Mountain Lion | Mountain King

[EarthElement]

NAME: Mountain Lion ELEMENT: Earth COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 3|3 TEXT: : Stone Scratch Deal 2 damage to the target creature.	NAME: Mountain King ELEMENT: Earth COST: 6 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 6|6 TEXT: : Stone Scratch Deal 2 damage to the target creature.

ART: EarthElement IDEA: EarthElement NOTES: I think this card can be usually for Earth. And with this card we could see more decks from earth but not rush decks etc. SERIES:

 It's my first card but tell me the truth in your opinions. 
 PS: Sorry for my bad english. 

[Ryli]

Wht do you mean it creates non-rush decks. This is just as rushy as a steel golem, with a recurring CC ability. Either it's stats are too high, or the ability inflicts too much damage, or possibly even both.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Woah... this is a bit more OP than you think.  1-hits just about every unupped rusher (and possibly a few unupped as well). 2 hits... well, let's not go there.  Definitley increase the cost.  Also Upped is much more OP than unupped due to the major stat buff and lowering of abilty cost.  Either raise the stats or lower the abilty cost, but don't do both.

[EarthElement]

Wht do you mean it creates non-rush decks. This is just as rushy as a steel golem, with a recurring CC ability. Either it's stats are too high, or the ability inflicts too much damage, or possibly even both.

Hmm... Meybe You right it's too good but it can be changed.
What changes you think will be the best?

Ok, i do some changes...
Look at text and tell me how it looks now?

[cookiepirate]

Wht do you mean it creates non-rush decks. This is just as rushy as a steel golem, with a recurring CC ability. Either it's stats are too high, or the ability inflicts too much damage, or possibly even both.

Hmm... Meybe You right it's too good but it can be changed.
What changes you think will be the best?

Ok, i do some changes...
Look at text and tell me how it looks now?

you went a little over there
its UP now

maybe make unuped cost 4 and uped cost 5

[ZephyrPhantom]

Wht do you mean it creates non-rush decks. This is just as rushy as a steel golem, with a recurring CC ability. Either it's stats are too high, or the ability inflicts too much damage, or possibly even both.

Hmm... Meybe You right it's too good but it can be changed.
What changes you think will be the best?

Ok, i do some changes...
Look at text and tell me how it looks now?

Using thisCard Design Chart (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16655.0.html), I calculated the values.  Since stone scratch isn't an ingame ability, this may be slightly incccurate.
In general formula works like this:
Creature Value [ie Casting Cost] = Attack + Skill Value + HP modifier + Elemental bonus  (Special thanks to phantom fox)


Unupped Values
HP: 0 (1-5HP)
Skill/Ability: 3 (powerful creature control, doesn't one hit all creatures but still deadly.) -1 expensive = 2
Attack: 3
Ele Bonus : Doesn't affect creature.
Calculated Cost: 5

Upped Values (-1 Value bonus)
HP: 1 (6-7HP)  -1 from ele bonus (1-6 for  ) = 0
Skill/Ability: 3 - 1 expensive = 2
Attack: 3
Ele Bonus :  elemental creature technically can have 1 more HP.
So new equation would be
1 (6-7HP)  -1 from ele bonus (1-6 for  ) = 0
Calculated Cost:  5
With ele bonus:4


UP now but good nerfing though.

[EarthElement]

What do you think about that hmm..?
Ability change to 2 damages and att|def unupped 3|3, upped 6|6 and cost unupped 5, upped 6

[ZephyrPhantom]

What do you think about that hmm..?
Ability change to 2 damages and att|def unupped 3|3, upped 6|6 and cost unupped 5, upped 6

Then ...

Unupped Values
HP: 0 (1-5HP)
Skill/Ability: 2 (Balanced CC) -1 expensive = 1
Attack: 3
Ele Bonus : Doesn't affect creature.
Calculated Cost: 4

Upped Values (-1 Value bonus)
HP: 1 (6-7HP)
Skill/Ability: 2 - 1 expensive = 1
Attack: 6
Ele Bonus :  elemental creature technically can have 1 more HP.
So new equation would be
1 (6-7HP)  -1 from ele bonus (1-6 for  ) = 0
Calculated Cost:  7
With ele bonus: 6

Unupped just needs slight quanta cost adjustment. Leave upped alone, it's balanced.

[OldTrees]

Ninja'd hard by Zblader.
Great Analysis.
I agree that a 2 damage skill should be worth around +2 quanta when on a creature.

Name:
I think that Mountain Lion would fit the art and coloration better than a Tiger

Elemental Loyalty:
Seems appropriate with Pulverizer in te same element.

[EarthElement]

What do you think about that hmm..?
Ability change to 2 damages and att|def unupped 3|3, upped 6|6 and cost unupped 5, upped 6

Then ...

Unupped Values
HP: 0 (1-5HP)
Skill/Ability: 2 (Balanced CC) -1 expensive = 1
Attack: 3
Ele Bonus : Doesn't affect creature.
Calculated Cost: 4

Upped Values (-1 Value bonus)
HP: 1 (6-7HP)
Skill/Ability: 2 - 1 expensive = 1
Attack: 6
Ele Bonus :  elemental creature technically can have 1 more HP.
So new equation would be
1 (6-7HP)  -1 from ele bonus (1-6 for  ) = 0
Calculated Cost:  7
With ele bonus: 6

Unupped just needs slight quanta cost adjustment. Leave upped alone, it's balanced.

Hmm... It's hard to understand this... Heh, i'm newbie and i don't speak english very well. Do you can explain me this why you calculate like that?
Something like instructions for childrens. 

[ZephyrPhantom]

Ninja'd hard by Zblader.
Great Analysis.
I agree that a 2 damage skill should be worth around +2 quanta when on a creature.

Name:
I think that Mountain Lion would fit the art and coloration better than a Tiger

Elemental Loyalty:
Seems appropriate with Pulverizer in te same element.

I ninja'd someone on a forum for the first time ever.  YAY!  And thanks Oldtrees, it wouldn't have been possible without you article .

Earthelement, if look at my first post with the calculations you'll find a link to a Card Design article that gives you the basics.
Here it is again :
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16655.0.html

[EarthElement]

Ninja'd hard by Zblader.
Great Analysis.
I agree that a 2 damage skill should be worth around +2 quanta when on a creature.

Name:
I think that Mountain Lion would fit the art and coloration better than a Tiger

Elemental Loyalty:
Seems appropriate with Pulverizer in te same element.

Great idea with name, thanks. 

But do you can explain me better that : "I agree that a 2 damage skill should be worth around +2 quanta when on a creature." ?