Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris

[danil]

Kuro, if you haven't already targeted someone, I wouldn't mind being confirmed, as the vocal majority seems to be leaning towards me being mafia.

[Linkcat]

Although I personally think Dema is town, I want to point out that him pushing on Ryli doesn't make him town at all, since regardless of who was lynched, it looked really good for the other mafia member.

[Espithel]

Looking good has far less worth than having one of your members killed.

[Espithel]

EBWOP: Does the fake artemmie confirm Dawn?

[Linkcat]

No. Also having a member look good actually is more important because both of those players were being scumread.

[Demagog]

Oh I guess I should say. I'm Yogurt. Just posted that to get Espi off me for a round. Chose someone mostly inactive but not new to mafia, as I felt that would make it more believable. I have no idea if dawn is mafia or not.

[1011686]

I dont think an "Im new" post should factor in at all when scumreading. A newb town would be just as likely to say that as a newb mafia.

[Espithel]

I dont think an "Im new" post should factor in at all when scumreading. A newb town would be just as likely to say that as a newb mafia.

Quite a few scumreads are like this, but they're scumreads because it's dangerous not to scumread it.

"I'm new" is a justification for actions a person takes. In short, it's a defence. The defence is "Don't hurt me, I'm sorry for being inexperienced." The issue with this, is if we don't automatically assume people who say it lean scumzor, then mafia can use it to justify bad actions, and allows them to just slip through the cracks.

More importantly, Danil is playing quite competently. If (s)he is new, I am very interested in what an experienced Danil can do.

[Espithel]

EBWOP:

Although, to be fair, has Danil performed any bad actions? Slightly too hazy to remember.

[Linkcat]

I went over this before, danil never even came close to trying to use that as a defense. I really don't know why people keep bringing up something this blatantly false.

[Demagog]

Danil did claim to be new without being prompted. Excuse enough for me.

[Espithel]

It's really only Demagoogliapootles that's bringing it up. I'm just explaining it.