Ge0metry v1.2
How can Sub ever try to misslynch you with this readlist posted not a long time before, with nothing significant to point towards you being scum? Sure, he can try to force by persuading MW further, but surely he outs himself on the spot if MW turns his vote around.
In this post, Calindu claims suspecting rob, andre, Linkcat, and me, and also a poke at Kae. He decided to vote on andre.Sub isn't happening, give me your top 3 scumreads.At this point, excluding Sub, it's rob, andre and you. However, kae's posts since last night give me a strange feeling to be honest.
I'll vote on andre for now, to not hammer the lynch on rob, but I find rob as a valid lynch today as well.
rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele
If Calindu is town, he listed 5 players, out of which 2 are mafia, and placed his vote on a mafia.
If Calindu is mafia, he listed 5 players, out of which 1 is mafia, and placed his vote on the only mafia on his list.
I am not sure what to do with this yet, but this post encompasses all three of us, so it might be of relevance.
His reasoning against Kae was also this "strange feeling" argument that he is using to vote me now. (Partially. He listed two other things too.)The parts in yellow perk my curiosity. Now we know that andre was indeed mafia, but I find it strange to specifically pick 1 out of 5 people for this reason. When Link corrected him about who would be confirmed by andre flipping mafia, Cal has already went to sleep.Why are your scumreads precisely any wagon that happened during the day?They were on my read list, long before this post, I haven't changed my opinion too much on anyone other than you since then, since I didn't have the time to fully analyse everything.
As for why I voted specifically on andre, I thought rob was at 3 votes before, and I think hammering him when I'm not sure I can be active at end of day is bad. Moreover, if he flips mafia, this pretty much confirms rob and Link to me, and I see that as a big advantage for town.
As I mentioned above, it feels like Calindu wanted to vote me, but he voted on timpa out of pressure. And it also feels like he knew something about timpa's alignment. That, or a very strong hunch. Either way, it's strange.
The only reason I voted for you previously is because I scumread you more than I scumread kae, I wasn't townreading any of you.
When you said I wanted to vote you, it's true I had my vote on you early on, but at that point I wanted to vote rob, but hammering him would not be good.
Is this what Calindu meant by sheeping rob? I don't remember sheeping his opinions, and I assumed the reason to keep him alive early has already been clarified [1]. This was the only mid-game rob defending I found from me. And it's also worth mentioning that this is not how I would play as mafia. I would not go ahead the curve to sacrifice myself if I had a team behind me.either rob or I have to be mafia. So if you're still convinced rob is town, then lynch me and then come back to this post and read again for the answers to this game.That's a difficult fight to pick. If you are so sure that kaempfer and I are also mafia, you would be picking one of us instead of rob. Shock's train of thought feels like he bases our alignments on his read on rob. So I have to ask,
@shock: In case rob is actually town, do you still hold strongly to your other two mafia picks? If so, then why are you not pushing us instead of rob? We have so much more dirt than rob, you could easily get away with it. (Quick note: I would hate to protect rob if he was actually mafia here, but in case he is town, I would rather sacrifice myself to prove shock wrong, because I deem myself less useful for town's cause than rob.)Sub - I can actually confidently say that I consider Sub town now, his actions all seem to make sense, his ideas are clear and reason well into my headThis made me assume we got to an agreement about why I was trying to keep rob and Link alive early game.
That's not what I mean by sheeping, I consider sheeping when someone blatantly follows all of someone's plans and agrees with them, regardless with what's being said. I agree in your case you are not taking it to an extreme, but it does feel like you did it a lot this game.
I didn't reach an agreement with you about Link and rob, but your last few posts before my readlist resonated well and actually made a lot of sense.
I understand everyone is busy at this time, so I will wait until 3 hours before deadline. If no developments until then, I'm placing my vote on Calindu.Or rather, I'm placing it now, and remove it later if I see a good reason for it.
Submachine(1) - Calindu
Calindu (1) - Submachine
That's what I actually wanted to see from you, now I'm decently sure you are not mafia.
