Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[UTAlan]

UTA - I disagree here... if we have the qty of players available and especially the "right ones" then swinging around some here can be insightful without being wreckless or dangerous.

Don't get me wrong. I like his vote-change. I just want to hear him explain his thinking. Did mathman convince him? Is Luna scummy to him?

We'll get a read out of it regardless. If Luna flips scum, then we can trust gino a little more for moving his vote sooner rather than later. If she flips town and he didn't provide an explanation, then he looks a little scummier until we get confirmation on mathman's primary role. Getting an explanation will help Town!gino (and therefore town) if Luna gets lynched and doesn't flip Criminal.

[rob77dp]

Sol -

Are you scum-reading DC and/or town-reading Lunaris? I haven't seen anything from DC that gives me any solid foundation for finding him scummy this game -- have you?

[mathman101]

Spoiler for quotes:

Are you going to be in-thread as end-of-day approaches? I think town can benefit from us being around in a quantity or number that is able to swing votes and not get stuck being stale/static. (Some of you are still not even voting -- not good)

Yes, I plan to be here for end of day. At worst I'll be on my computer doing homework in which case heavily ping me in chat.

That would be out-of-thread communication math... don't count on chat reminding you this game is nearing EOD -- especially if you're town.

Would you vote Luna to self-pres if the vote totals were conducive to it?

Woops, forgot we can't talk out of thread. Sorry.

If there were enough votes on Luna to save me, then yes I would be willing to change my vote to Luna.  Currently went DC as his was the highest and the best chance for me to stay alive

Noted, thanks. have you had any chance to read any more of the game (even if just the last recent pieces) to generate some reads rather than simply going purely self-pres?

What reads I currently have from the last 20-30ish pages, and what little I remember from the rest of the game.

Town
UTA - pretty much has been confirmed since Espi's death. (so 99% likely he is town)


Slight Town
rob - As much as he shows town traits, he still pushes questions to not assume his is town and to remember to check
coffee - it appeared as if he was willing to do the sacrifice himself for the greater good thing at the start of the day phase when many votes rallied on him. This could be townish, as he would still win even dead if town would win(I think unless I missed something in rules).
ddevs - I think i remember him saying something about being soft claimed cop from Linkcat at the start of the day phase. so maybe a slight lean towards town here.

Neutral
gino - hard to tell here, he seems to be bouncing around lot for his votes, mainly just playing follow the leader. Also he several times tried to point something out to UTA/rob but it seems a response wasn't given right away. (maybe ever-so-slight town lean)


Slight Scum
fabian - hasn't posted much. he said he would be busy though, so only slight lean towards scum.
Luna - I realize most people have been pushing luna all the way to a full scum read, but something is not adding up for me in her posts that make me want to push her all the way to the scum side yet. but will vote her if it will save me from being lynched.


either I didn't see, or too few posts to read on; iancu, JCJ, d2d, DC.

not a good list, partially rushed due to EOD but something is better than nothing I hope.

[godisnowonline]

I'm voting luna based off of links scum read of her, then mathmans claim and lack of counterclaim. I'm still unconvinced on fabian but hey its ok. we have scummier players to target.

[UTAlan]

I'm voting luna based off of links scum read of her, then mathmans claim and lack of counterclaim. I'm still unconvinced on fabian but hey its ok. we have scummier players to target.

Good stuff, thanks.

[UTAlan]

We should be able to get Solaris and mathman on to Luna, but that still leaves us at a tie. Need a non voter to vote or someone else to update their vote or we'll end up with a no lynch or a weak DC lynch.

[rob77dp]

If Coffee was not so highly likely to be BG and mathman was not un-counter-claimed Hitman that shot Link then I'd vote both of them ahead of Luna.

However, those first two conditionals do exist so Coffee follows the plan or he gets the kabash next day phase (solving him, hopefully, without using lynch on him until we have to/know to) and math gets a big town bump for CLAIMING to have shot town!cop in the thread and not being CC'd yet.

Luna really should be the vote here over Coffee and math -- unless I'm missing something?

[UTAlan]

Really feels like mafia is pushing the lynch here. Feeling stronger about scum!Lunaris and scum!Coffee (despite his bg claim) likelihood.

[rob77dp]

We should be able to get Solaris and mathman on to Luna, but that still leaves us at a tie. Need a non voter to vote or someone else to update their vote or we'll end up with a no lynch or a weak DC lynch.

Hmmm, how is @ddevans96 not around for this EOD? I don't recall him leaving a doctor's note (figure of speech only) that he would be missing it. This is frequently his online time of day too...

[UTAlan]

We should be able to get Solaris and mathman on to Luna, but that still leaves us at a tie. Need a non voter to vote or someone else to update their vote or we'll end up with a no lynch or a weak DC lynch.

Hmmm, how is @ddevans96 not around for this EOD? I don't recall him leaving a doctor's note (figure of speech only) that he would be missing it. This is frequently his online time of day too...

Maybe he didn't read the fine print in the OP about sacrificing rl commitments for the sake of the game.

[mathman101]

I would be fine moving my vote to luna, as I see more of a reason to lynch her over DC. but my reasoning on staying DC for now is to possibly save myself as he is the next highest to my count.

If we can get enough voters to move/new vote onto luna I will happily move my vote though.

[rob77dp]

We should be able to get Solaris and mathman on to Luna, but that still leaves us at a tie. Need a non voter to vote or someone else to update their vote or we'll end up with a no lynch or a weak DC lynch.

Hmmm, how is @ddevans96 not around for this EOD? I don't recall him leaving a doctor's note (figure of speech only) that he would be missing it. This is frequently his online time of day too...

Maybe he didn't read the fine print in the OP about sacrificing rl commitments for the sake of the game.

It's always in the fine print...

Are you getting the same vibe I am about the relative ease of mathman's vote total running up compared to Coffee's or Luna's? As well as the relative ease of Coffee's wagon dissipating compared to getting mathman's to reduce?