KOTH (slowly finding the best T50 deck)

[jmdt]

I went bacj and checked the numbers, and based on your current system, V2 fire rush beat shrieker rush in game 3 by a nose.

Ahem... I went back and checked 

13.8273 for shrieker rush
14.1676 for lava rush.

I DECLARE THE WINNER TO BE FIRE!

A matchup between v2 and vNG is needed

actually i'm not sure that V2 would have won against shrieker.... since i would still have to do the adjustment for long games.  (by turning some wins into losses)
but for some reason i can't find that one spreadsheet so i can't give the adjusted numbers.

therefore... who knows who would have won   ???

As with my ttw study long games are part if the deal and you just deal with them in the stats.  A long win is always better than a quick loss, especially when testing a decks potential.  Showing long games reveals how the deck deals with adversity.  Some do well, others not so much.

[SickPillow]

What is the next deck on your list?

i think i'm doing yours next..

right now the order is:
1. $$$man
2. Steel golem / Shrieker
3. DEMA

the shrieker one was supposed to be first, but i don't feel like doing another shrieker already.

[SickPillow]

I went bacj and checked the numbers, and based on your current system, V2 fire rush beat shrieker rush in game 3 by a nose.

Ahem... I went back and checked 

13.8273 for shrieker rush
14.1676 for lava rush.

I DECLARE THE WINNER TO BE FIRE!

A matchup between v2 and vNG is needed

actually i'm not sure that V2 would have won against shrieker.... since i would still have to do the adjustment for long games.  (by turning some wins into losses)
but for some reason i can't find that one spreadsheet so i can't give the adjusted numbers.

therefore... who knows who would have won   ???

As with my ttw study long games are part if the deal and you just deal with them in the stats.  A long win is always better than a quick loss, especially when testing a decks potential.  Showing long games reveals how the deck deals with adversity.  Some do well, others not so much.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with the need for "long game adjustment" or not.  hehe

Just as you say, long games reveal how a deck deals with adversity.  And just for that reason is why i do "long game adjustments" to find the final Win/TTW score, because i don't want a deck to penalized for winning a game instead of losing.
The deck doesn't gains anything by having won the game in lots of turns, which is stupid because that should really be a positive...  but at least it is no longer being penalized for it.

I always still show the original win/loss record.  the adjustment only happens to get the final win/ttw score.

[Wardead]

No one ever is gonna use Adrena-Frog deck?

[jmdt]

No one ever is gonna use Adrena-Frog deck?

I can post mine if you really like; its the fastest life rush out there.  Its almost equal in speed to the shrieker rush.  I use it from time to time versus T50 when I'm feeling green.

Frogs, and Epi's, and Swords, Oh My!!! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11285.0.html)

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[SickPillow]

I have a pretty boss deck for you to test.  DEMA: Destroy 'EM All! V2.1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12700.0.html) is basicly an uber fast EMing version or no land stompy that completely dominates against AI3.  Napalm and I have quite a bit of success against T50 with it, so its work a look by you.  I realize they are nonfactors atm, but when you test it keep track of the EM's, score ad electrum.  I'm curious how well this does as an EM deck versus T50.

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i tried this deck out a bit..  it does seem pretty awesome   
can't wait to see how it does.

[~Napalm]

Oh it'll do awesomely. BTW, I'm assuming you're vsing vNG (my deck) with the rest now?

on a side note, I expect DEMA to be just like v2. Those 2 explosions, while looking mighty wimpy, make a huge difference. I've been t50ing with DEMA for about 50 wins now, permafrost spells trouble with a capital T, that 1 Aether deck (stupid hacker...) destroys it every time, and on a bad hand (seemingly more often than vNG, probably biased ), the timebows get their stall up too fast with no way of stopping it. Also, MP's have saved me in a lot more matches than I care to admit. They just don't die

Although, 55 score is a nice plus when vsing test decks or biting farms

[SickPillow]

