Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[rob77dp]

What I'm getting at by pushing around outside of kae is that it is obvious the game at-large probably OK with lynching kae. But what I see of him today is much more effort than I typically see a wolf put in to their posting and naming others on a day where it is VERY likely and completely plausible that they die. He is still focusing outside himself while most wolves get into "protect myself and talk about others/teammates as little as possible" mode. :-/ YMMV of course.

(Link is going to have to get on and start posting and playing a town game too if he wants to keep most posts in his court  )

[shockcannon]

Alright I'm going to try one last time to convince any confused town out there why it's literally impossible for Annele to be mafia before we lynch kaempfer, lynch Annele, and then lose.


- Annele came very close to getting lynched day 1 and was one of the earliest ones to receive any votes and has almost maintained votes on her.

- Linkcat and andre were all leading votes close to the deadline. If Annele was mafia, it would have been very easy to add votes on Linkcat or andre and make sure Annele never came close to dying.

- Literally no one, except for me, was giving defenses for Annele being town. If Annele was mafia and at risk of dying, you would expect to see at least a few people defending her, or at the very least, deflecting attention elsewhere. Yet she was always a frontrunner of discussion despite barely posting.


Excuse #1 Refuted:
Now you might say, "well what if her mafia buddies are shock and kaempfer." They were already voting on Linkcat and that's why they couldn't go to save her. WELL THEN WHY THE HECK WOULDNT WE JUST SWAP OUR VOTE OVER TO ANDRE????????????? Not to mention, kaempfer and I stuck our vote on Linkcat rather early and never moved. Everyone else around us moved but not us.


Excuse #2 Refuted:
"Well maybe andretimpa is a mafia also." Then why the heck did andretimpa vote Annele at the very end of the period, almost guaranteeing her death if Sub hadn't been late. If andre and Annele are both mafia they would've voted Linkcat. End of story. GG. But that didn't happen.

So now, we come across the only possible scenario in which Annele is mafia...:
...and that's if andretimpa, Annele, and Linkcat are all 3 mafia. And how ridiculous does that sound? Are mafia really that bad that they got town to vote up 3/4 mafia members to the chopping block day 1???? Are they really making the gutsy play to all almost die in order to secure themselves for the long run??? I don't think so. The latter doesn't even work because several players were reading both Annele and andre as mafia day 1.


So in conclusion, Annele legitimately can't be mafia. I don't understand how so many people choose to view "inactivity and suspicious posts" as more important than the only data we have, which is voting from day 1.

Oh by the way, would you like to know who placed the first Annele vote ever and started her train to begin with? It was Linkcat.

Annele (3) -  Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon

[Linkcat]

I'm willing to entertain the possibilities of Calindu and/or Linkcat mafia, but the only two ways I can be convinced that kaempfer13 is town is either by lynch, or by lynching Linkcat and having him flip mafia.

"Mechanical confirmed" with the people involved in Linkcat's theories reeks like a pile of crap and hoping for persuasion by complete intimidation, so there's a nice angle of attack if you need one. I am of the opinion that he should not have sufficient information to build such complicated theories N1.

My reads keep flipping because they strongly depend on whether Linkcat is mafia or not. The fact that he wants to keep targeting the least active suspect means we really don't get much information from those lynches at all. Even now, not joining the kaempfer13 lynch seems like an elaborate scheme to get me to join his lynch vote on another mislynch first.

I am paranoid, so I have tons of alternate theories. Seems only fitting for a game like this, no?

Nowhere did I say that anyone besides serp and moe were mechanically confirmed, I said they were 100% confirmed, which means that I will ride-or-die with them until the end of the game and it would be a losing play for us to lynch them. At the start of the day I said Annele would definitely give us more information, at this point kaempfer might be close but I still prefer Annele.

[shockcannon]

Also, screw it. I'm not admitting defeat and I'm disappointed in you kaempf for admitting defeat also. I'm fate egg. I got Golden Nymph N0 and kaempf is town.


@mafia
Come at me. When you play with the master of , you get burned.

[rob77dp]

Your N0 Fate Egg was WAYAAYAYAYAYYYYY better than mine.

ALright, so I'm not lynching kae today.

[rob77dp]

shock - given the game developments kae seems like a great N0 choice. What led you to pick him out of the whole lineup of signees?

[shockcannon]

Kaempf is the only player who will ever try to understand my posts rather than ignore everything I say. So I had to know what side he was on. Also if you think I'm lying about visiting kaempfer, MW has already confirmed me visiting kaempfer N0. Although I guess we could both be mafia and lying. 

[Calindu]

Annele (3) -  Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu

Hope you're actually truthful this time, shock.

[shockcannon]

Annele (3) -  Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu

Hope you're actually truthful this time, shock.

Fixing the count.

[serprex]

shock, care to make any soft claim about N1 egg roll?

[Linkcat]

Link-

Why did your N1 plan so easily dismiss Psioin and suggest a tinfoil-elimination target? A great mind for this game like town!Link surely has could have come up with something not "game is solved anyway" right? (I take the blame for following the plan in so far as I too was not really able to surely discern a better use for my Psionic Link......)

I stand by what I said.

[rob77dp]

I'm taking shock at face value here... I don't think scum!shock goes this far along protecting kae a bit suspiciously and kae not being quite sure what's happening... if they both faked it then --- well, I just cannot fathom believing that.

The first vote on kae looks to have been serp lock-town... then TorB in deference to this being better than a Cal wagon... then shock being shock and who I now believe to be town.