Scum!Sub doesn't make this vote, because Scum!Sub want me lynched, because he ends up in a stalemate against kae.
kaempfer13(1) - Calindu
Calindu (1) - Submachine
Post by: Calindu on June 19, 2020, 12:52:17 pm
Just noticed this mistake.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 12:54:19 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 01:00:38 pm
My tunnelvision is telling me that you are trying out all the options for a misslynch you can.
kaempfer13(1) - Calindu
Calindu (2) - Submachine, kaempfer13
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 02:41:56 pm
EBWOP: because Scum!Sub doesn't want me lynchedUnfortunately thats not how it works. parity requires more town to be alive than scum, even if the remaining town is invincible and able to vote
Just noticed this mistake.
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 04:36:45 pm
I would like to see if this changes Calindu's vote.EBWOP: because Scum!Sub doesn't want me lynchedUnfortunately thats not how it works. parity requires more town to be alive than scum, even if the remaining town is invincible and able to vote
Just noticed this mistake.
Now that I have more free time, I want to look at a few things. Will both of you be here until EOD to further discuss things?
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 04:42:54 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 06:25:23 pm
1. Geo votes on Kaempfer.
Annele (1) - rob7dp
kaempfer13 (4) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
2. Andre votes on Kaempfer.
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (5) - serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
3. Calindu votes on Kaempfer.
I'm sorry, but I can't town read you anymore after this.
Annele (3) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
There are far easier worlds I could have pushed, but alas I'm actually trying to solve the game and thus I will keep screaming this cassandra truth until I'm deadHere Kae sounds genuinely desperate. He was going after the wrong lead, sure, but he was attempting to solve.
4. Iancu votes on Annele.
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarianI find it interesting that all 3 mafia we know voted near each other with Calindu inbetween. And almost all of them on Kaempfer. Ian voted Annele, but took the chance to poke Kae.
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele
I'm willing to change to kae if needed or if people can persuade me otherwise.
I stop doing full scan, because I noticed only half an hour left until deadline.
But from what I have gathered, mafia was hard focusing on Kae on Day 2 just like they hard pushed Annele the whole game. My gut says that it's Calindu, so I'm keeping my vote where it is and hope for the best.
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 06:28:46 pm
The timer for convenience.Day 7 has ended.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 06:32:47 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 06:37:30 pm
Tbh, scum has had a pretty weird approach to this game. Normally you instinctively avoid voting together like that in order to dissassociate.Not only that, but some confusing bussing too. Votes were not good to determine reads in this game.
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 06:42:05 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 06:53:51 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 06:56:15 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 19, 2020, 06:57:06 pm
Don't think I can convince any of you to not misslynch me, so w/e, with my activity lately I have no way to do that.
Post by: Calindu on June 19, 2020, 06:58:14 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 07:00:36 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on June 19, 2020, 07:02:04 pm
Day 7 has ended.
The mafia won. Congratulations-a-ton.
Calindu was lynched. He was a Elemental and a Green Nymph.
The False Gods won Mafia 73, congratulations!
With the game ending, the dead players pad (http://sync.in/goodbye) slipped out of the hands of the host...
(https://i.imgur.com/IzS5mAj.png)
- rob eating Coffee N0 was a great kickstart of the game. He initially intended to vig kaempfer, though, which would have led to a completely different game.
- Mafia had no reason to believe w3 was Golden Nymph. He even targeted andretimpa, a member of the mafia. Stroke of luck right there.
- EoD D1... yikes. Stricter rules on vote juggling would be very welcome.
- Mafia played smart N1 by obsessing TorB, but in the end it didn't matter as they hit the nightkill the following night anyway. I found immortalizing serprex to be a smart move, but with no town doc it was kinda unnecessary and let to an Anubis hunt.
- TorB should have burrowed N2, but a paranoid town didn't trust him and let to his death. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
- kdz targeted a mafia (Ge0metry) with GN N2 - then changed target for another mafia (iancu).
- DC blocked Annele from devouring both kaempfer and Calindu. kaempfer reeeeally wasn't going to die this game.
- Precoging andretimpa must be a curse - both nymphs died the same night they targeted him, as kdz did pick him out the night he died.
- Mafia had no reason to believe w3 was Golden Nymph. He even targeted andretimpa, a member of the mafia. Stroke of luck right there.
- EoD D1... yikes. Stricter rules on vote juggling would be very welcome.
- Mafia played smart N1 by obsessing TorB, but in the end it didn't matter as they hit the nightkill the following night anyway. I found immortalizing serprex to be a smart move, but with no town doc it was kinda unnecessary and let to an Anubis hunt.
