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Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1033245#msg1033245
« on: January 18, 2013, 06:16:58 am »
From some discussion in chat, me and a few users agree that we could use some more specific guides. Not something like "how to grind faster" or "how to gain money fast", but something along "how to make OTK decks" and such. Sometimes people are asking about specific questions, which while nice, are redundant. Aside from that, the fact that tutorial section is outdated (many old guides) and some members try to make unofficial tutorial (some of which are decent, while the rest are notoriously bad) also hints at the tutorial section needing some work.

So, here's my suggestion:
1. Change it to "Guides"
2. Appoint new staff to write guides and clean things up
3. The staff must also ensure that the guides are up-to-date in each patch

Discuss.
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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1033255#msg1033255
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 06:40:03 am »
I strongly agree with this suggestion - many of the tutorials in the newbie area are either outdated/redundant, with the few excellent ones stuck within their mix that need to be sorted out from the average ones.

Seeing as we have several noteworthy tutorial writers on this forum I think it would certainly help out newer players to have someone to maintain the section and write more creative guides.

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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1033314#msg1033314
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 01:32:06 pm »
From some discussion in chat, me and a few users agree that we could use some more specific guides. Not something like "how to grind faster" or "how to gain money fast", but something along "how to make OTK decks" and such. Sometimes people are asking about specific questions, which while nice, are redundant. Aside from that, the fact that tutorial section is outdated (many old guides) and some members try to make unofficial tutorial (some of which are decent, while the rest are notoriously bad) also hints at the tutorial section needing some work.

I second this.
Hope Zanzarino or any admin with it's proper rights see it. Although, anyone could write tutorials, not only staff members.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2013, 07:52:13 pm by Chapuz »
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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1033329#msg1033329
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 02:06:16 pm »
I'm not sure this merits a staff position. Anyone is able to write a new tutorial or even update an existing one. Imo, if you want more tutorials/guides, write them!

As far as renaming the section "Guides", what is the advantage of calling it Guides instead of Tutorials?

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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1033463#msg1033463
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 07:49:33 pm »
Guides as a section sounds weird. Tutorials fits better.

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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1033779#msg1033779
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2013, 11:08:25 pm »
+1 for a more "open" section, specific guides/tutorials should definitley be included because of Absol's argument. That doesn't need any work at all, just move the worthy and non-redundant tutorials into there.
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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1033786#msg1033786
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2013, 11:26:58 pm »
For the staff position -- Let's not forget that some guides can last for quite a bit and then become outdated, as is the case with many tutorials we have now. The Original Poster of these tutorials may have been gone by then, in which case people will continue to refer to that tutorial, which is outdated but never updated.

So, while a relaxed staff position, a tutorial staff position wouldn't be bad. Nothing big, and more than likely only one person would be able to do it, but I guess it'd work. Specially to say which guide is outdated/keep guides up to date and / or clean. Not a staff to write them guides, just to keep them in the right place.

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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1033787#msg1033787
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 11:29:09 pm »
We don't even need that, we just need some people who send by PM or anything the tutorials for the admins and if it's worthy the admins can just move the threads.

If the admins say they have too much work or not enough time, then 1-2 people for Tutorial Staff would be a good option. I would apply for it ;)
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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1034016#msg1034016
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2013, 10:25:40 pm »
I suggest 4 different sections:
Tips (collections of advice such as the money-making guide)
Walkthroughs (guides that tell how to play the game to end up at a good point from the start)
Specialized (guides for doing specific things such as Chapuz's OTK guide)
Miscellaneous (guides that don't fit into any of the above categories)

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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1034055#msg1034055
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 12:41:13 am »
Links in

I suggest 4 different sections:
Tips (collections of advice such as the money-making guide)

Money Management
9 Tips for Better Deck Building
Deckbuilding 101: From Noob to False God Slayer <-- Outdated imo, but there can be done a redux with the decks there are in the feedback.
Which Rare Weapon Should I Pick as a Reward?
What the cards don't tell you...
5 things every Elements player should know
Deck Archetypes and Deck-building Guide


Walkthroughs (guides that tell how to play the game to end up at a good point from the start)

1.29 Newbie Tutorial: Becoming Rich the Fun Way
Game Mechanics (i.e. The Expanded Rules)
Speedrunning Elements <-- If Absol updates it, 1.32 killed Instosis


Specialized

OTK Deckbuilding Guide <-- I can pass the Wiki article to forum code or make an intro and give the link to it.
Tutorial Strategies and Synergies
[guide] [collection] FFQ Decks
How to Prepare for a Tournament
The Way of Fractal
The Path to Victory: A Tournament Primer <-- Forum Expert Submition #1. Must see if it's better than Dragoon's one. Only one of those should be picked, as we don't want redundant tutorials. Must see who wrote it and paste it to a separated thread.
Success in the CIA (Card Ideas & Art) <-- Forum Expert Submition #5 Must see who wrote it and paste it to a separated thread.
How to Succeed in Arena <-- Forum Expert Submition #4 Must see who wrote it and paste it to a separated thread.
A bit of game theory behind rush decks
Theory behind stall decks


Miscellaneous (guides that don't fit into any of the above categories)

Foruming 101: How to make your way to the Elements Community
How to make a donation to Elements.
How to build a deck image using only deck import code (no screenshots needed)
Overview of the Elements <-- Just an intro and the link to the Wiki article.


and a main board where guides can be submitted.

Elements Videos - For the Newbs! <----- Outdated. Already PMd Annele to see if she finished hers.

I like how it gets. The one I put here are just the ones that are actually in the Tutorials section, the ones I remember and the 2 worthy ones of the Brawl #1.
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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1034073#msg1034073
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 02:30:49 am »
You forget Catatitans and FFQ Decks.
But yeah, that's what i mean.
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Re: Reform the Tutorials section https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46083.msg1038492#msg1038492
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2013, 05:59:00 pm »
You forget Catatitans and FFQ Decks.
But yeah, that's what i mean.
Adding FFQ guide.
Is This the catatitans you were talking?

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