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Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg440763#msg440763
« on: December 20, 2011, 03:56:34 pm »


NAME:
Purifying Fire
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
2 :fire
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Remove all status ailments from target creature.
NAME:
Purifying Fire
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
1 :fire
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Remove all status ailments from target creature.
ART:
Src (http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=1087883)
IDEA:
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NOTES:
People always insist upon the destructive forces and power of fire. But I've always wanted to show the other side of fire. Fire as a healer, as a purifier. I've tossed around a hundred different ideas(you should see my card stores) but coudln't find something I liked. Then I thought of this. And frankly, I hate myself and feel like an idiot for not thinking of something this simple before.
Fact is the game needs something to counter ailments. and thus I present.

Counters:
Poison
Frozen
Delay

Aflatoxin
Vampirism
(Possibly)Reverse Mutation

Theres a bit of discretion on what "negative status effects" are. Looking into that a bit more.

I need help deciding if this should be a "Reset monster" card.(Removes beneficial effects as well.)
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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg440864#msg440864
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 08:06:33 pm »
Doesn't really fit the theme of fire as fire is about destruction and burning. Perhaps make it so that the purified creature takes one damage or something. After purifying it gains +1|-1. That could fit in the theme of glass cannons for :fire.

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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg440952#msg440952
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 10:56:19 pm »
No no no, that's just it.
Thematicly it completes fire.

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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg440967#msg440967
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 11:21:40 pm »
No no no, that's just it.
Thematicly it completes fire.

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If it fits Fire, please explain how. (Also explain why the fire doesn't burn)

I see fire as being characterized by Destruction. The current anti-CC that fire has (Phoenix) utilizes creative destruction. Purifying Flame does remove status effect but it does not do so in a destructive manner. Hence I feel the card fits a less destructive element.
Holy Purification or Purifying Water seem to fit the mechanic better.

Note:
Antimatter, Vampire and Mutation are not statuses.

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Infection, Freeze, Delay, Alfatoxin, Gravity Pull, Immaterial, Momentum and Adrenaline
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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg440985#msg440985
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 11:46:34 pm »
Thats where I'm tryign to get at.
I feel that elements leaves fire thematically incomplete.
Elements has been known clasically as the grand purifier.
"it has the power to both destroy and renew. However, fire’s power to destroy is often seen as a means to rebirth at a higher level. It is a symbol of purification and regeneration" (http://www.feng-shui-and-beyond.com/fire-element.html)

Fire represents the creativity and passion that all intellectual and emotional beings have. It is an active force that has the passion to create and animate things. The element is also very rational and quick to flare up as is the personality of many fire-children.
Fire in many ancient cultures and myths has been known to purify the land with the flames of destruction, however, it is also capable of the renewal of life through the warmth and comfort of those very same flames. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_(classical_element))

Fire is a purifying, masculine energy, associated with the South, and connected to strong will and energy. Fire both creates and destroys, and symbolizes the fertility of the God. Fire can heal or harm, and can bring about new life or destroy the old and worn (http://paganwiccan.about.com/od/wiccaandpaganismbasics/a/elements.htm)

Point in case: fire both creates and destroys. Harms and heals. Scourages and purifys.

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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg440996#msg440996
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 12:03:58 am »
Thats where I'm tryign to get at.
I feel that elements leaves fire thematically incomplete.
Elements has been known clasically as the grand purifier.

-good sources of the classical fire-

Point in case: fire both creates and destroys. Harms and heals. Scourages and purifys.
1) Element systems take everything that is and divides it among a finite number of elements. The smaller the number the broader the elements and vice versa. Classical fire was usually part of a 4 or 5 element division. EtG has 12 elements so some of the classical fire was divided out as parts of Light and Entropy.

2) "Harm and heal" does sound more like fire than the "just heal" card in the OP.

3) Classical Fire changes and destroys. I would not use the word create which was more in the domain of classical Earth.
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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg441002#msg441002
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 12:22:09 am »
Theme bashing aside.
Does the card work?
Is it correct in cost/ability?
Should this reset the card?(remove buffs and debuffs)
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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg441011#msg441011
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 12:28:13 am »
Theme bashing aside.Discussing the thematic component of the suggestion aside
Does the card work?yes
Is it correct in cost/ability?yes, especially so with Chimera
Should this reset the card?(remove buffs and debuffs)Stat changes are not statuses.
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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg441014#msg441014
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 12:35:51 am »
Should it remove all statuses, or just the negative ones.
IF it removes everything, should it be able to target immaterial?(Personally I'm against this)

On a side note, I guess I worded that badly, wasn't meaning stat changes when I said buffs/debuffs.

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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg441018#msg441018
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2011, 12:49:07 am »
Should it remove all statuses, or just the negative ones.
IF it removes everything, should it be able to target immaterial?(Personally I'm against this)

On a side note, I guess I worded that badly, wasn't meaning stat changes when I said buffs/debuffs.

And is it just me or is the card design area very slow lately? I only see a few people floating around the topics.
Immaterial cannot be targeted. It was only listed for completeness.

I think both versions (removing all or removing only negative) would be valuable but not together. I lean in favor to the remove all option so it can be used as a debuff.

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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg441030#msg441030
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 01:17:18 am »
I think both versions (removing all or removing only negative) would be valuable but not together. I lean in favor to the remove all option so it can be used as a debuff.
Perhaps the unupped removes all, the upped removes only the negative?

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Re: Purifying Fire | Purifying Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34973.msg441032#msg441032
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2011, 01:20:08 am »
I think both versions (removing all or removing only negative) would be valuable but not together. I lean in favor to the remove all option so it can be used as a debuff.
Perhaps the unupped removes all, the upped removes only the negative?
That would be a good idea pending more feedback in the crucible and beyond.

(I still feel the fire should burn or have the element changed)
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