- TorB should have burrowed N2, but a paranoid town didn't trust him and let to his death. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
- kdz targeted a mafia (Ge0metry) with GN N2 - then changed target for another mafia (iancu).
- DC blocked Annele from devouring both kaempfer and Calindu. kaempfer reeeeally wasn't going to die this game.
- Precoging andretimpa must be a curse - both nymphs died the same night they targeted him, as kdz did pick him out the night he died.
It was a blast hosting this game of Mafia for you guys, hopefully you enjoyed it as much as I did!
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 07:06:12 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 07:06:37 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 19, 2020, 07:10:15 pm
GG!
This was a fun mafia. I actually kinda hoped i died when KDZ died. Things got busy irl (and pretty messy) and while i was able to keep up with posting, my attention span was about 2 pages.
kae- I was trying to be a swing voter. After like D4 i was too busy irl to make that much of an impact, so i wanted to rely on other information. Im sorry that this hurt town greatly end game. Yea i played stupidly, but i want to point out that i wanted to appear more stupid than i actually was (i was pretty stupid so this wasnt hard). I feel thats the safest way to stay alive. The thing about tunneling on the shock and yours interaction wasnt really a misinterpretation of the rules, but rather i wanted some more development between you two so i started as much conversation around that as possible. Looking at the spoiled list, that was a waste of my time.
Anywho, GGs! I need to talk to link i bit more but i MIGHT host the next one.
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 07:11:31 pm
Errrrrrrrrrr, are you sure? Maybe I didn't check my primary role correctly.J/k though, but it would have been amazing if I have only checked my secondary role this whole time. ^^"
Here are some stuff from the mafia pad:
This was during EOD1.
23:07 iancu: Sub, wtf
23:07 iancu: That's some hardcore bus-ing
23:07 Ge0: ^
23:08 iancu: If andre dies because of you, I will lynch you myself
And during Day 2:
iancu (mobile): I'm calling it now, Sub is going to bus us all
I did not mean to, but he was totally right.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 19, 2020, 07:15:18 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 19, 2020, 07:21:02 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 07:30:28 pm
So why did you bus Ge0 anyway? was it so much fun sinking hours into the game?No, it was very stressful. I subtly asked around who suspects who, but you seemed to be tunneling Geo hard and Calindu's opinion was a mystery. I had to do the long game to be safe.
Post by: serprex on June 19, 2020, 07:37:19 pm
... game is pretty much solved already ...
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 19, 2020, 07:38:34 pm
... game is pretty much solved already ...
LOL that post
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 08:15:05 pm
By the way, as unlucky as I was, I planned to roll Town and play similarly to how I played in Mafia 70 (when I was mafia) to mix up my playstyles a bit. I did not check my role, so I did not know I was actually mafia again. And right in the game where I already started playing scummy. When I read my role, I had to switch playstyles super quickly.
After then, my aim was to play exactly like I would if I was town. For this, I barely consulted the others to somewhat keep me in the dark, and I even renamed our pad to Confirmed Civvy Pad. I also don't think I directly lied about anything. And with every choice I made in this game, I had in mind, how would this choice affect endgame? I am very surprised that I could cover my tracks so well, that the scummiest things against me were late votes and a slight feel of unease. I guess theater is my strong suit.
My point stands:
Just to clarify, Link does not think I am Mafia, he just knows you can never be too cautious with me. ;)
He watched the entirety of 60 as a host, and he got familiar with my train of thought. Though you can also never know with Link, and Link seems to believe you can also never know with rob. We are the trinity of indecipherables.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 19, 2020, 08:36:33 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 19, 2020, 08:45:05 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 19, 2020, 09:29:51 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 19, 2020, 11:23:37 pm
I've put up a series of polls to see where we go from here, make sure to vote in them. Should we choose to go for a different role madness setup, the one we have ready to go is a vig-heavy setup by Sky, so it will probably be a shorter game. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xcEITPw3fIXW2yCUPvY0WI48thIeas4uLvJus5RV-Ag/
I would also appreciate any feedback on the current setup. I feel it went pretty well but there are a few changes I am making.
- Poison will kill you after 1 night instead of 2.
- Fate Egg will not give you the same role twice.
- Freeze will be changed to blocking your next ability use even if it's on a later night, but will let you vote, and Arctic Squid will be changed to ER.
- The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.
