Elements Mafia 60 - by Ginyu

[CleanOnion]

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
CleanOnion (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (5) - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3, Demagog
Linkcat (1) - skyironsword

Putting my vote where my reads and posts are at -- that being:

CleO - not so sure his use of Arrest (if this is what has transpired -- that of CleO role-blocking Dema on N0) was a civvy thing to do... however, coming out with it like this redeems him towards only a basic wolf-lean from me; also stated "I'm not mafia" - does helpful-town do this? not so sure

in my reads and

lynching CleO could be at least as informative and additionally point out that I have done more reads, conversation pushing, and thread building this game than many/most others have to this point. Lynching me gives information and also removes a good analytical mind from civ ranks whereas lynching CleO yields good information and removes less from the game.

from my reasoning/discussion.

Basically, I think voting CleO gives plenty of information and keeps a good value player for town like me alive.

Explain how lynching me is informative?

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
CleanOnion (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (6) - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3, Demagog, CleanOnion
Linkcat (1) - skyironsword

Bit of a bandwagon but a) I'm insulted b) arguments against rob seem conclusive

[Submachine]

Ginyu is not online, but I'd like confirmation from anyone that I can start actual scumreading starting from this post:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-60-by-ginyu/msg1235748/#msg1235748

I assume that everyone was aware of their new primaries after that point, but I may miss something.

[killsdazombies]

Be aware of the breadposting for a while as people talk about old roles they had, but yes, it would be safe to start there.

[Espithel]

So you're saying that you assume that THE INFERNO DIVIDER (Praise the sun) didn't use its ability because that'd be smart.
... Fair enough. x.x

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
CleanOnion (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp [7] - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3, Demagog, Clean0nion, Espithel
Linkcat (1) - skyironsword

TL;DR:
We learn a fekton if we lynch rob.
I don't think Rob is mafia.
How the hell are we going to lynch someone else?
The inability to verify any of Link's claims worries me.
Link, if rob comes up town, are you willing to expose/lynch the scientist?


Sorry, something's come up that I have to attend to. I should be on before the deadline to properly explain myself but that + FNM (And nothing is more important than FNM you plebs) will make me mostly inactive for today.

[rob77dp]

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
CleanOnion (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (5) - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3, Demagog
Linkcat (1) - skyironsword

Putting my vote where my reads and posts are at -- that being:

CleO - not so sure his use of Arrest (if this is what has transpired -- that of CleO role-blocking Dema on N0) was a civvy thing to do... however, coming out with it like this redeems him towards only a basic wolf-lean from me; also stated "I'm not mafia" - does helpful-town do this? not so sure

in my reads and

lynching CleO could be at least as informative and additionally point out that I have done more reads, conversation pushing, and thread building this game than many/most others have to this point. Lynching me gives information and also removes a good analytical mind from civ ranks whereas lynching CleO yields good information and removes less from the game.

from my reasoning/discussion.

Basically, I think voting CleO gives plenty of information and keeps a good value player for town like me alive.

Explain how lynching me is informative?

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
CleanOnion (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (6) - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3, Demagog, CleanOnion
Linkcat (1) - skyironsword

Bit of a bandwagon but a) I'm insulted b) arguments against rob seem conclusive

a1) What was the insult?

b1) How is it conclusive that one unconfirmed player claiming that another unconfirmed player gave them information about two other players we do not know? 

* EVERY lynch is informative, therefore lynching you would be informative. What you mean to ask me is how lynching you compares in informative-ness to lynching me. Please confirm this is what you are asking and if capable, as I suspect you are, give some statements about the information that is gained by lynching me. Thanks. (I'll be nearby for a quick reply if you are around to respond soon also)

So you're saying that you assume that THE INFERNO DIVIDER (Praise the sun) didn't use its ability because that'd be smart.
... Fair enough. x.x

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
CleanOnion (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp [7] - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3, Demagog, Clean0nion, Espithel
Linkcat (1) - skyironsword

TL;DR:
We learn a fekton if we lynch rob.
I don't think Rob is mafia.
How the hell are we going to lynch someone else?
The inability to verify any of Link's claims worries me.
Link, if rob comes up town, are you willing to expose/lynch the scientist?


Sorry, something's come up that I have to attend to. I should be on before the deadline to properly explain myself but that + FNM (And nothing is more important than FNM you plebs) will make me mostly inactive for today.

Here I was trying to _start out_ a game with how I ended the previous one (namely, being helpful and doing actual investigation and posts and such) instead of picking someone and pushing a rando-lynch. >.< @ "rob is not mafia but let's lynch him"

It sucks that I am such an informative lynch due to posting so many thoughts and ideas early on but as Lc and Kuro have shown me in their play -- sometimes the price you pay for playing well is dying early!

In the meantime, while you all figure out who you want to put votes on, I will continue my efforts and playing the game.

[randomperson123]

I'm going to drop out of this game because I'm in a pretty big mafia game in another forum, and I'm more invested in that game than this...

[rob77dp]

I'm going to drop out of this game because I'm in a pretty big mafia game in another forum, and I'm more invested in that game than this...