Oh it'll do awesomely. BTW, I'm assuming you're vsing vNG (my deck) with the rest now?

on a side note, I expect DEMA to be just like v2. Those 2 explosions, while looking mighty wimpy, make a huge difference. I've been t50ing with DEMA for about 50 wins now, permafrost spells trouble with a capital T, that 1 Aether deck (stupid hacker...) destroys it every time, and on a bad hand (seemingly more often than vNG, probably biased ), the timebows get their stall up too fast with no way of stopping it. Also, MP's have saved me in a lot more matches than I care to admit. They just don't die

Although, 55 score is a nice plus when vsing test decks or biting farms

yup, your deck is now king, so any challengers go up against your deck now.

oh yea, the hacker deck is the one that gave shrieker deck multiple losses in the last matchup   
it is a quite annoying deck; terrible for rushes.

and i wanted to answer the other question you asked before about why shrieker is still being listed as #1 in my "subjective listing"...  Well its because i don't have enough data on your deck yet.  I know how good the shrieker deck is since i've played a million games with it.  Your deck is already the king deck, and if it wins some more matchups then i might be more convinced that it should be at the top spot.  So basically, if it keeps doing awesome and puts up nice win percentages, then i will move it into the #1 spot.

[geekz_always_win]

I have a pretty boss deck for you to test.  DEMA: Destroy 'EM All! V2.1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12700.0.html) is basicly an uber fast EMing version or no land stompy that completely dominates against AI3.  Napalm and I have quite a bit of success against T50 with it, so its work a look by you.  I realize they are nonfactors atm, but when you test it keep track of the EM's, score ad electrum.  I'm curious how well this does as an EM deck versus T50.

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Perhaps one more Graboid and minus one Vamp Dagger/Phoenix?

[willng3]

I have a pretty boss deck for you to test.  DEMA: Destroy 'EM All! V2.1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12700.0.html) is basicly an uber fast EMing version or no land stompy that completely dominates against AI3.  Napalm and I have quite a bit of success against T50 with it, so its work a look by you.  I realize they are nonfactors atm, but when you test it keep track of the EM's, score ad electrum.  I'm curious how well this does as an EM deck versus T50.

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Perhaps one more Graboid and minus one Vamp Dagger/Phoenix?

This isn't the place for you to suggest deck modifications.  Go here for that:  http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12700.0.html

[~Napalm]

Oh it'll do awesomely. BTW, I'm assuming you're vsing vNG (my deck) with the rest now?

on a side note, I expect DEMA to be just like v2. Those 2 explosions, while looking mighty wimpy, make a huge difference. I've been t50ing with DEMA for about 50 wins now, permafrost spells trouble with a capital T, that 1 Aether deck (stupid hacker...) destroys it every time, and on a bad hand (seemingly more often than vNG, probably biased ), the timebows get their stall up too fast with no way of stopping it. Also, MP's have saved me in a lot more matches than I care to admit. They just don't die

Although, 55 score is a nice plus when vsing test decks or biting farms

yup, your deck is now king, so any challengers go up against your deck now.

oh yea, the hacker deck is the one that gave shrieker deck multiple losses in the last matchup   
it is a quite annoying deck; terrible for rushes.

and i wanted to answer the other question you asked before about why shrieker is still being listed as #1 in my "subjective listing"...  Well its because i don't have enough data on your deck yet.  I know how good the shrieker deck is since i've played a million games with it.  Your deck is already the king deck, and if it wins some more matchups then i might be more convinced that it should be at the top spot.  So basically, if it keeps doing awesome and puts up nice win percentages, then i will move it into the #1 spot.

Makes sense. I can assure you that it will continue to be awesome, but I cannot assure you that it will win every matchup 

PS. Anything wrong with either A) deleting parts of quotes that you don't really want to quote, B) putting them in a spoiler to appear nicer?

[Higurashi]

For quote towers, spoilers are a must. For quoting parts, you may use (...) to denote there was something said before or after the quote. It's the preferred method in literature.