I'll come back later with my thoughts on the game.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 19, 2020, 11:37:50 pm
First off I want to apologize to anyone who feels that I acted elitist or dismissive during this game. That was not my intention. I was really excited to be playing mafia again after a year, and especially with rob after a whole three years. I put all of my energy into this game and ended up going overboard as I sometimes do. I did find it funny when I died but I was still really salty and I don't actually think you're all terrible at mafia. Ultimately my goal as FGO is to make sure everyone has as good a time as possible, and I'm sorry if I failed at that this time around.
I've put up a series of polls to see where we go from here, make sure to vote in them. Should we choose to go for a different role madness setup, the one we have ready to go is a vig-heavy setup by Sky, so it will probably be a shorter game. I know a lot of us try not to remember Mafia 63, but I have made sure that her new setup is actually balanced and has normal mechanics, so keep that in mind when voting.
I would also appreciate any feedback on the current setup. I feel it went pretty well but there are a few changes I am making.
- Poison will kill you after 1 night instead of 2.
- Fate Egg will not give you the same role twice.
- Freeze will be changed to blocking your next ability use even if it's on a later night, but will let you vote, and Arctic Squid will be changed to ER.
- The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.
I'll come back later with my thoughts on the game.
Personally, i had a ton of fun. Seems like people dont have fun when they put wayyyy too much thought into the game. Just play stupid and have fun!
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 19, 2020, 11:46:44 pm
First off I want to apologize to anyone who feels that I acted elitist or dismissive during this game. That was not my intention. I was really excited to be playing mafia again after a year, and especially with rob after a whole three years. I put all of my energy into this game and ended up going overboard as I sometimes do. I did find it funny when I died but I was still really salty and I don't actually think you're all terrible at mafia. Ultimately my goal as FGO is to make sure everyone has as good a time as possible, and I'm sorry if I failed at that this time around.
I've put up a series of polls to see where we go from here, make sure to vote in them. Should we choose to go for a different role madness setup, the one we have ready to go is a vig-heavy setup by Sky, so it will probably be a shorter game. I know a lot of us try not to remember Mafia 63, but I have made sure that her new setup is actually balanced and has normal mechanics, so keep that in mind when voting.
I would also appreciate any feedback on the current setup. I feel it went pretty well but there are a few changes I am making.
- Poison will kill you after 1 night instead of 2.
- Fate Egg will not give you the same role twice.
- Freeze will be changed to blocking your next ability use even if it's on a later night, but will let you vote, and Arctic Squid will be changed to ER.
- The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.
I'll come back later with my thoughts on the game.
Personally, i had a ton of fun. Seems like people dont have fun when they put wayyyy too much thought into the game. Just play stupid and have fun!
You can tell kae how *bad* he is for mislynching
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2020, 11:56:47 pm
I've put up a series of polls to see where we go from here, make sure to vote in them. Should we choose to go for a different role madness setup, the one we have ready to go is a vig-heavy setup by Sky, so it will probably be a shorter game. I know a lot of us try not to remember Mafia 63, but I have made sure that her new setup is actually balanced and has normal mechanics, so keep that in mind when voting.
I would also appreciate any feedback on the current setup. I feel it went pretty well but there are a few changes I am making.
- Poison will kill you after 1 night instead of 2.
- Fate Egg will not give you the same role twice.
- Freeze will be changed to blocking your next ability use even if it's on a later night, but will let you vote, and Arctic Squid will be changed to ER.
- The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.
I'll come back later with my thoughts on the game.
Agree with changes + I suggest the following changes:
- Remove Shrieker from the game or nerf it. Seraph is a more balanced version of it, so removing should be fine. Nerf options would be a.) Zero voting power even with Adrenaline; b.) Burrow lowest priority, Unburrow highest; c.) Make Adrenaline EoR.
- Seraph + Adrenaline should not allow creating unkillable town. That was the point of nerfing Guardian Angel too.
- Firefly Queen seeing Mind Flayers should be clarified.
- Role discretion by the host. This has not been in the rules, but the host should reroll the dice if the role distribution is unfavorable for any side. This time, it has been fine, but we were walking the fine line of having no real information role.
- The nerfed Freeze should be given an extra interaction with one of the roles. E.g: Any interrupted target of the Freeze would also become Frozen. Or if a Frozen player is investigated by Psion, it shows up as Arctic Squid.
I am looking forward to your thoughts about the game, and I didn't find anything upsetting about your play. Town!Sub would have been just legit confused about your readability, that's all.