Exhibit B of what frustrates me about EtG mafia games.

[Demagog]

All you have to do is post a vote every few days. Better than dropping out.

[randomperson123]

All you have to do is post a vote every few days. Better than dropping out.

fine then.

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
CleanOnion (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp [7] - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3, Demagog, Clean0nion, Espithel, randomperson123
Linkcat (1) - skyironsword

because bandwagon.

[rob77dp]

All you have to do is post a vote every few days. Better than dropping out.

Dema, that is a really bad suggestion. A sub is FAR better than randomperson simply $h17 posting a vote every two days. Every absentee voter like this is a step towards more "bandwagon votes" which always favor mafia. Town is favored by votes that move and flow and ebb with the information and developments within the game.

All you have to do is post a vote every few days. Better than dropping out.

fine then.

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
CleanOnion (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp [7] - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3, Demagog, Clean0nion, Espithel, randomperson123
Linkcat (1) - skyironsword

because bandwagon.

This is a terrible vote for reasons WAY beyond the fact that it resides on my train. No Lynch is a valid and allowed in the current game system so please consider being a better player and either being involved or accurately voting NL on days where you have not paid attention to the game's flow and information.

[Submachine]

Alright, caught up! ^^ Let's see what we have here.

Firstly, to address the mass about the popular opinions:

• Onion vs Link: It can really go either way: CO claimed to attempt some sketchy Ghaladw PM-quoting method, plus he outed a potential strategy which was (intentionally or not) a warning to wolves. The desperate-breaking-the-rules-kinda-stuff is a civvy trait, but the other is a wolf trait. CO is leaning towards w on my list, because the extra potential to be a wolf is making me trust him less.
• rob vs Link: now this is a double-edged sword. I didn't buy Link's story yet, but Link's story was intriguing enough to put rob with him on the w list. So far my w list contains more people who are less trustworthy than those who I would actually lynch.

Then to add something unique to the list:
My usual scumreading strategy works better if the mafia knows each other, so I had to look for other clues. For now, here are my suspicions and questions:

@www3:

Spoiler for Hidden:

Using nothing but the name of my role, I have already found one of you.

And his name is rob.

Had my own suspicion on him, put my vote on rob please

After Solaris put www's vote on rob, the tally looked like this:

randomperson123 (1) - Sera
Discord (1) - rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Solaris
Submachine (1) - Demagog
Solaris (1) - Calindu
rob77dp (4) - Linkcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, worldwideweb3

Soon after that:

Now let's not pile anymore votes and see what rob has to say first.

You seemed eager to put your vote on rob, but then you sounded hesitant. It's also interesting that you said that noone else should vote on rob for a while, even though when you voted, there was already a big pile on him, meaning that you could have just not voted on him. The reason why this makes you suspicious is because mafia cannot really afford to blindly lynch a fellow, so if they don't know much, they are likely to be hesitant about killing suspicious players. And your hesitation sticked out to me.

@Dema:

Well one of the people Link would have had the scientist target was me, since I've told Link my role. I know there are at least some truths behind his story. Confirming his story will give us a good amount of information.

Dema, did Link confirm you that one of the Scientist targets was you or are you just making an assumption?

@Scientist - NotScientist:

If Link is telling the truth about the Scientist and his story is accurate, I have an idea who the Scientist might be. He was part of a similarly sketchy business in the past, so in case I'm right about his identity, here's a message: Make sure that what you spread is 100% accurate!

@Kuroaitou:

I'm especially curious about your input here. The inactive list always has at least 1 wolf (based on what I learned from the recent championship), and you would be too big of a threat if you were a silent mafia.

@List of less notable players:

To put this out of the way, yes, I had exams, yes, I spent some time playing Slitherio instead of catching up, but catching up also took me a while. I'm here now though, ready to join the game.

Speaking of others: I might be wrong but I didn't see Discord, d2d, math, Kuro, (UTA?), kdz, Cal, Rperson and godis speak much (including sky if we don't count the strawberry posts). I'd risk saying that at least 2 wolves are hiding here. And no, I'm not considering myself to be one.

[rob77dp]

• rob vs Link: now this is a double-edged sword. I didn't buy Link's story yet, but Link's story was intriguing enough to put rob with him on the w list. So far my w list contains more people who are less trustworthy than those who I would actually lynch.

Interesting, I'm not too experienced but this seems a new-ish way of doing a set of reads -- I always figure my read list as intended to be combined with others' and other information to generate a generally agreed upon POE group. Can that be done if players are doing different styles of lists? I suppose so but perhaps bears discussing...

Then to add something unique to the list:
My usual scumreading strategy works better if the mafia knows each other, so I had to look for other clues. For now, here are my suspicions and questions:

Hmmm, another thing here is to be aware that mafia might be forced to play and think differently than mafia normally do since the rules for them are quite different than typical games. I.e. - we should all consider Sub's employing adjusted strategies as something we could/should also do : adjusted scumhunting strategies for what is probably a game with adjusted scum-activity/clues.