Tired Treant | Tired Treant

[Marsu]

@artimies7: Tired Treants skill is passive, lobotomizing it does not have an effect, just like a lobotomized Devourer still drains quantum. Good question though, would have been a possible abuse.
@Helston: It is as you say, basically. Either a Fractal deck (Which I don't like, but can't circumvent) or in a Life rush.
To lay it on the line, this does not fill holes in Lifes arsenal of creatures and is not what will make mono Life en par with the stronger Elements at the moment.
However, I love the mechanic in combination with the thematic background and find it to be neither up nor op, so that it can contribute to extend the varities of decks available.
If I'm interpreting Zanzarinos patches correctly (What holes does Dry Spell fill? I still like the addition of this card.), this is desirable.

[Fippe94]

I can see it being used instead of some pillars in a deck to increase your damage in early game.

If you see it as a creature, it's kinda weak since it dies after one turn. However, if you see it as an alternative to a pillar/tower, it's great as it gives you damage.

[Rutarete]

Do you have any thoughts as to when it'd be used?

I'd use this to help trios, running it off the mark and later fueling a bigger part of the deck, or just have it to strengthen the color balance.

[Marsu]

I have consulted a few succesfull PvP players and everyone agreed that a Tired Treant Fractal wouldn't be op. I'm quite content with this so far.

[ggabriel2]

This is quite a cool mechanic and it doesn't seem terribly OP. I'm not sure I love it as a card, though, it seems like it would get more play if it were reworked for a slower and more quanta-hungry element. would love a card that worked like this (some kind of dying golem or machine?) A version would be off the chain if it triggered death effects, it would be pretty much everything decks really want.

[furballdn]

I like the idea, but I can't see any use for it aside from a fractal combo

This. Without fractal, this is basically just a powerful lightning aimed at the opponent that starts to generate quanta after a while. While I like the idea of it helping to support trios and other decks, it would take too long for that to be very efficient, and better to use other ways of quanta generation instead of a powerful Life Bolt.

[Marsu]

This. Without fractal, this is basically just a powerful lightning aimed at the opponent that starts to generate quanta after a while. While I like the idea of it helping to support trios and other decks, it would take too long for that to be very efficient, and better to use other ways of quanta generation instead of a powerful Life Bolt.

Thanks for your answer!

I do have to admit one thing: For me, a good card fits the games thematical background in general and the specific elements thematical background in specific and is not OP - that's it. I never understood why a card had to "fill holes" or change the meta. This one definetly doesn't do one of those two things, I'll admit that.
However, I can't say it's weak. Let's compare it to creatures like Damselfly and Gnomerider who regularly get played (unupped even, Damselfly's arguably op upped anyway).
Damselfly unupped: Cost of 1, 1 Dmg per turn, 1 Quantum per turn. Dies in very many matches to an AoE, an Otyugh or something that doesn't have any drawback for your opponent. Also stops producing quantum then. It's still not UP and Tired Treant can easily keep up with that.

I personally see three rough usages for TT.

1) Fractal. This is unintended, but I can't avoid it. Not innovative, but not op either.
2) Mono Life. Less Pillars in Deck, more of these guys, same quanta. Would be a small buff for mono Life rushes, without being able tp bring them to T1 of this meta of course though.
3) Multi-coloured decks. Only a Life Mark can easily fuel 6 of these. Same for some novae even. Would make some very interesting combinations possible.

[furballdn]

Thanks for your appreciative and nicely thought of reply! Seeing well worded posts like these make me want to give my input more often.

I do have to admit one thing: For me, a good card fits the games thematical background in general and the specific elements thematical background in specific and is not OP - that's it. I never understood why a card had to "fill holes" or change the meta.

Correct. I agree with you in that a good card is balanced as well as thematic, (and sometimes doesn't have to bring anything new), but my main problem with this as it is is that it feels very forced with fractal. The idea of turning into pillars is nice, but having it turn instantly makes it essentially just a powerful spell that deals damage instead of what it is: a creature.

I can't say it's weak.

Neither do I. I didn't say it's weak, I just felt it was inefficient and contrived to be put together with fractal.

I personally see three rough usages for TT.

1) Fractal. This is unintended, but I can't avoid it. Not innovative, but not op either.
2) Mono Life. Less Pillars in Deck, more of these guys, same quanta. Would be a small buff for mono Life rushes, without being able tp bring them to T1 of this meta of course though.
3) Multi-coloured decks. Only a Life Mark can easily fuel 6 of these. Same for some novae even. Would make some very interesting combinations possible.

1. Yes, it's a shame that fractal makes building lots of card ideas difficult. Turning into a pillar is a nice idea, but instantly makes it hard to be flexible. Perhaps make it after a certain number of turns, when the creature dies, or randomly every turn.
2. Mmyes. It does change up the meta of mono life a bit, it's creative, but I feel that this innovation is mild enough that it's not useless but neither is it completely meta-shifting. That might have been your intention, but something that just is "there" and doesn't do too much just feels weird.
3. Good point about the nova. I forgot about that card, and you're right, nova does bring some interesting twists with this.

In conclusion, I find that its ability forces it to be a bit contrived. An instant damage+pillar card just feels sort of awkward. I still say that having it ossify, perhaps later, would be a better choice.

[Marsu]

I wouldn't do this normally, but this card did not make it to the Crucible last time only because the polls were resetted for a single minor formal mistake with one card (It was leading with quite an advance) - so I'll take the liberty and up this.
If you voted for this last time and still like it, please vote again.

[artimies7]

Hey, late thought. If the game can mark the Emerald pillars that this creates somehow and you can use Reverse Time on them, can they turn back into a Tired Treant or another, similar creature? An Energetic Treant, perhaps? Would theoretically have the same stats, but not the passive ability.

[Pyrodinium]

I like the LOTR reference.

Anyways, when Tired Treant gets affected by Aflatoxin when it was played, would it generate a Malignant Cell upon conversion into a Pillar/Tower?

[Marsu]

I like the LOTR reference.

Anyways, when Tired Treant gets affected by Aflatoxin when it was played, would it generate a Malignant Cell upon conversion into a Pillar/Tower?

No. It doesn't die, which is why it also does not trigger death effects.
Thanks for your kind words. :p