Post by: serprex on June 20, 2020, 12:07:30 am
First off I want to apologize to anyone who feels that I acted elitist or dismissive during this game.
No worries. The "solved game" thing was also a red flag to me because I've seen good scum players entice bad town players into listening to them by offering "ignore how complicated this game is getting, just listen to me & everything is simple" which given a N0 cop kill seemed like a stretch
Also part of the dismissiveness is that when I said "Play with Annele or your scum to me" I wanted you to defend the decision either with much clearer explanation of what information you're seeking, or at least outline consideration of worlds where Annele is town. Instead you fell into arguing that Annele is an infolynch, which is a nice way to wash your hands of the mislynch before it even flips. Saying you needed to go after Annele to figure out what happened in EOD1 when I outlined that most of the train on you D1 were confirmed town, consider too that I pointed out timpa was actually harder to bandwagon than Annele since to save yourself you had to try switch vote to Annele thanks to that Ge0 vote. Ge0 was starting to fall apart ever since I told him he was coming off town, basically got complacent despite my encouraging him to keep rambling
Also that psion call, totally orchestrated with rob not seeing my immediate response etc. Was nice to get you out of the way so I got to orchestrate adrenakaempfer night plan, rip torb
- The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.
Ew. Secret ballot, reveal votes at eod, I know it goes against your desire for silly final hours, but I feel it's much better for our more casual meta which has people with timezones all over the place
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 20, 2020, 05:36:54 pm
Then he just kept ranting about stuff and what makes him town (dude, I'm tunneling Calindu and you won the game 4 days ago, just let me go about my day already) and then suggesting another extension (again game ended 4 days ago if you are scum, y u do dis?) and kept poking at people when there was nothing to talk about and calindu would need like 1 month extension to properly form a real scumread rather than a "this guy is slightly townier than that guy".
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 20, 2020, 05:39:01 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 20, 2020, 07:05:33 pm
Though the only defense I keep is that if I pushed Cal instead of Geo, my chances were high of getting the tides turned against me.
Again though, I apologize.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 20, 2020, 07:31:03 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 20, 2020, 08:15:40 pm
sorry i offended you.
Apologies for going over the top
...
Again though, I apologize.
First off I want to apologize...
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Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 20, 2020, 08:54:37 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on June 20, 2020, 09:55:23 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 21, 2020, 06:09:16 am
I personally think Sub made the right play, and results prove it was at least one that worked. End of the last day was excessive, but everything leading up to that was fine. Town already agreed Geo and timpa were mafia so not bussing them, knowing full well they are perceived as mafia, could be taken as a way to save scum. You also cannot have Geo and timpa help you out with voting on Cal (too soon), since that just makes it even more suspicious. As a minor flipside, Sub still being alive that long should also have been perceived with more suspicion.
For me, I saw no reason for kaempfer to continue tunneling Calindu after N2. I flipped town, Cal had adrenalined two town Shriekers. It wasn't until andre and Geo voting patterns that I felt Calindu become suspicious again, which was apparently just inactivity that Sub successfully turned against Calindu. Because mafia only bussing mafia after 4/7 or 3/5 votes were already in place? That's the most logical (but obvious and transparent) play.
Not interested in a full discussion on this, just felt the need to throw in my thoughts instead of having Sub feel bad over a successful mafia play.
Post by: Linkcat on June 21, 2020, 10:40:30 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 22, 2020, 06:59:25 am
Post by: andretimpa on June 22, 2020, 12:34:15 pm
Inbefore Coffeeditto best player. :silly:
10/10 best off-camera death
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 22, 2020, 01:42:44 pm
Inbefore Coffeeditto best player. :silly:
He never voted off a town member.
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2020, 10:53:51 pm
Mafia 74 will begin signups in 3 days and will be a role madness setup hosted by Sky.
I have sent a PM to Ginyu asking for his ranking of Mafia 72.
There was only one vote for a post limit, so we will not be enacting any form of that. Surprisingly most people didn't have a problem with the volume, but I know there were several players this game that had difficulty staying caught up and still having time to contribute. I'll try to work with Sky to find a middle ground option.
Submachine won best player by a landslide, to nobody's surprise. Congratulations.
The best player poll will remain up, but the others will be taken down to make it easier to read though the thread. They are preserved here for posterity.
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