Elements Mafia 59 - by RootRanger

[jippy99]

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In.

[rob77dp]

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[Calindu]

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[Demagog]

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inb4: Roll civ, night killed or lynched first. Or roll mafia and get ID'd first.

Also, the "lynch priority" seems broken. Might be better to make it randomly chosen between everyone tied. Potential strategy: split votes between two random people (or maybe more). One gets lynched, other lives. Next round the person that lived gets votes split between him/her and another random person. If the same person lives again, you can repeat or try one more time for further "verification." If a person survives 3 lynches in a row, there is a decent chance they are mafia. Obviously the items could mess with this strategy, but I'd say it's sound. In fact, I think the voting manipulation items make it worse for the mafia, as they won't do the mafia any good against this strat (they are going to live in the event of a tie anyway). Anyone that survives a lynch with this strategy is almost definitely of equal or lower priority than the person that died that round, so if an important "brotherhood" member is lynched this way, the remaining player is either an important brotherhood player or mafia. It's kind of difficult to rap my head around all of the ability interactions in this scenario, though... maybe the mafia can come up with a strategy to turn it into their advantage, but I think they are disadvantaged otherwise.

Also, if one or more mafia members randomly get the diary at the start of the game, it means they have a useless item. Not sure if that is something you want to happen or not. You could make it so that it always starts off with a civilian if you want, or you could make it so that the deceive ability also works on the diary.

Also, how does confiscate interact with item usage? Is the order of item usage dependent upon the order people PM the host, or are all items activated at the same time but in a specific order?

[dawn to dusk]

Spoiler for Hidden:

Spoiler for In:

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[Solaris]

Just a heads up that I had a namechange from MeowMeowCat -> Solaris. Don't want any mixups/confusions when it comes time to distribute roles.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

"All mafia correspondence among civilians must take place in this thread, with the exception of the use of the “Secret Note” item. Civilian players are not allowed to talk about mafia through private messages, Elements chat, titanpad, or any other means of communication."

impossible to police, but i loveit

Sadly doing to much, so NOT in, but will be observing

[RootRanger]

Also, the "lynch priority" seems broken. Might be better to make it randomly chosen between everyone tied. Potential strategy: split votes between two random people (or maybe more). One gets lynched, other lives. Next round the person that lived gets votes split between him/her and another random person. If the same person lives again, you can repeat or try one more time for further "verification." If a person survives 3 lynches in a row, there is a decent chance they are mafia. Obviously the items could mess with this strategy, but I'd say it's sound. In fact, I think the voting manipulation items make it worse for the mafia, as they won't do the mafia any good against this strat (they are going to live in the event of a tie anyway). Anyone that survives a lynch with this strategy is almost definitely of equal or lower priority than the person that died that round, so if an important "brotherhood" member is lynched this way, the remaining player is either an important brotherhood player or mafia. It's kind of difficult to rap my head around all of the ability interactions in this scenario, though... maybe the mafia can come up with a strategy to turn it into their advantage, but I think they are disadvantaged otherwise.

I'm not really concerned by this. If a lynch is between a civilian and a mafia, information that the surviving player is slightly more likely to be mafia is not nearly as useful as actually killing a mafia player. What you have in mind might be a valid strategy in early rounds, but by no means one t hat will dominate the game.

Also, if one or more mafia members randomly get the diary at the start of the game, it means they have a useless item. Not sure if that is something you want to happen or not. You could make it so that it always starts off with a civilian if you want, or you could make it so that the deceive ability also works on the diary.

The idea of the diary is that it transfers from civilian to civilian until it ends up in mafia hands, at which point it becomes a dead item and no new information is collected. It could end up in mafia hands on the 1st transfer, and be nearly useless, or transfer between 10 civilians and win the game for them. Since the item has a great deal of inherent RNG, I don't see a problem letting it start in mafia hands.

Also, how does confiscate interact with item usage? Is the order of item usage dependent upon the order people PM the host, or are all items activated at the same time but in a specific order?

Confiscate has priority over item usage. If both Confiscate and an item are used on the same night, the item is transferred and its effect fails. Players are made aware that their item was confiscated. Thank you for the question, this is something I should have specified initially.

[CrockettRocket]

in,
my only edited post after reading the rules... 
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[ddevans96]

Withdrawing. Have fun everyone.

[skyironsword]

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[Kuroaitou]

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